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Murphiroth
07/03/22 9:49:09 PM
#102:


TyVulpine posted...
When you shoot a gun at police, run away while wearing a mask and then turn around towards the cops, there's no such thing as "firing an excessive number of times". Stop trying to deflect the guilt away from the suspect. The police acted appropriately.

You can probably get that boot even deeper down your throat if you really try.

The dude getting shot is one thing, but 90 shots with 30 of them missing that could have hit literally anyone else? Yeah, that's negligence and overkill. But you know that.
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TyVulpine
07/03/22 9:50:47 PM
#103:


uwnim posted...
No they did not. Like seriously, all firing that many shots does is increase the risk that someone besides the suspect gets shot. It doesn't meaningfully increase the chance of hitting the suspect and so is wasteful and dangerous.
They're trained to fire until the target is neutralized.
But I'll bet you'll also say the suspect traveling at speeds of 50 MPH through residential neighborhoods (where children could have been struck) is also the police's fault.....no matter the evidence presented before you, you ignore it and keep ranting about how the police were "excessive". SMH

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Homeless_Waifu
07/03/22 9:50:48 PM
#104:


PoundGarden posted...
"Quick! He's running as fast as he can away from us! Shoot him before he circles the globe and shoots us in the back!"
What people need to understand is that the moment you physically attempt to harm another person, be it a bystander or a police officer...
You have the intention to harm anyone who gets in your way, therefore the use of force is legally applicable in your attempt to evade law enforcement.

You simply become public enemy #1 the moment you display to the local law enforcement officers that no amount of reasonable reasoning can stop you from potentially harming people.

This guy who got shot definitely wasn't innocent, he had the intention to do whatever he could to get away hence panic firing during his high-speed pursuit with the police. While no police officers where technically hurt, he still had the potential to hurt people including himself, especially if lost control of his vehicle during the pursuit (common tragedies that occur among high-speed wreckless driving pursuits)

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TyVulpine
07/03/22 9:51:29 PM
#105:


Murphiroth posted...
You can probably get that boot even deeper down your throat if you really try.

The dude getting shot is one thing, but 90 shots with 30 of them missing that could have hit literally anyone else? Yeah, that's negligence and overkill. But you know that.
You guys are one-trick ponies with that boot bullshit. Try having an actual argument instead of lame insults.

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Malcrasternus
07/03/22 9:52:23 PM
#106:


Debates are hard to come by on this site.

Arguments you have to actively try to avoid tripping over here.

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Murphiroth
07/03/22 9:55:40 PM
#107:


TyVulpine posted...
You guys are one-trick ponies with that boot bullshit. Try having an actual argument instead of lame insults.

It's not an insult, it's a statement of fact tbqh. Bootlickers gonna bootlick.

If you'd bothered to read my post you'd see I implied the guy getting shot is his own fault, it's the 90 shots I'm skeptical of. But keep on with your melty.
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dioxxys
07/03/22 9:57:56 PM
#109:


I only read the part about them shooting a black man running away 60 times and I was instantly mad.

But I changed my perspective on this seeing as he actually shot at the cops first.

I did think it was odd how he needed to be shot 60 times? Like what is this Robocop?
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SwayM
07/03/22 10:01:44 PM
#110:


Murphiroth posted...
It's not an insult, it's a statement of fact tbqh. Bootlickers gonna bootlick.

If you'd bothered to read my post you'd see I implied the guy getting shot is his own fault, it's the 90 shots I'm skeptical of. But keep on with your melty.

if you could only hear how you sound.


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uwnim
07/03/22 10:02:17 PM
#111:


TyVulpine posted...
They're trained to fire until the target is neutralized.
But I'll bet you'll also say the suspect traveling at speeds of 50 MPH through residential neighborhoods (where children could have been struck) is also the police's fault.....no matter the evidence presented before you, you ignore it and keep ranting about how the police were "excessive". SMH
No, the police have no fucking control over the suspects actions, don't try to put stupid words into my mouth. They do have control over their own actions though. Like seriously, how do you not understand that this leads to bad habits that increase the risk of hurting or killing innocent people. The strategy of point the gun in the suspect's general direction and pull the trigger a bunch of times while running around(possibly into the line of fire of your fellow officers) is just a bad strategy that is wasteful and dangerous.

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Malcrasternus
07/03/22 10:03:01 PM
#112:


All 13 bodycams of the shooting edited together in a very strange way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yY5DrwJn6o

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Homeless_Waifu
07/03/22 10:03:56 PM
#113:


dioxxys posted...
I only read the part about them shooting a black man running away 60 times and I was instantly mad.

But I changed my perspective on this seeing as he actually shot at the cops first.

I did think it was odd how he needed to be shot 60 times? Like what is this Robocop?

Well...
The incident happened at night.
Visibility is already low and they have a unpredictable individual who previously fired at them.
They simply didn't know what he was going to lead them to and they did whatever they could to stop him before it leads other variables.

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TyVulpine
07/03/22 10:08:56 PM
#117:


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How about no.

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Darkprince21
07/03/22 10:09:27 PM
#118:


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People really believe this. If this was true, then police involved shootings wouldn't represent not even a quarter of a PERCENT of the 150 million average police interactions a year. Police shootings even in recent years have stabilized around the same percentage.. While interesting to note, the number of people killing police officers has raised every year, and this is on pace if not already the highest recorded year of homicides against police(yes this number is low as well)
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Darkprince21
07/03/22 10:11:00 PM
#120:


Crazy how facts work
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Murphiroth
07/03/22 10:11:03 PM
#121:


SwayM posted...
if you could only hear how you sound.

I said it out loud, I sound pretty rad, then again I've always been told I have a great voice.
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TyVulpine
07/03/22 10:11:51 PM
#122:


uwnim posted...
No, the police have no fucking control over the suspects actions, don't try to put stupid words into my mouth. They do have control over their own actions though. Like seriously, how do you not understand that this leads to bad habits that increase the risk of hurting or killing innocent people. The strategy of point the gun in the suspect's general direction and pull the trigger a bunch of times while running around(possibly into the line of fire of your fellow officers) is just a bad strategy that is wasteful and dangerous.
So again, in your view it doesnt matter what the suspect did, but those mean cops fired 90 times! They could have shot someone!
Your ACAB mentality is blatant.

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Ruvan22
07/03/22 10:24:50 PM
#123:


Flauros posted...
That average salary is fucking whack too.

Okay so if everybody's salary is too low, the statement "police salary is low" doesn't really mean much, right? It's like say German shepherd have four legs.. when all dogs have four legs...
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STEROLIZER
07/03/22 10:25:46 PM
#124:


Defund

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Guide
07/03/22 10:36:27 PM
#125:


If he had a gun, yeah, I would shoot too. Whether he was armed or not makes a massive difference in this case.

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Malcrasternus
07/03/22 10:41:50 PM
#126:


Guide posted...
If he had a gun, yeah, I would shoot too. Whether he was armed or not makes a massive difference in this case.

Well, there was a gun in the car, we could clearly hear a gunshot during the vehicle pursuit, they tried tasers.

*shrug*

What does strike me as odd though is that the gun had the magazine next to it, and what looks like a spent pistol casing along with it, in the driver's seat. Why remove the mag at all if you're just going to bail and run without it?

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/03/22 10:43:15 PM
#127:


TyVulpine posted...

This always amuses me. People that think we don't need police are usually the first to call police when they need them....


And the police don't show up when they are needed anyway. So if anything it's the same effect, except this time tax dollars aren't wasted.
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Kloe_Rinz
07/03/22 10:49:57 PM
#128:


The guy shouldnt have ran, but the cops should have chased him instead of shooting. Theres nothing that can justify these cops actions
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Perthboy
07/03/22 10:54:12 PM
#129:


So when cop don't shoot, they're cowards and when they do shoot they're evil. Hmmm something doesn't quite add up here.

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Kingbuffet
07/03/22 10:54:48 PM
#130:


And why not? Its their dream to shoot people, even better - no judge will ever punish them. Like people say; American Law Enforcement is the biggest gang in the world

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Unsuprised_Pika
07/03/22 10:57:42 PM
#131:


TyVulpine posted...
They're trained to fire until the target is neutralized.
But I'll bet you'll also say the suspect traveling at speeds of 50 MPH through residential neighborhoods (where children could have been struck) is also the police's fault.....no matter the evidence presented before you, you ignore it and keep ranting about how the police were "excessive". SMH

Children were at more risk from 90 bullets being fired then a guy speeding a bit at night

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Musourenka
07/03/22 10:59:47 PM
#132:


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Eight officers were under administrative leave for the shooting, so I thought there were only eight officers involved.

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Agent_Stroud
07/03/22 11:00:34 PM
#133:


Damn! I know this is not at all a joking matter, but those blueshirts really went all Execute Order 66! on that poor dude, didnt they? Absolutely shameful and completely overkill, just sayin.

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TyVulpine
07/03/22 11:27:54 PM
#134:


Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Children were at more risk from 90 bullets being fired then a guy speeding a bit at night
I highly doubt parents would have allowed their kids to be outside at night during a shooting.

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Murphiroth
07/03/22 11:56:53 PM
#135:


TyVulpine posted...
I highly doubt parents would have allowed their kids to be outside at night during a shooting.

As we all know, bullets are like vampires and cannot go indoors without being invited inside.
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DezDroppedFreak
07/04/22 12:06:14 AM
#136:


Given the situation I understand why it came to gunfire; however, that many officers mag dumping into one target is negligent conduct and a bigger threat to the surrounding area than the catalyst event. Extremely lucky no bystanders were around or hell that they shot each other. If nothing else they absolutely should be punished for that

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PoundGarden
07/04/22 12:26:24 AM
#137:


Darkprince21 posted...
People really believe this. If this was true, then police involved shootings wouldn't represent not even a quarter of a PERCENT of the 150 million average police interactions a year. Police shootings even in recent years have stabilized around the same percentage.. While interesting to note, the number of people killing police officers has raised every year, and this is on pace if not already the highest recorded year of homicides against police(yes this number is low as well)

Having a hard time understanding you with a boot crammed in your maw

FTP

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Darkprince21
07/04/22 12:28:45 AM
#138:


PoundGarden posted...
Having a hard time understanding you with a boot crammed in your maw

FTP
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ultimate reaver
07/04/22 12:30:05 AM
#139:


wish mods on this site could properly neutralize shitposters

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mybbqrules
07/04/22 12:30:18 AM
#140:


TyVulpine posted...
You people really don't know how to argue in good faith.
Says the guy defending cops shooting almost 100 rounds at someone unarmed and running away.

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TyVulpine
07/04/22 12:49:17 AM
#141:


mybbqrules posted...
Says the guy defending cops shooting almost 100 rounds at someone unarmed and running away.
Never mind that the guy shot at police, who sped through residential areas at speeds of up to 50MPH, who got out the car and fled on foot, eh? Its totally the police officers fault and not his, right?

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Talib_21
07/04/22 12:49:51 AM
#142:


Why was he unarmed?

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TyVulpine
07/04/22 12:50:28 AM
#143:


Talib_21 posted...
Why was he unarmed?
he had a gun in the car and even shot at police with it.

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Ajiri
07/04/22 12:53:18 AM
#144:


Kill an unarmed black man
get paid administrative leave

Do you see why America is fucked up beyond belief?

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Nukazie
07/04/22 12:56:23 AM
#145:


the footage looked like it came from a movie

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TyVulpine
07/04/22 12:56:41 AM
#146:


Ajiri posted...
Kill an unarmed black man
get paid administrative leave

Do you see why America is fucked up beyond belief?
Who shot at police. Why do people keep conveniently ignoring that part?

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Murphiroth
07/04/22 12:58:28 AM
#147:


TyVulpine posted...
Who shot at police. Why do people keep conveniently ignoring that part?

Why do you keep conveniently ignoring the multiple people who have acknowledged that and are mostly skeptical of the need to fire 90 shots at one man?
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Forever_Black
07/04/22 1:24:35 AM
#148:


Questionable shoot. The cops are gonna get in trouble for it because he didnt have a gun on him but its reasonable for them to think he had a gun on him and was ready to shoot due to what happened beforehand.

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pinky0926
07/04/22 1:28:08 AM
#149:


TyVulpine posted...
Yeah, because innocent people always flee from police...

I dont know if you know this but the punishment for literally anything doesn't have to be death by firing squad, no trial necessary.

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iPhone_7
07/04/22 1:35:15 AM
#150:


shot at police
car chase
fled

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wackyteen
07/04/22 1:42:05 AM
#151:


I'm the furthest thing from a cop defender.

But

After looking more into this and seeing the body cam footage, there were a dozen or so officers on ground. So if they all start firing once one does, then that's how you get a solid 90 shots at one fleeing suspect.

The police chief said in a press conference that all officers involved indicated (after being sequestered from each other immediately after the incident so unlikely they all got together to form the same story) that they all saw movement from Jayland that made them think he was about to attack them.

Considering he had already shot at them and they had no clear indication to that point that he wasn't armed, it isn't a stretch for them all to assume that an upward motion from his hip was him pulling his weapon to fire at them.

Sure, you can doubt the cops story but there's like 13 different POVs from the 13 officers on ground. You can kind of see what they're talking about, though the camera quality isn't the greatest.

Yes, it's easy to frame this as "unarmed man gunned down by big bad pigs" but the timing of him tumbling out of the car and the last shot being fired is roughly 17 seconds. That includes them deploying and missing with tasers. The 90 shots happen within roughly 10 seconds.

By their training they all responded rather appropriately. If a suspect demonstrates they are a threat, you respond appropriately. He'd already fired a shot, whether at them or not is irrelevant, and when he turns around in the body cam footage in the 2 seconds before he gets lit up, they had every reason to believe he was still armed.

I know CE has an endless hate boner for cops but this is one of those few times where cops did everything by the book. It just had a sad ending for Jayland

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