Current Events > Akron police fired 90 shots at unarmed, fleeing man

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 6:46:40 PM
#202:


Last time I checked, fleeing from the cops unarmed is not an offense punishable by death. You are free to look up the actual penal code for this offense, as I am not currently up to date on Akron law.
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SwayM
07/04/22 6:59:38 PM
#203:


Hot tip: Rob a bank at gunpoint and then flee the scene. The last crime you commit is the one that you get charged with.

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 7:20:54 PM
#205:


SwayM posted...
Hot tip: Rob a bank at gunpoint and then flee the scene. The last crime you commit is the one that you get charged with.

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Which one of my posts led you to make this asinine conclusion?
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Cheater87
07/04/22 7:21:53 PM
#206:


The news said police found a gun in his car.

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 7:22:24 PM
#207:


Cheater87 posted...
The news said police found a gun in his car.


Crazy they didn't shoot a single of their 90 bullets into the car.
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TyVulpine
07/04/22 7:28:08 PM
#208:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
Crazy they didn't shoot a single of their 90 bullets into the car.
Hard to drive and shoot

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 7:34:00 PM
#209:


TyVulpine posted...

Hard to drive and shoot


Dylann Roof was spotted with multiple assault rifles in his car, tried to flee and the cops walked up to him and arrested him without firing a single shot.
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wackyteen
07/04/22 7:53:18 PM
#210:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
Dylann Roof was spotted with multiple assault rifles in his car, tried to flee and the cops walked up to him and arrested him without firing a single shot.
You keep bringing up other situations that are so (wildly) different from the current situation as if every situation with a cop should play out as the most well known.

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markconig
07/04/22 7:58:56 PM
#214:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
Dylann Roof was spotted with multiple assault rifles in his car, tried to flee and the cops walked up to him and arrested him without firing a single shot.

Except that didn't happen at all. Roof did drive a few hundred miles away, but when cops found him he calmly pulled over and gave up without a fight.

The stop was textbook, and fortunately uneventful, Shelby police chief Jeff Ledford told Yahoo News.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dashcam-video-arrest-of-charleston-shooter-dylann-roof-was-very-calm-2015-6

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:02:51 PM
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AssultTank posted...

He also keeps ignoring the facts of the case and expecting the police to have superhuman ability. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the people who say shit like, "Why didn't they just shoot the gun out of his hand?"


You would be surprised, because that's ridiculous
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fire_bolt
07/04/22 8:03:13 PM
#216:


AssultTank posted...

He also keeps ignoring the facts of the case and expecting the police to have superhuman ability. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the people who say shit like, "Why didn't they just shoot the gun out of his hand?"


IDK wtf happened to this topic but this is the only post on page 5 for me lol

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:06:08 PM
#217:


Weird how the 12 defenders have come out of the woodwork since a certain mod went mask off
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divot1338
07/04/22 8:12:12 PM
#218:


Hot tip: Rob a bank, shoot at the cops, then leave your gun in the car while they can't see you do it and then jaywalk. The last crime you do is the one they charge you with.

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:15:13 PM
#220:


Innocent bystanders could have been shot and we are totally going to ignore that because "herp derp it was pitch black and 66% is good enough!"
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wackyteen
07/04/22 8:16:05 PM
#221:


fire_bolt posted...
IDK wtf happened to this topic but this is the only post on page 5 for me lol
Damn, fire_bolt has me ignored lmao

L_Ratio_Cope posted...
Weird how the 12 defenders have come out of the woodwork since a certain mod went mask off

Maybe if you could criticize cops better we wouldn't have to "defend" them.

Correcting your inaccurate or sensationalized assertions about a situation doesn't suddenly mean we're all bootlickers.

There's hundreds of ways and situations in which cops escalate and fuck up situations nearly every day it seems. And they deserve to be criticized for it. This isn't one of those situations.

If you want meaningful reform, meaningful change to happen then pick your battles

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ScazarMeltex
07/04/22 8:18:04 PM
#223:


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It is when you consider the fact that rattling off 90 fucking rounds is incredibly dangerous to anyone and everyone in the area.

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Kingbuffet
07/04/22 8:19:02 PM
#224:


4th of July shooter shot into crowd with police presence , he shot at police!, killed 6 people, was apprehended with out 60 bullet holes. Mass shooter was a young white male not like Jayland who was a young black male

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:22:00 PM
#226:


wackyteen posted...

Damn, fire_bolt has me ignored lmao

Maybe if you could criticize cops better we wouldn't have to "defend" them.

Correcting your inaccurate or sensationalized assertions about a situation doesn't suddenly mean we're all bootlickers.

There's hundreds of ways and situations in which cops escalate and fuck up situations nearly every day it seems. And they deserve to be criticized for it. This isn't one of those situations.

If you want meaningful reform, meaningful change to happen then pick your battles


Wanting police to not fire 90 bullets on a public street on an unarmed fleeing suspect shouldn't be such a polarizing battle.
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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:22:42 PM
#227:


Kingbuffet posted...
4th of July shooter shot into crowd with police presence , he shot at police!, killed 6 people, was apprehended with out 60 bullet holes. Mass shooter was a young white male not like Jayland who was a young black male


I can already see the excuses. Enough time had passed apparently.

"Not the same situation! Stop deflecting!"
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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:23:36 PM
#229:


AssultTank posted...

But how would they know he was unarmed considering he was LITERALLY SHOOTING AT THEM LESS THAN 2 MINUTES BEFORE HE WAS SHOT.


I like how you can remove the unarmed part of my post and still come up with the same point you are so egregiously missing.
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Kingbuffet
07/04/22 8:26:09 PM
#231:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
I can already see the excuses. Enough time had passed apparently.

"Not the same situation! Stop deflecting!"
Which is maddening because one is a mass shooter and bigger threat, so yep, not even the same situation but didnt get turned into Swiss cheese.

Heres the scary part; police can chase a black man, call on the radio he has a gun! and thats good enough justification and we all know that because cops dont go to jail for murder

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:26:40 PM
#232:


AssultTank posted...

So give me a number. How many bullets per officer is reasonable for the situation?


A reasonable amount of officers, firing no more 5 or 6 shots, at a suspect they know for certain is armed, facing them or an innocent bystander, with no more than a single shot missing

If soldiers can handle this task with no issue, then this should be the standard. Too hard? Become a desk sergeant or find another job.

13 cops is overkill.
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wackyteen
07/04/22 8:27:41 PM
#233:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
Wanting police to not fire 90 bullets on a public street on an unarmed fleeing suspect shouldn't be such a polarizing battle.
That briefs well in a vacuum but you're ignoring that they did not know he was unarmed. All they knew is that he had fired a shot (likely intended at them but the video of the chase it looked like he just kind of stuck the weapon out and shot) and was now on abandoning his vehicle, failing to obey orders and was fleeing on foot (presumably with his weapon in tow). They had every reason to believe he was still armed. In the world of policing, presuming he wasn't armed could have gotten at least one of them wounded or killed. So you can see why they treated him as if he was armed when he turned around.

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wackyteen
07/04/22 8:28:21 PM
#235:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
A reasonable amount of officers, firing no more 5 or 6 shots, at a suspect they know for certain is armed, facing them or an innocent bystander, with no more than a single shot missing

If soldiers can handle this task with no issue, then this should be the standard. Too hard? Become a desk sergeant or find another job.

13 cops is overkill.

I'm glad you have such faith in soldiers lmao

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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:31:25 PM
#236:


wackyteen posted...

That briefs well in a vacuum but you're ignoring that they did not know he was unarmed. All they knew is that he had fired a shot (likely intended at them but the video of the chase it looked like he just kind of stuck the weapon out and shot) and was now on abandoning his vehicle, failing to obey orders and was fleeing on foot (presumably with his weapon in tow). They had every reason to believe he was still armed. In the world of policing, presuming he wasn't armed could have gotten at least one of them wounded or killed. So you can see why they treated him as if he was armed when he turned around.

L_Ratio_Cope posted...


I like how you can remove the unarmed part of my post and still come up with the same point you are so egregiously missing.
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L_Ratio_Cope
07/04/22 8:34:32 PM
#238:


wackyteen posted...


I'm glad you have such faith in soldiers lmao


What are you implying?
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TULPAMANCER
07/04/22 8:35:36 PM
#239:


If the suspect was shooting from his vehicle, and the officers did not see him leave the firearm in the car, then they were under the assumption that they now had an armed and aggressive suspect on foot, in the dark. At this point, not only are the officers' lives potentially at risk, from their perception, but so are the lives of bystanders.

As far as the officers' reaction, it's hard to fully justify it even if I can understand it. 90 shots is a volley of gunfire. If 30 of those shots were stray, that's 30 chances for bystanders to be struck, which then defeats the purpose if the concern was bullets and bystanders.
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SwayM
07/04/22 8:40:10 PM
#241:


TyVulpine posted...
Hard to drive and shoot

Apparently Its safer to shoot and drive than it is to fire from a standing position at a running target.

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wackyteen
07/04/22 8:42:27 PM
#242:


L_Ratio_Cope posted...
What are you implying?

Being one, I've seen soldiers skills first hand on generic M4 ranges more times than I care to remember.

A passing score is 57.5%(23 hits/40 targets). Some of them can barely hit that.

Even so, perfect accuracy is only the goal of the Snipers and super hooah soldiers who have something to prove or really need promotion points.

Regardless, in a high stress combat environment, accuracy is dog shit. Not to mention other methods of fire, like suppressing fire from Squad A so Squad B can move a few meters.

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fire_bolt
07/04/22 8:42:48 PM
#243:


Look folks, I'm at the leading edge of the All Cops Are Bastards parade but this one is a clear case of "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" and can be held up as Example #1 of why I wait for clear intel before forming an opinion. It doesn't matter a gnat's whisker if other people had less deadly interactions with police for equal or greater levels of stupidity. We judge this instance on the merits and it comes down to this:

1) Suspect was felony fleeing

2) Suspect discharged a weapon from his vehicle

3) Suspect attempted to flee on foot

4) Cops attempted a non-lethal takedown

5) Suspect made a suspicious hand gesture

In this instance, cops were absolutely justified in using lethal force. There were 4 points where this young man could have made a different choice and possibly still been alive at the end. It is a very unfortunate end, but again: Play Stupid Games, Win Stupid Prizes. If he had surrendered at points 1-4 and still got shot up (which I realize is absolutely possible) I'd be calling for the death penalty for the cops who shot a surrendering suspect, but that is just not the case here.

Some of you are so entrenched in your viewpoint that cops cannot ever be right that this means nothing to you. You are (generally) my brethren and I say to you: If you cannot see that this was a very sad Fair, Next you are part of the problem. If we ever want to HAVE good cops at all then they need room to sometimes be forced to do shitty things for the public good, such as executing what they thing is an armed and dangerous suspect. They need to be held to the highest possible standard, every single instance of a discharged weapons (lethal or non-lethal) investigated in full, but sometimes that is gonna be the correct decision in the heat of the moment. Pick and choose your battles, brothers. Remember that defund the police does not mean eliminate the police and we're gonna want good cops on the other side of eventually.

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TULPAMANCER
07/04/22 8:45:52 PM
#244:


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Ah, it was hard to tell the number of officers. Fortunately nobody else was hurt. Shame the suspect put everyone in this dangerous situation.
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metralo
07/04/22 8:47:03 PM
#245:


assault tank must be the one that mods me when I call out the people advocating for a white ethnostate on this site

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wackyteen
07/04/22 8:47:58 PM
#246:


TULPAMANCER posted...


As far as the officers' reaction, it's hard to fully justify it even if I can understand it. 90 shots is a volley of gunfire. If 30 of those shots were stray, that's 30 chances for bystanders to be struck, which then defeats the purpose if the concern was bullets and bystanders.
I'd have to go back and watch the footage, but I'm pretty sure Jayland fled into a field. While there is still that potential for stray bullets or ricochets, I feel the chances are as minimal as you could hope for given time of day

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fire_bolt
07/04/22 8:59:56 PM
#248:


AssultTank I just wanna say even tho we have opposing viewpoints on basically everything you've always struck me as very fair and reasonable. Don't let the shitposters get you down.

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Darkprince21
07/04/22 9:05:02 PM
#250:


Oh of course its Kanjo
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metralo
07/04/22 9:08:13 PM
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hm nah its gamefaqs I dont care much

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07/04/22 11:56:44 PM
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This is a horrible post. You should be ashamed for yourself and for all future generations.
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