Board 8 > 90s nickelodeon mafia topic 2 Slime everywhere

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Anyway as far as Red is concerned, I feel the biggest strike against him is that he never commented on the biggest topic of the day (that being Plum)
Also he kinda got delay-scummoned by Han.

As for you Sheep, I realized a quarter of the way in that I probably would be better of ISOing someone else with the time I have left.
I confess I cannot read you very well because you always put up anti-me front which throws me off. But I can at least verify that you are very active.

So focusing on Kirby instead it is

Also my poor dutch blood misses the 7 PM deadlines

I have the feeling Kirby is putting up a gigantic wall and Death will have a lot more to ISO shortly

htaeD posted...

I confess I cannot read you very well because you always put up anti-me front which throws me off

You're my secretly my favourite, don't worry. I like having someone who's actually awake at the same times as me and I'm always sad once you die and leave me with only MZero for company. I just find it much easier to read someone who I can actively interact with and it's fun to poke you hehe

Sorry, was at a Father's Day thing and haven't been feeling too well on top of that. Trying to catch up, can someone give me the short version while I read?

I have arrived. Really dont like the last two directions Han has tried to push the lynch. Did he seriously just try to offer up Ulti and Sheep? I think those two have been townier than Han and had better takes too.

Plum
Red
Death

Seem like the options right now if Sheep was serious

Plum claiming Hider.... it feels like he's reaaally playing it close to the chest. Not leaving much to read into as to whether him being that role he claims is believable or not. Its convenient enough to make no one want to vote for him and that's it so far.

Sheep007 posted...

I would very much like to know where you think your vote will end up, Kirby.

I very much want to vote Plum, but I'm naturally hesitant given how wrong I was about Tidus in Sir Chris Mafia and Ulti in Star Wars/Pokmon Mafia, both of who were uncountered town power that I was convinced were scum until they flipped. I'm wary about that.

Otherwise, if we're going by roles, lynching the Invisible is the safer option if we don't believe Plum and Lea are both telling the truth. Problem with that is 1) nobody seems to agree with me, so it's probably a stupid idea and 2) I'm not particularly keen on either Plum or Lea being town, but I'd more willing to believe Lea's claim than Plum's, so even I don't think the "safe" option is the smartest choice here.

The easy answer is to say Red, but again, I'd like to hear something back from him. I don't think anything about him struck me as particularly odd, but everyone else seems to think he's the second-best choice.

MZero I am fairly confident is Town. Tidus and Ben both seem to be playing as normal, too. IGCD is acting like his usual town-self I feel, and nothing about your posts have pinged me with weird logic like they did last game, Sheep. chang and Death also didn't seem out of the ordinary, either.

Out of principle, I refuse to lynch BCT or DYL today since it seems they haven't played in a while.

I guess I don't really have any solid reads on Han, Ulti, or Sbell. I mean, I seem to have a tendency to think Han is scum, but I think it's just his posting style that gives me those false flags. Ulti I don't think I remember much from him other than the whole Ben/Lea thing. And Sbell... I don't remember anything from him at all, really.

Hmm... Perhaps I should do a quick review of the day. Really, I'd like to vote for Plum, but I'd also hate to get burned again for lynching the uncountered, claimed power.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Sorry, was at a Father's Day thing and haven't been feeling too well on top of that. Trying to catch up, can someone give me the short version while I read?

Plum has claimed Hider.
... That's about it, really. I don't think much else has happened otherwise.

masterplum posted...

Tidus currently. He is the best mixture of never getting shot and hasn't immediately made himself obvious as scum.

Now I need to reconsider though

This is correct

Actually i did notice something. WHy did he answer this question and give his thought process on how he will play this role if he dies if his hide target is shot?

Goddamnit Sheep was right about the Kirbywalls

PunishedBen posted...

Actually i did notice something. WHy did he answer this question and give his thought process on how he will play this role if he dies if his hide target is shot?

WIFOM, maybe? That's a good question...

RIP Tidus, I guess. Plum be setting him up as the sacrificial lamb lol

I cant word things correctly. Does a hider who knows
Kirby321 posted...

I very much want to vote Plum, but I'm naturally hesitant given how wrong I was about Tidus in Sir Chris Mafia and Ulti in Star Wars/Pokmon Mafia, both of who were uncountered town power that I was convinced were scum until they flipped. I'm wary about that.

Otherwise, if we're going by roles, lynching the Invisible is the safer option if we don't believe Plum and Lea are both telling the truth. Problem with that is 1) nobody seems to agree with me, so it's probably a stupid idea and 2) I'm not particularly keen on either Plum or Lea being town, but I'd more willing to believe Lea's claim than Plum's, so even I don't think the "safe" option is the smartest choice here.

The easy answer is to say Red, but again, I'd like to hear something back from him. I don't think anything about him struck me as particularly odd, but everyone else seems to think he's the second-best choice.

MZero I am fairly confident is Town. Tidus and Ben both seem to be playing as normal, too. IGCD is acting like his usual town-self I feel, and nothing about your posts have pinged me with weird logic like they did last game, Sheep. chang and Death also didn't seem out of the ordinary, either.

Out of principle, I refuse to lynch BCT or DYL today since it seems they haven't played in a while.

I guess I don't really have any solid reads on Han, Ulti, or Sbell. I mean, I seem to have a tendency to think Han is scum, but I think it's just his posting style that gives me those false flags. Ulti I don't think I remember much from him other than the whole Ben/Lea thing. And Sbell... I don't remember anything from him at all, really.

Hmm... Perhaps I should do a quick review of the day. Really, I'd like to vote for Plum, but I'd also hate to get burned again for lynching the uncountered, claimed power.

I think I believe Kirby for today

Red i still need that post that gave you the indication I was not having fun

I dont want to speculate too hard about Plums motives when he should talk about that himself.
But I suppose he is not here right now to do so.

But he did at least say he would no longer target Tidus tonight.

Bootleg Cable Votals
[3] Plum - (Han), Ulti, (Lea), (Death), Chang, Sheep
[3] Red- Lea, DYL, Ben
[2] Ben - IGCD, (Red) Tidus
[1] DYL - (Ulti), MZero, (Sheep),( Kirby)
[1] Sheep - Plum
[1] Kirby- Red
[1] Ulti - Han
[0] MZero - (Ulti), (Ben), (plum)
[0] Lea - (IGCD)

Sheep007 posted...

I have the feeling Kirby is putting up a gigantic wall and Death will have a lot more to ISO shortly

You're my secretly my favourite, don't worry. I like having someone who's actually awake at the same times as me and I'm always sad once you die and leave me with only MZero for company. I just find it much easier to read someone who I can actively interact with and it's fun to poke you hehe

Sure, I'll let Death be your favourite as long as I'm your favorite

We don't need a plurality for a lynch today, right? Just a simple majority?

Seems there's a tie between Plum and Red (and Ben trailing behind but I ain't voting for that). I'm torn on that. My ISO of Ulti has made me feel better about him and worse about Plum. I just think Ulti brought good content to the day (though, for what it's worth, that feels like a stark contrast to his Day 1 last game, where he was town).

Perhaps it's time I look into Red a bit more...

There is unfortunately not much to look at for Red. Somehow Han predicted this. Not sure what to think about that

Popping in after dinner

My only concern with Red is I don't remember him contributing much as town last game.

I thought he was scum because he didn't say much and I was wrong

Kirby's first post reads like its half full. He gives four reads but doesnt end them with major opinions, asking stuff to let others finish his thoughts.

Already commented on Kirby's 2nd wallpost which sounded like just wanted to procrastinate.

His third big action is to vote DYL. Not exactly undeserved if one wants to get DYL to become active, but an easy vote to make nonetheless. It didn't even stick that long.

The 4th wall (the biggest one yet) has him address Plum but in a way that leaves it open to back off from him. But at least he never seemed to be going too soft on him.
He also restates his case on leaving Lea alone for now. Which is probably the fairest and clearest stance he's made.

The 5th wall at least clears up that he likes Ben this game, even if he still waffles on that a bit by saying the absence of Chris could be causing that read.
He also defends Tidus from Lea a lot. Which is at least honorable.

The last wall he posted just now is probably his best one since it has more opinions than not.
He is even on my wavelength when it comes to not wanting to touch Red if he cannot be online right now.
Except...
It strikes me how fast Kirby went from 'who do we lynch instead?' to 'I dont want to lynch Red until he talks'
It just reads bizarrely.

Still all in all, I dont see enough to call Kirby scum for.

masterplum posted...

Popping in after dinner

My only concern with Red is I don't remember him contributing much as town last game.

I thought he was scum because he didn't say much and I was wrong

He has voted two people slightly off the grain despite not saying much.

I looked at his last game and he did not place a single vote day 1

[11] Sheep: Kirby, (Chris), (Ben), plum, (Chris), (Lea), Hb, Death, Chris, JC, IGCD, Ben, Arti/Lopen, Sultan, chang
[3] Ben: (Chris), (Sultan), (Arti/Lopen), Sheep, (Chris), Ulti, ViolentAbacus
[1] Chris: Corrik, (Sultan), (IGCD)
[1] Isquen: (Arti/Lopen), (Lea), MZero, (IGCD)
[1] IGCD: Isquen
[0] Corrik: (IGCD), (Ben)
[0] Lea: (Hb)
[0] No Lynch: (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Kirby: (Plum), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Plum: (Scare), (Sheep)
[0] Arti/Lopen: (Isquen), (Isquen), (IGCD)
[0] chang: (SBell), (Chris), (Arti/Lopen)
[0] Death: (Sheep)
[0] Ulti: (MZero)
[0] Sultan: (Isquen)

Hmmmmmm

Kirby321 posted...

I very much want to vote Plum, but I'm naturally hesitant given how wrong I was about Tidus in Sir Chris Mafia and Ulti in Star Wars/Pokmon Mafia, both of who were uncountered town power that I was convinced were scum until they flipped. I'm wary about that.

Otherwise, if we're going by roles, lynching the Invisible is the safer option if we don't believe Plum and Lea are both telling the truth. Problem with that is 1) nobody seems to agree with me, so it's probably a stupid idea and 2) I'm not particularly keen on either Plum or Lea being town, but I'd more willing to believe Lea's claim than Plum's, so even I don't think the "safe" option is the smartest choice here.

The easy answer is to say Red, but again, I'd like to hear something back from him. I don't think anything about him struck me as particularly odd, but everyone else seems to think he's the second-best choice.

MZero I am fairly confident is Town. Tidus and Ben both seem to be playing as normal, too. IGCD is acting like his usual town-self I feel, and nothing about your posts have pinged me with weird logic like they did last game, Sheep. chang and Death also didn't seem out of the ordinary, either.

Out of principle, I refuse to lynch BCT or DYL today since it seems they haven't played in a while.

I guess I don't really have any solid reads on Han, Ulti, or Sbell. I mean, I seem to have a tendency to think Han is scum, but I think it's just his posting style that gives me those false flags. Ulti I don't think I remember much from him other than the whole Ben/Lea thing. And Sbell... I don't remember anything from him at all, really.

Hmm... Perhaps I should do a quick review of the day. Really, I'd like to vote for Plum, but I'd also hate to get burned again for lynching the uncountered, claimed power.

I'm gonna try to address a few things here, although I've realised with little time left I should keep this brief. First, why the wariness of Lea? You like her claim, I think she's had a clean game so far (though you may disagree), and as I've mentioned a few times before, this is leagues above last game for her.

Second, are less active players entirely off the table for you? Is this a consistent thing for your D1s, or is there something particular about this game? I'm curious, because I don't think there's many great options besides the less active players, especially if Plum is off the table.

Third... I like your walls, generally, but this one feels lacking. I know you're a very analytical person, and it's missing that streak which I would expect after two games of watching you as town. I know this is a difficult situation, but this is wishy-washy stuff and lacking for this point in the day. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt with a busy weekend for now, but I am concerned and we may be having words tomorrow. If I die tonight (which I think is fairly likely), I would ask that y'all take a look at Kirby. Ben shall be my messenger from beyond the grave.

PunishedBen posted...

Sure, I'll let Death be your favourite as long as I'm your favorite

Everyone in B8 Mafia is my favourite! But especially you and Death.

masterplum posted...

My only concern with Red is I don't remember him contributing much as town last game.

Disagree. He had low activity but a few very good posts in D1 both the last two games. I had him as basically confirmed town by the time I joined D2 in Kingmaker. This does not feel like the same Red.

Leanansidhe posted...

The weird thing is that Death also had that unfun reaction, apparently.

I thought you were at the very least, medium-fun.

I like being called super town.

Its hard to be in a funny mood when you wake up in the morning and nobody else is around to laugh at my sharp wit.

About Ben tho, I would also say he was not 100 % serious. He made some jokes on page1 even.

See, Red is giving me the same vibes as in Sir Chris Mafia, where I was 90% sure he was scum until my role told me that he was actually not scum. Day 1 Red just naturally pings scum, I guess?

Ugh, I'm feeling the same way I did whenever I pushed against Chris's lynch targets from last game. My head says, "Vote for Red. Lea and Han clearly see something that you don't, and if Plum is telling the truth, you just lost a valuable role." But my gut says, "Plum is lying. His behavior has been all over the place, and Hider alongside Invisible seems like overkill in this setup."

Has IGCD posted recently? He said that he feels like the attacks on Plum have been cyclical, where one person's attack on Plum led to another person justifying it with their own attack. I asked him if Plum flips town, who would be the most likely scum out of the people involved in those attacks on him.

My immediate thought after reading back is... Ulti. I liked Ulti's posts because he made good arguments against Plum, I felt. But I feel like (especially in last game) town usually gets mislynched not because they played poorly, but because someone else was controlling the narrative. And I feel like that would be fitting for Ulti if Plum flips town.

So... screw it. I'm going with my gut. ##Vote: Plum

Leafeon13N posted...

No you cannot I have work today.

But fun ben is scare masonbuddies unfun ben is last game surprise neighbor suicide.

Even his example doesnt make any sense to me as I expressed many times neighboring Chris was THE FUN OPTION.

Plus he had the chance to cite this game as an example of when I was "unfun" and he didnt. lol

I would even argue that you were trying to be too funny in the last game to mask your scumminess..

Yo Han, art thou around?

Flameo, hotman
[4] Plum - (Han), Ulti, (Lea), (Death), Chang, Sheep, Kirby
[3] Red- Lea, DYL, Ben
[2] Ben - IGCD, (Red) Tidus
[1] DYL - (Ulti), MZero, (Sheep),( Kirby)
[1] Sheep - Plum
[1] Kirby- Red
[1] Ulti - Han
[0] MZero - (Ulti), (Ben), (plum)
[0] Lea - (IGCD)

Who has spoken in favor of Ulti so far?

Ben and Sheep?

Neither are on my highest tiers of thinking they're Town.

PunishedBen posted...

There is unfortunately not much to look at for Red. Somehow Han predicted this. Not sure what to think about that

Predicted that Red would do nothing like he does in every single game he plays?

Yeah that was about me thinking Bens reaction to your claim was too immediate and serious.
(I didn't realize at the time that there were 25 minutes or so between the two posts)

I assumed that's what Red was talking about, but I admit I cannot be sure we are even talking about the same post.

PunishedBen posted...

Yo Han, art thou around?

I've been multi-tasking.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I've been multi-tasking.

Cool cool

htaeD posted...

It strikes me how fast Kirby went from 'who do we lynch instead?' to 'I dont want to lynch Red until he talks'
It just reads bizarrely.

So this is a fair point, and perhaps I should elaborate a bit more.

The other thing holding me back from going in on Red is that he's unclaimed, and doesn't seem to intend on being here for the deadline. The absolute last thing I'd want to do is lynch somebody who didn't even get the chance to claim, especially if they're a useful role like Doctor or Cop.

Hence why I was entertaining Lea as a potential lynch, even though I wouldn't want to lynch her right now over Plum if we disregard the significance of their roles. I hope this answers Sheep's question, too (with the other answer being that I didn't like her argument against Tidus at all, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt in that she likely hasn't played a game with Tidus before).

Don't want to make too large of a wall with so few minutes left, so I'll address Sheep's next points in a separate post.

Kirby321 posted...

See, Red is giving me the same vibes as in Sir Chris Mafia, where I was 90% sure he was scum until my role told me that he was actually not scum. Day 1 Red just naturally pings scum, I guess?

Ugh, I'm feeling the same way I did whenever I pushed against Chris's lynch targets from last game. My head says, "Vote for Red. Lea and Han clearly see something that you don't, and if Plum is telling the truth, you just lost a valuable role." But my gut says, "Plum is lying. His behavior has been all over the place, and Hider alongside Invisible seems like overkill in this setup."

Has IGCD posted recently? He said that he feels like the attacks on Plum have been cyclical, where one person's attack on Plum led to another person justifying it with their own attack. I asked him if Plum flips town, who would be the most likely scum out of the people involved in those attacks on him.

My immediate thought after reading back is... Ulti. I liked Ulti's posts because he made good arguments against Plum, I felt. But I feel like (especially in last game) town usually gets mislynched not because they played poorly, but because someone else was controlling the narrative. And I feel like that would be fitting for Ulti if Plum flips town.

So... screw it. I'm going with my gut

Okay, I was gonna rail on Kirby for his lack of analysis a bit more but I actually really like this post!

...which in turn is making me paranoid that I am horribly wrong on Plum and Kirby's covering for Red aaaa

I am surprised people are coming on Plum at this stage and although I feel like Plum is more likely to be scum this post has me second-guessing and I can't put my finger on why

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Predicted that Red would do nothing like he does in every single game he plays?

I guess this leads into my question for you then -

Has anything changed your mind from your opening post where you said Red is a good lynch?

Okay, caught up.

Han, I'll have a full red ISO ready for you tomorrow (unless we lynch him and he's town).

But that said, I don't like the idea of potentially lynching Town Hider. Should we not give Plum a chance to prove himself tomorrow? And lynch him if he proves to be a liar? Sorry, I don't know if I've seen that role before...

Guys, Ulti didn't make good points on Plum, he just agreed with me and said Plum looked bad without me going after him.

PunishedBen posted...

I guess this leads into my question for you then -

Has anything changed your mind from your opening post where you said Red is a good lynch?

Red is always a good lynch because I have little respect for his play. Since then, he's been forgettable but like I said, I don't know if Red is foolish enough to just leave when I have my eyes on him.

The other thing holding me back from going in on Red is that he's unclaimed, and doesn't seem to intend on being here for the deadline. The absolute last thing I'd want to do is lynch somebody who didn't even get the chance to claim, especially if they're a useful role like Doctor or Cop.

I understand this feeling, but the other choice being a possible already claimed townpower is also not a great feeling.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Okay, caught up.

Han, I'll have a full red ISO ready for you tomorrow (unless we lynch him and he's town).

But that said, I don't like the idea of potentially lynching Town Hider. Should we not give Plum a chance to prove himself tomorrow? And lynch him if he proves to be a liar? Sorry, I don't know if I've seen that role before...

This reads like someone I thought was Scum protecting someone I thought was Scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Guys, Ulti didn't make good points on Plum, he just agreed with me and said Plum looked bad without me going after him.

Red is always a good lynch because I have little respect for his play. Since then, he's been forgettable but like I said, I don't know if Red is foolish enough to just leave when I have my eyes on him.

Alright fair enough. I was wondering when Ulti became so much scummier than Red that you'd sooner suspect the people defending him are scum than you'd vote for Red. So it sounds like you are pretty confident his dodging is a town sign?

I would lynch Red over Plum here.

Red knows better than to just miss end of day.

But Red did say he wouldn't be around...I think

A few quick notes about Red:
-He votes Ben immediately, without hesitation/explanation
-All his posts are short and to the point, but don't really direct discussion
-There are a few things I need to understand the history of that he's spewing
-He's not very good at expressing his opinions.

Okay, yeah, fewer posts than I thought.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

This reads like someone I thought was Scum protecting someone I thought was Scum.

I think it reads that way only because you thought we were both scum. If you'd thought I was town before, would you think the same way?

...or do I sound insane right now? I legitimately don't know because my experience is so limited.