Board 8 > 90s nickelodeon mafia topic 2 Slime everywhere

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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/22 4:24:56 PM
#1:


With 16 alive it takes a majority lynch of 9 to hammer otherwise EOD is 8PM Est Sunday June 19th.

1. IGCD
2.Plum
3. HAN
4. Sheep
5. Ulti
6. Tidus
7.kirby
8.Ben
9. BlueCrystalTear
10. Death
11.Red
12. Sbell
13.Mzero
14. Lea
15. DYL
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changmas
06/19/22 4:30:17 PM
#2:


about 30 mins until i head out for father's day.

##Vote: Plum

the time to change my mind is now

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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/22 4:33:48 PM
#3:


htaeD posted...
Han and Kirby are just more neutral than everyone else!

I have no strong feelings about this one way or the other.

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Sheep007
06/19/22 4:34:16 PM
#4:


##Unvote
##Vote: Plum

See you day 2.

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:34:47 PM
#5:


Ugh

Alex Mac Hider

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:35:42 PM
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On my phone so copy pasting is a pain

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:37:14 PM
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How do people not see sheep's actions and go "Huh, those aren't normal town actions"

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:37:55 PM
#8:


Anyways I have prepare dinner, so I'm going to have to leave it there

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htaeD
06/19/22 4:38:37 PM
#9:


Hider huh.
Dont see how that was a claim worth holding back...

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:40:04 PM
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htaeD posted...
Hider huh.
Dont see how that was a claim worth holding back...

I hate claiming power

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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/22 4:40:28 PM
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Who would you hide behind tonight?


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htaeD
06/19/22 4:42:58 PM
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Leanansidhe posted...
I guess hider can sort of prove itself eventually. I guess. Seems like it fills a similar niche to my own role, really. Not sure how balanced this game is tho. Hmmm.

Fun train time?

That thought did cross my mind.
I almost want to say it makes Plum claiming it look better on him, but thats shortsighted logic..
Plus maybe Plum just has too much previousgame setup on the brain.

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Sheep007
06/19/22 4:43:03 PM
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I always forget what Hider does tbh. Isn't it basically Cop that dies if it targets scum/someone who dies, or was that specifically Red's version last game?

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Kirby321
06/19/22 4:43:40 PM
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Re-posting from last topic...

TidusOfTheX posted...
I want to lynch Ben today, not only because he is scummy, but also because lynching him would also give us lots of info. ##Vote: Ben

I love this response. I am always in favor of lynching Ben Day 1 just for the memes lmao

But nah, I don't think this is the same scum Ben from last game. Could've been Chrisfear last game, but Ben struck me as more "chummy" or willing to buddy up to people rather than go on the offensive/be so assertive. He's definitely more of the latter this game.

Nonetheless, I feel good about this response from Tidus. I don't know how scum Tidus plays, but I feel like throwing out an opinion like this (even if it's about Ben) is a bold move that a cautious scum wouldn't really take.

IfGodCouldDie posted...
I'm still not convinced that Plum is scum. I don't really agree with the attacks on them because I don't necessarily belive his behaviour is scum behaviour, it comes across more as just anti-town behaviour, and the attacks all feel cyclical on him. Its like people are using each others attacks to feel justified in their own attacks and then people are using the other attacks to justify their own attacks.

Interesting observation. So if Plum flipped town, would you say any of his aggressors would be scum? If so, who would be the scummiest?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


What on Earth are you talking about? It's not difficult to Ctrl + F through Tidus's posts and see he did more than just that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80061692/965918074
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80061692/965918129
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80061692/965918558
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80061692/965925181

Sure, it might not be a whole lot of content or huge walls or such. That's just Tidus's posting style, but it's not like he's posting fluff (though I personally think saying stuff like "I agree" isn't fluffy unless there's no supporting reasons behind it).

DYL literally only had three posts by the time I voted for him (technically four, but I didn't see the fourth one while drafting my messages). Tidus may not have that many more points, but pinning it on inactivity because he wanted to play games is horrid reasoning. I hope I wouldn't have to stop playing Final Fantasy XIV just because I signed up for mafia!

If you don't like his content, that's fair. But this argument of him being busy playing games is frivolous. It's grasping at straws and frankly gives me the same uneasy vibes I had about you last game on Day 1. Though I'd still like to believe your claim about (hopefully Town) Invisible being true.

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htaeD
06/19/22 4:44:07 PM
#16:


Reds version was a weird one..
Or what he claimed to be was?
Its a headache to even try and remember.

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Kirby321
06/19/22 4:45:16 PM
#18:


masterplum posted...
Ugh

Alex Mac Hider

Dumb Hider like Red had last time, or Hider that, when hiding behind scum, immediately dies?

Because that's a very important distinction to make... One role is borderline useless, the other is mortally confirmable (I'm sorry I couldn't help it lol)

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changmas
06/19/22 4:47:47 PM
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so that makes two people claiming roles that scum can't kill at night. hmmmmmmm

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htaeD
06/19/22 4:47:58 PM
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I feel like if Plum was the confirmable variant, he wouldnt sound so mellow about claiming it.

But the fact that he didnt clarify must mean its the standard one...
Except I dont know which one that is!

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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/22 4:48:44 PM
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Hider is an interesting role to claim if fake. Safe hides are worthless after the hider is revealed as fake. Unsafe hides can't happen. The question is whether it merits faking being RB'd, which it really should.

Conversely, if real, safe hides become a lot more powerful, and if properly breadcrumbed, can be killer to Scum. Any sort of Scum misdirect role would fuck any of that up, but without that, Scum would have to pick between letting the Town member off themself or clearing Town, which is not an enviable position. It calls for RB's. Or an unblockable trying to frame whomever they are hiding behind.

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Kirby321
06/19/22 4:51:10 PM
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htaeD posted...
I feel like if Plum was the confirmable variant, he wouldnt sound so mellow about claiming it.

But the fact that he didnt clarify must mean its the standard one...
Except I dont know which one that is!

IIRC from the discussion last game, standard B8 Hider is the one where the Hider dies if they target scum, regardless of whether scum actually targets the Hider or not.

Red's variant from last game doesn't die immediately when hiding behind scum. Instead, if scum targets the Hider while that Hider is hiding behind scum, the Hider's redirection powers fail and the Hider gets killed instead of their target.

The former has pseudo-scanner/redirection powers. The latter just has redirection, but can't redirect to scum.

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Sheep007
06/19/22 4:51:28 PM
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I feel like Lea is getting Tidus whiplash but I do feel kinda okay with him, even if I think the Ben vote is nonsensical at best.

I too would love to know why exactly Plum didn't take more issue with Lea's claim, considering his own. Especially if it's the version of Hider that can't be targeted at night.

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:52:14 PM
#26:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Who would you hide behind tonight?

Tidus currently. He is the best mixture of never getting shot and hasn't immediately made himself obvious as scum.

Now I need to reconsider though

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


This is correct

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htaeD
06/19/22 4:54:53 PM
#27:


Okay so not the red version.
You didn't think claiming a confirmable role would have been better to do before you got stuck to phoneposting?

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:55:26 PM
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Sheep007 posted...
I feel like Lea is getting Tidus whiplash but I do feel kinda okay with him, even if I think the Ben vote is nonsensical at best.

I too would love to know why exactly Plum didn't take more issue with Lea's claim, considering his own. Especially if it's the version of Hider that can't be targeted at night.

I don't see the issue? I can't hide behind her and we know nothing about the setup.

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htaeD
06/19/22 4:56:14 PM
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They mean that it seems like now we have two similar roles.

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masterplum
06/19/22 4:57:39 PM
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htaeD posted...
Okay so not the red version.
You didn't think claiming a confirmable role would have been better to do before you got stuck to phoneposting?

Claiming power is almost always wrong unless mortally necessary. It seemed like it might not be necessary until the last two votes

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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/22 4:59:16 PM
#32:


plum, pick a lynch between the following:

Red
Ulti
BCT


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Dark Young Link
06/19/22 4:59:26 PM
#33:


Hider and untargetable? I can sort of see those two roles working together in the sense that a player that can't be targeted would make hider more vulnerable to being killed. It would also cause some confusion.

Hypothetically, say Lea never claimed. Plum says he's going to hide behind Lea. Next day Plum ends up dead. Lea ends up looking like scum without actually being scum.

Or maybe that's metaing and I shouldn't put too much stock into that.

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Kirby321
06/19/22 4:59:33 PM
#34:


I mean, in a vacuum, sure, they're similar in the sense that scum can't kill them.

But that's where the similarities between Hider and Invisible stop. Hider just redirects (calling it "protection" is inaccurate when somebody still ends up dead regardless) and dies if they make the wrong call, whereas Invisible seemingly can't be killed at all besides through a mislynch.

Tbh, I don't see the issue of those roles coexisting, either. But I do agree with Death that it's odd that Plum waited until now to claim.

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htaeD
06/19/22 5:00:39 PM
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Red couldnt target Lea last time either, so I doubt Plums role would work on Lea's role here either.

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Kirby321
06/19/22 5:01:56 PM
#36:


Dark Young Link posted...
Hypothetically, say Lea never claimed. Plum says he's going to hide behind Lea. Next day Plum ends up dead. Lea ends up looking like scum without actually being scum.

Or maybe that's metaing and I shouldn't put too much stock into that.

I mean, in an alternate timeline, that could totally be a situation that happens. That's just another point in favor of Lea's insta-claim being a pro-town move (if she's telling the truth, that is).

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Sheep007
06/19/22 5:03:15 PM
#37:


I am getting flashbacks to both myself claiming a scanner after a horrible Scum game D1 last game and Tidus claiming a scanner after a horrible Town game D2 the game before.

masterplum posted...
I don't see the issue? I can't hide behind her and we know nothing about the setup.
As Lea said, they seem like odd roles to have together? Both fill a niche of being roles that hamper scum's targeting ability, and that's without any dedicated protection.

I kinda disagree about it being weird to wait so long before claiming? That's a pretty powerful role and I'd be hesitant to claim it too.

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htaeD
06/19/22 5:06:58 PM
#39:


I think I was just confusing Hider with Commuter again.

I do agree that I dont think the two roles clash.

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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/22 5:07:03 PM
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Kirby321 posted...
Man, so this is my reputation on this board now lmao

On the topic of Plum, I feel like I'd need another day to really tell whether he's scum or not. But take that with a grain of salt; I'm bad at following the interactions between people earlier in the game.

For what it's worth, though, I remembered that this post from Plum brushed me the wrong way:

I might just be a dense brick who can't understand jokes... but why would you say that as Town? I wouldn't have caught on to Ben's hint (if it's even actually a hint!) at all until Plum pointed it out. But like... why. Leave that stuff hidden; don't spell it out for scum.

On the topic of Lea's role, if she's telling the truth, then I believe her claim was pro-Town. Wish I could've made the point first so that my post wouldn't seem "unnecessary", but I agree with MZero. It's far more likely for town powers who attempt to target Lea to stay quiet about not being able to target her, because they wouldn't want to immediately claim they were blocked, allowing other power roles to silently target her. (I mean, some townies are a little trigger-happy on claims, but barring them, most power roles would like to stay hidden for as long as possible)

If Lea is lying, we'll see the lies untangle as the game goes on. I don't see a point in testing Lea's claim this early in the game.

People, look at this post with me.

Does it look like Kirby suggesting not to look at Plum while also saying he'll go with it?
Does it feel off to the rest of you?

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masterplum
06/19/22 5:07:25 PM
#41:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
plum, pick a lynch between the following:

Red
Ulti
BCT

Hmm

BCT.

Killing Ulti or Red D1 is probably wrong unless they really throw up all sorts of bad signals

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TheSultanOfSlam
06/19/22 5:10:03 PM
#42:


votals
[5] plum - Han, Ulti, (Lea) Death,chang, Sheep
[2] Ben - IGCD, (red) Tidus
[1] DYL - (Ulti), MZero, (Sheep),( Kirby)
[1] Sheep - plum
[1]Kirby- Red
[1] Red- Lea
[0] MZero - (Ulti), (Ben), (plum)
[0] Lea - (IGCD)

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htaeD
06/19/22 5:10:33 PM
#43:


The off thing about that Kirby post to me is him getting confused about the psychic comments.
The overall wall also kinda has a theme of 'Eh I will do that later'

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Sheep007
06/19/22 5:14:45 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
People, look at this post with me.

Does it look like Kirby suggesting not to look at Plum while also saying he'll go with it?
Does it feel off to the rest of you?
I'm not sure I see what you do. There's a bit of hedging to it for sure, but I don't think Kirby has made a habit of being incredibly assured in his reads since joining us.

also Plum's response just makes me wanna kill Red tbh

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Kirby321
06/19/22 5:15:40 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Okay, that makes a lot more sense with why people are kicking up a fuss over your role and his being strange to have in the same game.

And... I have to agree. That does seem a bit strange, especially since Plum hesitate to counter your claim.

This version of Hider feels a lot more like Commuter than Hider tbh. But maybe I'm just used to the only variant I saw back in my old community.

Does the B8 version of Hider die if the person they hide behind bites the bullet instead? E.g., let's say Plum hides behind me. Scum target me. I'm definitely dead, but does Plum die, too?

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Sheep007
06/19/22 5:15:48 PM
#47:


Tidus is also voting Ben, by the way

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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/22 5:17:44 PM
#49:


masterplum posted...
Hmm

BCT.

Killing Ulti or Red D1 is probably wrong unless they really throw up all sorts of bad signals

Eugh that was the Scummiest thing you could have said.

##Unvote: Plum

I'm going to get to watching something here soon, so I won't be able to keep up as well, but let me give this:

I have a bad feeling that someone on the Scumteam pointed to a behavior of Chris's, of asking other players through thought processes, and told them to emulate it. This is not based on any real suspicion or Hangut, it's just a bad feeling.

Two, here's what I got after doing some ISO's:

Reason to think Town:
IGCD
Lea
Tidus
MZero
Death

Leaning Town:
Sheep

????:
Chang
SBell
Ben
Red
DYL

Leaning Scum:
Ulti
Kirby

Scummy:
Plum
BCT

Now, I'm good to hold back and allow BCT and DYL more time. If we had an additional day, I would absolutely gun for SBell at this point just because I don't like what he's given so far and want more, and his inability to find time to respond is sad.

But on rereads, even with a slew of ????'s to look at, I didn't like how Ulti has looked this game. Go ISO him. It feels like he's hovering around saying anything that really means anything. There's bravado in his posts, but there's an element of Scumhunting that I'm just not seeing.

Kirby is in a bit of a weird place as well with him touching me the wrong way as well.

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changmas
06/19/22 5:18:37 PM
#50:


well my time's up for the day. I'm honestly conflicted right now. Unlike most of you, I do take issue with Lea and plum roles coexisting. But it's a little bit concerning that we could potentially lynch what might be one of our strongest investigative roles. I don't particularly like the alternatives that have been suggested though so I think I'm just gonna keep my vote here on plum and trust that if something develops in the next couple hours that town has its head on straight and makes the right choice.

Cya day 2.

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