Current Events > Lia Thomas BANNED as FINA votes to restrict transgender women from competitions

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GranAures
06/21/22 9:49:18 PM
#255:


scorpion41 posted...
I understand the head start late transitioning gives over cis gendered women

scorpion41 posted...
You don't want late transitioning to compete. I won't argue this.

scorpion41 posted...
And yes, I would discourage my two girls from transitioning that young if their safety couldnt be guaranteed.
Well I hope you never have an AMAB child that's trans and wants to play sports. "Sorry Sally, better hang up the one piece competition swimsuit because daddy is making sure you can never compete as a woman for your own good."

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gunplagirl
06/21/22 9:51:50 PM
#256:


GranAures posted...
Well I hope you never have an AMAB child that's trans and wants to play sports. "Sorry Sally, better hang up the one piece competition swimsuit because daddy is making sure you can never compete as a woman for your own good."
Sally? You know darn well he'd call her by her birth name and then once she's 18 she would leave home and change her name and drop all contact forever. And then when he's dying alone in an old folks home, he'll blame her for never visiting.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 9:52:22 PM
#257:


CyricZ posted...
Fucking name one.

Prove to me that Lia Thomas isn't transitioning solely for competitive advantage? oh wait you can't? and nobody else can? can the brigade please stop with this stupid ass straw man.

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 9:52:23 PM
#258:


Science in the hands of bigots is a dangerous tool.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 9:52:59 PM
#259:


gunplagirl posted...
Sally? You know darn well he'd call her by her birth name and then once she's 18 she would leave home and change her name and drop all contact forever. And then when he's dying alone in an old folks home, he'll blame her for never visiting.

Speaking of stereotypes and bigotry...

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GranAures
06/21/22 9:54:01 PM
#260:


hsvhighlife posted...
Prove to me that Lia Thomas isn't transitioning solely for competitive advantage? oh wait you can't? and else nobody can? can the brigade please stop with this stupid ass straw man.
You made the claim. You back it up.

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scorpion41
06/21/22 9:54:16 PM
#261:


CyricZ posted...
They're your words. You said train as a male to compete as a female.

Own your shit.

Go back and reread that post, chief. And reread it well. Youre twisting the meaning of my words.

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greyfox747
06/21/22 9:54:26 PM
#262:


Source: dude trust me

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 9:54:37 PM
#263:


hsvhighlife posted...
Prove to me that Lia Thomas isn't transitioning solely for competitive advantage? oh wait you can't? and else nobody can? can the brigade please stop with this stupid ass straw man.
So why do most male athletes cheat against other men when apparently they can easily just, and this is gross to say, "choose to be trans" and dominate women? Why isn't women's sports nothing but trans women?

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 9:54:40 PM
#264:


GranAures posted...
You made the claim. You back it up.

no, I don't think I will

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scorpion41
06/21/22 9:55:03 PM
#265:


gunplagirl posted...
Sally? You know darn well he'd call her by her birth name and then once she's 18 she would leave home and change her name and drop all contact forever. And then when he's dying alone in an old folks home, he'll blame her for never visiting.

I like you better when youre suspended.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 9:55:05 PM
#266:


FinalFight posted...
Twisting someones words this severely should really be considered a moddable offense.


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ZMythos
06/21/22 9:55:42 PM
#267:


hsvhighlife posted...
no, I don't think I will
So having no evidence for your claim makes you correct, somehow?

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CyricZ
06/21/22 9:56:29 PM
#268:


hsvhighlife posted...
Prove to me that Lia Thomas isn't transitioning solely for competitive advantage? oh wait you can't? and nobody else can? can the brigade please stop with this stupid ass straw man.
Pathetic. This is your damn claim, so piss or get off the pot. Don't expect other people to prove against your claim you can't prove.

Weak.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 9:56:35 PM
#269:


ZMythos posted...
So having no evidence for your claim makes you correct, somehow?

as opposed to having no evidence to disprove it? yea, I'll stick with my opinion on the matter

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GranAures
06/21/22 9:56:45 PM
#270:


hsvhighlife posted...
no, I don't think I will
Then we can all easily dismiss your concerns of people "transitioning to win" as nonsense.

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 9:57:17 PM
#271:


Breaking: Man claims support for science, then makes unsubstantiated claim and demands others prove him wrong.

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ZMythos
06/21/22 9:57:32 PM
#272:


hsvhighlife posted...
as opposed to having no evidence to disprove it? yea, I'll stick with my opinion on the matter
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

"You can't disprove the thing I said, so it must be true"


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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 9:58:29 PM
#273:


ZMythos posted...
"You can't disprove the thing I said, so my beliefs remain unchanged"

fixed that for you

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GranAures
06/21/22 9:58:34 PM
#274:


"Trans women are transitioning to win at sports. Prove me wrong." - hsvhighlife
"That's not how proof works." - literally everybody else

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CyricZ
06/21/22 9:58:50 PM
#275:


scorpion41 posted...
I like you better when youre suspended.
Telling women they're prettier with their mouth shut.

Like you say I'm twisting your words, but do you even listen to your own words?

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gunplagirl
06/21/22 9:58:59 PM
#276:


scorpion41 posted...
I like you better when youre suspended.
My last suspension was in 2019 and that was on an alt account. My last warning was a few weeks ago and before that, November.

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 9:59:05 PM
#277:


ZMythos posted...
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

"You can't disprove the thing I said, so it must be true"
Let's try the same thing.

hsvhighlife is wrong.

Holy shit it came true!

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greyfox747
06/21/22 9:59:12 PM
#278:


hsvhighlife posted...
fixed that for you
It seems like youre upset that facts dont agree with your feelings

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 9:59:51 PM
#279:


hsvhighlife posted...
fixed that for you
Wait. I thought you had science. Now you have beliefs?

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FaultyCircuitry
06/21/22 9:59:55 PM
#280:


There are so many things I want to say, but will get me back on the suspension train.

All I will say is this - if you do not support early trans medical care, but think trans women who haven't transitioned 'early enough' can't compete then you really need to familiarize yourself with life in Siberia.

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CyricZ
06/21/22 10:00:15 PM
#281:


Here comes the "lol I'm trolling now" from highlife.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:00:18 PM
#282:


greyfox747 posted...
It seems like youre upset that facts dont agree with your feelings

the facts don't disagree with them, either. i remain unphased. I am convinced there will be somebody who transitions solely for competitive advantage and will get busted for it.

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ZMythos
06/21/22 10:01:02 PM
#284:


hsvhighlife posted...
fixed that for you
That doesn't make what you said any less stupid.

The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim. AKA, you for saying that Lia Thomas transitioned so she could win in a swimming competition.


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greyfox747
06/21/22 10:01:24 PM
#285:


Now the goalposts have moved from people are transitioning just to win at sports to ok, I dont have any proof of it, but Im imagining a person that does do that, and Im very mad at that person!

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:01:29 PM
#286:


hockeybub89 posted...
Wait. I thought you had science. Now you have beliefs?

you are conflating my two positions I've taken, but do continue

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GranAures
06/21/22 10:01:30 PM
#287:


hsvhighlife posted...
I am convinced there will be somebody
Look at those goal posts

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:01:49 PM
#288:


greyfox747 posted...
Now the goalposts have moved from people are transitioning just to win at sports to ok, I dont have any proof of it, but Im imagining a person that does do that, and Im very mad at that person!

fight fire with fire

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 10:02:33 PM
#289:


hsvhighlife posted...
the facts don't disagree with them, either. i remain unphased. I am convinced there will be somebody who transitions solely for competitive advantage and will get busted for it.
Let's ban anyone from doing anything ever again because otherwise somebody will definitely do something immoral at some point.

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CyricZ
06/21/22 10:02:45 PM
#290:


hsvhighlife posted...
fight fire with fire
You know you can just leave the topic right? You don't have to stay and put up with this humiliation.

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 10:03:21 PM
#291:


hsvhighlife posted...
you are conflating my two positions I've taken, but do continue
Pick a lane. You get beliefs or you get science.

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FaultyCircuitry
06/21/22 10:03:32 PM
#292:


also considering that competing in womens sports is valued significantly less than mens by western society, why the fuck would someone transition just for the ability to compete there?

shut the fuck up with that bullshit

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gunplagirl
06/21/22 10:03:58 PM
#293:


hsvhighlife posted...
the facts don't disagree with them, either. i remain unphased. I am convinced there will be somebody who transitions solely for competitive advantage and will get busted for it.
With all the medical gatekeeping necessary to medically transition, this isn't happening. So sorry, but facts don't care about your delusional feelings.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:04:07 PM
#294:


hockeybub89 posted...
Let's ban anyone from doing anything ever again because otherwise somebody will definitely do something immoral at some point.

Once again, you've conflated my position. Let me help:
I'm in favor of the ban because of the irrefutable biological advantage. That is the science

I'm also in favor of the ban because I believe people would eventually abuse the irrefutable biological advantage. That is my belief.

See the difference?

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GranAures
06/21/22 10:04:17 PM
#295:


FaultyCircuitry posted...
also considering that competing in womens sports is valued significantly less than mens by western society, why the fuck would someone transition just for the ability to compete there?

shut the fuck up with that bullshit
Because you can't prove they don't, duh.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:04:38 PM
#296:


CyricZ posted...
You know you can just leave the topic right? You don't have to stay and put up with this humiliation.

lol, what is this

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gunplagirl
06/21/22 10:04:56 PM
#297:


hsvhighlife posted...
Once again, you've conflated my position. Let me help:
I'm in favor of the ban because of the irrefutable biological advantage. That is the science

I'm also in favor of the ban because I believe people would eventually abuse the irrefutable biological advantage. That is my belief.

See the difference?
They're not conflating the two when that's literally what you just said lmfao

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hockeybub89
06/21/22 10:07:13 PM
#298:


hsvhighlife posted...
Once again, you've conflated my position. Let me help:
I'm in favor of the ban because of the irrefutable biological advantage. That is the science

I'm also in favor of the ban because I believe people would eventually abuse the irrefutable biological advantage. That is my belief.

See the difference?
No, still looks like you hate trans people

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:08:45 PM
#299:


hockeybub89 posted...
No, still looks like you hate trans people

shaking my damn head, LOL

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ZMythos
06/21/22 10:09:17 PM
#300:


hsvhighlife posted...
I'm in favor of the ban because of the irrefutable biological advantage. That is the science
There are numerous "irrefutable biological advantages" present in sports that exist outside of gender, and to a more significant degree. Yet you choose to focus on this one.

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:09:51 PM
#301:


ZMythos posted...
There are numerous "irrefutable biological advantages" present in sports that exist outside of gender, and to a more significant degree. Yet you choose to focus on this one.


*rereads the topic title & it's content*. yes this does seem to be the right place to focus on this specific issue

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FaultyCircuitry
06/21/22 10:10:15 PM
#302:


hsvhighlife posted...
shaking my damn head, LOL

maybe if you shake hard enough you'll find a thought with some value in there

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hsvhighlife
06/21/22 10:10:49 PM
#303:


FaultyCircuitry posted...
maybe if you shake hard enough you'll find a thought with some value in there
one could hope, eh?

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GranAures
06/21/22 10:10:54 PM
#304:


"We should ban trans women because somebody might abuse it to win."
Sounds familiar...
Something about bathrooms?
Can't allow trans women in bathrooms because somebody might abuse it?
Nah, must be going crazy.

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