Current Events > Lia Thomas BANNED as FINA votes to restrict transgender women from competitions

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Also I just want to point out how funny the double narrative that's going on here actually is.

Sports competitions are both completely unimportant and also vital to keeping trans people from being murdered.

Also this. Though they'll maintain that cis women should just be fine with whatever, because of course they themselves have nothing to lose in doing so and everything to gain.

Openly excluding us from aspects of life all others can take for granted as well as aspects that might bring us fame and renown?

Fame and renoun from whom? Most people don't even accept those as legitimate wins, most everyone is well aware of the advantages that male puberty gives you. These sports victories just aren't the glorious achievements you say they are to most people.

Well this is abusive.

Fame and renoun from whom? Most people don't even accept those as legitimate wins, most everyone is well aware of the advantages that male puberty gives you. These sports victories just aren't the glorious achievements you say they are to most people.

I see no one has yet met that other user's challenge ITT of finding a ftm who dominated the male competition, btw.

No, it's the way most people see things.

Also I just want to point out how funny the double narrative that's going on here actually is.

Sports competitions are both completely unimportant and also vital to keeping trans people from being murdered.

No, it's the way most people see things.

Also I just want to point out how funny the double narrative that's going on here actually is.

Sports competitions are both completely unimportant and also vital to keeping trans people from being murdered.

Fame and renoun from whom? Most people don't even accept those as legitimate wins, most everyone is well aware of the advantages that male puberty gives you. These sports victories just aren't the glorious achievements you say they are to most people.

I see no one has yet met that other user's challenge ITT of finding a ftm who dominated the male competition, btw.

Trans people might care about actually seeing other trans people doing things. It's something cisgender people have have never had to think about along those lines.

Yep. I have my heroes, my representation in media, everywhere even. Not everybody does and to claim that certain groups shouldn't be allowed to have those role models and representation(or they don't really count) is disgusting.

The issue is fairness in women's sport.

The issue is fairness in women's sport

Conservatives: "Trans people are a tiny minority."

Also conservatives: "Real women will never succeed or have fun in sports ever again if we let the trans compete."

feelings aside, the fact is that there is tremendous athletic advantage to being a late transitioning male to female transgender athlete. it's indisputable and is only logical that the rules are catching up to the science

feelings aside, the fact is that there is tremendous athletic advantage to being a late transitioning male to female transgender athlete. it's indisputable and is only logical that the rules are catching up to the science

Unfortunately, when the science doesnt support their advocacy it either has to be wrong or fabricated. Science obviously doesnt change with stuff like this.

Then maybe we shouldn't be baring early transitioning.

then there must be a push to allow earlier trans medical care, if you are against this then just admit you don't want trans people to be allowed to compete at all

lets say the science supports this (even tho real world results don't *shrug* guess those are just anecdotal or something)

fine, you can have that

then there must be a push to allow earlier trans medical care, if you are against this then just admit you don't want trans people to be allowed to compete at all

which in this case training their entire early male career to compete as a female.

So you think people transition just to win at sports?

So you hate trans people. You don't want us to transition early and you won't let us do anything if we don't.

I do disagree with early transitioning, as well as allowing trans women to compete with cis women. Take it how you will, but to me this is no different than training with steroids and prohormones and then coming off in time for competition, which in this case training their entire early male career to compete as a female.

of course there are people that do this

So you think people transition just to win at sports?

So you hate trans people. You don't want us to transition early and you won't let us do anything if we don't.

There's nobody you can name though and it's fucking bigoted to suggest as some vague common thing of the trans community.

No, I just dont let emotions cloud reasoning. I think we should allow the brain to develop more fully to ensure the candidate understands fully what they are undergoing and can handle the stress. Erring on the side of safety is not hatred.

And as Ive stated, trans women have physiological advantages from training as a male athlete that cis women dont have. If we bar competitors who use PEDs and hormones to keep competition fair, then barring trans women who have trained as males is fair as well.

So they can never compete. They can't transition early because you think we allow children to make this decision on their own. And since they can't transition early they are bared from competing period.

Thereby it stands to reason that you just don't want trans women in sports.

Lia Thomas can still compete against men, like she has nearly her entire career

They can be women or they can be a successful athlete but never both because how dare they.

That's what you're saying.

So they can never compete. They can't transition early because you think we allow children to make this decision on their own. And since they can't transition early they are bared from competing period.

Thereby it stands to reason that you just don't want trans women in sports.

So you hate trans people. You don't want us to transition early and you won't let us do anything if we don't.

No, you're saying that a transwoman would never be successful competing against men. which is bigoted, based on all the arguments presented in this topic

Hey, if they allow preteen transitioning and can guarantee the childs safety during the procedure, then Id say go for it and let them compete. They lose any hormonal advantages and never develop physiological advantages. But, until they can guarantee it I wont agree with it. I also wont agree with late transitioning women competing against their cis counterparts. And the science supports my argument.

it really just sounds like you've got a persecution complex.

there were people fucking using deer antler spray just for the athletic edge. you really don't think people would take transitional hormones in order increase their chances of winning in a different class?

So until you are personally 110% happy with the procedures fuck trans women. Gotcha.

I have a persecution complex because you can't name any people who fraudulently transitioned and endured years of hormones and public and personal life shaming and such... to win at women's sports which pays considerably less than men's and also comes at the cost of extreme scrutiny which is why if there'd be any cases of this you'd have tons of stories about them. Spoiler alert, there's fucking none.

oh give me a break. you're being naive if you don't think there are people in this world that would do this.

You don't want late transitioning to compete. I won't argue this.

You don't agree with early transitioning unless you are 110% sure of the safety.

I hope you never have a trans child that aspires to be an athlete. Because you would bar them from transitioning which would in turn bar them from competing.

oh give me a break. you're being naive if you don't think there are people in this world that would do this.

Thats not what I implied so dont twist my words.