Current Events > Lia Thomas BANNED as FINA votes to restrict transgender women from competitions

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And again, you're wrong and flat out perpetuating bigotry.

ah yes, show me the sport that has a classification other than Man/Woman. Still waiting on that.

ITT: hormones aren't biological

gunplagirl posted...

ITT: hormones aren't biological

ITT: bigger bone structure thus stronger muscles and tendons isn't biological either

voldothegr8 posted...

ITT: bigger bone structure thus stronger muscles and tendons isn't biological either

So fat people and tall people with big bones are cheaters, I fucking knew it. The NBA and NFL are cheating hard working players out of jobs.

All of those unbiological bones

ktownslayer16 posted...

Lia Thomas is a full grown biological man. Why should women have to compete against that?

No, Lia is a woman.

Sorry sweaty, but facts don't care about your fee fees.

Never heard an Olympic sport described as "female swimming" it's "womens."

Also literally an Ottawa Senators fan acting like they know anything at all. Fucking rich

gunplagirl posted...

So fat people and tall people with big bones are cheaters, I fucking knew it. The NBA and NFL are cheating hard working players out of jobs.

Well fat people don't have bigger skeletal structures they just weigh it down more, one of many reasons its unhealthy to be fat. As for being tall, while not cheating most of the world's top athletes are tall.

voldothegr8 posted...

Well fat people don't have bigger skeletal structures they just weigh it down more, one of many reasons its unhealthy to be fat. As for being tall, while not cheating most of the world's top athletes are tall.

So it's an unfair advantage though, longer muscles. Just like I quoted.

ZMythos posted...

Flat out saying that trans women aren't women does, however.

I mean, I've always thought that trans-women aren't women. Not because I'm trying to be a prick about it, more so because I recognise them as trans-women. It's a pretty clear and reasonable distinction to make I thought. They're still women, just with a trans-prefix.

Of course, feel free to educate me further on it.

trans isn't a prefix. it's an adjective. (in this context. it can be a prefix in other uses. usually chemistry)

trans woman. black woman. tall woman. woman who is <adjective>.

Fair enough, cheers for the correction.

gunplagirl posted...

So it's an unfair advantage though, longer muscles. Just like I quoted.

Lol what. More like a fair advantage. Only unfair if they use steroids, HGH, or any other banned substance.

What is this comparison?

FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...

Lol what. More like a fair advantage. Only unfair if they use steroids, HGH, or any other banned substance.

What is this comparison?

One that shows off the hypocrisy.

"Trans women are fully grown men" - ktown
"I'm not a bigot" - also ktown
Yet I'm sure he's fine with the likes of Mack Beggs competing with women despite being a trans man

scorpion41 posted...

Honestly, I think some of you are picking fights for the sake of picking fights because you have a majority on this board

Some of us are "picking fights" because we realize others don't have what we take for granted. Some people don't have athletes or super heroes they can look at and relate to and when asked for more they are told "you have gdq so be happy, you don't need athletes or super heroes," they get told people like them are cheating just for existing and daring to compete, they get told they're rights don't matter, and that they're just fully grown men.

GranAures posted...

"you have gdq so be happy,

This did make me snort, ngl

GranAures posted...

"Trans women are fully grown men" - ktown
"I'm not a bigot" - also ktown
Yet I'm sure he's fine with the likes of Mack Beggs competing with women despite being a trans man

People just pivot to "all trans people should compete with the men" which completely invalidates their original argument

greyfox747 posted...

This did make me snort, ngl

Yeah, like everybody likes speedruns. I love speedruns so I watch the vods but to claim they should be happy with representation in a field they may not enjoy is pretty stupid.

Ya know, this topic might be a giant shit show, but I actually feel like I've learned a lot from it.

Thank you.

scorpion41 posted...

Can anyone actually read, or is it a habit to twist words around when the overall argument doesnt suit your tastes?

When you cap off a post that includes your distaste for children beginning transition, what other conclusion is someone supposed to come to?

Even if you don't claim the science supports that particular belief, it still makes you inconsistent since studies are suggesting that transitioning early should be encouraged for those that need it. The fact that you disagree with that means you're willing to accept some scientific findings but not others, specifically when those findings are in support of trans issues. Why would anyone view that as a good faith argument?

hockeybub89 posted...

What does more trans women than trans men winning competitions matter when neither is winning at any significant rate?

Because that's not true. You can't even produce a single mtf winner whereas I can produce many mtf winners.

hockeybub89 posted...

And you're still ignoring that FINA must know the current societal views on trans people and how that makes this a de facto ban. It might even have been intentional.

I already addressed this: it's not their problem. You don't have the right to their advocacy efforts just because you feel like you deserve them. Their business is the integrity of water sports, not any special interest pet issues.

"Special interest pet issues"

As far as I'm concerned cis people are a special interests group and if we need to throw out your rights to get shit done to improve society, that's acceptable. After all, society is much larger than just cis people.

gunplagirl posted...

So fat people and tall people with big bones are cheaters, I fucking knew it. The NBA and NFL are cheating hard working players out of jobs.

This shit is so disingenuous, lol. The logical conclusion to this is NO weight or sex divisions in any sport. Talk about wanting certain people to never be able to compete, wew. Do this and see as women never win a single competition in any field ever again. Oh and that includes most trans women btw (except ones that literally haven't transitioned yet I guess).

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

This shit is so disingenuous, lol. The logical conclusion to this is NO weight or sex divisions in any sport. Talk about wanting certain people to never be able to compete, wew. Do this and see as women never win a single competition in any field ever again. Oh and that includes most trans women btw (except ones that literally haven't transitioned yet I guess).

I didn't say anything about weight divisions, stop putting words into my mouth. This is so intellectually dishonest and twisting my argument whatever way you want to strawman me. It should be suspension worthy to do this shit.

Gwynevere posted...

When you cap off a post that includes your distaste for children beginning transition, what other conclusion is someone supposed to come to?

Even if you don't claim the science supports that particular belief, it still makes you inconsistent since studies are suggesting that transitioning early should be encouraged for those that need it. The fact that you disagree with that means you're willing to accept some scientific findings but not others, specifically when those findings are in support of trans issues. Why would anyone view that as a good faith argument?

The same way trans advocates bring up the point you just made concerning early transitioning, but ignore the science that trans athletes have an unfair advantage compared to their cis counterparts. I guess this thread is doomed to go round and round with both sides ignoring things that they dont like.

scorpion41 posted...

ignore the science that trans athletes have an unfair advantage

What science proves that trans athletes have an unfair advantage?

gunplagirl posted...

"Special interest pet issues"

As far as I'm concerned cis people are a special interests group and if we need to throw out your rights to get shit done to improve society, that's acceptable. After all, society is much larger than just cis people.

It really isn't though. It's only about .6% larger, actually.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

You can try I guess, lol.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

The logical conclusion to this is NO weight or sex divisions in any sport.

Great idea! Many sports already use Elo-esque ranking systems and many more are easily compatible with it. Group athletes into divisions based on similar rankings and remove age/sex/gender/height/weight from the equation entirely.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It really isn't though. It's only about .6% larger, actually.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

You can try I guess, lol.

Shut up and stop pushing your cis agenda in this topic about transgender athletes.

gunplagirl posted...

I didn't say anything about weight divisions, stop putting words into my mouth.

Except you literally mentioned fat people. And your whole argument hinges on the idea that any physical advantage can be considered unfair, which means weight divisions should be redundant, as well as gender divisions. You don't seem very committed to this line of reasoning I've got to say...almost like you're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

Giblet really enjoying that trans people are a small enough population bracket that he can feel comfortable shitting on them.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Except you literally mentioned fat people. And your whole argument hinges on the idea that any physical advantage can be considered unfair, which means weight divisions should be redundant, as well as gender divisions. You don't seem very committed to this line of reasoning I've got to say...almost like you're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

You're adding stuff to my argument to strawman and now you're just full on making shit up to accuse me of making things up. Honestly it's a miracle you are alive with how little self awareness you seem to possess.

gunplagirl posted...

Shut up and stop pushing your cis agenda in this topic about transgender athletes.

This thread is as much about cis athletes as it is about trans athletes.

CyricZ posted...

Giblet really enjoying that trans people are a small enough population bracket that he can feel comfortable shitting on them.

I think he just wants to join the other modded posters ITT. He's repeating a lot of the same arguments.

Maybe he can avoid the blatant transphobia.

If a Male-to-Female transgender person transitioned early and underwent female puberty (to the extent possible with HRT) then they can still compete.

Also this is an international organization relevant to international competitions like the Olympics. So itll affect like a dozen transpeople every year if they are otherwise good enough athletes to even qualify. Its unfortunate for them.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

This thread is as much about cis athletes as it is about trans athletes.

Are cis athletes being banned? No, so you're pushing an agenda.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

It really isn't though. It's only about .6% larger, actually.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

You can try I guess, lol.

So since they only represent .6% they don't deserve rights or role models. Got ya

iPhone_7 posted...

Also this is an international organization relevant to international competitions like the Olympics.

An international organization that isn't nearly as restrictive.

hockeybub89 posted...

Weird how you said the world agrees with you and then think there are major Western nations where they've legalized unscientific child abuse for some... woke agenda or something.

Gwynevere posted...

The thing is, scorpion disagrees with early transition and claims the science supports his argument, but we literally just had a thread the other day with studies showing most young people don't change their mind about being trans or regret their decision to transition. He doesn't give a shit about actual studies or their findings

I'm curious as to why two people advocating for trans issues seem to have opposite views on this crucial part of it while being so ardent that their perspective is the right, obvious and just one.

GranAures posted...

So since they only represent .6% they don't deserve rights or role models. Got ya

No I said they don't get to do whatever they want by virtue of being a minority.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No I said they don't get to do whatever they want by virtue of being a minority.

So the majority does get to do whatever they want?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

No I said they don't get to do whatever they want by virtue of being a minority.

You also said they should be happy with just having gdq for representation.

A channel that I should remind supports trans rights.

But they should just shut up and be happy according to you.

gunplagirl posted...

So the majority does get to do whatever they want?

Bingo. He's part of the "majority" and doesn't belive other people deserve rights for being the minority

gunplagirl posted...

Are cis athletes being banned? No, so you're pushing an agenda.

Not everything is about oppression, some things are about protection, believe it or not.

Also, has no one still addressed my earlier post clarifying this rule? They clearly stated that there's some wiggle room for puberty blocked post-12-year-olds. That's being completely lost in all this REEEEEEing.

gunplagirl posted...

So the majority does get to do whatever they want?

No, the majority has been behaving themselves and staying in their lane, by and large.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

protection

Who needs protection, and from who.

And I ask that you really think about this one.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

That's being completely lost in all this -ing

ah yes, also ableist as well

hope you don't pretend to care about autistic people since you're fine with just mocking them as well

GranAures posted...

Bingo. He's part of the "majority" and doesn't belive other people deserve rights for being the minority

I don't get what you're having trouble with. People don't get special rights just because they'll feel bad without them, same way I don't get them. I don't get to compete against females, and neither do they. It's rather uncomplicated when you put aside the politics, really.