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Judgmenl
08/05/22 6:06:42 PM
#253:


@hera because I know you're obsessed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDyGSdLp98Q

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keyblader1985
08/05/22 6:12:45 PM
#254:


I always seem to get introspective whenever i finish up a convention. Nothing really major this time; I was just thinking about how the course of my life changed back in 2008 when I was sitting at a library reading manga, and a guy named David approached me and introduced my to a local anime club he ran.

I started being more social with anime/games, I was opened to the idea of actually going to a convention (although it was a few years later that I finally did go), and David taught me to be more proactive with my interests. If it wasn't for that day I wouldn't be going to any conventions at all, let alone working for them.

I once said I'd like to do this as a career, but I've learned that that's not really practical unless you're very high up on the chain; most of the people I was working with/for at the con still had day jobs. Still, I love being involved in this stuff even if it's unpaid, and don't see myself stopping unless the opportunities around me simply dry up.

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agesboy
08/06/22 12:07:05 AM
#255:


oh shit my 2nd favorite isekai is getting an anime

https://www.amazon.com/Reborn-Vending-Machine-Wander-Dungeon/dp/031647911X

one of the few isekai where the main character doesn't shore up their obvious initial weaknesses borne from their interesting start. mc just becomes a better vending machine every time he powers up. it's even implied that he could become more human-like if he wanted to invest in it, but the guy's a diehard vending machine freak and would rather gain the ability to wash clothes than speak or walk

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FellWolf
08/06/22 1:28:22 AM
#256:


Judgmenl posted...
@hera because I know you're obsessed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDyGSdLp98Q
Looks great!

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Judgmenl
08/06/22 2:57:47 PM
#257:


All I can tell you is that secret romance is OP of the season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QymnTfHHC7c

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I_Abibde
08/06/22 7:31:47 PM
#258:


Season 4 of Danmachi is holding up. The LN fans are being slightly less ... obtuse than normal.

Rewatching Star Fleet / X-Bomber before it leaves Retro Crush on Tuesday. I may have mentioned it here before, but, despite not technically being anime (q.v. Thunderbolt Fantasy), it is still a Go Nagai project. Big part of my childhood.

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FellWolf
08/07/22 1:15:29 AM
#259:


Tower of God season 2 confirmed.

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YoukaiSlayer
08/07/22 8:56:15 PM
#260:


FellWolf posted...
Tower of God season 2 confirmed.
Hell yeah, we can actually get the real story now instead of the bait prologue. I'm quite interested to see some of the locations come to life in animation. Hope it's not too far off. Also hope they adapt it at a reasonable pace instead of rushing it too much.

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Count_Drachma
08/09/22 2:05:40 AM
#261:


Kinda getting scared by how long my backlog has become, between games, anime, manga, films, etc.

I'll have an epic binge one of these days.

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keyblader1985
08/09/22 12:41:42 PM
#262:


We gotta talk about the latest Academia. Did Bakugou really just fucking die??

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hera
08/09/22 1:32:56 PM
#263:


it's fuckin good right

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FellWolf
08/14/22 1:48:23 AM
#264:


I ordered a booster box of Hololive Swiss Schwarz cards. I wish I've banked enough karma to pull a Suisei SP or SSP.


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Lokarin
08/14/22 7:02:17 AM
#265:


Kubo and the Two Strings is the Bleach finale, right?

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Judgmenl
08/14/22 6:48:56 PM
#266:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh5u83DGHWM
I really cannot recommend this guy's series enough. He has put in over 2 years making this video series, and it almost did not conclude due to how toxic the Mega Man Battle Network community can be. He had like zero knowledge of the series before starting and even less about the community and the series was almost canceled because of some stupid Twitch emote fiasco.

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adjl
08/16/22 12:51:01 PM
#267:


So the ending of chapter 5/beginning of 6 in Xenoblade 3 is quite possibly one of the best story moments in the entire series. I genuinely lost sleep because I went to bed after the chapter end save and didn't find out what happened in chapter 6 until the next day and that was such a massive cliffhanger. I think there's a lot of room to criticize the story pacing because so many of these cutscene sequences are so long, to the point where I'm not sure this should even be a video game story instead of an anime or whatever series of its own, but holy shit that was an amazing "episode."

That's all.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
skells isn't a word at all.

It's just truncated from "exoskeleton," which I felt fit pretty well in context (that is, military engineers saying "we just developed this exoskeleton and we need a one-syllable colloquial name but we're engineers so we're just going to pull a syllable from the word 'exoskeleton' instead of being really creative" and a bunch of soldiers saying "hey that sounds cool" and that being the end of it). "Dolls" would also have worked, but that's got enough of a juvenile/feminine connotation in the west that it would have felt kind of weird and out of place in the context of a serious sci-fi military, so I can understand changing it even though it was contextually appropriate.

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dragon504
08/17/22 8:25:10 PM
#268:


In chapter 7 of Xeno 2 and over 100 hours on my save file. I'm definitely finding this world more enjoyable than the first Xeno and looking forward to the third as well, though I don't have it yet.

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YoukaiSlayer
08/17/22 9:04:27 PM
#269:


In xenoblade 3 I got to chapter 5 and can finally explore the new area and damn it feels like everything opened up. I was kind of disappointed with the locations up to this point but this makes me very excited to explore.

Already found a cave with level 100 enemies and got a relic in there for 40% healing bonus. Also managed to take some of the smaller groups and got up to level 87. Hard is pretty dang hard when I'm close to the enemies level. I cleaned up some of the level 80ish unique monsters but they took some attempts. Ultimately playing as an incursor and having the rest of the party with 3 tanks (2 with memory lockets) and 3 healers was the solution to both. Godlike crastor obliterated my team when it was squishy but wore my team down when I didn't have enough damage to take him down relatively quickly. What a great game. Although I remember I left a level 80 UM at some point when I was level 65ish but I forgot where it was. I think it's somewhere in the desert region.

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Revelation34
08/18/22 1:56:43 AM
#270:


Playing 1 right now. Was fighting a quest monster and a fucking level 80+ monster popped out of nowhere when I was about to beat the other one.

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Judgmenl
08/18/22 10:26:22 AM
#271:


English cover of Honey Jet Coaster is currently stuck in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMHf3l2vyjU

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T0ffee
08/18/22 12:08:41 PM
#272:


Revelation34 posted...
Playing 1 right now. Was fighting a quest monster and a fucking level 80+ monster popped out of nowhere when I was about to beat the other one.

Classic.

Welcome to xenoblade.

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agesboy
08/18/22 3:01:14 PM
#273:


Revelation34 posted...
Playing 1 right now. Was fighting a quest monster and a fucking level 80+ monster popped out of nowhere when I was about to beat the other one.
was it territorial rotbart

everyone has died to him

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Revelation34
08/18/22 4:02:20 PM
#274:


agesboy posted...

was it territorial rotbart

everyone has died to him


It was some giant raptor. I have to leave another alone because I'm not strong enough yet. I'll just have to advance the story a bit next week then take it on.

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YoukaiSlayer
08/18/22 6:49:55 PM
#275:


This weeks danmachi was pretty awesome. I'm getting quite a solid dose of adventure fantasy anime this season and I'm all for it.

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adjl
08/19/22 9:51:50 AM
#276:


dragon504 posted...
In chapter 7 of Xeno 2 and over 100 hours on my save file. I'm definitely finding this world more enjoyable than the first Xeno and looking forward to the third as well, though I don't have it yet.

Chapter 7 is around when it starts actually getting good because the story isn't just "rawr give us ur girlfriend" "oh no please don't take my girlfriend." 2's core plot is pretty straightforward and unremarkable, but there are a lot of interesting revelations that come in the form of character development and world-building (especially around the villains; most of the party characters are just kind of there, including Rex) that make the whole thing really enjoyable, and most of those start rolling in during and after chapter 7. It's kind of unfortunate how back-loaded the exposition is, because it means the first ~75-80% of the game is pretty forgettable (chapter 7 is quite long, but 8-9-10 come very quickly), but overall it is quite good. It's also a little awkward because a ton of side quests (including quite a few blade quests) open up during those later chapters, but it's horribly inconsistent with the story to go do them instead of progressing, but that's not really anything unusual for JRPG's.

Have you bought the DLC yet? I strongly recommend it just for Torna, which is not without its faults, but I absolutely loved because it added to much to that character- and world-building. Challenge Mode is also great because it gives you an actual incentive to try to make the combat system work in your favour, given that the base game is easy enough that you can generally just faceroll everything but the hardest superbosses.

Revelation34 posted...
Playing 1 right now. Was fighting a quest monster and a fucking level 80+ monster popped out of nowhere when I was about to beat the other one.

Sounds about right. Pretty much all of them have some exceptionally powerful enemies roaming around lower-level areas. They can be a little annoying, but you learn to avoid them pretty quickly, and coming back later to punch Rotbart in the dick is immensely satisfying (especially with a party that's like level 60, just to rub it in).

YoukaiSlayer posted...
In xenoblade 3 I got to chapter 5 and can finally explore the new area and damn it feels like everything opened up. I was kind of disappointed with the locations up to this point but this makes me very excited to explore.

Already found a cave with level 100 enemies and got a relic in there for 40% healing bonus. Also managed to take some of the smaller groups and got up to level 87. Hard is pretty dang hard when I'm close to the enemies level. I cleaned up some of the level 80ish unique monsters but they took some attempts. Ultimately playing as an incursor and having the rest of the party with 3 tanks (2 with memory lockets) and 3 healers was the solution to both. Godlike crastor obliterated my team when it was squishy but wore my team down when I didn't have enough damage to take him down relatively quickly. What a great game. Although I remember I left a level 80 UM at some point when I was level 65ish but I forgot where it was. I think it's somewhere in the desert region.

You're 87 in chapter 5? I only just hit 60 in early chapter 7. Clearly you're taking a much less direct route than I did, though I've made a point of not doing too many sidequests so as to avoid overlevelling and tanking CP gains. I hope you've at least got Soul Hack available to take advantage of all the UM's you've been killing, though at least there's the option of fast travelling to tombstones if you want to take down one you've already done.

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I_Abibde
08/19/22 10:47:44 AM
#277:


So Netflix remade Bastard and I only found out a couple of days ago. Binging it now. Faithful to the manga in all of its politically incorrect glory.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
This weeks danmachi was pretty awesome. I'm getting quite a solid dose of adventure fantasy anime this season and I'm all for it.

Definitely benefiting from a longer episode order, this season.

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YoukaiSlayer
08/19/22 3:00:49 PM
#278:


adjl posted...
You're 87 in chapter 5? I only just hit 60 in early chapter 7. Clearly you're taking a much less direct route than I did, though I've made a point of not doing too many sidequests so as to avoid overlevelling and tanking CP gains. I hope you've at least got Soul Hack available to take advantage of all the UM's you've been killing, though at least there's the option of fast travelling to tombstones if you want to take down one you've already done.
I was actually 78 in chapter 3. I always do all possible optional stuff before proceeding. If I'm going to be overleveled for any part of the game, I'd prefer it be the story even though it creates dissonance when I obliterate some moebeus in the gameplay in 20 seconds and then my party is getting it's ass kicked in the cutscene.

I also do not have soulhacker yet. I've got every job on the class screen before soul hacker. I figure with the tombstones though it won't be a huge deal. Currently learning signifier and monicas class on everyone as well as leveling medic gunner to 20 on everyone since I finally got that side story. Although I see lanz side story is available according to the hero roster. I expect all this grinding to put me close to 99. I'm not sure if I wanna use bonus xp or not. I have enough for like 4 levels but I kind of feel it might be more satisfying grinding it out manually since it doesn't take long with overkill on elite enemies. Same with cp. You can learn and master a new class in like 5-10 minutes with an on level elite enemy overkill.

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agesboy
08/19/22 4:50:35 PM
#279:


neco arc and mash are in melty blood now

neco arc is exactly what i'd hoped she'd be

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T0ffee
08/19/22 6:23:20 PM
#280:


Haven't bought the game yet, but I've been made aware of how easy it is to overlevel and how being overleveled makes you stop earning class points.

So now, I'm holding out hope that Xeno 3 will add a level down option for the regular game in a patch or something.

Or at the very least an option to disable exp while still gaining cp.

I'm the type to do every sidequest when it becomes available so I definitely ran into overleveling problems for all 3 of the past xenoblade games.

Expert mode was a godsend for 1-remake and the difficulty sliders were a good addition for 2.

If they added something like that for 3, I might go ahead and get it then.

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YoukaiSlayer
08/19/22 7:51:06 PM
#281:


T0ffee posted...
how being overleveled makes you stop earning class points.
This is so much less of an issue than people make it out to be. At worst you warp to a grinding spot and max out the new class in like 15 minutes. Way faster if you don't mind dropping the difficulty to easy for the grinding (which I do mind, will never drop it from hard).

Also you unlock leveling down in post game. You can also level classes with nopon coins.

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FellWolf
08/20/22 1:31:42 AM
#282:


I now have the Nene SSP signed Weiss Schwarz card

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hera
08/20/22 5:58:28 PM
#283:


omg

after two years HEARTGEAR RETURNS

http://imgur.com/a/ThB0rFf

i have forgotten everything.

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keyblader1985
08/20/22 6:12:19 PM
#284:


Was the series being stalled or just the scans?

The bad thing about manga as opposed to anime is that the scanners often just drop them, and you're left high and dry. That doesn't happen as often with anime, and frequently when it does happen someone else will usually pick it up.

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hera
08/20/22 6:13:07 PM
#285:


it just stopped, it was only meant to go on hiatus for a few months

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adjl
08/22/22 7:22:57 AM
#286:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
I was actually 78 in chapter 3. I always do all possible optional stuff before proceeding. If I'm going to be overleveled for any part of the game, I'd prefer it be the story even though it creates dissonance when I obliterate some moebeus in the gameplay in 20 seconds and then my party is getting it's ass kicked in the cutscene.

Fair. Even at-level, I've had quite a few boss fights where I've successfully killed the boss with a chain attack, but then the cutscene has shown me losing to them, so I suspect some of the scripted boss fight triggers may not be overriding chain attacks the way they should.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
This is so much less of an issue than people make it out to be. At worst you warp to a grinding spot and max out the new class in like 15 minutes. Way faster if you don't mind dropping the difficulty to easy for the grinding (which I do mind, will never drop it from hard).

Indeed. It means you actually have to deliberately grind classes, instead of getting a steady rotation of new playstyles organically as you play through the story (which I've been quite enjoying), but there's never really a shortage of at-level enemies if you go looking for them and grinding to 10 doesn't take all that long (and goes faster when enemy levels are higher anyway). Being able to de-level would be nice, but the issue is largely overstated.

That said, from what I've heard, the best CP grinding method becomes available at/near endgame, with regular enemies that give 4-500 CP each and can be burst down in seconds with the right setup, which is much faster than charging up and sitting through chain attacks. Given that getting classes to 20 is mostly a matter of increasing power and not so much a matter of trying out new gameplay (outside of a couple strategies that rely on other classes' talent arts, like putting the Troubadour one on Mio as a Signifer to enable a trick that makes the whole party invincible), that's really not bad.

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Judgmenl
08/22/22 9:51:44 PM
#287:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rLihz4cQ4E
Probably one of Sunrise/Bamco's best MVs. The animation quality is super good. Probably the best time to get into Love Live if you've ever thought about it in the past. Superstar is shaping up to be better than both Sunshine and Nijigasaki.

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hera
08/23/22 4:39:46 AM
#288:


oh and fuck mha

because

fuck it i don't care for it anymore

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keyblader1985
08/23/22 8:48:47 AM
#289:


I'm not that upset about it, but I do think it was too sudden, and we're really not close enough for a satisfying ending yet.

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hera
08/23/22 9:59:16 PM
#290:


im fine with it happening

but don't do it while also having him get shit on

like there's no reason, they coulda let him actually do something meaningful

as it was, it was like throwing a toddler into a pit with a real hungry bear

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YoukaiSlayer
08/26/22 10:48:51 AM
#291:


Watched season 1 and almost caught up on season 2 of classroom of the elite. I like it a lot more than I expected to. From the premise I expected something like prison school without the ecchi or humor but it's actually far lower stakes than that. The worst that can really happen is you have to eat bland lunches and you can't buy more tv's and video games. Well, I guess the worst that happens is you get expelled but that's not really unreasonable at a fancy private school if you do poorly.

The first season was kind of just ok until the island arc which was pretty decent and then the last like 10 seconds of the first season was kind of a crazy thing to just drop and then not get back to for 4-5 years.

Season 2, due to the thing at the end of season 1, has been quite a bit better.

I also gotta praise the main character. I really can't think of another similar protagonist. He's so passive. So many times you'd think the main character would step in and do the right thing, but he's fine just watching and letting whatever happen. It's a level of patience mixed with apathy that I don't think I've seen. The closest I can think of is the main guy from hyouka but that's still not that close.

Additionally, koenji is based. He's basically the sigma male meme.

Oh and the ending theme is really good. i listen to it every time. OP is solid as well but not enough to listen to the whole thing each time.

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YoukaiSlayer
08/28/22 4:49:08 AM
#292:


So finally finished all the side content I could find in xenoblade 3 and continued on with the story and reached chapter 6. I thought the end of chapter 5 was awful. Every action made no sense. Guess I gotta go into spoilers to complain more.

Why did M swap and then let the party get captured? They gained literally no advantage by waiting for the homecoming. N was still there, X was still there who probably wasn't even in M's plans to begin with, the fake queen was there, Z had a good month of time to figure it out as well. Like, M could have just let us fight N to begin with. Nothing changed about our fighting strength in that month. M died for no reason. Especially because as far as we know, M's power should work on N. He'd be helpless.

Then theres other frustrations. Why do jrpgs insist on this win in the game, lose in the cutscene bullshit. I get that I'm overleveled (i hit 99) but I won the fight with ease. Why is the fight not just a cutscene? That goes for the M fight too. I beat the fight, THEN they tell me how to beat M. Also man, Lanz strategy was actually correct, they just needed to spread out and all attack M. Literally nothing she chould do other than stop at most 2 attackers out of 6. My gameplay performance should be rewarded in the story. Don't write stories where the main player controlled party has to lose. It's really not that hard to avoid.

There's then a bit of technical mess up. When the blade calling was sealed, it wasn't stopped completely, it just disappeared before being fully formed. Seems very plausible to at least try to attack in that moment when it's partially formed to destroy the iron bars. Also, they explain earlier but the circles on lanz armor is because it's a powerframe and the circles are still lit up so he and probably sena should have been able to bash down that door without calling blades. Especially if it was just iron. The gaps are also easily large enough for the smaller party members to slip through, especially the nopon.

Why did the lost numbers not show up until right AFTER the eclipse? The had like a week of prep time and showed up minutes too late for no reason and didn't even attempt to destroy the annihilator cannon.

Finally, why didn't noah attempt to draw lucky seven? It's not a blade. Riku even tells him to draw it, Noah breaks free for a moment, and...doesn't even try. Wtf? I was so angry watching that. Every damn xenoblade has to ruin it's story in the latter half.

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hera
08/28/22 12:42:51 PM
#293:


not even Xenoblade, every xeno game.

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hera
08/29/22 1:58:31 AM
#294:


oh fuck edgeshot is going in

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agesboy
08/29/22 3:01:22 AM
#295:


got xenoblade 3 a few days ago and i'm somewhere around chapter 7 now

they mutilated fewer names this time but that just makes it all the more confusing when characters like Miyabi don't get renamed but Nina (Alexandria) and Rudy (Valdi) do
YoukaiSlayer posted...
I thought the end of chapter 5 was awful. Every action made no sense.
good thing your plot hole complaints are directly addressed at the start of next chapter!

M wanted to die via homecoming annihilation

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dragon504
08/29/22 3:21:25 AM
#296:


agesboy posted...
got xenoblade 3 a few days ago and i'm somewhere around chapter 7 now

they mutilated fewer names this time but that just makes it all the more confusing when characters like Miyabi don't get renamed but Nina (Alexandria) and Rudy (Valdi) do

good thing your plot hole complaints are directly addressed at the start of next chapter!

M wanted to die via homecoming annihilation

I'm near the beginning of chapter 9 of Xeno 2. Don't have the dlc, but I am interested in getting it. Glad to hear there's less name fuckery in the third one.

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agesboy
08/29/22 3:45:49 AM
#297:


Most name changes I've noticed are pretty minor things that at least somewhat still resemble the original name and don't sound too bad. Stuff like Isurugi -> Isurd is whatever.

I do think Yuzuriha -> Juniper just sounds like a worse name, though. And whatever symbolism retention they were going for with Mashiro -> Fiona was just kinda executed poorly, especially considering half of her friends have straight up Japanese names

But Rudy to Valdi is super wat

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08/29/22 4:18:18 AM
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LMAO APPARENTLY NO FOOD IN THE GAME WORKS

also it's impossible to 100% the game currently because they forgot to put in one monster that there's requests for that you can't complete with coins

thanks, monolithsoft

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YoukaiSlayer
08/29/22 4:33:15 AM
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agesboy posted...
good thing your plot hole complaints are directly addressed at the start of next chapter!
It doesn't at all. She could have done that in a way that didn't involve all that garbage. She also could have done that at any time to any person undergoing homecoming. She could have used her brain sync super power to tell noah and friends. Not to mention the party has dispatched like a half dozen moebeus at this point. There's plenty of ways for her to die and avoid the flow or more practically she should help us until we win and then she can fade away. How many innocent kevesi and agnian and lost number soldiers died during that month we were imprisoned? She stole a month from the rest of the cast who only have like a year or two left anyway.

Not to mention, she set her plan in motion BEFORE N decided to have an "amusing sideshow". There was every possibility N just kills the party right then and there or that the side show is something worse or that Z comes personally to stop her.

It was M that put the party through that month of suffering for no reason. It's all highly emotional, but also very stupid from a practical standpoint.

Also kind of OP and unmentioned that now Mio has the moebeus warp powers which she uses to warn the city.

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08/29/22 5:40:10 AM
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YoukaiSlayer posted...
It doesn't at all. She could have done that in a way that didn't involve all that garbage. She also could have done that at any time to any person undergoing homecoming. She could have used her brain sync super power to tell noah and friends. Not to mention the party has dispatched like a half dozen moebeus at this point. There's plenty of ways for her to die and avoid the flow or more practically she should help us until we win and then she can fade away.
How is entrusting her body to a rando going to help redeem N's humanity? She bet on the only other person who could look at N and see someone worth redeeming- her other self. Also, you know Homecomings deleting the soul isn't something that's normally done right? A regular Homecoming would have entered her back into the cycle of reincarnation and jack shit would have been ultimately accomplished. It's a special case of torture that N was trying to use to break his other self.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
How many innocent kevesi and agnian and lost number soldiers died during that month we were imprisoned?
A miniscule number compared to the number she's seen N murder and essentially been complicit in due to her very existence. The road N chose for her has crushed her bleeding heart. You might think of it as unnecessary, but the N that M knew required a GIGANTIC shock in order for his time to begin moving again.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
Not to mention, she set her plan in motion BEFORE N decided to have an "amusing sideshow". There was every possibility N just kills the party right then and there or that the side show is something worse or that Z comes personally to stop her.
She knows exactly what kind of person N is and "make them realize how powerless they are" was an idea thrown out by her during the capture incident. That's why she+Mio intervened and weakened them to the point where they were easily capturable instead of letting N go all out and at minimum kill a few of them. She was very clearly steering N towards this outcome. Because it's the cruelest outcome possible for Noah, it's also easy to predict.

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08/29/22 9:32:27 AM
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agesboy posted...
How is entrusting her body to a rando going to help redeem N's humanity? She bet on the only other person who could look at N and see someone worth redeeming- her other self. Also, you know Homecomings deleting the soul isn't something that's normally done right? A regular Homecoming would have entered her back into the cycle of reincarnation and jack shit would have been ultimately accomplished. It's a special case of torture that N was trying to use to break his other self.
N's beyond redeaming. How can you redeem eons of genocide? He doesn't deserve to have his time move again. I guess I don't know enough about the cycle of reincarnation, but I got the impression that moebeus was outside of that, as are the lost numbers. Only souls harvested by the flame clock seemed able to reincarnate. Although I just did colony Omega stuff which makes no sense. And M was working with us the whole time to stop Z, we know this because she gave ghondor the stone key thing.

She jeapordized everything to kill herself in a way she could have done whenever and let our party and the world suffer needlessly in the mean time. She then got incredibly lucky that we just happened to be strong enough to beat N without her despite getting our asses kicked the previous time. We were only saved because of a dues ex machina origin sword coming out of nowhere. Our party for some reason also doesn't finish off N even thought we beat him and have a weapon capable of doing it? Think how much better our chances would be with 2 mios against the Z.

It feels like there is actually a super easy solution for energy that presumably wouldn't make people upset. Let people reincarnate into 10 year bodies, die, then keep their memories and bring em back. At that rate basically everyone is immortal and moebeus keep getting energy. The only things bad about the system is that they have to fight for no reason and that they don't keep their memories, except when they do in colony omega, and also keep their bodies that already become husks, but were somehow unhusked, or something?

I imagine later revelations will tie moebeus to annihilation events and that the world will eventually disappear from this cycle, but it doesn't seem like that'll happen anytime soon and they should have as much reason to avoid it as anyone else.

I am very much not convinced. It feels like the classic japanese thing where they let the actually story fall to shit and only bother with the emotional beats of the story. One of those "feel, don't think" kind of things. I hate that.

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08/29/22 12:41:28 PM
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YoukaiSlayer posted...
N's beyond redeaming. How can you redeem eons of genocide? He doesn't deserve to have his time move again.
I guess redemption isn't really the right word, but she wants him to find peace and move forward, which seems to be the central theme of the game. Joran never actually redeemed himself either, but his stillness was broken. It feels like some nirvana-adjacent shit.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
I guess I don't know enough about the cycle of reincarnation, but I got the impression that moebeus was outside of that, as are the lost numbers. Only souls harvested by the flame clock seemed able to reincarnate.
Yeah, it seems like reincarnation status is tied to the body, so she probably could have accomplished the goal of killing herself. But she wouldn't have been able to accomplish her other primary goal of entrusting her will to another.
YoukaiSlayer posted...
Think how much better our chances would be with 2 mios against the Z.
That's 2 Mios against Z and an N with a psychosis-driven obsession to get M back. I feel like that lowers their chances. As he is now he's just empty and lashing out, but think if he could return everything to normal by trying really hard. Guy would probably end up being the final final boss.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
The only things bad about the system is that they have to fight for no reason and that they don't keep their memories, except when they do in colony omega, and also keep their bodies that already become husks, but were somehow unhusked, or something?
Colony omega was an experimental camp that reeked of war crimes. Even though the details weren't 100% clear, they mentioned there were a LOT of deaths involved, and whatever fueled the purple clock just murdered everyone when things went awry (not that Y gave a shit). Also I think someone mentioned at some point that the negative feelings involved in war gets them more energy or tastes better or something?

I thought the whole segment was one of the best in the trilogy. There's so much to unpack on a replay. The fact that only Mio's offseer flute plays in phase 1 but Noah's joins in phase 2 when they find a way to counterattack. That Mio immediately started shedding tears when she swapped/merged with M as she got overloaded by both her own history and N's. The fact that she began losing the fight, putting her entire plan in jeopardy when N stepped in- at that point she was going to have to try to convince N of the Homecoming plan instead of getting him to come to that conclusion on his own, which would have been much more risky (notice how she does not talk mid-battle and keeps her sentences short in cutscenes?). How all of her conversations in jail take on a second meaning when attributed to M. Shit's sublime. It really feels like 1's first Monado premonition or 2's Genbu crown fight for me

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