Poll of the Day > The death of Web3 (crypto, NFT's, other blockchain uses)

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streamofthesky
05/18/22 1:27:47 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTc0IstWISY

Pretty good video on the slow, pathetic demise of Web3. Well deserved, so much of this shit is blisteringly stupid and/or creepy with a smorgasbord of potential to abuse.
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Yellow
05/18/22 4:38:57 AM
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Yeah I'm on the boat with the crypto doomerism as well

They'd rather create mini-ponzis over and over again than a stable currency, they cling to economic models that are the equivalent of free energy machines, something cool could have been made but turns out 99% of people don't value their own integrity over the sweet ass of $100 million, and if they do their team members don't

I wish crypto people would get one absolute concrete fact through their fucking skulls, but it's too late now, because anyone reasonable now hates it... if a currency is any good, it's not going to exist to make you money! You are going to use it to enable other people to purchase a real product... that is not another currency! To let others hold value in countries where they couldn't otherwise.

But god damn did they make me respect how fiat currencies keep modern society afloat.

I could tell a lot of stories about crypto because I have found myself deep in the mess, being a paid crypto developer and all. Like the time I was going to work with someone to make an NFT, and the only input they had was "the holders will recieve a portion of the funds for every person that buys into it. You see, it's kind of shaped like a pyramid, the whole thing, but it's really a revolutionary new system, and it's beautiful." I haven't done anything evil like that, I have my lines I won't cross. But I've seen ways to steal and become rich and passed them up, because at the end of the day I'm an engineer and I really only care about making things that make sense, lest I just sit somewhere and starve to death.

Anyway, one of my good friends, while I was hard at work trying to make an NFT that wasn't a shit scam, literally just came up to me and told me he didn't want to put too much effort into it, and just wanted to copy and paste a PNG of someone elses NFT image, as well as someone else's code. I never talked to them again. It's all a shit scam. The only justice is that anyone involved will pay for an expensive education in how the world works when you listen to your billionaire overlords.

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Yellow
05/18/22 4:41:53 AM
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Anyway thank fucking god it's crashing, can you imagine the dystopia of a fully privatized economy? We were insane to think that would work. Fucking Elon Musk was an evil genius to try to promote it.

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captpackrat
05/18/22 6:33:44 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/7/AAQwHjAADPkz.jpg

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IronBornCorps
05/18/22 7:02:07 AM
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Is this a crash? It's almost like the sector has never experienced this before, definitely isn't the third or fourth "crash".

I mean, how could the price go down around the time taxes are due in the US after a bunch of legislation was passed on capital gains?

There are tons of schemes, scams, and bad actors in the sector, sure. That's why they are called ****coins.

I think the hyper capitalism argument is funny too, with a DAO and a global distributed wallet, we could easily accomplish a socialist Utopia. It so just happened to play out as venture capitalists saw the economic potential, and created their own ecosystem using the tech. Innovation has no political agenda.
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BEERandWEED
05/18/22 7:16:58 AM
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Greed is a sin and crypto is the embodiment of that sin.

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papercup
05/18/22 8:00:15 AM
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Its deeply concerning that Square Enix has spent the past year or so heavily investing into this shit. If this is what finally does Square in Im gonna be sad.

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streamofthesky
05/18/22 8:13:23 AM
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Yellow posted...
Anyway thank fucking god it's crashing, can you imagine the dystopia of a fully privatized economy? We were insane to think that would work. Fucking Elon Musk was an evil genius to try to promote it.

Yeah, the idea of a public wallet that ties in all of your purchases and activity is utterly horrifying.
Thanks for your first post, it was illuminating.

IronBornCorps posted...
Is this a crash? It's almost like the sector has never experienced this before, definitely isn't the third or fourth "crash".

I mean, how could the price go down around the time taxes are due in the US after a bunch of legislation was passed on capital gains?

There are tons of schemes, scams, and bad actors in the sector, sure. That's why they are called ****coins.

I think the hyper capitalism argument is funny too, with a DAO and a global distributed wallet, we could easily accomplish a socialist Utopia. It so just happened to play out as venture capitalists saw the economic potential, and created their own ecosystem using the tech. Innovation has no political agenda.

Your incessant cheer-leading for crypto and hand-waving of all the legitimate problems with it makes me think you're one of those people invested and hoping to be the one at the top of the "pyramid", and thus arguing in bad faith...
Did you even watch the video, which explains why this supposed "utopia" would be an absolute fucking nightmare right out of 1984?
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Yellow
05/18/22 11:25:09 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
I think the hyper capitalism argument is funny too, with a DAO and a global distributed wallet, we could easily accomplish a socialist Utopia. It so just happened to play out as venture capitalists saw the economic potential, and created their own ecosystem using the tech. Innovation has no political agenda.
Are you talking Safemoon, the coin we were all feverishly attached to, that was going to distribute 5% to all other holders while burning the other 5%, or any one of the endless farming tokens, which ended up "magically" decreasing in value at the exact same rate they returned APR?

Both of those completely tanked because
A) You simply can't just make money by doing nothing.
B) The developers got horny for the liquidity pool, they were morons who couldn't even code, they just copied and pasted everything they ever made, code made by developers who just wanted a quick buck
C) There was absolutely nothing to prevent the top 1% from owning 99.9% of all the money, because it's somehow even worse than real life in that regard. They then just wait for fresh blood to come in to take literally everyone else's money while we all get to pretend to look at the line going up. Why do you think every single crypto graph looks like the same exact thing? The first guys in are just waiting to cash out, every time.

And that third point is true for every single cryptocurrency, it's why every single one of them is a scam. We all only serve the purpose of being the idiot of being the one to have our money taken from the 3rd guy to buy bitcoin because they are all deflationary.

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adjl
05/18/22 11:25:34 AM
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papercup posted...
Its deeply concerning that Square Enix has spent the past year or so heavily investing into this shit. If this is what finally does Square in Im gonna be sad.

The fact that they sold a bunch of their major IP's so they could invest harder into crypto nonsense that nobody wants (and they openly acknowledged that most people don't want it in the president's letter at the beginning of the year, which roughly amounted to "none of you like this, but we know what's better for you so just watch") is honestly pretty hilarious. It'd be sad to lose some of their franchises, like what happened when Konami abandoned making actual games, but at a corporate level Squenix has been really very awful for quite some time now, and I'm kind of enjoying watching them screw up this badly (especially when the IP's they've sold off will continue to survive).

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VampireCoyote
05/18/22 11:28:51 AM
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Im just glad those losers dont own Legacy of Kain anymore

all they did with it over the years was release a dead on arrival pvp multiplayer game that nobody wanted or even played

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ParanoidObsessive
05/18/22 1:50:24 PM
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papercup posted...
Its deeply concerning that Square Enix has spent the past year or so heavily investing into this shit. If this is what finally does Square in Im gonna be sad.

At this point it would be a mercy killing.

Squeenix is basically the guy in the zombie movie who use to be your best friend, but now he's turned and is trying to bite your face off, and you're pointing the shotgun at him and crying because you don't want to pull the trigger.

But that's not your friend anymore. Your friend is already dead. Killing the thing he's become is just an end to the pain. It's what he would have wanted. It's better for everyone.

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Rotpar
05/18/22 3:09:46 PM
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Crypto and NFTs are too shitty to die out; the world sucks and gets worse, not better.

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VampireCoyote
05/18/22 3:18:02 PM
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Rotpar posted...
Crypto and NFTs are too shitty to die out; the world sucks and gets worse, not better.

unless you look at like, any chart or graph that shows the amount of violence and starvation in the world over time

things always get better but people never realize because theyre mad about stupid shit that doesnt effect them like NFTs and trans people in sports

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Zareth
05/18/22 5:39:43 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
At this point it would be a mercy killing.
Sometimes, dead is better.

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Zareth
05/18/22 5:40:28 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
things always get better
Tell me that in 50 years when the earth is uninhabitable due to climate change.

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IronBornCorps
05/18/22 7:04:31 PM
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Yellow posted...
Are you talking Safemoon


Nope, I didn't buy any Safemoon, looked like a scam to me. I also didn't buy any coin with a dog on it. They have no use cases outside of making a quick buck if you are lucky to buy into them at the right time.

All coins aren't equal, so your broad generalizations don't really apply. A 51% on the larger chains like Bitcoin would take an absurd amount of capital and hash rate.
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DeSantis2024
05/18/22 7:15:25 PM
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I regret not buying into bitcoin nine or so years ago when I first heard about it but glad I didnt jump on this NFT craze.
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VampireCoyote
05/18/22 7:28:14 PM
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Zareth posted...
Tell me that in 50 years when the earth is uninhabitable due to climate change.

deal!

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ParanoidObsessive
05/18/22 8:06:38 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
things always get better

Nope.

Some things get better. Some things get worse. Some things get better, then get worse. Some things get worse, then get better. And occasionally there's a major crisis that shakes the whole mess up across the board. That's what history is.

How you perceive trends and whether or not things are improving or declining depends entirely on which specific aspects of the world you're choosing to focus on. And how willing you are to lie to yourself.

"Progress" is a myth invented by religious nationalists as part of the "American Dream", then indoctrinated into students in school until they believe it as a principle of nature. Things don't always get "better". Sometimes change is an improvement. Some times it isn't. No, the present is not the most perfect and morally justified moment in history.

Life today is exactly what it's always been - a collection of positives and negatives, with most people just trying to get by.

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Judgmenl
05/18/22 9:48:44 PM
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This guy is not very smart and he only has subscriptions because of his previous MMORPG stuff. I only know because I'm subscribed to him.
Crypto is an issue, but watch legitimate Crypto criticism, not media influencers trying to fleece people of their money.

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VampireCoyote
05/18/22 9:59:43 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Nope.

Some things get better. Some things get worse. Some things get better, then get worse. Some things get worse, then get better. And occasionally there's a major crisis that shakes the whole mess up across the board. That's what history is.

How you perceive trends and whether or not things are improving or declining depends entirely on which specific aspects of the world you're choosing to focus on. And how willing you are to lie to yourself.

"Progress" is a myth invented by religious nationalists as part of the "American Dream", then indoctrinated into students in school until they believe it as a principle of nature. Things don't always get "better". Sometimes change is an improvement. Some times it isn't. No, the present is not the most perfect and morally justified moment in history.

Life today is exactly what it's always been - a collection of positives and negatives, with most people just trying to get by.

I have to believe that things will get better

I have to

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IronBornCorps
05/18/22 10:55:24 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
I have to believe that things will get better

I have to

It's good to optimistic, but I have found it beneficial to focus on my own happiness, and things I can actively change and influence.

streamofthesky posted...
Your incessant cheer-leading for crypto and hand-waving of all the legitimate problems with it makes me think you're one of those people invested and hoping to be the one at the top of the "pyramid", and thus arguing in bad faith...
Did you even watch the video, which explains why this supposed "utopia" would be an absolute fucking nightmare right out of 1984?

There are legitimate issues yes, including people buying digital snake oil. Con artists go where the money is, that's a trick as old as time.

Posting an opinionated YouTube video as citation and mentioning George Orwell's novel is new and exciting, and I'm the one arguing in bad faith?

Don't spend you're money on it then, I really don't care. Decentralization is inevitable.
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Adam_Savage
05/18/22 11:05:15 PM
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adjl posted...


The fact that they sold a bunch of their major IP's so they could invest harder into crypto nonsense that nobody wants (and they openly acknowledged that most people don't want it in the president's letter at the beginning of the year, which roughly amounted to "none of you like this, but we know what's better for you so just watch") is honestly pretty hilarious. It'd be sad to lose some of their franchises, like what happened when Konami abandoned making actual games, but at a corporate level Squenix has been really very awful for quite some time now, and I'm kind of enjoying watching them screw up this badly (especially when the IP's they've sold off will continue to survive).

square has made a habit of doing the exact opposite of what people want

fans: we want the old final fantasies on this current platform
square: ok here they are on phones
fans: uh, we said these platforms?
square: oh, we didn't know
fans: fucking what

fans: hey, can we get a remake of this game?
square: how about a sequel instead
fans: no, a remake is fine
square: ok we'll just call it a remake but it's really a sequel
square: how come no one is buying this
fans: we wanted a remake not a sequel
square: well no one told us that!

fans: we do not like nft scams
square: have i got fucking news for you

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Metalsonic66
05/19/22 12:06:27 AM
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Adam_Savage posted...
how come no one is buying this
Umm

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OtakuD50
05/19/22 12:23:03 AM
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Adam_Savage posted...
fans: we want the old final fantasies on this current platform
square: ok here they are on phones
It's weird how you're mocking the smarter and exponentially more accessible of the two options.

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ParanoidObsessive
05/19/22 12:39:49 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
I have to believe that things will get better

I have to

ParanoidObsessive posted...
And how willing you are to lie to yourself.

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Kyuubi4269
05/19/22 12:40:28 AM
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OtakuD50 posted...

It's weird how you're mocking the smarter and exponentially more accessible of the two options.

Doom is more accessible on pregnancy tests, it's still not a platform people want to use

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Adam_Savage
05/19/22 12:45:30 AM
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OtakuD50 posted...

It's weird how you're mocking the smarter and exponentially more accessible of the two options.

it's not

because fans have been asking for 1-6 on consoles for, uh, many years now

and when square announced the pixel remasters of them for phones, they proceeded to act surprised that people also wanted them on consoles

and they are still not on consoles, so

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Dikitain
05/19/22 1:02:09 AM
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Adam_Savage posted...
it's not

because fans have been asking for 1-6 on consoles for, uh, many years now

and when square announced the pixel remasters of them for phones, they proceeded to act surprised that people also wanted them on consoles

and they are still not on consoles, so
To be fair, they are on phones because the Japanese market wanted them there, and the Western market wanted them on consoles.

It is less "we didn't know" and more "fuck you baka gaijin!"

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Yellow
05/19/22 4:09:31 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Decentralization is inevitable.
That's a terrifying thought. It's all just code for privatization. You think it matters who hosts it? It's all private money controlled by a handful of rich people with no laws or oversight.

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Judgmenl
05/19/22 5:22:47 AM
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The scariest people are those who act like they understand technology but don't actually work with technology (usually those on the business / management side of it).

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adjl
05/19/22 1:39:22 PM
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Yellow posted...
That's a terrifying thought. It's all just code for privatization. You think it matters who hosts it? It's all private money controlled by a handful of rich people with no laws or oversight.

Pretty much. Does crypto have the potential to take some control of the country's finances away from the big banks? Yes. Is it going to prevent money (and therefore power) from concentrating in the hands of a small number of people that are wealthy enough to manipulate the system into making them even wealthier? No. Money naturally concentrates, regardless of the nature of the currency. Shaking up the currency just changes which ultra-wealthy hands it ends up in, and really, there are very few meaningful differences between the sort of people that treat our economy like an idle game.

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Yellow
05/19/22 9:26:31 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
The scariest people are those who act like they understand technology but don't actually work with technology (usually those on the business / management side of it).
Every startup in 2020

The smart contracts will allow us to pay for bitcoin insurance, which will bail us out when the army of bots constantly removing money from the system empty your bank account, just $100 every month, you can trust it will do exactly what it says it will do until the developer who left the back door in there takes out the liquidity pool.

There were people who caught it early on but those guys were FUD.

But look, I found this great new cryptocurrency, I am very bullish about this one.
https://stripe.com/docs

Their white paper includes;
  • A flat 3.5% gas fee on every transaction (this helps the developers keep working on their services, much cheaper than most for the sheer traffic it can handle)
  • They don't even have access to their own liquidity pool, which means they can't rug you! They don't even need to dox themselves because they are legally obliged to so what they say they are going to do.
  • Their cryptocurrency has a constant rate of inflation that guarantees it stays in circulation, a built-in anti-whale measure. It loses 2% of its value every year!
  • A cryptocurrency first, a stable coin tied to real-world applications that actually serve a purpose, the interest rates of loans!
  • A green impact, almost 10,000 times more efficient than any other cryptocurrency!
  • Has moved in a stable, predictable way since Richard Nixon was forced to mandate it back in 1968 to prevent the world economy from collapsing!
  • Automatically interchangeable with any other crypto on the planet, the bridges and liquidity pools are global and have physical institutions bound by real laws!
  • Nazis hate it, and used this system as an excuse to exterminate Jews, which ties perfectly into the ignorance of anti-social people who want to go back to using commodity money, currency based solely on what swing traders, who treat your bank account like a gambling game, feel like doing!


Can't wait to invest!

adjl posted...
Pretty much. Does crypto have the potential to take some control of the country's finances away from the big banks? Yes. Is it going to prevent money (and therefore power) from concentrating in the hands of a small number of people that are wealthy enough to manipulate the system into making them even wealthier? No. Money naturally concentrates, regardless of the nature of the currency. Shaking up the currency just changes which ultra-wealthy hands it ends up in, and really, there are very few meaningful differences between the sort of people that treat our economy like an idle game.
Worse yet, crypto just started off with a late-stage Capitalism built right into it by design. Because there's nothing else to it, it's just a grotesque display of everything wrong with the free-est of markets.

I am reminded of the fleeble game (or whatever it was called) where people in third world countries made money just by playing a game. Crazy that, why don't they just remove the game and stop wasting their time, then? Maybe they wouldn't be able to hide their "scholarship" scams if they did that.

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Judgmenl
05/19/22 10:10:31 PM
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Yellow posted...
The smart contracts will allow us to pay for bitcoin insurance, which will bail us out when the army of bots constantly removing money from the system empty your bank account, just $100 every month, you can trust it will do exactly what it says it will do until the developer who left the back door in there takes out the liquidity pool.

This is ridiculously common. There was recently an exploit in F5's networking hardware and it was suspected that the exploit was a result of a backdoor created by a developer who was leaving the company. I don't even need to think of the validity of something like this going on in crypto scam land.


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streamofthesky
05/25/22 10:18:07 PM
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"Seth Green Can No Longer Make His NFT Show, Loses Rights After NFT Gets Stolen By Phishing Scam"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6xZE9F6FuY
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Zareth
05/25/22 11:38:51 PM
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His ape; gone

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captpackrat
05/26/22 12:18:01 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/4/2/AAQwHjAADRSa.jpg
Seth Green, his apes gone

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