Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 388: Ashley Madison Cawthorn

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The right to have weapons as part of a well regulated militia is expressly protected.

The right to individually own as many guns as you want and carry them around on your own is not.

red sox 777 posted...

Perhaps as a compromise, the 28th Amendment can say that the 2nd Amendment does not apply to the states? Then, states that want to ban guns would be able to do so.

Does that really accomplish anything? You just need to drive 2 hours to the next state, roll up to the local grocery store and purchase a bazooka, 20 pistols and a couple ARs

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

The police "being on their side" didn't stop them from standing around doing nothing during the nationwide BLM rioting either, so maybe the real problem here is that law enforcement in the US is a spineless joke.

lol

The fact that they WEREN'T "standing around doing nothing" during the BLM protests was exactly the reason the BLM protests existed. I mean, I can show you a compilation video of police brutality inflicted on protesters if you'd like.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Does that really accomplish anything? You just need to drive 2 hours to the next state, roll up to the local grocery store and purchase a bazooka, 20 pistols and a couple ARs

ANY restrictions will always add some measure of protection. There are people who won't be able to make that trip. There are people who, when forced to make that trip, will reconsider. Maybe not a lot, certainly not enough, but it is at least some measure.

And then, if background checks and waiting periods are implemented nationwide, you add even more restrictions.

This shooting is a tragedy and I'm in tears over it, but it's important to keep in mind that so many gun deaths in the states are crimes of passion as well, and reducing ease of access will reduce deaths. After we start, we just can't take our foot off the gas though.

Maniac64 posted...

The right to have weapons as part of a well regulated militia is expressly protected.

The right to individually own as many guns as you want and carry them around on your own is not.

That's not what it says. What is says is:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The part about the militia explains the purpose of the amendment, rather than limiting the scope of its command. There's some ambiguity of course but don't act like there isn't when the literal reading of it does not limit the right to militias. It's very similar in structure to the Second Commandment (citing KJV since that's the translation the framers would have used):

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

So taken literally, this means that all art depicting things that exist in reality is prohibited. But it also has an explanation of purpose that would appear to limit its scope to things which may compete with God for worship. But it does not literally say that, and hence we have widely differing interpretations from different religions/churches.

If we take the 2nd amendment literally, it does not grant the right to keep and bear firearms. Just Arms.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/4/AAOJ0pAADRG4.jpg

HanOfTheNekos posted...

If we take the 2nd amendment literally, it does not grant the right to keep and bear firearms. Just Arms.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/0/4/AAOJ0pAADRG4.jpg

Arms includes firearms and other weapons. That is its literal meaning.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Does that really accomplish anything? You just need to drive 2 hours to the next state, roll up to the local grocery store and purchase a bazooka, 20 pistols and a couple ARs

Yes, it does. And it might possibly have some nonzero chance of passing. It would still be very difficult, but I can at least imagine red states deciding that giving more power to the states can't be bad and that this doesn't threaten their right to own guns.

ARMS for everybody!

red sox 777 posted...

That's not what it says. What is says is:

The part about the militia explains the purpose of the amendment, rather than limiting the scope of its command. There's some ambiguity of course but don't act like there isn't when the literal reading of it does not limit the right to militias. It's very similar in structure to the Second Commandment (citing KJV since that's the translation the framers would have used):

So taken literally, this means that all art depicting things that exist in reality is prohibited. But it also has an explanation of purpose that would appear to limit its scope to things which may compete with God for worship. But it does not literally say that, and hence we have widely differing interpretations from different religions/churches.

I'd say that's actually the opposite structure. The 2nd amendment states the purpose of the amendment (to have a well regulated militia to secure freedom) then gives the details.

That 2nd commandment translation gives the details then gives the purpose.

And since you brought up the bible as an example of how we should interpret the constitution, Jesus teaches in the new testament that the commandments were being understood and enforced incorrectly because the Pharisees were to focused on the specific wording and not on the spirit of the laws.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Hard disagree. Rip the bandaid off, full gun ban. You'll have a bunch of lunatics protesting it, which gives a great opportunity to throw a bunch of them in jail

You have absolutely no idea how anything in the U.S. works. Please stop posting.

red sox 777 posted...

Arms includes firearms and other weapons. That is its literal meaning.

luster is that you

Not_an_Owl posted...

You have absolutely no idea how anything in the U.S. works. Please stop posting.

Looks like we have a gun fetishist on our hands, sitting here looking at 30 shootings in elementary schools since the start of 2022 saying "Oh boy if ONLY there was SOMETHING we could do about these easily preventable tragedies!"

I'm not sure what's worse, the gun fetish brigade, or the "we need to focus on 'mental health' instead" weiners

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Looks like we have a gun fetishist on our hands

lmao

I agree with you that all guns should be banned! I just realize it's a complete non-starter, and that to even suggest it in the current U.S. political climate betrays a sophomoric lack of understanding of the people and political parties involved.

https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1529511280079519744?s=21

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

Hard disagree. Rip the bandaid off, full gun ban. You'll have a bunch of lunatics protesting it, which gives a great opportunity to throw a bunch of them in jail

Wait I think you skipped a step where we also made protesting illegal?

Protesting is legal, the protesting that would result from this would quickly cross the line into illegal (though as mentioned earlier, wanton destruction and violence are apparantly not illegal either based on the last 2 years)

I don't understand how anyone can believe black turtle is genuine at this point

love to see a huge swath of posts I can't read followed by grumbling about black turtle. it's a favored genre of post

I have like 2 people blocked and one of them is black turtle.

I don't remember why but I'm guessing it was something akin to

Samurai7 posted...

I don't understand how anyone can believe black turtle is genuine at this point

Awful (thread):

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1529555802889064455?s=21

That is really messed up and also not surprising.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Awful (thread):

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1529555802889064455?s=21

You know, I'd ask why the sexuality of a mass murderer even fucking matters but I already know the answer. It doesn't, except to right leaning gun nuts who want to pin this on whatever minority group that they can to distract from the real problem.

I popped into r/conservative when the story was just breaking to try and catch their zeitgeist opinions. It's actually interesting to see how their narrative gets shaped over time by the hivemind. Whenever a tragedy is recent, they're more split on their reactions, but as time goes by, the group falls in line and adopts Fox-approved worldviews.

Oh hey I found a way to make me sad about shootings again. Also works as an effective copy/paste to use when arguing with conservatives.

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And the first one was in 1998.

Less than 25 years for the list to get that long.

Wait wtf, there was a shooting at Purdue?? How did I not hear about that.

Edit: oh, it was one guy shooting another guy. Still bad, but doesnt seem comparable.

https://twitter.com/junlper/status/1529503911870091264?s=21&t=XyG7d5TpssIWrv62fRnmEg

What exactly can Biden do in this situation though?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-bidens-executive-order-will-impact-policing-practices

Biden just passed an executive order on policing practices. Because it is an executive order, it is more limited than what could've and should've been done if there was congressional action. But it is at least something and they discuss here what sort of impact it might have.

So the answer to your questions is "not nothing". Zero percent chance anything gets through congress and who the hell knows it'll likely get challenged and brought up in front of the Supreme Court anyway. But at least force them to make that move and put the spotlight on them.

is this the only topic discussing the shooting or do I have the author of another one blocked?

Many details that have emerged in the last 24 hours reveal just how badly the cops fucked up. The cops knew he had locked himself in that room and basically just let him kill as much as he wanted in there. Meanwhile parents of these children were screaming at the police to go into the building and stop him. AP reports that when the cops finally tried to stop him 40 minutes later they were unable to break down the door and had to get a staff member to unlock it with their key. https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

A particularly horrific detail came from a kid who survived in the classroom the shooter was in because he was hiding under a table where the shooter didnt see him:

When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The [shooter] overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

They literally tipped off the shooter to another kids position who had been hiding.

WazzupGenius00 posted...

is this the only topic discussing the shooting or do I have the author of another one blocked?

Many details that have emerged in the last 24 hours reveal just how badly the cops fucked up. The cops knew he had locked himself in that room and basically just let him kill as much as he wanted in there. Meanwhile parents of these children were screaming at the police to go into the building and stop him. AP reports that when the cops finally tried to stop him 40 minutes later they were unable to break down the door and had to get a staff member to unlock it with their key. https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

A particularly horrific detail came from a kid who survived in the classroom the shooter was in because he was hiding under a table where the shooter didnt see him:

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/special-reports/uvalde-school-shooting/its-time-to-die-fourth-grade-survivor-uvalde-shooting-recalls-what-gunman-told-student/273-51cc4e26-7a0a-49c0-ba7a-48cdd47fa235

They literally tipped off the shooter to another kids position who had been hiding.

It's funny watching everyone blame the Police on literally every single angle.

I think we can correctly attribute the deaths to the assault rifle wielding killer.

The door thing is interesting because the door being unable to be broken open I am going to guess is a protection against an active shooter gaining entry to the room in such a scenario, but worked in the opposite way this time since he was already inside the room. Either that or the door opens outward and it had the most bad ass barricade of all time.

I can't be the only one who feels like people at least used to make too big a deal out of "can't criticize this person or else you're racist/sexist" if they don't still do so, right?

The cops knew he had locked himself in that room and basically just let him kill as much as he wanted in there. Meanwhile parents of these children were screaming at the police to go into the building and stop him. AP reports that when the cops finally tried to stop him 40 minutes later they were unable to break down the door and had to get a staff member to unlock it with their key.

And yet the big Republican response I'm hearing is "we just need armed security at all schools". We are already seeing that cops can't always stop it but a couple armed guards are supposed to fix everything.

Corrik7 posted...

It's funny watching everyone blame the Police on literally every single angle.

I think we can correctly attribute the deaths to the assault rifle wielding killer.

The door thing is interesting because the door being unable to be broken open I am going to guess is a protection against an active shooter gaining entry to the room in such a scenario, but worked in the opposite way this time since he was already inside the room. Either that or the door opens outward and it had the most bad ass barricade of all time.

Corrik, do you think the cops did the right thing?

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529669808228294656?s=21&t=wCDukEsotom3ayZqAPoX2Q

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101181842/nra-trump-speech-guns-banned-houston

Presented without commentary.

Corrik7 posted...

It's funny watching everyone blame the Police on literally every single angle.

I think we can correctly attribute the deaths to the assault rifle wielding killer.

The door thing is interesting because the door being unable to be broken open I am going to guess is a protection against an active shooter gaining entry to the room in such a scenario, but worked in the opposite way this time since he was already inside the room. Either that or the door opens outward and it had the most bad ass barricade of all time.

It's not so much blaming the police for everything. It's that stories like these are swirling shitstorms that emphasize some of the worst aspects of our country. You have the gun control issue, where Greg Abbott just signed a bill a few months ago to make gun access easier (even cheekily tweeting about how Texas needs to step up their gun game to keep up with California), and is set to speak at an NRA conference tomorrow (unless that's changed, recently). You have the children issue, where Texas is more than happy to put women through hell to take away their ability to get an abortion, but when it comes to protecting ACTUAL children, they're for damn sure not gonna do anything. You have the "othering" angle, where every right wing voice is desperately searching for some sort of smear to paint the killer as a monster for reasons OTHER THAN HAVING AR-15S.

And now you have the police angle, where once again it feels like, when we actually NEED the police, they don't do their job. Unarmed black men? Better shoot to kill (or kneel to kill, which is the only reason Chauvin didn't get off scot free for "fearing for his life". Non-violent BLM protesters (not rioters, mind you...the peaceful protesters)? Pepper spray, fully body armor, aggressive military response. An armed gunman shooting up an elementary school? They fear for their lives and sit back while the slaughter continues. It has gotten frustrating, to say the least, because at a certain point, it does make you question why we spend so much on police budgets, yet when the chips are down and they're needed to put their lives on the line...it's not a priority.

Inviso posted...

It's not so much blaming the police for everything. It's that stories like these are swirling shitstorms that emphasize some of the worst aspects of our country. You have the gun control issue, where Greg Abbott just signed a bill a few months ago to make gun access easier (even cheekily tweeting about how Texas needs to step up their gun game to keep up with California), and is set to speak at an NRA conference tomorrow (unless that's changed, recently). You have the children issue, where Texas is more than happy to put women through hell to take away their ability to get an abortion, but when it comes to protecting ACTUAL children, they're for damn sure not gonna do anything. You have the "othering" angle, where every right wing voice is desperately searching for some sort of smear to paint the killer as a monster for reasons OTHER THAN HAVING AR-15S.

And now you have the police angle, where once again it feels like, when we actually NEED the police, they don't do their job. Unarmed black men? Better shoot to kill (or kneel to kill, which is the only reason Chauvin didn't get off scot free for "fearing for his life". Non-violent BLM protesters (not rioters, mind you...the peaceful protesters)? Pepper spray, fully body armor, aggressive military response. An armed gunman shooting up an elementary school? They fear for their lives and sit back while the slaughter continues. It has gotten frustrating, to say the least, because at a certain point, it does make you question why we spend so much on police budgets, yet when the chips are down and they're needed to put their lives on the line...it's not a priority.

I don't know what the proper police procedure is for armed gunmen with a ton of hostages is. Actively shooting you probably engage right? I believe they did initially and both officers were wounded?

There is a lot we do not know about the circumstances besides a lot of parents traumatized lashing out with details.

I also think this is a scenario where almost all background checking wouldn't have mattered either, though it is common sense to have it. He simply didn't have a history to my knowledge to flag, most likely due to his age.

I am all for taking away guns personally, but I also acknowledge there is a right in the constitution bill of rights to have them. So, it is a delicate situation. And, there is realistically now way to take them away due to the culture, size, and black market of it in this country.

I think jumping on every negative criticism without full context right now isn't the best course of action. I understand you come from a acab angle so it's easier to swallow that, but in the end, a bunch of people just died. I don't think the proper course is really criticizing people who tried to help and possibly did save more lives. The problem is the shooter and why this keeps happening. Mental health / gun issues.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik, do you think the cops did the right thing?

https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/1529669808228294656?s=21&t=wCDukEsotom3ayZqAPoX2Q

Quite possibly. We don't know what all the police are doing at the area, just what is being shown with little context here. That's what is dangerous about social media.

You could for the capitol hill riots go with it was a peaceful riot where police let them in from one side or it was a violent riot that attacked police from another, when it in actuality was probably both but moreso the latter.

I have zero doubt police are supposed to create containment and a perimeter in such a situation. Having randoms running into a hostage/active shooting area is obviously a huge no go, and if they persisted would need to be stopped by means we see here.

The question is what else is going on here? Is this all the police in one area just tussling with parents? Or is this police awaiting backup and equipment? Is this a small contingent of police enforcing a containment while others are breaching inside the school (attempting)?

I have no idea, but I am not going to say that police are wrong in something presented without full context.

Now if the reports are true that police were entering to personally get their own children out of the school and not others kids, then the police who did that are fucked up (though I understand as a parent, but no no no as a police officer).

I'd like to point out that I'm NOT ACAB. I've been one of the voices arguing loudest that ACAB and "defend the police", while feel good for the left-wing base, do more harm to enacting the policies they desire than good.

However, as more and more incidents happen like this one, it makes it definitely makes it easier and easier to agree with the ACAB mindset. Our tax dollars fund police officers' salaries, and they make good money and good benefits. Our society as a whole hero worships police officers in a way that few others receive (probably because soldier and firefighter network television shows, while still available, aren't as easy to produce as cop shows). And due to their police unions (which are very different from labor unions, since they're basically like forming a managers' union to protect against your employees), they hold an inordinate amount of power over your average citizen.

The motto on their badges says "To Protect and Serve", yet time and time again, it feels like those are empty words. Between the general plethora of shooting deaths of unarmed black men (unarmed people in general, but black people, and black men specifically seem to bear the brunt of it), and the militarized force against peaceful protestors (specifically protestors protesting police brutality)...and then the near-complete stand down on January 6th, plus countless instances of holding back when there's a mass shooter on the loose (who manage to get taken into custody a surprising amount of the time, given how factually dangerous they are)...it just raises questions about what purpose the police actually serve. It's like we pay the police to attack and brutalize innocent civilians (not how often we see riots occur and the police aren't there to stop it...yet they're plenty on-hand against peaceful protests), but when we need them to put their lives on the line to truly earn the paycheck we expect them to earn, they care about their own safety more than that of the general public. So it makes one question what purpose they serve in our society.

Imagine paying someone six figures and giving them an obscene amount of military equipment, just for them to complete paperwork for insurance companies.

corrik what the fuck is wrong with you dude

this is literally their job, their entire purpose for their job to exist, and these cowards wouldn't go in the building to save little kids for 40 whole minutes

this shit doesn't get more black and white that the cops failed here

Sit and watch and then move in and sort it out after is pretty standard police procedure.

People are just horrified when they realize this is reality.

They pretty much work in a system where there is 0 risk to themselves(and if they perceive or make up risk they can shoot first).

To Protect (their asses) and Serve (their masters)

Re: the door

Given the brain rot in the US resulting in all these school shootings, it makes sense that the door is difficult to breach, as it was likely that way by design (to prevent an active shooter from breaking into a room). And in a way it still served it's function since he was barricaded in a single room and the death toll may have been higher without it (sad as it is to say). As for the cops, I can kinda see the logic in waiting for tactical teams to show up, but I don't think if I was in that position I could live with myself if I didn't do everything in my power to stop the shooter.

Then again, 95% of the gun fetish enjoying American public are prefectly fine with the status quo as long as it doesn't "infringe on their rights", so I guess we should just get used to seeing stories like this as they somehow become even more common than they already were.

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I guess we should just get used to seeing stories like this as they somehow become even more common than they already were.

Get used to...? Been living in a ditch for most of your life or what?

That ship sailed long ago.

Leafeon13N posted...

Get used to...? Been living in a ditch for most of your life or what?

That ship sailed long ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/the-onion-no-way-to-prevent-mass-shooting-cec/index.html