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pionear
03/30/22 12:38:26 PM
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Which One?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-signs-bill-making-lynching-a-federal-hate-crime/ar-AAVFe50

Seems like 200 Years Too Late, but do you think it will curb Racist Hangings? (Poll Question)
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Decoy77
03/30/22 12:52:26 PM
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The only "racist hanging" I've heard of in the last idk how many years is the racist Jussie Smollett that tried to lynch himself and claiming MAGA supporters came after him in the middle of the night in the middle of a huge blizzard in Chicago....yeah so I guess if this helps the left feel better then uh yeah sure whatever lol.

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Jen0125
03/30/22 12:55:41 PM
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Decoy77 posted...
The only "racist hanging" I've heard of in the last idk how many years is the racist Jussie Smollett that tried to lynch himself and claiming MAGA supporters came after him in the middle of the night in the middle of a huge blizzard in Chicago....yeah so I guess if this helps the left feel better then uh yeah sure whatever lol.

Then you are remaining willfully ignorant
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Muscles
03/30/22 12:59:17 PM
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I thought it was already a crime to lynch someone, I guess if it wasn't this is a good bill but it seems kind of redundant

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Far-Queue
03/30/22 1:12:08 PM
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People who can't grasp the purpose or need behind hate crime bills are fucking morons

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JixHedgehog
03/30/22 1:25:28 PM
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Was there a major lynching incident lately?

The only ones I heard about in recent years were the ones that took place in LA that were total BS

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Jen0125
03/30/22 1:28:08 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
People who can't grasp the purpose or need behind hate crime bills are fucking morons

there are people who really think you shouldn't be punished more harshly if you specifically target someone for their race, religion, sexuality or anything like that. it's absolutely wild.
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Lokarin
03/30/22 1:54:35 PM
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So you're saying that prior to today it was perfectly legal to lynch?

That doesn't sound right

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Wanded
03/30/22 4:20:06 PM
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Muscles posted...
I thought it was already a crime to lynch someone, I guess if it wasn't this is a good bill but it seems kind of redundant
it was and is, via anti murder laws and anti assault laws

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Lil_Bit83
03/30/22 4:27:42 PM
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You mean it wasn't illegal before?

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Buddyblade
03/30/22 4:37:48 PM
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Making something a crime becuase racism seems stupid if its already illegal because, yknow, its murder. Not everything needs to be a race issue.

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Blightzkrieg
03/30/22 4:38:57 PM
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What a gross over reach of federal power. States have traditionally done a great job in prosecuting lynchings.

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shadowsword87
03/30/22 4:39:07 PM
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Buddyblade posted...
Making something a crime becuase racism seems stupid if its already illegal because, yknow, its murder. Not everything needs to be a race issue.

Because there's a difference between a federal crime and a non-federal crime.
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Nade Duck
03/30/22 5:01:42 PM
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i feel like the people that still do racist hangings in 2022 will continue to do so regardless of this bill.

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HornedLion
03/30/22 8:16:04 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
People who can't grasp the purpose or need behind hate crime bills are fucking morons

Im sure theyve passed the bar.

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The_Viscount
03/30/22 8:24:41 PM
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pionear posted...
Seems like 200 Years Too Late, but do you think it will curb Racist Hangings? (Poll Question)

"Will it curb this thing we don't often see anymore?"

Muscles posted...
I thought it was already a crime to lynch someone, I guess if it wasn't this is a good bill but it seems kind of redundant

Most of these bills are idiotic for that reason. But when politicians can't deliver on policy, they have to push moronic bills that'll inevitably have ridiculous unintended consequences.

shadowsword87 posted...
Because there's a difference between a federal crime and a non-federal crime.

One of the differences being overreach using the death penalty, because the despotic federal government can hoist a cruel and inhumane punishment on states which have outlawed the practice, as has pretty much most of the developed world. Honestly, the US should face sanctions for its continued use of the death penalty.

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Blightzkrieg
03/30/22 8:29:41 PM
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It's weird that people focus on hangings when that's not what lynching means. Emmett Till was himself not hanged.

The Arbery case is an obvious one that could be impacted by this, or arguably George Floyd.

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Lokarin
03/30/22 8:33:04 PM
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lynching just means 'mob violence', particularly where no single individual can be singled out for punishment

This ruling can increase the ability to punish groups for group actions

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agesboy
03/31/22 12:58:52 AM
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my town had a kkk murder as recent as 2009, though it was against someone who was trying to back out of an initiation because she realized they were going way too intense

there were a lot of stones thrown through windows (and occasional face to face death threats) for a different race incident around that time, as well

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Grinderpug
03/31/22 4:14:10 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
People who can't grasp the purpose or need behind hate crime bills are fucking morons


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Revelation34
03/31/22 4:17:02 AM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
It's weird that people focus on hangings when that's not what lynching means. Emmett Till was himself not hanged.

The Arbery case is an obvious one that could be impacted by this, or arguably George Floyd.


lynch verb

\ linch \
lynched; lynching; lynches
Definition of lynch
transitive verb

: to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal approval or permission
The accused killer was lynched by an angry mob.

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Blightzkrieg
03/31/22 5:52:38 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
lynch verb

\ linch \
lynched; lynching; lynches
Definition of lynch
transitive verb

: to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal approval or permission
The accused killer was lynched by an angry mob.
There's a reason it's in parentheses dude

Maybe look at more than the first Google result

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adjl
03/31/22 10:49:44 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
lynch verb

\ linch \
lynched; lynching; lynches
Definition of lynch
transitive verb

: to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal approval or permission
The accused killer was lynched by an angry mob.

"As by hanging" is an example, not an inescapable part of the definition. That's what including the word "as" means.

The_Viscount posted...
they have to push moronic bills that'll inevitably have ridiculous unintended consequences.

What "ridiculous unintended consequences" do you believe this bill might have?

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Revelation34
03/31/22 10:51:10 AM
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Blightzkrieg posted...

There's a reason it's in parentheses dude

Maybe look at more than the first Google result


That's the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/31/22 10:53:06 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
People who can't grasp the purpose or need behind hate crime bills are fucking morons
I don't know about the laws where you live but have you heard of the concept of equal protection of the law?
I grasp the purpose. I find the purpose to be a violation of this concept. I don't agree there is such a need.

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Judgmenl
03/31/22 10:53:49 AM
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Far-Queue posted...
People who can't grasp the purpose or need behind hate crime bills are fucking morons
This.
Holy shit this thread is cancer.

Lokarin posted...
This ruling can increase the ability to punish groups for group actions
Holy shit please stop talking about politics from a country where you don't understand the cultural significance.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/31/22 11:03:30 AM
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Did y'all just never watch South Park?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KseWUqJEeM

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adjl
03/31/22 11:08:23 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I don't know about the laws where you live but have you heard of the concept of equal protection of the law?
I grasp the purpose. I find the purpose to be a violation of this concept. I don't agree there is such a need.

Do you not believe there to be a difference between the social impact of a crime committed for personal reasons and the social impact of a crime committed because the victim belongs to a certain community?

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Blightzkrieg
03/31/22 12:22:16 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
And this bill is named after Emmett Till, a boy who was beaten to death, shot and thrown in a river.

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Unbridled9
03/31/22 12:29:20 PM
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Muscles posted...
I thought it was already a crime to lynch someone, I guess if it wasn't this is a good bill but it seems kind of redundant

It kind of is as it would be considered murder. Odds are that, since it was already covered by other laws, states didn't bother with it. Plus, remember, this is at the federal level. That's not the same as the state level. So all 50 states could illegalize something but it still wouldn't be illegal at the federal level. Plus, following the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's, I'd wager a lot of people expected this sort of thing to be done for before long so there wouldn't be a NEED for it in the first place. I agree it's a good thing it's banned; just explaining why it likely wasn't banned at the federal before.

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Judgmenl
03/31/22 12:36:00 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Did y'all just never watch South Park?
Did not know that South Park was written by racists.

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agesboy
03/31/22 12:40:54 PM
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not sure if quoting South Park as your moral bible is a good idea

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adjl
03/31/22 12:45:48 PM
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Especially when that clip fundamentally misinterprets the concept of hate crime from the outset: A murder isn't hate-motivated simply because the victim is a minority. It's hate-motivated because it's hate-motivated (though I agree with the point that "hate" is a pretty vague term that is colloquially applicable to a ton of crimes that don't fall under the legal definition of it, but that's a nomenclature issue more so than a legal/moral one).

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Revelation34
03/31/22 1:30:02 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...

And this bill is named after Emmett Till, a boy who was beaten to death, shot and thrown in a river.


Tell that to the dictionary.

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agesboy
03/31/22 2:03:31 PM
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the dictionary does not say that hanging is a prerequisite for lynching, just a common method

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Metalsonic66
03/31/22 2:32:03 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Tell that to the dictionary.
Maybe learn to read the definition

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Zareth
03/31/22 3:59:09 PM
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adjl posted...
What "ridiculous unintended consequences" do you believe this bill might have?
Racist people might get called out for being racist, that's what he means.

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Entity13
03/31/22 5:05:46 PM
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JixHedgehog posted...
Was there a major lynching incident lately?

The only ones I heard about in recent years were the ones that took place in LA that were total BS

There was one in my hometown, in the high desert in northeastern LA County. This happened about the time that the BLM protests started picking up momentum about two years ago. You know what the sheriff deputies did about it? They called it an apparent suicide, when there was apparent evidence to the contrary. Keep in mind, this is the same department that, for years, covered it up whenever one of their own, a deputy who resided down the street from where I grew up--and my sisters and I were told never to come anywhere close to his house, for any reason--took advantage of children.

So no, this is definitely a thing that still happens.

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shadowsword87
03/31/22 5:09:15 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Tell that to the dictionary.

Are you also a sovereign citizen? Do you believe that lawful vocabulary is defined by the dictionary?
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Kyuubi4269
03/31/22 5:14:25 PM
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adjl posted...
Do you not believe there to be a difference between the social impact of a crime committed for personal reasons and the social impact of a crime committed because the victim belongs to a certain community?

This'll shock you, but doing something to someone because they belong to a certain community is commiting a crime for personal reasons. It's the exact same thing.

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ECW_Originals12
03/31/22 5:14:47 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Did y'all just never watch South Park?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KseWUqJEeM

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adjl
03/31/22 7:01:42 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
This'll shock you, but doing something to someone because they belong to a certain community is commiting a crime for personal reasons. It's the exact same thing.

The fact that you're obviously wilfully misunderstanding what I'm saying means there's no point putting effort into clarifying, so I won't. I'm sure you can figure it out yourself.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
03/31/22 7:16:39 PM
#43:


adjl posted...
Do you not believe there to be a difference between the social impact of a crime committed for personal reasons and the social impact of a crime committed because the victim belongs to a certain community?
I do not.


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agesboy
03/31/22 7:30:00 PM
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and this is how domestic terrorism is alive and well in the united states, folks

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Entity13
03/31/22 7:34:19 PM
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I thought that was CIA or other government funding?

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GGuirao13
04/01/22 3:42:31 AM
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And only 200 years too late.

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adjl
04/01/22 5:52:13 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I do not.

Then you don't understand the issue. When a hate crime occurs, every member of the targeted community is also victimized by the implicit threat of "you're next." When a personally motivated crime occurs, the immediate victims are the only ones threatened. Hate crimes are a form of terrorism, and as such, their impact goes beyond the immediate impact of the crime in question.

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Kyuubi4269
04/01/22 6:23:12 PM
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adjl posted...
Then you don't understand the issue. When a hate crime occurs, every member of the targeted community is also victimized by the implicit threat of "you're next."

Have you ever seen any crime show ever? When someone gets killed for any reason, all the people nearby get super paranoid for their safety.

adjl posted...
Hate crimes are a form of terrorism, and as such, their impact goes beyond the immediate impact of the crime in question.

Terrorism is a crime too. If hate crime = crime + terrorism, the current law specifically targets that.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
04/01/22 6:56:48 PM
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adjl posted...
Then you don't understand the issue. When a hate crime occurs, every member of the targeted community is also victimized by the implicit threat of "you're next."
It sounds to me that their shared identity is the problem here, not the actions of the perpetrator. Maybe I don't understand the issue because I thought the issue was the crime. I'm less bothered by their motivation than I am by what they did in pursuit of that motivation.

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Blightzkrieg
04/01/22 7:25:18 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
It sounds to me that their shared identity is the problem here, not the actions of the perpetrator.
Holy fucking shit

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