Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 7: Consecratered Snowfield

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MZero
03/25/22 11:56:53 PM
#201:


Crescent-Moon posted...
????

it's a joke because Corrik always talks about how good Panth is

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UnderUrMattress
03/25/22 11:58:13 PM
#202:


Corrik and Sultan can be dealt with later

Panthera needs to go now unless he can convince me that his agenda has actually been aimed towards achieving a town win-condition because I have failed to see that so far.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:01:50 AM
#203:


MZero posted...
it's a joke because Corrik always talks about how good Panth is
Meow

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MZero
03/26/22 12:02:53 AM
#204:


I'm having a hard time letting go of the Bat lynch because he hasn't even posted

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 12:04:28 AM
#205:


Now, when I was masons with him, the night he died he was going into an over 24 hour period where he wasn't online at all. He warned me of this and it sounded like something that could happen. He told me in mason chat but didn't feel the need to tell the rest of town. I'm sure he's not dodging intentionally

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 12:04:41 AM
#206:


PunishedBen posted...
Now, when I was masons with him, the night he died he was going into an over 24 hour period where he wasn't online at all. He warned me of this and it sounded like something that could happen. He told me in mason chat but didn't feel the need to tell the rest of town. I'm sure he's not dodging intentionally
This is regarding Bat

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MZero
03/26/22 12:08:02 AM
#207:


Shonen_Bat posted...
After three straight topics of crap from the same two people I have a lot less good will for this game than I did at the start. My role had a funny name I wanted to do something with but I'm less interested now.

Shonen_Bat posted...
My role is dragon that attacks you with swords made of lightning. Yes, that's the flavor name. I wanted to hype it up a lot, maybe throw in some Dark Souls boss music and dramatic lighting, before revealing that it's just town vanilla.

Also Ben likes Bat for his claim, but to me this sounds like someone who saw a funny flavor on the safe list and thought about how he could claim it. There's a good amount of thought put in here, which is more likely to come from scum I think. I've definitely seen a flavor on a safelist and thought about ways I could claim it, but I don't think I've ever done that as town. Scum is more likely to think about what they would do if they're forced to claim

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:08:19 AM
#208:


The one thing that still worries me about Bat: His limited content has been bad, but he's clearly been overwhelmed this game.

Bat has died before day 2 in both his games. Those games went 5 topics, and 7 topics, respectively, for their entire runs. FFXIV barely even made it to topic 2 on day 1.

We're barely halfway through day 2 this game, and we're already at topic 7!

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MZero
03/26/22 12:09:54 AM
#209:


PunishedBen posted...
Now, when I was masons with him, the night he died he was going into an over 24 hour period where he wasn't online at all. He warned me of this and it sounded like something that could happen. He told me in mason chat but didn't feel the need to tell the rest of town. I'm sure he's not dodging intentionally

I don't think he's intentionally dodging, but it's certainly not making me doubt the read I already had

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MZero
03/26/22 12:12:08 AM
#210:


MZero posted...
Also Ben likes Bat for his claim, but to me this sounds like someone who saw a funny flavor on the safe list and thought about how he could claim it. There's a good amount of thought put in here, which is more likely to come from scum I think. I've definitely seen a flavor on a safelist and thought about ways I could claim it, but I don't think I've ever done that as town. Scum is more likely to think about what they would do if they're forced to claim

Oh right, the caveat here is thinking about how to claim as town when pulling off a gambit. Like Red (probably) did claiming Tharja, Tracker last game as vanilla. But I don't think Bat is doing anything like that

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 12:13:16 AM
#211:


MZero posted...
Also Ben likes Bat for his claim, but to me this sounds like someone who saw a funny flavor on the safe list and thought about how he could claim it. There's a good amount of thought put in here, which is more likely to come from scum I think. I've definitely seen a flavor on a safelist and thought about ways I could claim it, but I don't think I've ever done that as town. Scum is more likely to think about what they would do if they're forced to claim
My only argument is that I don't think that flavor is particularly funny and half the things on the safelist are guaranteed to be wackier. Just look at sbell's role. This Reads like this kind of flavor is new to him and it's not the wackiest thing he could have been exposed to if scum

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Isquen
03/26/22 12:14:43 AM
#212:


Yeah, I was probably a bit too mean with the whole "probably just upset and wants to live past day 1 for once" comment.

Not a free pass, though.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:16:30 AM
#213:


MZero posted...
I don't think he's intentionally dodging, but it's certainly not making me doubt the read I already had
I think the most likely thing is that the pace of the game has him, to take a line from Chris, "stunlocked"

But that's happened to both town and to scum before so that's ultimately null.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:22:26 AM
#214:


By the way, I'm going to work almost immediately after I go to Synagogue tomorrow, so if you've been waiting for me to shut up for a while, your time is coming!

But really Bat probably does need to be resolved at this point either by a replacement or him engaging the game.

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UnderUrMattress
03/26/22 12:22:50 AM
#215:


Thoughts:

Confirmed Town:

Mzero - Bless your beautiful soul. I agree with the consensus that you're just IC here because scum vig and scum poisoner is just way too buffed.
Red - :(

Probably town:

Changmas - I don't really townread chang per se, but claiming bodyguard as scum is suicide. The only reason I'd see chang being scum here is if he's a scum PR that wants to get his actions off and then get disposed of. I'm very slightly paranoid about this, but at the end of the day, the claim will resolve itself.
Chris - Occam's razor says that he's just town here with his vote being frozen. We have similar reads despite me having a problem with them earlier. I guess that was just me not wanting to get owned by scum!Chris lol.

Towny:

Crescent - Very towny on both tone and her earnest desire to solve the game. The only reason she's not higher is because I'm scared that her being IC might not be plausible given we have MZero, Chris, red, and if I play my cards right, me.
IGCD - I have no reason to scumread them at all so I'm not gonna make one up. His vote on the Scare wagon was weird but that's about it. He just feels pure to me.
isquen - Perhaps just had a rough D1 but I don't know his reactions to everything happening in this game feel towny. I'm not sure if I want this spot to endgame, but I don't think I'd vote him any time soon.
Ulti - I don't get any bad vibes from Ulti but I will say that I have this dumb tinfoil that I should probably dismiss immediately that has him as scum.

POE:

Bat - This slot hasn't done much for the game and what he has done it's been fairly underwhelming. I think it's likely that he's gonna get subbed out and we'll get more from this slot when his replacement comes in.
Corrik - I thought his d1 was towny initially and I'm not entirely sold he's scum. His demeanor and approach is different today than it was yesterday. I do think he gave me a fair shake when pressuring me. However, Chris made a point earlier that the bandwagon on Scare could be entirely pure and Corrik hopped off to avoid getting blood on his hands, despite being the leader of it in the first place.
Panth - It's no secret to anyone that I've been very unimpressed with Panth this game. His pushes have just felt so calculated and insincere rather than them coming from a townie who wants to solve the game. I do also think that Sbell was bussed when MZero made his stance and Panth seems to be the most likely option. His most recent vote on me was very opportunistic and reachy.
Sultan - I did say that I was gonna defend him earlier, and I do still think he could very likely be town. Just upon reflection, I do think that he could possibly be paired with Corrik based on his initial push on him. It doesn't feel entirely authentic to me. But some of the pushes he's made do defy the general consensus of the game.

Ben:

Ben - jolly rancher


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MZero
03/26/22 12:24:57 AM
#216:


PunishedBen posted...
My only argument is that I don't think that flavor is particularly funny and half the things on the safelist are guaranteed to be wackier. Just look at sbell's role. This Reads like this kind of flavor is new to him and it's not the wackiest thing he could have been exposed to if scum

I mean, Scare was Jumping and death was Obligatory Volcano Area

it's possible scum has wilder flavor names. Or it might not matter who knows

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Corrik7
03/26/22 12:24:58 AM
#217:


UnderUrMattress posted...
IGCD - I have no reason to scumread them at all so I'm not gonna make one up. His vote on the Scare wagon was weird but that's about it. He just feels pure to me.
isquen - Perhaps just had a rough D1 but I don't know his reactions to everything happening in this game feel towny. I'm not sure if I want this spot to endgame, but I don't think I'd vote him any time soon.
Ulti - I don't get any bad vibes from Ulti but I will say that I have this dumb tinfoil that I should probably dismiss immediately that has him as scum.


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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:27:35 AM
#218:


MZero posted...
I mean, Scare was Jumping and death was Obligatory Volcano Area

it's possible scum has wilder flavor names. Or it might not matter who knows
The flavors feel so random it feels like town could just go out and fake a flavor if it felt like it.

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Corrik7
03/26/22 12:28:06 AM
#219:


What did Ben say his flavor was

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:29:25 AM
#220:


I'm ok with most of Marth's post, but Calling Chris ~confirmed town for being targeted by SBell is a very bad read.

SBell targeting him is solidly null.

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UnderUrMattress
03/26/22 12:31:37 AM
#221:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I'm ok with most of Marth's post, but Calling Chris ~confirmed town for being targeted by SBell is a very bad read.

SBell targeting him is solidly null.
Ok

I'm interested to hear about your thoughts on my current stance on you though

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:32:44 AM
#222:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Ok

I'm interested to hear about your thoughts on my current stance on you though
Your stance on me is Constant Vigilance.

It is a good stance to have.

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 12:39:29 AM
#223:


I said it was Illusionary Floors when I was going out and faking a flavor.


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Corrik7
03/26/22 12:49:41 AM
#224:


PunishedBen posted...
I said it was Illusionary Floors when I was going out and faking a flavor.
Does that mean your flavor is something else? If so, what?

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 12:51:30 AM
#225:


Corrik7 posted...
Does that mean your flavor is something else? If so, what?
"If only I had a Giant.... Pickle"

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 12:54:16 AM
#226:


^As in that is my flavor
PunishedBen posted...
"If only I had a Giant.... Pickle"


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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 12:55:13 AM
#227:


He turned himself into a pickle.

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red13n
03/26/22 1:07:11 AM
#228:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I'm ok with most of Marth's post, but Calling Chris ~confirmed town for being targeted by SBell is a very bad read.

SBell targeting him is solidly null.

Hell longstanding b8 meta says it increases his chance of being scum.

Also hi I'm pretty solidly busy with my pets right now don't expect a lot from me.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 1:14:44 AM
#229:


red13n posted...
Hell longstanding b8 meta says it increases his chance of being scum.

Also hi I'm pretty solidly busy with my pets right now don't expect a lot from me.
And that's why I split the difference and just don't care about it in either direction.

Pettings <3

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UnderUrMattress
03/26/22 1:20:07 AM
#230:


red13n posted...
Hell longstanding b8 meta says it increases his chance of being scum.

Also hi I'm pretty solidly busy with my pets right now don't expect a lot from me.
Hmmmm ok then he can go back in poe

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red13n
03/26/22 1:32:15 AM
#231:


MZero posted...


it's possible scum has wilder flavor names. Or it might not matter who knows

My flavor is not a long name.

My best guess for scum right now is "things that annoy plum".

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red13n
03/26/22 1:43:16 AM
#233:


The confirmed town list doesn't even fit a whole hand.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 1:45:44 AM
#234:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Just got home from Friday night with the boys. Tomorrow I'm hanging out with my wife all day, so I'm going to leave my vote as-is. I doubt it matters what order we kill the suspects in at this point anyway, because the confirmed town list is rapidly growing.
I take it you're in agreement that Chang is virtually certain town because of how today played out?

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 1:49:10 AM
#235:


red13n posted...
The confirmed town list doesn't even fit a whole hand.

MZero is essentially confirmed and Chang is close to it.

We seem to have a lot of virtually universal town reads in general. I do agree that complacency feels like a risk, though.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 1:54:04 AM
#236:


I'd like to note I don't believe Panthera ever claimed a flavor, despite my request.

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Corrik7
03/26/22 2:09:40 AM
#238:


14 left. 4 10
4 7 after tonight if a mislynch. You are almost in have to lynch the indy territory at that point.

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 2:21:08 AM
#239:


Corrik7 posted...
14 left. 4 10
4 7 after tonight if a mislynch. You are almost in have to lynch the indy territory at that point.
Where'd you get 4 scum alive from?

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Corrik7
03/26/22 2:40:13 AM
#240:


PunishedBen posted...
Where'd you get 4 scum alive from?
3 scum + you.

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red13n
03/26/22 2:55:32 AM
#241:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Chang unless he and Chris are pulling a gambit together (lol)

How are we getting to this logic leap?

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red13n
03/26/22 2:57:39 AM
#242:


Also that cut out a chris part of that. But confirming both town doesn't seem to exist right now.

I mean, I'm in no way likely willing to lynch a BG claim at this stage of the game, but I don't see anything that confirms chris/chang.

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MZero
03/26/22 3:07:08 AM
#244:


red13n posted...
My flavor is not a long name.

My best guess for scum right now is "things that annoy plum".

I was going to say that but I decided not to in case a scum decided to claim their actual flavor

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red13n
03/26/22 3:34:51 AM
#245:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Scum doesnt claim bodyguard and Chris is more or less confirmed today. The only way either is scum is if both are, which I find impossible.

I have you at A. How are you getting to B?

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red13n
03/26/22 3:39:20 AM
#246:


Nevermind the C there which is a connection that doesn't seem to exist.

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Corrik7
03/26/22 5:27:00 AM
#247:


The thinking is that Chang wouldn't have claimed bodyguard on someone that scum targeted which Sbell did as scum. That sbell wouldn't have froze chris' vote if he wasn't town. Thus both are town.

I see now that is very flimsy thinking though and discounts scum being creative with the role.

Actually. Sbell targeting Chris if Chris were scum wouldn't have been a bad idea. And Chang could just be coincidental. But, if they planned that from the start, then why not?

That is probably TOO much tying each other together to have all 3 involved with one another though.

That said, I am drawing quite a lack of clear view on who is scum this game, so perhaps I am not thinking outside the box enough.

I'll think it over. But, my reads didn't appear to be very good day 1, if in the box is apt thinking. I do think my Chris is scum argument was good until the bodyguard, vote freeze stuff was thrown into it however.

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Corrik7
03/26/22 5:30:08 AM
#248:


If Chris isn't scum then Chang claiming the bodyguard on Chris is probably extremely stupid for scum.

Thus, Chang can probably only be scum if Chris is scum too.

If Chris is town, Chang has to be town also.

Chang maybe has to be town regardless. I need to look again when he claimed in relation to sbells flip.

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Corrik7
03/26/22 5:30:36 AM
#249:


If he claimed after sbells flip, he can be scum. If before his flip, probably has to be town.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 6:04:35 AM
#250:


Anyway my alignment doesn't matter because I am awesome and will kill scum. Panthera reminds of death last game tbh.

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