Board 8 > Elden Ring Mafia Topic 7: Consecratered Snowfield

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:32:32 PM
#451:


changmas posted...
i've decided it prolly does more harm than good to ask so i'm not asking anymore. sorry for the false alarm lol


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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:34:08 PM
#452:


The offspring of death and panthera would be the perfect human as far as knowing when to hit the enter key is concerned

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 5:34:28 PM
#453:


Also if someone I suspected yesterday and then skipped eod when they said they would be back on a town lynch also faked a vanilla claim after I scanned them turns out to be town I am going to puke.

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:39:02 PM
#454:


changmas posted...
oh yeah i did want to ask, did we want to try and decide on someone to receive the blessing tomorrow, assuming that there's another one?
No clue right now if it will work the same way or what it will be. If it does work the same way, lets agree to give the ability to Mzero. If Mzero is dead, lets go with YOU, changmas

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 5:40:10 PM
#455:


I should get all the abilities to become a reverse THANOS

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Sheep007
03/26/22 5:41:07 PM
#456:


Also I can kinda understand Panth's argument here considering he's basically, as Chris pointed out, using the same points as I did last game. Chris did a gambit, faked a claim (I actually did the same thing where I claimed a scan on him and he said he was doctor after claiming vanilla, it's really quite poetic), didn't really hit any scum D1, defended newer and scum players, lived til D3, the whole shebang. He flipped town after we lynched him.

I do think some of these are probably slight scumtells for Chris, and I'm still wary of him - he's a good enough player that you can almost never fully clear him when he's alive, and there's a shitton of wifom meta here regardless of his alignment, after last game. Buuuuuuuut yeah not lynching him today sorry. Chris' game has changed over the years. I didn't know it too well before and I probably still don't, but this is certainly not outside his town range.

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Leafeon13N
03/26/22 5:41:32 PM
#457:


PunishedBen posted...
No clue right now if it will work the same way or what it will be. If it does work the same way, lets agree to give the ability to Mzero. If Mzero is dead, lets go with YOU, changmas
I dont trust that your abilities yield positive results.

What do you know about what you do?
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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:46:44 PM
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Panthera posted...
And Ben was a guy who went very under the radar despite being fairly active and we know have pretty good reason to say he was deliberately aiming to achieve that, trying to drag attention onto him was a good idea. I may not have been correct (well, sort of on Ben) barring some galaxy brain scum gambit shit with Chang but I don't think any of these were bad ideas. In hindsight I wish I had pushed on Ben a bit more even though I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have done anything.

Also, what's this garbo? So confident I am third party. You even say "barring some scum gambit shit", so you leave it up in the air that I could still be scum, but you don't leave any kind of room that I could be town. It doesn't make sense to me from my actions that a genuine player would be that dialed into the Ben is not town narrative.

Anyway, hardly needed to add


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UnderUrMattress
03/26/22 5:47:39 PM
#459:


When's eod

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 5:47:52 PM
#460:


little over 2 hours

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Panthera
03/26/22 5:48:10 PM
#461:


Sheep007 posted...
Okay, I've caught up on the walls of text and I have some thoughts, but first...

Panth, let's say I'm not lynching Chris today and you're not gonna be getting enough others onboard to take him down. I'm a nice guy, I like winning, I don't wanna lynch claimed protection nor a potentially game-winning town player. Who else would I be voting today?

I haven't put nearly as much thought into the non-Chris scum as I did into the Chris matter but I'll try to work through it here. I'm coming down to Ulti, Corrik, Sultan, IGCD, Marth and you. I think the others not in that group are for obvious reasons based on the game and the walls but I can clarify if need be. I'm okay with you living for a day to build a better read than I ever really had on Bat. My scenario for Ulti to be scum was based on a scum Isquen due to his defense of the latter, but now that I've moved off that position I don't have much problem with him. I think I saw you not being a fan so I would be open to hearing a case on this one if you have it, this is a "the one potentially scummy thing I saw now looks invalid" clear rather than a "this is clearly town to me" clear.

I'm going to go out on a limb now and guess I've missed the mark on Marth. Chris has made two references to going along with him on voting me and I think that's one more than there would be as teammates, especially when the latter was just kind of bringing it up out of nowhere as a sort of joke protesting that it led to wall mode. After a night's sleep to clear my head I can see his behaviour towards me fitting more into a town mindset, I do like that he was trying to coax Chris into following him on me even if I don't like the Chris actually doing it part.

So narrowing down to Corrik, Sultan and IGCD. Sultan has felt very on brand to himself and I don't mind his third party meta thing when Chang had already raised the matter. He's been pretty inconsequential though and while I agree with you on his SBell interaction (at least I think that was you) not being likely scum/scum I don't find it fully definitive. Corrik has been pretty weirdly muted this game and kind of content to coast on the early Crescent weirdness giving him something to dwell on endlessly. Originally I figured he was doing his common "This is confirmed, see you tomorrow, actually I'm back now and I'll start doing other stuff more and more" routine but it seems like he's not really moving on too strongly. I could definitely see him being scum having an off game here and going through the motions of replicating the town qualities that make people roll their eyes at him.

IGCD bugs me purely for the fact that the alleged clear people have on him is posting about Ulti, Chris and Crescent being scum supposedly is too much poking the bear for him to do as scum, but the thing is no one has cared about it at all so that doesn't hold water. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to just offer up a bold statement knowing no one will focus on it just to look like he was willing to go there. That said his claim is a bit weird and seems like it has a lot of potential to trip itself up so leaving him for now could be fine.

I guess Ben exists too but it seems like we're just kind of rolling with him as third party right now for whatever reason.

So I guess I'd say you should vote for Corrik, maybe IGCD. Could hear arguments on Ulti. But really you should be voting for Chris. I could be persuaded on those three but Chris is the one I already feel confident on.

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:48:22 PM
#462:


Leafeon13N posted...
I dont trust that your abilities yield positive results.

What do you know about what you do?
That I get better rewards the more good ratings I get.

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Sheep007
03/26/22 5:48:23 PM
#463:


guess I need to do my ISO on Marth now they're here

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changmas
03/26/22 5:48:48 PM
#464:


PunishedBen posted...
No clue right now if it will work the same way or what it will be. If it does work the same way, lets agree to give the ability to Mzero. If Mzero is dead, lets go with YOU, changmas

This makes sense to me. Does anyone strongly object?


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UnderUrMattress
03/26/22 5:48:54 PM
#465:


##unvote

I see that Panth posted a massive wall and I need to read it before I proceed with this vote.


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Corrik7
03/26/22 5:49:54 PM
#466:


Should lynch the 3rd party. Red is right. The powers aren't going to be inherently pro-town. His goal is to win by any means. It's a suckers bet.

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Leafeon13N
03/26/22 5:50:24 PM
#467:


PunishedBen posted...
That I get better rewards the more good ratings I get.
So qhat is the point of bad ratings?

None of this points to a role that isn't third party.
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Sheep007
03/26/22 5:50:52 PM
#468:


Panthera posted...
IGCD bugs me purely for the fact that the alleged clear people have on him is posting about Ulti, Chris and Crescent being scum supposedly is too much poking the bear for him to do as scum, but the thing is no one has cared about it at all so that doesn't hold water. I don't think it's unreasonable for him to just offer up a bold statement knowing no one will focus on it just to look like he was willing to go there. That said his claim is a bit weird and seems like it has a lot of potential to trip itself up so leaving him for now could be fine.
I feel a bit better about IGCD after the claim but yeah, I don't think this particular post is anything more than a town lean.

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UnderUrMattress
03/26/22 5:51:01 PM
#469:


Corrik7 posted...
Should lynch the 3rd party. Red is right. The powers aren't going to be inherently pro-town. His goal is to win by any means. It's a suckers bet.
Not opposed to this.

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changmas
03/26/22 5:51:53 PM
#470:


Panthera posted...
So narrowing down to Corrik, Sultan and IGCD.

rule of three enjoyers going to have a field day with this one

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 5:52:11 PM
#471:


*makes notes*

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Panthera
03/26/22 5:53:46 PM
#472:


PunishedBen posted...
The offspring of death and panthera would be the perfect human as far as knowing when to hit the enter key is concerned

Worth it for this comment lmao

PunishedBen posted...
Also, what's this garbo? So confident I am third party. You even say "barring some scum gambit shit", so you leave it up in the air that I could still be scum, but you don't leave any kind of room that I could be town. It doesn't make sense to me from my actions that a genuine player would be that dialed into the Ben is not town narrative.

? The galaxy brain scum gambit is in reference to Chang who would have to be breadcrumbing a protection claim on a teammate his team is already planning to target with something else for WIFOM purposes in order to be scum. I've reiterated a few times throughout the day that you being scum is too implausible for me to consider. I said I'm glad I tried to bring attention to you and wish I had pushed it a bit more, and said "sort of" correct on you in reference to thinking you're likely third party. Which, yes, I believe. Possible you're town but you being indy is just a lot more believable to me than being town who gets told the existence of an independent and who gets at least one power to hand out to anyone who claims it, which feels like a super-indy gimmick.

Also Chris I see you responded in a lot more depth than I expected, I'll get to it in a bit (and will stick to the parts I find most relevant to address to avoid going into even more hardcore text dumps)

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:54:15 PM
#473:


Man part of me has really wanted to lean into the third party thing to not get shot at night >_>

But at the same time its making me mad its so accepted that I cant tell who is scum or town saying it

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 5:54:34 PM
#474:


Also Chris I see you responded in a lot more depth than I expected

Now this I 100% believe ;)

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:54:55 PM
#475:


Leafeon13N posted...
So qhat is the point of bad ratings?

None of this points to a role that isn't third party.
So that once you rate bad you can never change your mind to good i guess? They're probably there because it fits the flavor

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Sheep007
03/26/22 5:55:45 PM
#476:


Hey Ben, if you don't wanna be read as third party I can explain my read of the situation to try and clear things up. Or you can not. Your choice.

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DoomTheGyarados
03/26/22 5:56:53 PM
#477:


Anyway who wants a town cookie

what is the big, huge, amazingly alarming problem with panthera counter voting me here

it's pretty big

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Sheep007
03/26/22 5:57:15 PM
#478:


new topic

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79959973

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PunishedBen
03/26/22 5:59:18 PM
#479:


Sheep I did notice you said you think I'm town. So that does make you unique. I'm pretty sure I'm not getting lynched so only pull it out if I'm in danger lol.

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Isquen
03/26/22 5:59:51 PM
#480:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Anyway who wants a town cookie

what is the big, huge, amazingly alarming problem with panthera counter voting me here

it's pretty big

The part where they didn't mention who they doctored last night or explained the "where'd you go last night?" Or something. I still haven't looked over the claim with a fine-toothed comb.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/26/22 6:05:59 PM
#481:


Isquen posted...
The part where they didn't mention who they doctored last night or explained the "where'd you go last night?" Or something. I still haven't looked over the claim with a fine-toothed comb.


If you read it he said moon...

Working my way through all the walls but I did catch this one

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 6:06:19 PM
#482:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
Anyway who wants a town cookie

what is the big, huge, amazingly alarming problem with panthera counter voting me here

it's pretty big
That the only way you knew that and could be scum was if you're scum with a scan or scum that blatantly guessed it? It makes more "sense" if you're just town with a scan, and he voted you.

Your town motive for claiming it exceeds your scum motive, though I do find it weird your claim wasn't made sooner.

I simply cannot read these walls on my phone they all wait.

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Crescent-Moon
03/26/22 6:08:23 PM
#483:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
If you read it he said moon...

Working my way through all the walls but I did catch this one
Why in lord's name would anyone doctor me night 1? I'd want a legit explanation here.

After the big distraction I was yesterday, no scum in their right mind was shooting me last night. They'd leave me alive, try to shoot power, and hope to use me as a distraction again.

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