Poll of the Day > Lost Ark is out tomorrow in the US, anyone else planning on trying it?

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I have not traditionally loved Korean MMO's, although the guild wars games were pretty fun, I never got deeply into either of them, and that was by far the most I played any Korean MMO so far.

Hoping this is good though, it has great reviews and many say it plays much like Diablo.

Anyone played beta at all?

Nah, I'll pass...SWTOR new expansion is coming next week, and been playing PSO2/New Genesis in the meantime

Plus it looks too much like every other Medieval/Sci-Fi MMO out there (***cough***FFXIV***cough***)

was guild wars korean? pretty sure the dev was from washington

lolno

Ah, thought guild wars was, just remembered it wrong I guess. Never played em that much. Do remember one of the dances was the micheal jackson thriller dance and another was the Elaine Dance from Sienfield heh...dances were the best part.

Looks kinda Diablo-esque, but I rather wait for D4.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Looks kinda Diablo-esque, but I rather wait for D4.

It's not.

It's supposed to be F2P so maybe I'll check it out if it's not a big download.

Also, Guild Wars was made by people who worked on the Diablo games.

I think I was in the Guild wars (1) beta, i was in all the MMO betas early on (WoW/Daoc/Everquest etc).

Think I kept that up through guild wars and of course Dungeons and Dragons online (my most played mmo).

I just hope it's fun. I already downloaded it to prepare.

It looks interesting, but I doubt my PC could run it properly.

It's been out in Korea for a few years. It's apparently fine at first but then gets extremely grindy the closer you get to endgame, and supposedly there isn't much of an endgame.

I'll be staying miles away from this thing.

DocDelicious posted...

It's been out in Korea for a few years. It's apparently fine at first but then gets extremely grindy the closer you get to endgame, and supposedly there isn't much of an endgame.

I'll be staying miles away from this thing.

Argh... Grind for the sake of grind, because that's the Korean gaming way.

I'll stick to my list of goals in FFXIV, with other projects in between them, because at least, as grindy as that game can get at some points, it tries to respect most players' time; just not achievement hunting types like I used to be.

Yeah, I'm mostly just killing time till Elden Ring tbh. I got a trip coming up in a week as well, so really just need to enjoy it for a week or so, then I'll be into elden ring and there is more stuff coming out after that.

Judgmenl posted...

It's not.

Roommate who got it hour 1: It's basically a less good and less thematic Diablo
Me watching him play for a bit: Ditto.

It's not even the same genre.
Please stop shilling the game.

No.

I saw it was published by Amazon and nope-ed out right then and there.

But on a more basic level, a game needs to make money. That's why people make games (even when it's a passion project the company needs enough income to be able to afford that). When it comes to F2P games this almost always means either you'll eventually reach a point where you're basically stuck unless you do a massive amount of grinding or there will be a heavy focus on lootboxes or both. Graphics and art are also VERY costly. If a game has good graphics it cost a lot to develop. If a F2P game has good graphics it needs to earn a LOT of money in order to make back those costs. That means you need to shell out a LOT. Think about Raid. It's 'free' but if you want to get anywheres you need to shell out cash if you don't wanna be stuck with garbage tier stuff. That game milks you for all your worth an it only had to appeal to mobile phones. This game is MUCH more costly to develop. I don't even need to look further than the trailer and F2P listing to know it's gonna suck.

But to make it worse it's published by Amazon. Amazon's show itself to be extremely greedy and inept and it's only got, like, one game out. New World had terrible design concepts right from the start (who, in their right mind, would suggest a PvP-always full loot MMO? That's, like, the WORST idea possible for a MMO!) and couldn't even resolve basic issues and bugs along with being riddled with terrible design choices throughout. I feel confident that this attitude will carry over into New World and will result in a game that's little more than a shoddy cashgrab hidden by pretty graphics.

Unbridled9 posted...

who, in their right mind, would suggest a PvP-always full loot MMO? That's, like, the WORST idea possible for a MMO!

Interesting that you mention this as it's the one bit of praise I've seen the game get. Like even if someone hates everything about the game generally they'll say something like "but the full-loot PvP was great".

With the success of games like Escape from Tarkov, Rust, Mortal Online (and MO2), I hope we see more games pick up this feature. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and Dark Age of Camelot, and I desperately want more.

DocDelicious posted...

Interesting that you mention this as it's the one bit of praise I've seen the game get. Like even if someone hates everything about the game generally they'll say something like "but the full-loot PvP was great".

With the success of games like Escape from Tarkov, Rust, Mortal Online (and MO2), I hope we see more games pick up this feature. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and Dark Age of Camelot, and I desperately want more.

DAoC rocked:)

DocDelicious posted...

Interesting that you mention this as it's the one bit of praise I've seen the game get. Like even if someone hates everything about the game generally they'll say something like "but the full-loot PvP was great".

With the success of games like Escape from Tarkov, Rust, Mortal Online (and MO2), I hope we see more games pick up this feature. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and Dark Age of Camelot, and I desperately want more.

Saying "successful" and "Mortal Online" in the sentence is hilarious at best. I'd post a Josh Strife Hayes video (from before he was popular and actually made content) but I'm way too lazy for that.

I got it.

I dont play with KB&M. Spent the whole day playing gunner(Deadeye) with KB&M. Felt the game was meh.

Then I switched to controller and fucking woke up cant waiting to play. Its really good. Really fun. But Im new to it and keep wondering if I chose the right class.

Judgmenl posted...

Saying "successful" and "Mortal Online" in the sentence is hilarious at best. I'd post a Josh Strife Hayes video (from before he was popular and actually made content) but I'm way too lazy for that.

Aside from the serious issues MO2 is having with their servers right now the game is a massive success. They sold over 100k copies.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/8/5/AAZknmAAC6M9.png
They actually have people playing, so good for them.
The game is like extremely niche.

DocDelicious posted...

Interesting that you mention this as it's the one bit of praise I've seen the game get. Like even if someone hates everything about the game generally they'll say something like "but the full-loot PvP was great".

With the success of games like Escape from Tarkov, Rust, Mortal Online (and MO2), I hope we see more games pick up this feature. It reminds me of the glory days of Ultima Online, Star Wars Galaxies, and Dark Age of Camelot, and I desperately want more.

Considering Rust is the only one of those I've heard of, I'd say it's not as popular as you seem to think.

But anyways, let's seriously think about it. Imagine you are a new player who just picked up the game. Not at launch but a few weeks to a month afterwards. You're starting to play but you have common and trash quality gear compared to the better players. You have NO chance of winning against them what-so-ever or, at the least, if you COULD win it either takes far more skill than can reasonably be expected or, conversely, gear matters so little that it's irrelevant. However, you scrape by using common and uncommon gear. Then, finally, you get a piece of rare gear. You're ecstatic cause you finally have something decent! You step out of the dungeon... and get bodied by some **** in epic and legendary quality gear. They take that sword you worked hard for and either go to sell it off or destroy it in front of you. All that hard work gone to waste at the hands of someone you couldn't hope to fight against who didn't even need it. Would YOU stay subscribed?

The only way it works is is gear is either so easy to come by or so irrelevant to the actual combat that it's rendered effectively moot. If some scrub in commons can kill you and take your epic gear almost as easily as if he had it, then what's the point? If it's so easy to obtain said epic gear that everyone has it and you can replace it easily, what's the point? It's a self-defeating concept. If you have full-loot PvP either your stats are so meaningless that there's no point to the full loot, they're so easy to replace that there's no point to the full loot, or your player base is going to vanish quickly because there's full-loot.

And, let's not forget, that this ONLY appeals to the fanbase that likes PvP exclusively in a genre that's already solidly 'niche'. Players who enjoy PvE content (which is, easily, the majority of MMO players) won't even bother with such a game. If the PvP can't even be toggled off and you're someone who hates PvP, or at least PvP outside of voluntary battlegrounds, why would you bother even checking out a game whose main selling point is it's PvP?

Keep in mind, this applies to MMO's in GENERAL, not just New World. I'm not saying that the concept can't work. There's certainly a niche for it. But it's not a large one and you've limited yourself twice already just by making it a PvP-focused MMO. Nevermind players who will stop playing because it's not fun to get ganked by players who they have no chance against.

So yea. Full-loot always-PvP MMO's are a horrible idea. Odds are the 'playerbase' you're listening too is a small group of players who were on the high end of the gear spectrum to the point where they could easily destroy weaker players and not weaker players who stuck around.

I'll be honest, that ANYONE is still playing New Worlds after all the flaws, negative press, poor design, and just everything completely baffles me. There's much better MMO's out there and my only speculation is that it's getting a boost from WoW's sinking ship and XIV being too flooded to be able to take in new players.

Judgmenl posted...

It's not even the same genre.
Please stop shilling the game.

It literally is. Both are action RPGs, with the only difference is LA is MMO, and Diablo isn't. It's a paper-thin distinction in this case. It's not like it's sports vs FPS or whatever.

And do you mean "shitting", like shitting on?

HornedLion posted...

I got it.

I dont play with KB&M. Spent the whole day playing gunner(Deadeye) with KB&M. Felt the game was meh.

Then I switched to controller and fucking woke up cant waiting to play. Its really good. Really fun. But Im new to it and keep wondering if I chose the right class.

Wont' let me play till tomorrow. So much hate for this game, but at the same time many people are saying it's massively addicting (and complaining about that mostly lolz).

I will try with a controller first to give it a better chance. If I don't like it, i'll just keep playing my current PoE character till I go on my trip, and when I get back Elden Ring will be ready.

Have not actually played a MMO for awhile (since Phantasy Star Online 2 came out in the US...like a year ago or so?) and only played the last one like a month or less. None have really caught my attention since Dungeons and Dragons Online......but damn if I don't actually really need a good MMO to get lost in.

Back in the day MUDS like 3k could keep me entertained forever. In fact, I replayed 3k again a few years ago and that is by far the most I have played a MMO in like a decade. I still got in like 8+ hours a day on that.

Most other MMO's just don't have enough progression and everything takes so long or you don't have much character customization etc.

wolfy42 posted...

Wont' let me play till tomorrow. So much hate for this game, but at the same time many people are saying it's massively addicting (and complaining about that mostly lolz).

I will try with a controller first to give it a better chance. If I don't like it, i'll just keep playing my current PoE character till I go on my trip, and when I get back Elden Ring will be ready.

Have not actually played a MMO for awhile (since Phantasy Star Online 2 came out in the US...like a year ago or so?) and only played the last one like a month or less. None have really caught my attention since Dungeons and Dragons Online......but damn if I don't actually really need a good MMO to get lost in.

Back in the day MUDS like 3k could keep me entertained forever. In fact, I replayed 3k again a few years ago and that is by far the most I have played a MMO in like a decade. I still got in like 8+ hours a day on that.

Most other MMO's just don't have enough progression and everything takes so long or you don't have much character customization etc.

FFXIV's well worth looking into. I don't know if the free trial's resumed yet, but if it is you get both ARR and Heavensward for free with no subscription and you only need to pony up if you wanna get into Stormblood/Shadowbringers/Endwalker. It's story is top-notch and the gameplay is very solid as well (if slow at the start). It's got a ton of character customization and it's gear designs tend to be far better than the WoW body-paint style. Best part is it's a game not defined by it's endgame raiding/PvP scene. Once you finish the story you can, say, focus on buying and maintaining a house, leveling other classes, hunting down glamor pieces, whatever else and not 'fall behind'. The developers have even said that they DON'T want you to ever feel like you're forced to play and would much rather you take a break and unsubscribe than do something that makes it so that you HAVE to play or fall behind.

I think I was in the FFXIV beta, I know I played it at launch. Never went back to it though (or maybe tried it again once a long time ago but only briefly). Now that it's free I wouldn't need to try and figure out my old account to play it again. Back then (at launch) there were parts you pretty much had to party for, which kinda sucks for me.

I've tried some of Ark now, just played the female gunslinger so far. It's ok, but both very easy, and kinda meh on the actual combat so far. I may need to try a different class (this one just hasn't really been fun yet).

wolfy42 posted...

I think I was in the FFXIV beta, I know I played it at launch. Never went back to it though (or maybe tried it again once a long time ago but only briefly). Now that it's free I wouldn't need to try and figure out my old account to play it again. Back then (at launch) there were parts you pretty much had to party for, which kinda sucks for me.

I've tried some of Ark now, just played the female gunslinger so far. It's ok, but both very easy, and kinda meh on the actual combat so far. I may need to try a different class (this one just hasn't really been fun yet).

If you are referring to 1.0 (which is most likely the case) then the game completely changed with A Realm Reborn. You don't need to party at all outside of dungeons (obvious) and some FATES/hunts (which are entirely optional). Even then the party finder is great, you'll never have trouble getting a party, and when you do the community is extremely non-toxic and supportive. So you don't need to worry about, say, the party going off on you and attempting to kick and/or disband because of a wipe.

Edit: Free trial is still suspended. However the starter edition, which has all the expansions except endbringer, is only 20 bucks and comes with a free month.

A few of my friends and I are going into it together. Hope it's good, since today is the first day that all of us can play together.

Sadly I already deleted it. I tried 2 classes but was bored to death with both of em. Hopefully others enjoy it more than I did, but I found Diablo 3 more fun, and I didn't really enjoy D3 much (Played D2 again recently way more).

Not having luck with MMO's lately, guess I'm burned out.

wolfy42 posted...

Sadly I already deleted it. I tried 2 classes but was bored to death with both of em. Hopefully others enjoy it more than I did, but I found Diablo 3 more fun, and I didn't really enjoy D3 much (Played D2 again recently way more).

Not having luck with MMO's lately, guess I'm burned out.

Assuming you're talking about XIV, it's important to keep going. You're learning the basics of your class and getting their rotations and skills hammered into you which becomes important later on as the difficulty of bosses increases and you reach a point where you NEED to know and understand your rotations and skills on an instinctual level.

I main dancer. I gotta keep two patterned steps up (I.E. gotta get 2/4 quick key-inputs done accurately), got two OGC abilities that both buff and proc additional attacks, and TWO random attack rotations I gotta keep an eye on (three if you split AoE and single). This isn't to mention my shield samba and my heal. In order to be a good dancer I need to not only keep an eye on the fight but know exactly how my abilities are working and everything. A missed technical step is not only a major DPS-loss for me, but for whatever team-mate I'm partnered up with. A simple step isn't too crippling but that's still a DPS loss on both our parts. It's not easy. I don't know if other class rotations have it harder or not...

But when I level synch for a low-level fate or dungeon my abilities are so limited in comparison. What is normally a rapid and delicate dance is reduced to basically a brain-dead rotation where I keep having to remind myself that certain abilities can't be used. Seriously throws me off to remember I don't need to track fans or keep an eye out for my OGC abilities.

So yea. Early on it might seem easy, but more and more pile up as you level until what might have been a stupidly easy thing early on is now something you just gotta KNOW to do well.

Plus, if you're talking about 1.0... It's seriously changed. IIRC 1.0 didn't even have auto-attack.

Unbridled9 posted...

Plus, if you're talking about 1.0... It's seriously changed. IIRC 1.0 didn't even have auto-attack.

I was talking about Lost Ark. I have not given FF a try again yet. I could look up my old account probably, but I think there is still a monthly fee. If you could play the early stuff for free I might try it again, but otherwise I'll wait till after I destroy Elden Ring since I don't wanna get involved in something and then take a break (it often kills MMO's for me to take a break although In FF I could just switch to a different class so it wouldn't be too bad.

I did enjoy it though and I am sure I could get into it...so maybe after Elden ring I'll start playing it again. I don't mind paying $20 a month if I'm having fun, but I'm gonna be gone most of this month (heading to CA, so it's kinda a waste, and then next month I'm dedicating to Elden ring, so not a good time to try something like FF.

Played maybe ten minutes. I didn't care and for a game that's been out for years why are some classes missing their advance forms? Do you just miss out on progression and power for no good reason, because you choose poorly?

You guys regret playing it yet?
I've lost like 100 social credit points on reddit bashing this game and the developers.

Judgmenl posted...

You guys regret playing it yet?
I've lost like 100 social credit points on reddit bashing this game and the developers.

Ain't much to regret other than just not being into it and I was hoping it would distract me till Elden. That being said, I'm enjoying my current POE char (big reason I only gave it around 2-4 hours) so it's no big loss.

Now if I had spent any money on it at all, that would have been different, but I didn't.

I just wish they would actually make a really fun action/rpg MMO. I might give the new/revisted PSO 2 a try sometime (the one that was released last year in NA got old fast for me). The last decent action/rpg MMO was Dungeons and dragons online but I played that game to freaking DEATH.

FFXIV was fun, but more along the lines of WoW which means all chars progress pretty much in the same way, no character customization, and it's more turn based/use skills in order based, then action rpg. I can still enjoy those and I may play it, but DDO has mostly ruined me for them.

Rotpar posted...

Played maybe ten minutes. I didn't care and for a game that's been out for years why are some classes missing their advance forms? Do you just miss out on progression and power for no good reason, because you choose poorly?

Wait what? You choose your advance class and start off as it once you pick it in the beginning.

lihlih posted...

Wait what? You choose your advance class and start off as it once you pick it in the beginning.

Perhaps he means a few only have 1 choice right now.

Honestly though, they really should have had the advance class come later, have more direct ways to power up your character (Based on choices) early on, and then slowly give out new abilities as you go. I did see that was possible (choosing them and leveling them up), but some (like the gunslinger) had a freakton of choices right off already, but only a couple were actually good. I tried a few others (like martial artist) but all the attacks seemed almost identical.

Maybe it gets better but meh, I just wasn't feeling it at all. Also you didn't NEED to be stronger because everything just freaking died anyway. I never healed myself once, as either character. What is the point (if you can even do it) of creating a character, choosing skills, finding equipment etc to make yourself stronger, if you can just walk through everything anyway.

That of course was the curse of Diablo 3 for me (which at least did have alot more things you could improve as you went, equipment (as long as there wasn't a Real Life Auction house to ruin it) did matter some etc). Back when it released you had to play through the story mode of D3 and it was easy to the point of abject boredom.

I felt the same with this game, without the Diablo theme, or even as much impact as equipment had in D3.

Hope other people enjoy it, but I gave up and won't be trying it again.

I've never played an MMORPG before, but I heard this was like Diablo which I enjoy. How?

GGuirao13 posted...

I've never played an MMORPG before, but I heard this was like Diablo which I enjoy. How?

It's (from what I saw) similar in some ways to Diablo 3, it's the same type of combat. It has abilities per character/class and you can choose which abilities you want to put in your hotbar and gain more abilities as you level up.

It's a tiny bit more like D2 then D3 is in that you can actually advance abilities or put points in it, but.....not enough like D2 to interest me.

The combat is also VERY easy like D3...which was the part I disliked the most. In D3 you can at least avoid the story and zoom a character up pretty fast (now at least, not at laucnh). In Lost Ark you need to play through (50?) levels or so of extremely easy content before I guess end game happens. I don't know, didn't have the patience to find out.

Some people really like the game though, so I say give it a shot. It just didn't do it for me though.

lihlih posted...

Wait what? You choose your advance class and start off as it once you pick it in the beginning.

Female gunslinger has no advanced classes, I just reselect the gunslinger class. So I have no idea what happens when they finally figure out how to add shooting to boobs; do I get an advanced class then? Am I missing out on progression forever? Is this something they charge ten bucks for?

Really goddamn stupid class design here.

Rotpar posted...

Female gunslinger has no advanced classes, I just reselect the gunslinger class. So I have no idea what happens when they finally figure out how to add shooting to boobs; do I get an advanced class then? Am I missing out on progression forever? Is this something they charge ten bucks for?

Really goddamn stupid class design here.

The female advanced class for GUNNER is the GUNSLINGER. I know they sound kind of similar, but come on man, how can you not tell the difference between 2 different words?