Poll of the Day > Biden to give out safe smoking kits that could include crack pipes.

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MartianManchild
02/09/22 9:39:25 AM
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https://news.yahoo.com/gop-outraged-30m-biden-plan-010656419.html
Conservative legislators are outraged by recent reports that a Biden administration drug harm reduction programme may put some of its funds towards safer smoking kits.
On Tuesday, US Senator Marsha Black of Tennessee wrote to the department of Health and Human Services, expressing grave concerns that a $30 million grant programme from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) could include subsidising drug paraphernalia.
"Government-funded drug paraphernalia is a slap in the face to the communities and first responders fighting against drugs flowing into our country from a wide-open southern border," Ms Blackburn wrote in her letter. "If this is the presidents plan to address drug abuse, our nation is in serious trouble."
A description of the programme, reported by The Washington Free Beacon, says funding could go towards smoking kits/supplies. The Beacon added that an HHS spokesperson explained these kits could include pipes that could be used for drugs like crack cocaine.
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Notschmendrake
02/09/22 9:52:35 AM
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Hes a big dummy. Still, given that the war on drugs is a complete and total waste of money failure, and that countries that have tried similar programs where they treat drug addiction instead of punishing it have seen marked drops in drug use and addiction, sounds like a good idea to me.

Of course, I'm sure OP would prefer that we keep throwing cheap labor into the prison industrial complex rather than actually try to solve the problem, so really I'm just talking to a brick wall here.
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Jen0125
02/09/22 10:19:24 AM
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Awesome. Sounds great.
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wpot
02/09/22 10:21:05 AM
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Yes, the easy reaction is: "OMG we're encouraging people to use drugs".

The point is:
1) We're paying a large medical for treating drug overdoses. Whether conservatives want to pretend it's not happening or not we're all paying for the treatment of these people in the hospital because they aren't turned away: the costs for those not covered by insurance are added to the costs of doing business, those are passed to insurers...and then us. Furthermore, they use up beds that could be devoted to others (particularly in a pandemic).
2) We're paying a large prison bill for locking all of these people up, feeding them, etc.
3) We're paying a large societal cost because of crime linked to drug abuse.
Etc etc.

I would hope that this is an example of engaging with the problem and trying to solve it, rather than pretending that by simply opposing it (declaring war on it) every step of the way we're going to get a good result. Declaring war on countries and occupying them is a great way to make the people there not like us and drift towards viewpoints we dislike. Declaring war on drugs is a great way to lose connections with drug users and push them into the arms of criminals who happily profit from them. Neither "war" is effective at achieving the goal we say we want to achieve: it just satisfies a simplistic "we're fighting bad guys" need that many have.

But again: is the program in the article going to do more harm than good? I don't know. I seriously doubt that those complaining have thought it through either.

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Archgoat
02/09/22 10:31:17 AM
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The level of hyperbole in this story that is the current right wing outrage is pretty funny to me. They all want to hyper focus on crack pipes. Probably since to many of those outraged, crack = inner city = brown people... "oh no scary!". I could probably find a lot of worse things the government wastes millions on.
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pionear
02/09/22 10:55:26 AM
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Similar to the 'Needle' programs some Cities have, but yea, on paper its sounds terrible...

I think finding a 'pipe' to smoke Crack in is less difficult of disposing/getting clean needles

With all the Homeless and not enough Affordable Housing, that 30 million could be better spent

Just more Gov't waste for the 'War on Drugs'

And FYI, Seattle tried this and from what I've read/heard it failed Badly
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Veedrock-
02/09/22 10:58:26 AM
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But do the pipes have microchips

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wpot
02/09/22 11:11:23 AM
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"Micro", hell. They have MACROchips.

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BEERandWEED
02/09/22 11:24:39 AM
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Now this is a government program I can support. I don't need free, unreliable covid tests but a free bong, yes indeedy do.

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Bulbasaur
02/09/22 11:25:10 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Awesome. Sounds great.


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Cacciato
02/09/22 11:28:00 AM
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At least TC will have a safe way to invest the crack hes clearly smoking most of the time.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
02/09/22 7:44:53 PM
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So this is a bit confusing...

According to Snopes this was false on the basis that the safe smoking kits include other things in addition to crack pipes. Which suggests that the inclusion of crack pipes was true.

Apparently it's been updated after an announcement that federal funding would not be used for crack pipes. But that still leaves it vague as to whether the kits will include them but just not paid for with federal money.

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kangolcone
02/09/22 7:47:02 PM
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Its not a slap in the face to first responders who are the people who most often have to deal with the person after they die from an overdose or bad batch.

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BlackScythe0
02/09/22 7:50:54 PM
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Honestly as the drug problem gets worse in my state, more specifically the city I live in I'm starting to agree with Duterte more and more.
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adjl
02/09/22 9:26:24 PM
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Harm reduction is generally a much better idea than criminalization. People are going to use drugs regardless of what you do. Might as well keep them from ending up dead for it.

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RoboXgp89
02/09/22 10:14:11 PM
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we want people to start smoking crack again, less chance of fent o.d. but the story is about clean needles as well

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adjl
02/09/22 10:31:56 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
but the story is about clean needles as well

"We should provide kits that include clean needles and other drug paraphernalia that will be safer for users than whatever they're getting their hands on."
"Biden's giving free crack pipes to children!"

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BEERandWEED
02/09/22 10:34:32 PM
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Every time I buy crack, they offer me a free biden pipe. It is like how hookers always carry clinton condoms.

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Amuseum
02/09/22 10:59:34 PM
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yea this is EXACTLY government's role -- pay and encourage people to get addicted to drugs. oh so glad we are becoming more and more dependent on government handouts. we also need government to cook all our meals, brush our teeth. heck, who needs elections, just let the government vote on our behalf, too.

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Gaawa_chan
02/09/22 11:05:48 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg8DA1LuZFk My own thoughts on this are in this video, put more succinctly than I could phrase it.

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adjl
02/09/22 11:06:22 PM
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How exactly does "now you can do heroin without worrying about AIDS" "pay and encourage people to get addicted to drugs"? From where I stand, that's generally just going to mean you've got a similar number of heroin addicts, but fewer with HIV.

Protip: The government's already paying for addicts, whether you like it or not. Might as well allocate that money in a way that will generally improve their health and social outcomes and therefore probably actually be cheaper, rather than getting hung up on some psychopathic desire to watch them suffer for their mistakes.

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The_Viscount
02/09/22 11:07:20 PM
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There's something on the nose about Biden doing this.

wpot posted...
Yes, the easy reaction is: "OMG we're encouraging people to use drugs".

The point is:
1) We're paying a large medical for treating drug overdoses. Whether conservatives want to pretend it's not happening or not we're all paying for the treatment of these people in the hospital because they aren't turned away: the costs for those not covered by insurance are added to the costs of doing business, those are passed to insurers...and then us. Furthermore, they use up beds that could be devoted to others (particularly in a pandemic).
2) We're paying a large prison bill for locking all of these people up, feeding them, etc.
3) We're paying a large societal cost because of crime linked to drug abuse.
Etc etc.

I would hope that this is an example of engaging with the problem and trying to solve it, rather than pretending that by simply opposing it (declaring war on it) every step of the way we're going to get a good result. Declaring war on countries and occupying them is a great way to make the people there not like us and drift towards viewpoints we dislike. Declaring war on drugs is a great way to lose connections with drug users and push them into the arms of criminals who happily profit from them. Neither "war" is effective at achieving the goal we say we want to achieve: it just satisfies a simplistic "we're fighting bad guys" need that many have.

But again: is the program in the article going to do more harm than good? I don't know. I seriously doubt that those complaining have thought it through either.

Or, you know, you could try doing something productive like putting people through rehab. Just a thought there, buddy.


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The_Viscount
02/09/22 11:09:38 PM
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adjl posted...
How exactly does "now you can do heroin without worrying about AIDS" "pay and encourage people to get addicted to drugs"? From where I stand, that's generally just going to mean you've got a similar number of heroin addicts, but fewer with HIV.

Among other things, normalizing the usage can make it even more widespread.

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adjl
02/09/22 11:12:11 PM
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The_Viscount posted...
Or, you know, you could try doing something productive like putting people through rehab. Just a thought there, buddy.

Why not both? Rehab's hardly perfect, after all, and there's generally a significant period of time between an addiction becoming harmful and the experience of addiction progressing to the point where rehab is going to work. Might as well reduce the risk associated with those periods instead of clinging to the fantasy that forcing people into rehab will fix all of their addiction-related problems.

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adjl
02/09/22 11:19:54 PM
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The_Viscount posted...
Among other things, normalizing the usage can make it even more widespread.

But that doesn't normalize the usage. It just makes it less dangerous.

This isn't something you need to speak in hypothetical terms about. There are plenty of large-scale harm reduction initiatives that you can draw data from to inform your beliefs. Harm reduction works. Whether you feel that's an intuitive result or not, that is the reality of the situation. Overwhelmingly, safe injection sites have been found to improve interest in addictions treatment and reduce overall drug use and addiction rates, on top of making the ongoing drug use that still happens safer.

Now, are needle exchanges and the like (which would encompass this) effective harm reduction measures? That's more debatable. Safe injection/overdose prevention sites (which tend to include needle exchanges) are the gold standard, but large swaths of America would have an aneurysm if efforts were made to establish those en masse because they get off on druggies dying.

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RoboXgp89
02/10/22 1:09:07 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/5/AAaNf_AABRlp.jpg

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Metalsonic66
02/10/22 1:15:10 AM
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Is that Erik Larsen

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Bulbasaur
02/10/22 1:29:39 AM
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they just don't want the poor folk to have the same crack pipes as them, really

they get the embroidered ones

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CyborgSage00x0
02/10/22 3:54:07 AM
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Amuseum posted...
yea this is EXACTLY government's role -- pay and encourage people to get addicted to drugs. oh so glad we are becoming more and more dependent on government handouts. we also need government to cook all our meals, brush our teeth. heck, who needs elections, just let the government vote on our behalf, too.

If you live in a highly Red area, that's basically already happening.

And hell, the government *should* be doing more for the people at this point, given the relatively trash state of the country, and the government being basically the only entity with the ability and power to fix things for the better.

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Bulbasaur
02/10/22 4:11:52 AM
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Amuseum posted...
we also need government to [...] brush our teeth.

yeah, why do you think there's iodine in your water

because people weren't brushing their fucking teeth


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NeoSioType
02/10/22 10:59:16 AM
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Can I get one of those just for the novelty? Show it off and have something interesting to talk about at parties?

Or would the police take advantage and use it as evidence to frame me?
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Jen0125
02/10/22 11:00:39 AM
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NeoSioType posted...
Can I get one of those just for the novelty? Show it off and have something interesting to talk about at parties?

Or would the police take advantage and use it as evidence to frame me?

Why do you think drug paraphernalia would make you interesting at a party
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BEERandWEED
02/10/22 11:02:42 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Why do you think drug paraphernalia would make you interesting at a party
People love my 6ft bong. It's decorative and useful.

It's only for tobacco though.

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Cacciato
02/10/22 11:19:29 AM
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Pretty pathetic though. At least Reagan gave out actual crack.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
02/10/22 4:48:28 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
yeah, why do you think there's iodine in your water
That's floride. Iodine is in salt.

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Notschmendrake
02/10/22 4:50:08 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Pretty pathetic though. At least Reagan gave out actual crack.

Fuck that's funny. Using it.
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pionear
02/10/22 5:05:27 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Pretty pathetic though. At least Reagan gave out actual crack.

Thanks to the C.I.A. and Noriega, huh
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Decoy77
02/10/22 6:40:39 PM
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Trump tries to get millions like either 50 or 500 million for minorities in big cities...Biden gives them crack pipes...yep uh ok

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ReturnOfFa
02/10/22 6:59:46 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Pretty pathetic though. At least Reagan gave out actual crack.
ahhhhhhhhh lmao

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02/11/22 12:15:47 AM
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Bulbasaur
02/11/22 12:16:56 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
That's floride. Iodine is in salt.
you know what

that's on me, i'll take that l

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mooreandrew58
02/11/22 6:51:35 AM
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Notschmendrake posted...
Hes a big dummy. Still, given that the war on drugs is a complete and total waste of money failure, and that countries that have tried similar programs where they treat drug addiction instead of punishing it have seen marked drops in drug use and addiction, sounds like a good idea to me.

Of course, I'm sure OP would prefer that we keep throwing cheap labor into the prison industrial complex rather than actually try to solve the problem, so really I'm just talking to a brick wall here.

I was shocked when I found out at My prison having a job is a privilege. And what I mean is out of near 700 inmate population you'll have somewhere between 2 to 2 and half hundred not having jobs either cause they don't wanna work or there isn't any job opening. Like they gotta go out of there way to get a job usually. If nobody takes a job sure someone will just eventually be assigned.

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FatalAccident
02/11/22 7:02:35 AM
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Conservative legislators are outraged

shock

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