Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 2: Thrill of the Hunt

(+) Yeah! (+)

i can say this because it seems everyone has posted today- i would have expected the drama of a day-disrupting ardbert build to be designed around scum contesting the title of WoL. however, everyone has posted and there have been no counter claims

i do think we have to vote for tavish, in the off chance that he is zenos. zenos winning his duel against the derplander would be very bad

Though I should clarify, Im not leaning towards voting Ulti because of that, rather its why Im completely ignoring flavor meta such as warrior of light must exist or warrior of light must be town

If we think Ulti is town we shouldnt vote for him, but Im going to be mega annoyed if people just assume hes town because flavor

honestly, the player character of ffxiv has gone by the title "warrior of darkness" for an entire expansion before. i could see WoL being on the safelist, but with such disruptive abilities centered around them? that seems.... beyond

I noticed that if we lynch mike, and it turns out ulti is lying, then he cannot use his ability anymore, and therefore, no more forced mislynches. We can then find out ulti's identity at night if we have a cop. If ulti is the WoL, then it means that it is pretty much the same if we lynched ulti instead. So, it is a good idea to vote Mike

##Vote: Mike

banananor posted...

derplander

Lol derplander, haven't seen the WoL called that before

I think what it comes down to is Can you ever trust a third party? And I think the answer to that is no. Its possible that Ulti is scum, but not lynching the third party could lead to all sorts of bad outcomes up to and including the game just ending on the spot with third party winning.

You just cant risk that.

##Vote:Mike

Though I do want to emphasize this doesnt mean Ulti is confirmed town by any means

TidusOfTheX posted...

Lol derplander, haven't seen the WoL called that before

it's the common moniker the community has assigned to the "canonical" appearance of WoL they use on the game covers and promotional art- a boring male midlander

is ben really new? i was under the impression he had been part of the community a while

i did walk in expecting Emet-Selch, Elidibus, Lahabrea scum and Zenos SK. wasn't entirely sure if that was reasonable for a 13 player game

I'm pretty sure Ben has hosted before and had ludicrous setups

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ok, admittedly that does make some sense.

This seriously isn't what I wanted to wake up to at like 3am on my off day.

Though I have to ask Mike something I should've already asked and I don't remember if anyone else asked him... Why do this so early in the day?

I said why in my original claim post. Because I wanted to make sure we had a lot of time in the day to discuss this situation. As far as I could tell at first glance it's a cut and dry "we should lynch me" situation but that doesn't mean I wanted to drop this power with 6 hours left and leave everyone scrambling.

I still agree me dying today is the play. If Ulti IS Elidibus as scum then I guess scum wins and gg to them.

Since no one explained that to Ulti when he asked, Elidibus is a big bad you fight who has the title of "Warrior of Light" during the fight. It's a fun idea but I'm not giving it much credence.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Right, but were not talking about you. You are clever, like Ive said. Were talking about an overly excited new host.

And people should think logically. Its clearly a 3 + 1 scum setup, and mislynching me here means 4 town versus 4 anti-town. Even when/if Mike dies, were looking at 5v3 with having to discuss NL tomorrow. The safest play is to just take the gift, kill the guy that claimed third party, and well still have his thoughts from a private chat later.

I feel bad for Mike because the guy is clearly pro-town, but sheer math says he has to die here. Hopefully by tomorrow we have a scanner claim something.

You call me anti town at the beginning of this post when discussing the setup but pro town at the end of it. Don't forget I literally lose regardless of finding you if town doesn't win after today.

Doesn't really matter I guess but I'm clearly not anti-town. As I said in my claim post, I considered lying and saying my role was straight up listed as town but I didn't want to lie when my inevitable flip will prove me to be 3rd party.

MikeTavish posted...

I still agree me dying today is the play. If Ulti IS Elidibus as scum then I guess scum wins and gg to them.

Since no one explained that to Ulti when he asked, Elidibus is a big bad you fight who has the title of "Warrior of Light" during the fight. It's a fun idea but I'm not giving it much credence.

Hmm

This is weird

Ulti how much do you plan to be around and active in topic?

masterplum posted...

including the game just ending on the spot with third party winning.

This is how hosts get banned. Not a possible outcome ben knows better.

TidusOfTheX posted...

I noticed that if we lynch mike, and it turns out ulti is lying, then he cannot use his ability anymore, and therefore, no more forced mislynches

What do you think thiseven means?

Because I'm reading it and not following.

MikeTavish posted...

Doesn't really matter I guess but I'm clearly not anti-town.

If you are playing to lose and know you win with town you are inadvertently being anti-town. Just an FYI.

Leafeon13N posted...

What do you think thiseven means?

Because I'm reading it and not following.

If mike continues to stay alive and does not become the warrior of light, then he can continue to force us to mislynch people if he keeps guessing wrong, and therefore, lose us the game, but if he dies and it turns out ulti was not in fact the warrior of light, he can no longer use the ability

By playing to lose i mean playing to die, obviously.

UltimaterializerX posted...

As much as I can but I do work 60+ hours a week.

The only thing I am wondering is IF we are taking Mike at face value, and based on your day 1 statements I am going to assume that this deathboard is real, then Mike has been more active than you. If we could have him more available and you still give your thoughts that would probably be better

TidusOfTheX posted...

If mike continues to stay alive and does not become the warrior of light, then he can continue to force us to mislynch people if he keeps guessing wrong, and therefore, lose us the game, but if he dies and it turns out ulti was not in fact the warrior of light, he can no longer use the ability

What use do you think this has to us?

There is more wrong with this but go on I'm curious.

I mean, the only way I shouldn't be playing to die that I can see is if Ulti is, in fact, scum.

I just don't see what the point of my role is in that case. Just to find him and get him killed by convincing everyone to lynch the main freakin' character for no reason other than "he might be scum"?

Granted, i don't see what the point of the role is otherwise either because having a goal to find the main character and commit seppuku is also fiercely anti-fun.

##Vote: Ulti

I guess we can chase this dragon. I don't see it happening but if it does at least I know 100% that I'm on town's side regardless of what Ulti flips AND we still have his thoughts in the background through me. Better than the current 98% confidence I have in Ulti being town. (I still don't see him being Elidibus)

I expected more pushback on that, honestly.

Leafeon13N posted...

I expected more pushback on that, honestly.

Nah, you are technically correct (the best kind of correct) that the only person I can be sure of is myself so rolling over and dying is inherently anti-town. I just didn't think of that logic myself because I'm so confident in Ulti being town.

Leafeon13N posted...

What use do you think this has to us?

There is more wrong with this but go on I'm curious.

I created a pastebin that has all the potential scenarios I can see
https://pastebin.com/8UFvTf0z
tell me which one seems worse as there is pretty much no difference if ulti is WoL

TidusOfTheX posted...

I created a pastebin that has all the potential scenarios I can see
https://pastebin.com/8UFvTf0z
tell me which one seems worse as there is pretty much no difference if ulti is WoL

For one,can we stop using outside links/videos/whatever for gameplay.

Two your pastebin doesn't format properly on mobile at least it is abunch of garbage .

Yeah can confirm that link is a mess on mobile.

TidusOfTheX posted...

I created a pastebin that has all the potential scenarios I can see
https://pastebin.com/8UFvTf0z
tell me which one seems worse as there is pretty much no difference if ulti is WoL

Mike is claimed not-town so being "forced to lynch town" is MikeTavish posted... technically
a misnomer.

Also, I believe Ulti's BP claim about as much as I curently believe this game will be fun and balanced to play.

A. Ulti lies a lot regardless of alignment
B. Who claims town BP right away on day 2 as town BP? This is exactly how you don't play town BP.

I have no idea what to make of all the flavor jargon at the moment. Kinda glad I don't know this flavor at this point.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Mike is claimed not-town so being "forced to lynch town" is technically
a misnomer.

Also, I believe Ulti's BP claim about as much as I curently believe this game will be fun and balanced to play.

A. Ulti lies a lot regardless of alignment
B. Who claims town BP right away on day 2 as town BP? This is exactly how you don't play town BP.

I have no idea what to make of all the flavor jargon at the moment. Kinda glad I don't know this flavor at this point.

If he's not actually BP why do you think he didn't come clean about it after I straight up told him I thought I was going to be giving him protection (possibly Bulletproof) powers when I die today?

Why are we still entertaining ulti as town BP.

This is long established as not factual.

MikeTavish posted...

If he's not actually BP why do you think he didn't come clean about it after I straight up told him I thought I was going to be giving him protection (possibly Bulletproof) powers when I die today?

There are two people I don't trust when they claim out of the blue: Ulti, and Corrik.

Like, to put it into perspective, Ulti is the kind of player who will suddenly claim cop with a scum scan as town vanilla.

If there's anything about the flavour you'd like explained feel free to ask. I don't actually think there's that much flavour stuff being thrown around.

The important thing is there is a member of the Big Bad Squad (who the mafia team consists of according to the first post of the first topic) who is also known at one point in FF14 as the Warrior of Light. It's the only conceivable way Ulti is scum IMO and I'm not confident in it as a possibility.

Leafeon13N posted...

Why are we still entertaining ulti as town BP.

This is long established as not factual.

? Did I miss something?

Literally one of the first conversations of the day, yes.

Just glancing back I see a lot of people calling Ulti a liar but no actual proof of him not being BP nor him stating he wasn't telling the truth. Mind humouring me and pointing out why it's long established as not factual? "Because Ulti lies a lot" isn't a reason fwiw.

Not saying he is absolutely BP for obvious reasons but to say it's long established fact that he's not seems a little strong of phrasing.

So warrior of light is bad

and Ulti is warrior of light

so.

Because nothing about him being town BP would make even a little bit of logical sense

Speaking of Ulti though. Repasting this:

Crescent-Moon posted... Do have one question for Ulti though:

You say to give me more time when I'm asleep.

By the time I wake up you're already saying I'm scum.

"Meow?"

Actually I'll clarify this further:

UltimaterializerX posted... Trash scum player that gets rattled and emotional very easily, and needs teammates to do the heavy lifting. I've been on teams with her and she's made of glass. One bit of pressure from the game's heavy hitters and she'll make a mistake in-game, cry to her teammates about how she wants to replace out, and/or go inactive.

Legitimately a very good town player. If we give her some time, her alignment will become obvious soon enough.

This is at 9:05

UltimaterializerX posted... This is such a lame way to get confirmed as town but Ill take it. Given my own PM Im willing to confirm you too.

The scum team basically has to be Plum + Crescent + Tidus or Banana at this point.

This is at 10:31

I still want to hear more about this sudden switch in mentality over a span of 86 minutes I wasn't even awake for.

Opening the game with a soft main character claim and opening day 2 with a hard BP + main character claim definitely seems like something scum would do when he feels invincible though.

Sigh, I forgot how much I love mafia. It's so fun gaslighting myself and doubting everything I believe to be true.

masterplum posted...

So warrior of light is bad

and Ulti is warrior of light

so.

Well no, Warrior of Light is good 99% of the time. It's just there's one specific circumstance where Warrior of Light is bad and fits into the Mafia team perfectly.

MikeTavish posted...

Opening the game with a soft main character claim and opening day 2 with a hard BP + main character claim definitely seems like something scum would do when he feels invincible though.

Sigh, I forgot how much I love mafia. It's so fun gaslighting myself and doubting everything I believe to be true.

"Fun"

Crescent-Moon posted...

"Fun"

Honestly the real fun for me is going back after the game is over and reading it over again knowing everyone's role and seeing the strategies they employed.

The game itself is stressful as hell and I definitely read my role at the start and thought "What the hell did I jump back into".

It's rare-at-best I continue to pay attention to a game after I die in it. It helps me mentally detox to just move on.

In PW Mafia town had a role that could talk in dead town chat and I didn't join it after being the first dead town and Ulti was like "wtf where is she?"

And that answer completely ignores contradicting your own stance 86 minutes after making it.

Nice try~

It definitely makes more sense from a balance perspective for this 1v1 to be "3rd party but not REALLY 3rd party" vs. Scum too as opposed to what essentially comes down to town vs. town.

Ulti, have you been lying to me this whole time? After all these years?