Poll of the Day > So uhh... War With Russia?

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St_Kevin 01/21/22 5:45:59 AM #1:	Are you ready for annihilation? Yes No Are you ready for annihilation? - Results (81 votes) Yes 53.09% (43 votes) 43 No 46.91% (38 votes) 38 Should be fun :D! --- [:D] That Canadian Emperor Guy King of ** posts and memes [>:)]** <cite>St_Kevin posted [p:961939735] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote> Are you ready for annihilation? Yes No Vote View Results Are you ready for annihilation? - Results (81 votes) Yes 53.09% (43 votes) 43 No 46.91% (38 votes) 38 Show Voting Form Should be fun :D! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/21/22 5:57:01 AM #2:	World War 3 bois --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:961939831] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>World War 3 bois </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 01/21/22 6:47:46 AM #3:	Can Vlad hold off until at least the rest of The Book of Boba Fett comes out, maybe let me get a few hundred more hours in playing The Witcher III... At the very least he should go nuclear early; I live near an HVT that would certainly be on a first strike list, so a Tsar Bomba would obliterate me instantly, but a lesser yield would mean a slow and agonizing death. If he goes non nuclear I will survive to lead a legion of Canadian Storm Troopers across the arctic circle, to violate him in ways he can't even imagine. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:961940350] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Can Vlad hold off until at least the rest of The Book of Boba Fett comes out, maybe let me get a few hundred more hours in playing The Witcher III... At the very least he should go nuclear early; I live near an HVT that would certainly be on a first strike list, so a Tsar Bomba would obliterate me instantly, but a lesser yield would mean a slow and agonizing death. If he goes non nuclear I will survive to lead a legion of Canadian Storm Troopers across the arctic circle, to violate him in ways he can't even imagine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrozenBananas 01/21/22 6:55:04 AM #4:	What is this 1983 or something --- Big yellow joint big yellow joint I'll meet you down at the big yellow joint <cite>FrozenBananas posted [p:961940433] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>What is this 1983 or something </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 01/21/22 7:31:14 AM #5:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/4/AAaNf_AABPAU.jpg --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:961940856] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/4/AAaNf_AABPAU.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 01/21/22 11:05:59 AM #6:	Uhh...no. US overreaches in Vietnam and is worn out by locals that don't want us. USSR does the same in Afghanistan. US does the same in Afghanistan. Russia's turn: let them try to occupy Ukraine. Sorry Ukrainians, but short of WW3 we can't help anyways. Unless sanctions/weapons help. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:961944684] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Uhh...no. US overreaches in Vietnam and is worn out by locals that don't want us. USSR does the same in Afghanistan. US does the same in Afghanistan. Russia's turn: let them try to occupy Ukraine. Sorry Ukrainians, but short of WW3 we can't help anyways. Unless sanctions/weapons help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Buddyblade 01/21/22 11:12:24 AM #7:	Tbh I live in a big American city but not a target for a nuke. Besides, launching one nuke nowadays could cause the end of the world.. --- Is "That buddy" in video games, Metal blades from Mega Man broken beyond measure, MEGA MAN 12 WHEN DEBG member <cite>Buddyblade posted [p:961944840] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Tbh I live in a big American city but not a target for a nuke. Besides, launching one nuke nowadays could cause the end of the world.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 01/21/22 11:32:01 AM #8:	FrozenBananas posted... What is this 1983 or something No, this is just children thinking they understand the world far better than they do. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:961945389] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrozenBananas posted...</cite> <quote>What is this 1983 or something </quote> No, this is just children thinking they understand the world far better than they do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
papercup 01/21/22 11:41:52 AM #9:	The nukes should start flying any second now Real talk though, this isn't WW3. This is Putin desperately trying to rally support before an election, and it's going to fail. The west is going to levy such heavy sanctions against Russia and its oligarchs, that it's already crippled economy might collapse. And not to mention that Russia had one of the worst covid responses in the world, and the people aren't actually excited to fight a war. This is going to be bad. But it's not WW3 bad. --- Nintendo Network ID: papercups 3DS FC: 4124 5916 9925 <cite>papercup posted [p:961945695] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>The nukes should start flying any second now Real talk though, this isn't WW3. This is Putin desperately trying to rally support before an election, and it's going to fail. The west is going to levy such heavy sanctions against Russia and its oligarchs, that it's already crippled economy might collapse. And not to mention that Russia had one of the worst covid responses in the world, and the people aren't actually excited to fight a war. This is going to be bad. But it's not WW3 bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 01/21/22 11:43:53 AM #10:	America doesn't want war with Russia and if you follow the history, America only bullies countries they know they can bully much like the schoolyard bully only picks on the kids he knows won't stand up to him. General Patton during WW2, tried to warn his superiors that the Soviet Union (Russia) were the real enemy and not Germany but his warning fell on deaf ears and he said going forward, the Soviet Union would be a thorn in America's side and no one was listening. Patton actually wanted to battle the Soviets but was told to not engage. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:961945752] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>America doesn't want war with Russia and if you follow the history, America only bullies countries they know they can bully much like the schoolyard bully only picks on the kids he knows won't stand up to him. General Patton during WW2, tried to warn his superiors that the Soviet Union (Russia) were the real enemy and not Germany but his warning fell on deaf ears and he said going forward, the Soviet Union would be a thorn in America's side and no one was listening. Patton actually wanted to battle the Soviets but was told to not engage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 01/21/22 11:45:03 AM #11:	RoboXgp89 posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/4/AAaNf_AABPAU.jpg RoboXgp89 posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/4/AAaNf_AABPAU.jpg One of the very best N64 games ever and the reason I bought an N64. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:961945796] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>RoboXgp89 posted... </cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/4/AAaNf_AABPAU.jpg</quote> RoboXgp89 posted... </cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/0/4/AAaNf_AABPAU.jpg</quote>One of the very best N64 games ever and the reason I bought an N64. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 01/21/22 11:45:23 AM #12:	This is just sabre rattling since Putin is getting old and he wants to make sure his successor fails --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:961945807] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>This is just sabre rattling since Putin is getting old and he wants to make sure his successor fails </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/21/22 1:22:58 PM #13:	I'm totally scared. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:961948336] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>I'm totally scared.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 01/21/22 1:30:24 PM #14:	As I said, 2022 is to 2020 what Children of Dune was to Dune. All we need is the ghost of 2020's main villain to appear, and-- oh. <_< --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:961948560] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>As I said, 2022 is to 2020 what Children of Dune was to Dune. All we need is the ghost of 2020's main villain to appear, and-- oh. <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/21/22 2:33:43 PM #15:	Nobody is going to war over Ukraine. At most, you're going to see sanctions and harsh condemnations if an invasion happens, and possibly US-backed nations funneling money to resistance groups who seemingly back American interests but, decades down the road, might cause problems for America. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:961950327] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Nobody is going to war over Ukraine. At most, you're going to see sanctions and harsh condemnations if an invasion happens, and possibly US-backed nations funneling money to resistance groups who seemingly back American interests but, decades down the road, might cause problems for America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozmose 01/21/22 4:52:34 PM #16:	Lokarin posted... This is just sabre rattling since Putin is getting old and he wants to make sure his successor fails Amassing 127,000 troops is a lot more than saber rattling. The Russians just cut an undersea cable to a Norwegian satellite site. That's a serious provocation. They also recently shut down an uprising against the Kazakhstan dictatorial government, leaving a ton of troops and equipment staged in Kazakhstan. The real bullshit here is Ukraine is going to get crushed, and it's our fault. We pushed to disarm Ukraine with the promise that we would defend them should the need arise. They disarmed, now we're not holding up our end of the bargain. If you ever wonder why Americans will never give up their guns, it's shit like this. Our government has a bad habit of promising safety, then ghosting when the chips are down. --- Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. - Oscar Wilde <cite>Ozmose posted [p:961954091] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>This is just sabre rattling since Putin is getting old and he wants to make sure his successor fails</quote>Amassing 127,000 troops is a lot more than saber rattling. The Russians just cut an undersea cable to a Norwegian satellite site. That's a serious provocation. They also recently shut down an uprising against the Kazakhstan dictatorial government, leaving a ton of troops and equipment staged in Kazakhstan. The real bullshit here is Ukraine is going to get crushed, and it's our fault. We pushed to disarm Ukraine with the promise that we would defend them should the need arise. They disarmed, now we're not holding up our end of the bargain. If you ever wonder why Americans will never give up their guns, it's shit like this. Our government has a bad habit of promising safety, then ghosting when the chips are down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 01/21/22 4:59:09 PM #17:	Ozmose posted... Amassing 127,000 troops is a lot more than saber rattling. And that's just at their own border, to say nothing of the next country over where they are posting more troops at the Ukrainian border. Yeah, this is a serious matter for sure, more than the fighting that had been happening in eastern Ukraine before this point, which it's been believed that Russia has been funding said conflict (which, btw, has already cost something like 14k Ukrainian lives?). Lots of people in Ukraine are scared for their lives, and the lives of their loved ones. Leaving is not easy, for even those who have it as an option. --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:961954255] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite> <quote>Amassing 127,000 troops is a lot more than saber rattling.</quote> And that's just at their own border, to say nothing of the next country over where they are posting more troops at the Ukrainian border. Yeah, this is a serious matter for sure, more than the fighting that had been happening in eastern Ukraine before this point, which it's been believed that Russia has been funding said conflict (which, btw, has already cost something like 14k Ukrainian lives?). Lots of people in Ukraine are scared for their lives, and the lives of their loved ones. Leaving is not easy, for even those who have it as an option. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 01/21/22 5:08:42 PM #18:	Ozmose posted... The real bullshit here is Ukraine is going to get crushed, and it's our fault. We pushed to disarm Ukraine with the promise that we would defend them should the need arise. They disarmed, now we're not holding up our end of the bargain. If you ever wonder why Americans will never give up their guns, it's shit like this. Our government has a bad habit of promising safety, then ghosting when the chips are down. The US was never, ever going to go to war to defend Ukraine. We have no cards other than sanctions and Putin knows it well. What was agreed to in the past was made with the same weak hand. Heck, Russia already took over the important half of the country: I don't know why this particular threat (or our reluctance to do more) is surprising anyone. And I fail to see what this has to do with gun ownership in the US. Is our army not big enough? Oceans not wide enough? Or are you scared of Canada? --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:961954497] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite> <quote>The real bullshit here is Ukraine is going to get crushed, and it's our fault. We pushed to disarm Ukraine with the promise that we would defend them should the need arise. They disarmed, now we're not holding up our end of the bargain. If you ever wonder why Americans will never give up their guns, it's shit like this. Our government has a bad habit of promising safety, then ghosting when the chips are down.</quote>The US was never, ever going to go to war to defend Ukraine. We have no cards other than sanctions and Putin knows it well. What was agreed to in the past was made with the same weak hand. Heck, Russia already took over the important half of the country: I don't know why this particular threat (or our reluctance to do more) is surprising anyone. And I fail to see what this has to do with gun ownership in the US. Is our army not big enough? Oceans not wide enough? Or are you scared of Canada? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozmose 01/21/22 5:29:20 PM #19:	wpot posted... And I fail to see what this has to do with gun ownership in the US. Is our army not big enough? Oceans not wide enough? Or are you scared of Canada? It's about self sufficiency. The government says they have the people's best interests at heart, but they could give a shit less the second you're not generating tax revenue. You think if the power grid went down tomorrow, and our already broken infrastructure completely collapsed, they would be focused on protecting you? Hell no. They would be 100% focused on making sure their own assets are secure. In the meantime, that whole not getting robbed and murdered by a bunch of desperate starving people is a you problem. --- Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. - Oscar Wilde <cite>Ozmose posted [p:961955022] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>wpot posted... </cite> <quote>And I fail to see what this has to do with gun ownership in the US. Is our army not big enough? Oceans not wide enough? Or are you scared of Canada?</quote>It's about self sufficiency. The government says they have the people's best interests at heart, but they could give a shit less the second you're not generating tax revenue. You think if the power grid went down tomorrow, and our already broken infrastructure completely collapsed, they would be focused on protecting you? Hell no. They would be 100% focused on making sure their own assets are secure. In the meantime, that whole not getting robbed and murdered by a bunch of desperate starving people is a you problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/21/22 5:38:25 PM #20:	wpot posted... Heck, Russia already took over the important half of the country: I mean, the more ridiculous part is why they handed Crimea to Ukraine in the first place during the USSR days and then, when the USSR collapsed, they didn't take it back. Crimea is a historical Russian holding with a Russian-majority population. It should have stayed a part of Russia. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:961955270] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>wpot posted... </cite> <quote>Heck, Russia already took over the important half of the country:</quote> I mean, the more ridiculous part is why they handed Crimea to Ukraine in the first place during the USSR days and then, when the USSR collapsed, they didn't take it back. Crimea is a historical Russian holding with a Russian-majority population. It should have stayed a part of Russia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 01/21/22 6:24:03 PM #21:	Ozmose posted... It's about self sufficiency. The government says they have the people's best interests at heart, but they could give a shit less the second you're not generating tax revenue. You think if the power grid went down tomorrow, and our already broken infrastructure completely collapsed, they would be focused on protecting you? Hell no. They would be 100% focused on making sure their own assets are secure. In the meantime, that whole not getting robbed and murdered by a bunch of desperate starving people is a you problem. I get that people are insecure and think something like that is about to happen somehow. In practical terms I'm more convinced by the "more likely to hurt someone in your family than someone outside your family" statistics. We have problems, and certainly the big boys are out for themselves, but we're not close to complete "need a gun to protect from starving mobs" collapse. We might be close to needing a gun to protect ourselves from crazy ideologies, but that's a whole different thing. Zeus posted... I mean, the more ridiculous part is why they handed Crimea to Ukraine in the first place during the USSR days and then, when the USSR collapsed, they didn't take it back. Crimea is a historical Russian holding with a Russian-majority population. It should have stayed a part of Russia. Yes, it was dumb of them to give a strategic location away in the first place. Khrushchev was a true communism believer & thought it would win over nationalism. Regardless, taking it back over after losing an election was a terrible optic if they wanted to pretend to be anything other than nationalistic brutes. But if the US was going to do anything about the Ukraine we clearly would have done it then. The rest of the country was effectively gone as soon as that went unchallenged...and no, I don't think we really could/should have challenged them then. It was all pretty inevitable. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:961956409] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite> <quote>It's about self sufficiency. The government says they have the people's best interests at heart, but they could give a shit less the second you're not generating tax revenue. You think if the power grid went down tomorrow, and our already broken infrastructure completely collapsed, they would be focused on protecting you? Hell no. They would be 100% focused on making sure their own assets are secure. In the meantime, that whole not getting robbed and murdered by a bunch of desperate starving people is a you problem.</quote>I get that people are insecure and think something like that is about to happen somehow. In practical terms I'm more convinced by the "more likely to hurt someone in your family than someone outside your family" statistics. We have problems, and certainly the big boys are out for themselves, but we're not close to complete "need a gun to protect from starving mobs" collapse. We might be close to needing a gun to protect ourselves from crazy ideologies, but that's a whole different thing. Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, the more ridiculous part is why they handed Crimea to Ukraine in the first place during the USSR days and then, when the USSR collapsed, they didn't take it back. Crimea is a historical Russian holding with a Russian-majority population. It should have stayed a part of Russia.</quote>Yes, it was dumb of them to give a strategic location away in the first place. Khrushchev was a true communism believer & thought it would win over nationalism. Regardless, taking it back over after losing an election was a terrible optic if they wanted to pretend to be anything other than nationalistic brutes. But if the US was going to do anything about the Ukraine we clearly would have done it then. The rest of the country was effectively gone as soon as that went unchallenged...and no, I don't think we really could/should have challenged them then. It was all pretty inevitable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ozmose 01/21/22 6:56:41 PM #22:	If you want to know exactly what's going on with this situation watch this. I've been following these guys for a while now. It's not entirely clear if they're current or former analysts, but they clearly know their shit. Pretty sure they stay vague about it for a reason. Nonetheless, I don't doubt they were involved with some spooky three letter group at some point. https://youtu.be/JKqFLidBmdQ --- Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation. - Oscar Wilde <cite>Ozmose posted [p:961957132] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>If you want to know exactly what's going on with this situation watch this. I've been following these guys for a while now. It's not entirely clear if they're current or former analysts, but they clearly know their shit. Pretty sure they stay vague about it for a reason. Nonetheless, I don't doubt they were involved with some spooky three letter group at some point. https://youtu.be/JKqFLidBmdQ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St_Kevin 01/22/22 8:21:03 AM #23:	oh dear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENyxseq59YQ --- [:D] That Canadian Emperor Guy King of ** posts and memes [>:)]** <cite>St_Kevin posted [p:961969008] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>oh dear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENyxseq59YQ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 01/22/22 10:37:07 AM #24:	Ozmose posted... If you want to know exactly what's going on with this situation watch this. https://youtu.be/JKqFLidBmdQ So a week at the earliest; Russia won't move until those ships are in position. I want to hope that Vlad is just pushing Western resolve, but it does not look good for the Ukraine. Western nations will follow America's lead, but America is hampered by an ineffective congress that can't even get voting rights passed when Joe's own party controls both chambers of the house. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:961970805] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite> <quote>If you want to know exactly what's going on with this situation watch this. https://youtu.be/JKqFLidBmdQ</quote> So a week at the earliest; Russia won't move until those ships are in position. I want to hope that Vlad is just pushing Western resolve, but it does not look good for the Ukraine. Western nations will follow America's lead, but America is hampered by an ineffective congress that can't even get voting rights passed when Joe's own party controls both chambers of the house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
St_Kevin 01/24/22 4:21:47 PM #25:	Oh god --- [:D] That Canadian Emperor Guy King of ** posts and memes [>:)]** <cite>St_Kevin posted [p:962041422] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Oh god </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainStrong 01/24/22 4:30:39 PM #26:	St_Kevin posted... Oh god Fallout 5 is imminent. <cite>CaptainStrong posted [p:962041671] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>St_Kevin posted... </cite> <quote>Oh god</quote>Fallout 5 is imminent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 01/24/22 4:57:28 PM #27:	Ozmose posted... If you want to know exactly what's going on with this situation watch this. I've been following these guys for a while now. It's not entirely clear if they're current or former analysts, but they clearly know their shit. Pretty sure they stay vague about it for a reason. Nonetheless, I don't doubt they were involved with some spooky three letter group at some point. https://youtu.be/JKqFLidBmdQ Thanks for sharing this, gonna watch once I'm out of class. Anyone who can't admit some Ukrainian faults from leadership is sus, but I find the Russia defenders far more sus considering...history, both recent and 19th century. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:962042407] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Ozmose posted... </cite> <quote>If you want to know exactly what's going on with this situation watch this. I've been following these guys for a while now. It's not entirely clear if they're current or former analysts, but they clearly know their shit. Pretty sure they stay vague about it for a reason. Nonetheless, I don't doubt they were involved with some spooky three letter group at some point. https://youtu.be/JKqFLidBmdQ</quote>Thanks for sharing this, gonna watch once I'm out of class. Anyone who can't admit some Ukrainian faults from leadership is sus, but I find the Russia defenders far more sus considering...history, both recent and 19th century. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMelodramatic 01/24/22 5:03:50 PM #28:	So things are heating up over there aye? --- Forever Momo; Always EPic <cite>MrMelodramatic posted [p:962042602] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>So things are heating up over there aye? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 01/24/22 5:40:08 PM #29:	Anything new happen or just more fear mongering? --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Not removing this until I've left March 2020. <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:962043492] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Anything new happen or just more fear mongering? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 01/24/22 5:48:34 PM #30:	Judgmenl posted... Anything new happen or just more fear mongering? Probably I see this topic every year <cite>dioxxys posted [p:962043704] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>Anything new happen or just more fear mongering?</quote>Probably I see this topic every year </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainStrong 01/24/22 6:34:16 PM #31:	Judgmenl posted... Anything new happen or just more fear mongering? This is the end, my only friend, the end. <cite>CaptainStrong posted [p:962044891] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>Anything new happen or just more fear mongering?</quote>This is the end, my only friend, the end. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 01/24/22 6:47:16 PM #32:	Judgmenl posted... Anything new happen An American weapons shipment arrived, Western forces have redeployed ships to the Black Sea, Russia has moved more troops into Belarus (minus their conscripts) Joe had a call with with European Leaders and the UK today to put pressure on Germany to stand up to their commitments, but Germany has been pretty adamant about leaving Ukraine to it's fate due to the amount of natural gas they import from Russia. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:962045231] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>Anything new happen</quote> An American weapons shipment arrived, Western forces have redeployed ships to the Black Sea, Russia has moved more troops into Belarus (minus their conscripts) Joe had a call with with European Leaders and the UK today to put pressure on Germany to stand up to their commitments, but Germany has been pretty adamant about leaving Ukraine to it's fate due to the amount of natural gas they import from Russia. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 01/24/22 6:48:15 PM #33:	So nothing has happened. It's all fear mongering. Let me know when someone dies. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Not removing this until I've left March 2020. <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:962045258] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>So nothing has happened. It's all fear mongering. Let me know when someone dies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainStrong 01/24/22 6:51:39 PM #34:	Judgmenl posted... So nothing has happened. It's all fear mongering. Let me know when someone dies. Come on, baby, light my fire. Try to set the night on fire. <cite>CaptainStrong posted [p:962045350] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>So nothing has happened. It's all fear mongering. Let me know when someone dies.</quote>Come on, baby, light my fire. Try to set the night on fire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaM 01/24/22 7:27:19 PM #35:	Knowing almost nothing about this, is Russia really treating Ukraine any worse than we (Americans) treated Iraq when we invaded it in 2003? <cite>OmegaM posted [p:962046320] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Knowing almost nothing about this, is Russia really treating Ukraine any worse than we (Americans) treated Iraq when we invaded it in 2003? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/24/22 8:20:11 PM #36:	CENSOR BYPASS posted I want to hope that Vlad is just pushing Western resolve I mean, do you also just call Biden Joe? Such a weird fucking thing, like people were calling Obama Hussein. Judgmenl posted... Anything new happen or just more fear mongering? Saber rattling has intensified. The US evac'd a bunch of people from the embassy in Ukraine. The thing is like nothing major can happen because the US won't directly engage Russia. And the conflict in general makes the Biden administration look like shit. But the thing is since Biden came into office burning bridges with Russia -- after Obama burned bridge after bridge with Russia -- they have nothing to pull on now. At this point, the US is treating it like the takeover is a foregone conclusion. Take that what you will. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:962047742] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>CENSOR BYPASS posted <quote>I want to hope that Vlad is just pushing Western resolve</quote> I mean, do you also just call Biden Joe? Such a weird fucking thing, like people were calling Obama Hussein. Judgmenl posted... </cite> <quote>Anything new happen or just more fear mongering?</quote> Saber rattling has intensified. The US evac'd a bunch of people from the embassy in Ukraine. The thing is like nothing major can happen because the US won't directly engage Russia. And the conflict in general makes the Biden administration look like shit. But the thing is since Biden came into office burning bridges with Russia -- after Obama burned bridge after bridge with Russia -- they have nothing to pull on now. At this point, the US is treating it like the takeover is a foregone conclusion. Take that what you will. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 01/24/22 8:48:30 PM #37:	Zeus posted... I mean, do you also just call Biden Joe? KodyKeir posted... Joe had a call with with European Leaders and the UK today --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:962048476] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, do you also just call Biden Joe?</quote> KodyKeir posted... </cite> <quote>Joe had a call with with European Leaders and the UK today</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 01/24/22 8:51:06 PM #38:	Touche. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:962048547] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Touche. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 01/24/22 9:22:26 PM #39:	Zeus posted... And the conflict in general makes the Biden administration look like shit. But the thing is since Biden came into office burning bridges with Russia -- after Obama burned bridge after bridge with Russia -- they have nothing to pull on now. I don't think that's an accurate retelling. Obama's big thing was 'resetting relations' with Russia in his first few years. That did tone down the rhetoric for a while and resulted in a couple agreements: what really turned things around was the return of Putin to President after his Prime Minister years. Putin's defining schtick is nurturing cold war grievances to raise Russia's status and garner popularity at home. He has no real interest in visibly partnering with the West: he is cold and calculating and needs us as adversaries to stay in power. Trump "built bridges" to Russia by admiring Putin's authoritarian style and by leading the US in an ineffective, divisive way. Putin liked that indeed (to the extent that, yes, he tried to help get him votes...although, no, there was probably no direct collusion). Putin didn't directly antagonize the US in those years - he didn't need to - he instead concentrated on moving into areas vacated by US leadership. Now, the US has a crap hand on Ukraine and the whole world knows it. We can either: 1) Move NATO into Ukraine and offer WW3: not gonna happen. And shouldn't happen. 2) Move a few troops in to bluff that we would actually start WW3. That would clearly be a bluff, superpowers shouldn't bluff, and Ukraine unfortunately isn't worth it. We have made them no commitments. 3) Do what he's doing and call out Russia's crap with sanctions/etc...while not bluffing war. He should stay on message with his NATO allies better, but otherwise he doesn't have any cards that he's not playing. Sucking up to Putin and "building bridges" isn't the way to go. The US is in the stronger position overall for most issues other than Ukraine: Putin needs to come to us if he doesn't want to lead a thuggish, sanctioned country. He will NEVER give up the old grievances, though: those are his core of his being. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:962049490] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>And the conflict in general makes the Biden administration look like shit. But the thing is since Biden came into office burning bridges with Russia -- after Obama burned bridge after bridge with Russia -- they have nothing to pull on now.</quote>I don't think that's an accurate retelling. Obama's big thing was 'resetting relations' with Russia in his first few years. That did tone down the rhetoric for a while and resulted in a couple agreements: what really turned things around was the return of Putin to President after his Prime Minister years. Putin's defining schtick is nurturing cold war grievances to raise Russia's status and garner popularity at home. He has no real interest in visibly partnering with the West: he is cold and calculating and needs us as adversaries to stay in power. Trump "built bridges" to Russia by admiring Putin's authoritarian style and by leading the US in an ineffective, divisive way. Putin liked that indeed (to the extent that, yes, he tried to help get him votes...although, no, there was probably no direct collusion). Putin didn't directly antagonize the US in those years - he didn't need to - he instead concentrated on moving into areas vacated by US leadership. Now, the US has a crap hand on Ukraine and the whole world knows it. We can either: 1) Move NATO into Ukraine and offer WW3: not gonna happen. And shouldn't happen. 2) Move a few troops in to bluff that we would actually start WW3. That would clearly be a bluff, superpowers shouldn't bluff, and Ukraine unfortunately isn't worth it. We have made them no commitments. 3) Do what he's doing and call out Russia's crap with sanctions/etc...while not bluffing war. He should stay on message with his NATO allies better, but otherwise he doesn't have any cards that he's not playing. Sucking up to Putin and "building bridges" isn't the way to go. The US is in the stronger position overall for most issues other than Ukraine: Putin needs to come to us if he doesn't want to lead a thuggish, sanctioned country. He will NEVER give up the old grievances, though: those are his core of his being. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Judgmenl 01/24/22 9:59:10 PM #40:	Zeus posted... CENSOR BYPASS posted I mean, do you also just call Biden Joe? Such a weird fucking thing, like people were calling Obama Hussein. Saber rattling has intensified. The US evac'd a bunch of people from the embassy in Ukraine. The thing is like nothing major can happen because the US won't directly engage Russia. And the conflict in general makes the Biden administration look like shit. But the thing is since Biden came into office burning bridges with Russia -- after Obama burned bridge after bridge with Russia -- they have nothing to pull on now. At this point, the US is treating it like the takeover is a foregone conclusion. Take that what you will. Worst case scenario it's another Syria. Just a shitty proxy war nobody actually cares about. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Not removing this until I've left March 2020. <cite>Judgmenl posted [p:962050435] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>CENSOR BYPASS posted I mean, do you also just call Biden Joe? Such a weird fucking thing, like people were calling Obama Hussein. Saber rattling has intensified. The US evac'd a bunch of people from the embassy in Ukraine. The thing is like nothing major can happen because the US won't directly engage Russia. And the conflict in general makes the Biden administration look like shit. But the thing is since Biden came into office burning bridges with Russia -- after Obama burned bridge after bridge with Russia -- they have nothing to pull on now. At this point, the US is treating it like the takeover is a foregone conclusion. Take that what you will.</quote>Worst case scenario it's another Syria. Just a shitty proxy war nobody actually cares about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 01/24/22 10:11:48 PM #41:	wpot posted... We have made them no commitments. The West actually made significant commitments to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression in exchange for their drawdown of Soviet era armaments, which they did expecting us to be there, which we haven't. You also forgot that the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of the Donetsk came at a time when Moscow Mitch had decided the senate would say no to anything and everything Barry was asking for, leaving Vlad free to make plays across the board (Syria for example) --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:962050767] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>wpot posted... </cite> <quote>We have made them no commitments.</quote> The West actually made significant commitments to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression in exchange for their drawdown of Soviet era armaments, which they did expecting us to be there, which we haven't. You also forgot that the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of the Donetsk came at a time when Moscow Mitch had decided the senate would say no to anything and everything Barry was asking for, leaving Vlad free to make plays across the board (Syria for example) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wpot 01/24/22 10:25:19 PM #42:	KodyKeir posted... The West actually made significant commitments to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression in exchange for their drawdown of Soviet era armaments, which they did expecting us to be there, which we haven't. You also forgot that the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of the Donetsk came at a time when Moscow Mitch had decided the senate would say no to anything and everything Barry was asking for, leaving Vlad free to make plays across the board (Syria for example) Yeah, I edited to "NATO-level" commitments, but you beat me to it. Commitments were made, but they were made the fate of Ukraine was already sealed by Crimea...which was my earlier point. Once we didn't act (i.e. send in troops) to defend Crimea this outcome was more or less inevitable. McConnell shares some blame there, maybe. but - frankly - the calculus was the same then as it was today: the US and NATO simply weren't/aren't going to start WW3 over Ukraine and Putin is willing to call that bluff. This result has always been inevitable if Russia chose to focus on 'spheres of influence'. Bigger picture: NATO should have faded away after the end of the Cold War. It probably would have if NATO didn't expand into eastern europe, and it definitely would have if Russia chosen to integrate with the West rather than return to antagonism. (Mostly Russia's fault, although the expansion was a questionably timed strategic decision) But here we are. If Russia is going to focus on NATO and attack non-NATO countries, then we are darn well going to keep NATO strong and oppose them, and Russia is going to know exactly where the line is (the NATO "border") for better or worse. --- Pronounced "Whup-pot". Say it. Use it. <cite>wpot posted [p:962051068] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>KodyKeir posted... </cite> <quote>The West actually made significant commitments to defend Ukraine from Russian aggression in exchange for their drawdown of Soviet era armaments, which they did expecting us to be there, which we haven't. You also forgot that the annexation of Crimea and the invasion of the Donetsk came at a time when Moscow Mitch had decided the senate would say no to anything and everything Barry was asking for, leaving Vlad free to make plays across the board (Syria for example)</quote>Yeah, I edited to "NATO-level" commitments, but you beat me to it. Commitments were made, but they were made the fate of Ukraine was already sealed by Crimea...which was my earlier point. Once we didn't act (i.e. send in troops) to defend Crimea this outcome was more or less inevitable. McConnell shares some blame there, maybe. but - frankly - the calculus was the same then as it was today: the US and NATO simply weren't/aren't going to start WW3 over Ukraine and Putin is willing to call that bluff. This result has always been inevitable if Russia chose to focus on 'spheres of influence'. Bigger picture: NATO should have faded away after the end of the Cold War. It probably would have if NATO didn't expand into eastern europe, and it definitely would have if Russia chosen to integrate with the West rather than return to antagonism. (Mostly Russia's fault, although the expansion was a questionably timed strategic decision) But here we are. If Russia is going to focus on NATO and attack non-NATO countries, then we are darn well going to keep NATO strong and oppose them, and Russia is going to know exactly where the line is (the NATO "border") for better or worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 01/25/22 12:05:26 AM #43:	CaptainStrong posted... Fallout 5 is imminent. Cool. I'd rather have the new Elder Scrolls though. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:962053211] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>CaptainStrong posted...</cite> <quote> Fallout 5 is imminent. </quote> Cool. I'd rather have the new Elder Scrolls though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 01/25/22 12:09:27 AM #44:	What is Russia's stake in this anyways? From their point of view, why attack Ukraine? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:962053283] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>What is Russia's stake in this anyways? From their point of view, why attack Ukraine? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KodyKeir 01/25/22 12:17:47 AM #45:	Lokarin posted... From their point of view, why attack Ukraine? From their point of view, they are just reclaiming what is historically theirs, which is why Lavrov can say with a straight face, with no hint of a lie, that it's not an invasion; in the minds of the Russian leadership (and a good portion of the Russian peoples) Ukraine is part of Russia. Plus they see America at it's weakest it's been in decades, stretched thin by wars in the middle east and facing potential showdown with China over Taiwan. --- Why didn't you DODGE‽‽‽ Quoting me will trigger the profanity filter, Not Joking. I've been Scunthorped! Consider yourself warned. <cite>KodyKeir posted [p:962053413] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>From their point of view, why attack Ukraine?</quote> From their point of view, they are just reclaiming what is historically theirs, which is why Lavrov can say with a straight face, with no hint of a lie, that it's not an invasion; in the minds of the Russian leadership (and a good portion of the Russian peoples) Ukraine is part of Russia. Plus they see America at it's weakest it's been in decades, stretched thin by wars in the middle east and facing potential showdown with China over Taiwan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 01/25/22 1:17:49 AM #46:	It doesn't make much sense for Russia to move 100,000 troops to Ukraine's border if they had no intentions of invading Who knows what they'll do, anyone could guess. Anyway, people defending Russia right now are pretty much point blank imperialists with brain worms and it's amazing to see. Political heads I listen to are trying to defend Russia right now and I have to say... it's really opening my eyes to who I should be listening to. How about you go ask Ukrainians what they think of the US's support in defending them against Russia's imperialism and threats? --- why am I even here <cite>Yellow posted [p:962054412] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't make much sense for Russia to move 100,000 troops to Ukraine's border if they had no intentions of invading Who knows what they'll do, anyone could guess. Anyway, people defending Russia right now are pretty much point blank imperialists with brain worms and it's amazing to see. Political heads I listen to are trying to defend Russia right now and I have to say... it's really opening my eyes to who I should be listening to. How about you go ask Ukrainians what they think of the US's support in defending them against Russia's imperialism and threats? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 01/25/22 1:19:37 AM #47:	Lokarin posted... What is Russia's stake in this anyways? From their point of view, why attack Ukraine? They won't say or even admit that they're doing anything, but they'll play the victim card against the tiny country whatever they do. --- why am I even here <cite>Yellow posted [p:962054435] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>What is Russia's stake in this anyways? From their point of view, why attack Ukraine?</quote>They won't say or even admit that they're doing anything, but they'll play the victim card against the tiny country whatever they do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ferarri619 01/25/22 1:22:30 AM #48:	wpot posted... the US and NATO simply weren't/aren't going to start WW3 over Ukraine and Putin is willing to call that bluff. I think you're probably right, but I also think here's this narrative being pushed around that if Putin takes Ukraine, it's the equivalent of letting Hitler take France and that Putin will expand like Hitler did. It's a bad narrative because HItler had global ambitions, while Putin likely only wants countries that were part of the Soviet Union, but the fact that this is being thrown around means people ARE willing to start WW3 because they think Putin is the next Hitler. --- ~Nintendo 64. Get N or Get out. Coming Fall 1996~ <cite>Ferarri619 posted [p:962054475] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>wpot posted... </cite> <quote>the US and NATO simply weren't/aren't going to start WW3 over Ukraine and Putin is willing to call that bluff.</quote> I think you're probably right, but I also think here's this narrative being pushed around that if Putin takes Ukraine, it's the equivalent of letting Hitler take France and that Putin will expand like Hitler did. It's a bad narrative because HItler had global ambitions, while Putin likely only wants countries that were part of the Soviet Union, but the fact that this is being thrown around means people ARE willing to start WW3 because they think Putin is the next Hitler. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fishy071 01/25/22 1:24:47 AM #49:	I already know I won't live long, so I'm ready for death. I'm just afraid the death will be painful. However, I don't think many people are ready for death and annihilation. --- "You don't need a reason to help people." (Zidane Tribal of FFIX) <cite>fishy071 posted [p:962054492] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>I already know I won't live long, so I'm ready for death. I'm just afraid the death will be painful. However, I don't think many people are ready for death and annihilation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 01/25/22 1:24:50 AM #50:	Ferarri619 posted... I think you're probably right, but I also think here's this narrative being pushed around that if Putin takes Ukraine, it's the equivalent of letting Hitler take France and that Putin will expand like Hitler did. It's a bad narrative because HItler had global ambitions, while Putin likely only wants countries that were part of the Soviet Union, but the fact that this is being thrown around means people ARE willing to start WW3 because they think Putin is the next Hitler. Wars have started over less... the invasion of a US ally is not a bad start. --- why am I even here <cite>Yellow posted [p:962054494] in So uhh... ... [t:79863013]...</cite> <quote>Ferarri619 posted... </cite> <quote>I think you're probably right, but I also think here's this narrative being pushed around that if Putin takes Ukraine, it's the equivalent of letting Hitler take France and that Putin will expand like Hitler did. It's a bad narrative because HItler had global ambitions, while Putin likely only wants countries that were part of the Soviet Union, but the fact that this is being thrown around means people ARE willing to start WW3 because they think Putin is the next Hitler.</quote>Wars have started over less... the invasion of a US ally is not a bad start. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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