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HHH is the game 12/21/21 11:37:59 PM #202:	gunplagirl posted... You can be Jewish without being Jewish, there's both an ethnic and religious box you could fit under. Or both. Or neither in which case you aren't unless you convert to the religious variety. That's true, though in this case that's more a problem of the same term being used to mean two distinct things --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:961119514] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>You can be Jewish without being Jewish, there's both an ethnic and religious box you could fit under. Or both. Or neither in which case you aren't unless you convert to the religious variety.</quote> That's true, though in this case that's more a problem of the same term being used to mean two distinct things </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/21/21 11:38:23 PM #203:	Fine. Now what about that 1%? What do we do with them? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961119523] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Fine. Now what about that 1%? What do we do with them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HHH is the game 12/21/21 11:42:13 PM #204:	CyricZ posted... Fine. Now what about that 1%? What do we do with them? Nothing really, they will just have to live with having a different definition than most of society, there's nothing to be done. Unless I guess, they get to a time where people change their minds and that becomes the majority. --- Shelton undoubtedly wants Cena's championship belt. And Cena undoubtedly wants Shelton's black heritage.- looseiver <cite>HHH is the game posted [p:961119584] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Fine. Now what about that 1%? What do we do with them?</quote> Nothing really, they will just have to live with having a different definition than most of society, there's nothing to be done. Unless I guess, they get to a time where people change their minds and that becomes the majority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trappedunderice 12/22/21 12:01:08 AM #206:	Someone needs to call CPS. <cite>trappedunderice posted [p:961119917] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Someone needs to call CPS. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadilay 12/22/21 12:03:30 AM #207:	When you are a white able-bodied cis-male, this is the fastest way to lose some privilege points. Don't hate the player, hate the game. <cite>Shadilay posted [p:961119965] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>When you are a white able-bodied cis-male, this is the fastest way to lose some privilege points. Don't hate the player, hate the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/22/21 12:25:06 AM #208:	There's nothing more infuriating than having a lived experience in your own fucking mind and body and people telling you it's a choice or that your woke parents forced you to be that way. Most LGBT people throughout history have not had progressive parents. Nowhere close. Many of them have turned out the way they are with little to no pushing from external sources, or even pushback. You know why? Because it has jack shit to do with progressiveness or politics. They were always that way despite whatever anyone told them because it was innate. Once again, politics has no fucking place in this debate, which shouldn't even be a debate. There is no issue to disagree on, no choice to disapprove of. A trans person will tell you how they are because they are the ones living in their body. People would make up shit about how kids don't know their sex, gender, or orientation until they're 18 years old despite their own experience confirming that's nonsense, just to continue arrguing that trans people are a result of politics. And why? Because they make you feel icky or something? Transphobes would rather concern troll about the death of boy/girl definitions and the reintroduction of gender stereotypes than accept that trans people are legitimate. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:961120326] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>There's nothing more infuriating than having a lived experience in your own fucking mind and body and people telling you it's a choice or that your woke parents forced you to be that way. Most LGBT people throughout history have not had progressive parents. Nowhere close. Many of them have turned out the way they are with little to no pushing from external sources, or even pushback. You know why? Because it has jack shit to do with progressiveness or politics. They were always that way despite whatever anyone told them because it was innate. Once again, politics has no fucking place in this debate, which shouldn't even be a debate. There is no issue to disagree on, no choice to disapprove of. A trans person will tell you how they are because they are the ones living in their body. People would make up shit about how kids don't know their sex, gender, or orientation until they're 18 years old despite their own experience confirming that's nonsense, just to continue arrguing that trans people are a result of politics. And why? Because they make you feel icky or something? Transphobes would rather concern troll about the death of boy/girl definitions and the reintroduction of gender stereotypes than accept that trans people are legitimate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yournickk- 12/22/21 12:33:58 AM #209:	kelemvor posted... This happened a while ago, maybe it was in the 70s... Some doctor performed gender assignment surgery as an experiment on a child after telling the parents that gender is assigned by how you raise the kid. Of course, the child went on to committ suicide later in life, I believe. No source.... I saw it on one of those learning channels a while back.. Here is the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money This doctor should have spent the rest of his life in prison. "...During subsequent appointments with Reimer and Reimer's twin brother Brian, Money forced the two to rehearse sexual acts, with David playing the bottom role as his brother "[pressed] his crotch against" David's buttocks. Money also forced the two children to strip for "genital inspections", occasionally taking photos. Money justified these criminal acts by claiming that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity". Reimer's twin brother, Brian, later developed schizophrenia. On 1 July 2002, Brian was found dead from an overdose of antidepressants. On 4 May 2004, after suffering years of severe depression, financial instability, and marital troubles, David committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a sawed-off shotgun at the age of 38. Reimer's parents have stated that Money's methodology was responsible for the deaths of both of their sons..." <cite>Yournickk- posted [p:961120490] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>kelemvor posted... </cite> <quote>This happened a while ago, maybe it was in the 70s... Some doctor performed gender assignment surgery as an experiment on a child after telling the parents that gender is assigned by how you raise the kid. Of course, the child went on to committ suicide later in life, I believe. No source.... I saw it on one of those learning channels a while back..</quote> Here is the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money This doctor should have spent the rest of his life in prison. "...During subsequent appointments with Reimer and Reimer's twin brother Brian, Money forced the two to rehearse sexual acts, with David playing the bottom role as his brother "[pressed] his crotch against" David's buttocks. Money also forced the two children to strip for "genital inspections", occasionally taking photos. Money justified these criminal acts by claiming that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity". Reimer's twin brother, Brian, later developed schizophrenia. On 1 July 2002, Brian was found dead from an overdose of antidepressants. On 4 May 2004, after suffering years of severe depression, financial instability, and marital troubles, David committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a sawed-off shotgun at the age of 38. Reimer's parents have stated that Money's methodology was responsible for the deaths of both of their sons..." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yournickk- 12/22/21 12:44:36 AM #210:	hockeybub89 posted... There's nothing more infuriating than having a lived experience in your own fucking mind and body and people telling you it's a choice or that your woke parents forced you to be that way. Did you read the title of this thread? Parents of trans 5-year-old post heartwarming story of child's transition A 5 y/o kid. What does a 5 y/o know? What "life experience" does a 5 y/o have? <cite>Yournickk- posted [p:961120674] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>There's nothing more infuriating than having a lived experience in your own fucking mind and body and people telling you it's a choice or that your woke parents forced you to be that way.</quote> Did you read the title of this thread? <quote>Parents of trans 5-year-old post heartwarming story of child's transition</quote> A 5 y/o kid. What does a 5 y/o know? What "life experience" does a 5 y/o have? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 12/22/21 12:49:56 AM #211:	Are five year olds even people?? --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 23 states <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:961120745] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Are five year olds even people?? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MushroomMuncher 12/22/21 12:54:51 AM #212:	Derwood posted... Man, people get REALLY bent out of shape when they can't put people into one of two boxes Its almost like ones own personal interests shouldn't be stereotyped into oblivion --- Do I look like I know what a jpeg is <cite>MushroomMuncher posted [p:961120817] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>Man, people get REALLY bent out of shape when they can't put people into one of two boxes</quote>Its almost like ones own personal interests shouldn't be stereotyped into oblivion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 12/22/21 1:36:49 AM #213:	MushroomMuncher posted... You did you just didn't know it @MushroomMuncher I did not, and I invite you to quote the post where I did. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:961121309] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>MushroomMuncher posted... </cite> <quote>You did you just didn't know it</quote> @MushroomMuncher I did not, and I invite you to quote the post where I did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MushroomMuncher 12/22/21 1:50:10 AM #214:	TheOtherMike posted... @MushroomMuncher I did not, and I invite you to quote the post where I did. Exactly, you didn't know you did --- Do I look like I know what a jpeg is <cite>MushroomMuncher posted [p:961121463] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>TheOtherMike posted... </cite> <quote>@MushroomMuncher I did not, and I invite you to quote the post where I did.</quote>Exactly, you didn't know you did </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOtherMike 12/22/21 1:52:33 AM #215:	MushroomMuncher posted... Exactly, you didn't know you did I know for a fact I didn't, quit trolling. <cite>TheOtherMike posted [p:961121487] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>MushroomMuncher posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly, you didn't know you did</quote> I know for a fact I didn't, quit trolling. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wolfesth6090 12/22/21 1:55:09 AM #216:	The rouletting of alts into this thread by the same people in order to avoid moderations for transphobia is most amusing. Is Jimmy Hoffa going to pop up next. <cite>Wolfesth6090 posted [p:961121514] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>The rouletting of alts into this thread by the same people in order to avoid moderations for transphobia is most amusing. Is Jimmy Hoffa going to pop up next. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 12/22/21 1:59:15 AM #217:	TC during posts 1-20 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/3/AAAJePAACulf.jpg TC at post 21 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/5/AAAJePAACulh.png --- Go to this website for the TRUTH--if you can handle it! howbidenstoletheelection.com <cite>action52 posted [p:961121580] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>TC during posts 1-20 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/3/AAAJePAACulf.jpg TC at post 21 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/0/5/AAAJePAACulh.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 12/22/21 1:59:48 AM #218:	218 500 here we go --- Life is just a journey from the maternity ward to the crematorium. https://imgur.com/a/LEjr0RZ waifu courtesy of bnui_ransder <cite>Nukazie posted [p:961121586] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>218 500 here we go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cyberwrath 12/22/21 2:00:41 AM #219:	CyricZ posted... Why? Who are you to say what makes a person Jewish? Judaism is in part ethnicity. If you're born of a Jewish mother, then you're Jewish. You can choose not to practice, go to temple, keep kosher, etc. You can even denounce your religion if you want. But if you're born Jewish, that will never change. When I sent in my DNA to ancestry.com, it came back with saying 50% European Jewish (due to my mother). It's literally in the fabric of my DNA. I think the point HHH was trying to make is that there are certain things that are absolutes, rooted in science, that have nothing to do with how a person feels. <cite>Cyberwrath posted [p:961121604] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Why? Who are you to say what makes a person Jewish?</quote> Judaism is in part ethnicity. If you're born of a Jewish mother, then you're Jewish. You can choose not to practice, go to temple, keep kosher, etc. You can even denounce your religion if you want. But if you're born Jewish, that will never change. When I sent in my DNA to ancestry.com, it came back with saying 50% European Jewish (due to my mother). It's literally in the fabric of my DNA. I think the point HHH was trying to make is that there are certain things that are absolutes, rooted in science, that have nothing to do with how a person feels. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
runewalshPSiv 12/22/21 2:01:32 AM #220:	trappedunderice posted... Someone needs to call CPS. --- There's no sensation to compare with this Suspended animation, a state of bliss <cite>runewalshPSiv posted [p:961121614] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>trappedunderice posted... </cite> <quote>Someone needs to call CPS.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/22/21 2:04:02 AM #221:	All transphobes deserve to be persecuted. --- If CalArts isn't real, what else isn't real? Am I even real? <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:961121643] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>All transphobes deserve to be persecuted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 12/22/21 2:46:17 AM #222:	Cyberwrath posted... I think the point HHH was trying to make is that there are certain things that are absolutes, rooted in science, that have nothing to do with how a person feels. Like a chromosome or DNA? --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:961122092] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Cyberwrath posted... </cite> <quote>I think the point HHH was trying to make is that there are certain things that are absolutes, rooted in science, that have nothing to do with how a person feels.</quote> Like a chromosome or DNA? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Northlane 12/22/21 2:53:38 AM #223:	DowntownMrSmith posted... They read them a book about non binary people the very same day the child didn't want to wear a skirt. Poor kid Hope she turns out alright --- "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life." LAL \| LV \| LAD <cite>Northlane posted [p:961122160] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>DowntownMrSmith posted... </cite> <quote>They read them a book about non binary people the very same day the child didn't want to wear a skirt.</quote>Poor kid Hope she turns out alright </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/22/21 3:07:38 AM #224:	@ColdOne666 posted... Like a chromosome or DNA? Quick, whats the C-Value enigma? Preferably without looking it up --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:961122282] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>@ColdOne666 posted... </cite> <quote>Like a chromosome or DNA?</quote> Quick, whats the C-Value enigma? Preferably without looking it up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 12/22/21 3:15:00 AM #226:	Zeeak4444 posted... @ Quick, whats the C-Value enigma? Preferably without looking it up Not sure why you're trying to bring up a 70 year old argument that is only tangentially related to the subject at hand but the C-Value enigma is a reference to how the variation in nuclear genome does not accurately reflect complexity of an organism. Its mostly a comparison in diveristy between plant and animal cells and how the latter tends to lead to much more widely diverse organisms than the former despite the former having a MUCH higher complexity of genome --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:961122339] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote>@ Quick, whats the C-Value enigma? Preferably without looking it up </quote> Not sure why you're trying to bring up a 70 year old argument that is only tangentially related to the subject at hand but the C-Value enigma is a reference to how the variation in nuclear genome does not accurately reflect complexity of an organism. Its mostly a comparison in diveristy between plant and animal cells and how the latter tends to lead to much more widely diverse organisms than the former despite the former having a MUCH higher complexity of genome</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/22/21 3:16:57 AM #227:	MI4 REAL posted... If you want to call yourself one, I have no reason to object. fire_bolt posted... Someone just skimmed an article or two to copy down a summary. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:961122362] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote><cite>MI4 REAL posted... </cite> <quote> </quote>If you want to call yourself one, I have no reason to object. fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote> </quote>Someone just skimmed an article or two to copy down a summary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 12/22/21 3:19:37 AM #228:	gunplagirl posted... Someone just skimmed an article or two to copy down a summary. Frankly even that is giving them too much credit tbh. A more accurate description would be they got a talking point from somewhere else that vague referenced an article and didn't fact check it at all. C-Value has fuck all to do with transgenderism but I guess they felt a bunch of scientific terminology would give them some academic heft or something --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:961122385] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> Someone just skimmed an article or two to copy down a summary. </quote> Frankly even that is giving them too much credit tbh. A more accurate description would be they got a talking point from somewhere else that vague referenced an article and didn't fact check it at all. C-Value has fuck all to do with transgenderism but I guess they felt a bunch of scientific terminology would give them some academic heft or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solution_45 12/22/21 3:25:13 AM #229:	trappedunderice posted... Someone needs to call CPS. <cite>Solution_45 posted [p:961122417] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>trappedunderice posted... </cite> <quote>Someone needs to call CPS.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 12/22/21 3:28:02 AM #230:	DowntownMrSmith posted... Really, you dont see anything strange about how the parents rushed to judgment on such a life changing decision for their child? It honestly didn't seem very forced or rushed at all. Going purely by this story, the child took every step of their own volition. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:961122433] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>DowntownMrSmith posted... </cite> <quote>Really, you dont see anything strange about how the parents rushed to judgment on such a life changing decision for their child?</quote>It honestly didn't seem very forced or rushed at all. Going purely by this story, the child took every step of their own volition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/22/21 3:34:26 AM #231:	fire_bolt posted... Not sure why you're trying to bring up a 70 year old argument that is only tangentially related to the subject at hand but the C-Value enigma is a reference to how the variation in nuclear genome does not accurately reflect complexity of an organism. Its mostly a comparison in diveristy between plant and animal cells and how the latter tends to lead to much more widely diverse organisms than the former despite the former having a MUCH higher complexity of genome because you should have an understanding of the complexity of the subject if youre going to discuss it at all. so the question here is, do you support the statement that poster was trying to make? If not, then theres literally no reason for you to have responded. If so, please feel free to elaborate on your viewpoint and Ill be happy to have a nuanced discussion on it (probably tomorrow though cause its late). edit: fire_bolt posted... Frankly even that is giving them too much credit tbh. A more accurate description would be they got a talking point from somewhere else that vague referenced an article and didn't fact check it at all. C-Value has fuck all to do with transgenderism but I guess they felt a bunch of scientific terminology would give them some academic heft or something that post sounded like she was talking about you tbh. I didnt give a summary on it --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:961122491] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote>Not sure why you're trying to bring up a 70 year old argument that is only tangentially related to the subject at hand but the C-Value enigma is a reference to how the variation in nuclear genome does not accurately reflect complexity of an organism. Its mostly a comparison in diveristy between plant and animal cells and how the latter tends to lead to much more widely diverse organisms than the former despite the former having a MUCH higher complexity of genome</quote> because you should have an understanding of the complexity of the subject if youre going to discuss it at all. so the question here is, do you support the statement that poster was trying to make? If not, then theres literally no reason for you to have responded. If so, please feel free to elaborate on your viewpoint and Ill be happy to have a nuanced discussion on it (probably tomorrow though cause its late). edit: fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote>Frankly even that is giving them too much credit tbh. A more accurate description would be they got a talking point from somewhere else that vague referenced an article and didn't fact check it at all. C-Value has fuck all to do with transgenderism but I guess they felt a bunch of scientific terminology would give them some academic heft or something</quote> that post sounded like she was talking about you tbh. I didnt give a summary on it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 12/22/21 3:49:13 AM #232:	Zeeak4444 posted... that post sounded like she was talking about you tbh. I didnt give a summary on it It was not, it was in reference to the post I quoted --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:961122622] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted... </cite> <quote>that post sounded like she was talking about you tbh. I didnt give a summary on it</quote>It was not, it was in reference to the post I quoted </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/22/21 4:01:58 AM #233:	gunplagirl posted... It was not, it was in reference to the post I quoted oh is that 225? I didnt even realize that was deleted until now, I thought that was referencing something earlier in the topic or something. thought firebolt was replying to you about me too and was super confused. my bad to both you for missing that. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:961122755] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>It was not, it was in reference to the post I quoted</quote> oh is that 225? I didnt even realize that was deleted until now, I thought that was referencing something earlier in the topic or something. thought firebolt was replying to you about me too and was super confused. my bad to both you for missing that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 12/22/21 5:01:38 AM #234:	This topic is going places. Not good places, but places. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:961123312] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>This topic is going places. Not good places, but places. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/22/21 5:18:11 AM #235:	Doe posted... Crazy how trans slippery slope arguments are identical to gay marriage slippery slope arguments. and interracial marriage slippery slope arguments --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:961123449] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>Crazy how trans slippery slope arguments are identical to gay marriage slippery slope arguments.</quote>and interracial marriage slippery slope arguments </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pocket_Hercules 12/22/21 5:45:13 AM #236:	Honk honk --- Jaguars \| Aston Villa \| Hornets <cite>Pocket_Hercules posted [p:961123651] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Honk honk </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
General-Secura 12/22/21 6:09:34 AM #237:	Seems to me like the little girl just wanted to wear pants instead of skirts and the parents then immediately stuffed her head full of trans ideas. <cite>General-Secura posted [p:961123857] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Seems to me like the little girl just wanted to wear pants instead of skirts and the parents then immediately stuffed her head full of trans ideas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 12/22/21 6:12:03 AM #238:	General-Secura posted... Seems like you're grasping at straws --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:961123874] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>General-Secura posted... </cite> <quote>Seems like you're grasping at straws</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
General-Secura 12/22/21 6:23:08 AM #239:	Just saying, the parents' first reaction to their daughter wanting to wear pants instead of skirts was NOT to just buy her some pants but to buy her a book on trans people and read it to her. The parents were clearly hoping this would happen so they could parade the poor kid around for brownie points. <cite>General-Secura posted [p:961123944] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Just saying, the parents' first reaction to their daughter wanting to wear pants instead of skirts was NOT to just buy her some pants but to buy her a book on trans people and read it to her. The parents were clearly hoping this would happen so they could parade the poor kid around for brownie points. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelicRadiance 12/22/21 6:24:04 AM #240:	Surely random internet person knows better than doctors and the child's parents --- She/Her <cite>AngelicRadiance posted [p:961123954] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Surely random internet person knows better than doctors and the child's parents </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 12/22/21 6:24:23 AM #241:	General-Secura posted... That's a massive reach --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:961123958] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>General-Secura posted... </cite> <quote>That's a massive reach </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/22/21 6:25:02 AM #242:	Any transphobes want to address how very few trans people have their heads "stuffed with trans ideas" as kids? Are fundie Christian parents and other ignorant or hateful ones just secret SJWs in disguise? Are all trans people lying about their upbringing and lived experience for some unclear agenda? Yournickk- posted... Did you read the title of this thread? A 5 y/o kid. What does a 5 y/o know? What "life experience" does a 5 y/o have? At what age did you know you were a boy? 12? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:961123964] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Any transphobes want to address how very few trans people have their heads "stuffed with trans ideas" as kids? Are fundie Christian parents and other ignorant or hateful ones just secret SJWs in disguise? Are all trans people lying about their upbringing and lived experience for some unclear agenda? Yournickk- posted... </cite> <quote>Did you read the title of this thread? A 5 y/o kid. What does a 5 y/o know? What "life experience" does a 5 y/o have?</quote>At what age did you know you were a boy? 12? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
General-Secura 12/22/21 6:32:46 AM #243:	No, you know what's a massive reach? What those parents did. Instead of having this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Oh my god, I think she might be trans!" "It's happening! Quick, get the book!" They should've had this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Okay, I'll take her down to Walmart tomorrow so she can pick out some things she wants to wear." <cite>General-Secura posted [p:961124027] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>No, you know what's a massive reach? What those parents did. Instead of having this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Oh my god, I think she might be trans!" "It's happening! Quick, get the book!" They should've had this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Okay, I'll take her down to Walmart tomorrow so she can pick out some things she wants to wear." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Karate_II 12/22/21 6:34:31 AM #244:	General-Secura posted... Keep reaching --- Currently Playing: Dead by Daylight,Friday the 13th and Forza Horizon 5 <cite>Mr_Karate_II posted [p:961124043] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>General-Secura posted... </cite> <quote>Keep reaching </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solution_45 12/22/21 6:36:27 AM #245:	General-Secura posted... No, you know what's a massive reach? What those parents did. Instead of having this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Oh my god, I think she might be trans!" "It's happening! Quick, get the book!" They should've had this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Okay, I'll take her down to Walmart tomorrow so she can pick out some things she wants to wear." not stunning and brave enough <cite>Solution_45 posted [p:961124061] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>General-Secura posted... </cite> <quote>No, you know what's a massive reach? What those parents did. Instead of having this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Oh my god, I think she might be trans!" "It's happening! Quick, get the book!" They should've had this conversation: "Honey, our daughter said she wants to wear pants instead of skirts and dresses." "Okay, I'll take her down to Walmart tomorrow so she can pick out some things she wants to wear."</quote> not stunning and brave enough </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/22/21 6:40:11 AM #246:	Why do people keep making things up that the article didn't say? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961124093] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>Why do people keep making things up that the article didn't say? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 12/22/21 6:40:53 AM #247:	I want to at least commend @CyricZ for actually having discourse. Everyone else is just tossing out alts or tranphobes left and right because they cant fathom people not understanding from a point unrelated to bigotry. I feel the same way as @HHH_is_the_game , but they seem to speak in a much more palatable manner, so I was hoping that discussion would enlighten me. I also see a bit of contradiction with how gender is approached nowadays. And tbh, I also feel a but envious. There were countless times I felt like I wasnt black or felt like this wasnt who I was. I didnt like black shows. Didnt really connect with other black kids. Wasnt a fan of black music. The things and people I enjoyed were white typically. It took me a long time to become okay with myself and my own identity. But it feels like the concept of identity is different for gender unlike everything else. Its like you cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl. Call me transphobic or whatever. But the T in the LGTBQ community is the only one I dont fully understand. And the amount of aggression folks show in support online doesnt really help. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:961124099] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>I want to at least commend @CyricZ for actually having discourse. Everyone else is just tossing out alts or tranphobes left and right because they cant fathom people not understanding from a point unrelated to bigotry. I feel the same way as @HHH_is_the_game , but they seem to speak in a much more palatable manner, so I was hoping that discussion would enlighten me. I also see a bit of contradiction with how gender is approached nowadays. And tbh, I also feel a but envious. There were countless times I felt like I wasnt black or felt like this wasnt who I was. I didnt like black shows. Didnt really connect with other black kids. Wasnt a fan of black music. The things and people I enjoyed were white typically. It took me a long time to become okay with myself and my own identity. But it feels like the concept of identity is different for gender unlike everything else. Its like you cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl. Call me transphobic or whatever. But the T in the LGTBQ community is the only one I dont fully understand. And the amount of aggression folks show in support online doesnt really help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
General-Secura 12/22/21 6:50:05 AM #248:	CyricZ posted... Why do people keep making things up that the article didn't say? The article gives a pretty clear timeline of events. The kid threw a fit about skirts in the morning, got some shorts from the laundry basket and was dropped off at preschool. Then, at bedtime, she's already being read to out of a children's book about trans people. A book that the parents just bought. They literally dropped her off at preschool and rushed to get a book about trans people to read to her the same night. And then I'm not allowed to say that they're jumping to hasty conclusions? <cite>General-Secura posted [p:961124166] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Why do people keep making things up that the article didn't say?</quote>The article gives a pretty clear timeline of events. The kid threw a fit about skirts in the morning, got some shorts from the laundry basket and was dropped off at preschool. Then, at bedtime, she's already being read to out of a children's book about trans people. A book that the parents just bought. They literally dropped her off at preschool and rushed to get a book about trans people to read to her the same night. And then I'm not allowed to say that they're jumping to hasty conclusions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/22/21 6:54:15 AM #249:	cuttin_in_farm posted... But it feels like the concept of identity is different for gender unlike everything else. Its like you cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl. You can, though. The point I was making before I had to force myself to get to bed was that especially when it comes to social based structures is that there are no absolutes except the ones we arbitrarily create. From there my intent was to address the idea of what "gender identity" is, and the fact of the matter is that it's not something one can pluck out of a brain and hold in their hand. All we can know about it as a concept is how people have reacted to it within themselves. The only reasoning we have for it existing is there being people with whom their sex and their gender identity are at odds. They have told us this and we have at times disbelieved them and at other times believed them. And part of it can be based in what a person observes around them of what it means to be a man or to be a woman, and a lot of that is derived from society's assumption on man and woman. But part of it is also internal, something that can't be adequately explained like a physical pain, but I've had it described to me as being an internal sense of something being "wrong" with how they feel in their own body. At the end of the day, defining "boy" and "girl" will still use a lot of what society has built over the millennia, because that doesn't just go away. Trans people can work off that information or realize that none of that fits them when establishing how they express themselves. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961124199] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>But it feels like the concept of identity is different for gender unlike everything else. Its like you cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl.</quote>You can, though. The point I was making before I had to force myself to get to bed was that especially when it comes to social based structures is that there are no absolutes except the ones we arbitrarily create. From there my intent was to address the idea of what "gender identity" is, and the fact of the matter is that it's not something one can pluck out of a brain and hold in their hand. All we can know about it as a concept is how people have reacted to it within themselves. The only reasoning we have for it existing is there being people with whom their sex and their gender identity are at odds. They have told us this and we have at times disbelieved them and at other times believed them. And part of it can be based in what a person observes around them of what it means to be a man or to be a woman, and a lot of that is derived from society's assumption on man and woman. But part of it is also internal, something that can't be adequately explained like a physical pain, but I've had it described to me as being an internal sense of something being "wrong" with how they feel in their own body. At the end of the day, defining "boy" and "girl" will still use a lot of what society has built over the millennia, because that doesn't just go away. Trans people can work off that information or realize that none of that fits them when establishing how they express themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/22/21 6:54:45 AM #250:	General-Secura posted... The kid threw a fit about skirts in the morning, got some shorts from the laundry basket and was dropped off at preschool. Then, at bedtime, she's already being read to out of a children's book about trans people. Nowhere does it say it was the same day. That's an assumption you made. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:961124205] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>General-Secura posted... </cite> <quote>The kid threw a fit about skirts in the morning, got some shorts from the laundry basket and was dropped off at preschool. Then, at bedtime, she's already being read to out of a children's book about trans people.</quote>Nowhere does it say it was the same day. That's an assumption you made. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
General-Secura 12/22/21 6:57:02 AM #251:	CyricZ posted... Nowhere does it say it was the same day. That's an assumption you made. It also doesn't say anywhere that it wasn't the same day. <cite>General-Secura posted [p:961124227] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Nowhere does it say it was the same day. That's an assumption you made.</quote>It also doesn't say anywhere that it wasn't the same day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/22/21 7:03:41 AM #252:	cuttin_in_farm posted... But it feels like the concept of identity is different for gender unlike everything else. Its like you cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl. When you pretend the rest of LGBTQ community doesn't exist just to concern troll about trans people. Who is not allowing people to defy gender norms? It's kind of a big thing right now and people are constantly complaining about it. You do know gender roles have nothing to do with trans people, right? They don't all conform to a box. I personally know a trans man who likes to crossdress. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:961124294] in Parents of... [t:79820583]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>But it feels like the concept of identity is different for gender unlike everything else. Its like you cant be a feminine boy or a masculine girl.</quote>When you pretend the rest of LGBTQ community doesn't exist just to concern troll about trans people. Who is not allowing people to defy gender norms? It's kind of a big thing right now and people are constantly complaining about it. You do know gender roles have nothing to do with trans people, right? They don't all conform to a box. I personally know a trans man who likes to crossdress. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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