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faramir77 11/11/21 12:15:51 AM #1: |
Thoughts?
On one hand, small channels will be less vulnerable to unfair dislikes from trolls. Also, foreign owned bot accounts won't be able to mass spam the dislike button on news videos with the intention of swaying public perception. On the other hand, the dislike ratio for things like help/DIY videos is super useful, as it tells me immediately whether the video is worth my time. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 11/11/21 12:18:11 AM #2: |
Yeah. I think it can be useful for certain things. Like you said, we hit comes to DIY (or anything else where Im watching for help), it can help to know how useful others found it
It can also help content creators when deciding what type of videos to make, tbh --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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streamofthesky 11/11/21 12:20:02 AM #3: |
It's fucking terrible, I hate it
Blatantly obvious it's because of all the instances of big corporations posting unpopular videos and getting down voted to hell over them. And they claim it's for the sake of the mental health of content creators or whatever... But the dislikes aren't actually going away, they're becoming "private", so the general populace can't see the number. So, the only one who CAN still see it... is the content creator himself/herself. Riiiiiight... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bugmeat 11/11/21 12:22:59 AM #4: |
I've found the dislike counter helpful in giving away clickbait bullshit. I guess I'll just need to read comments on unfamiliar posters videos.
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VideoboysaysCube 11/11/21 12:28:35 AM #5: |
Wait, so it's only going to include likes? What kind of metric is that if you can't compare it to dislikes? Besides, I thought uploaders had the option to disable ratings anyway.
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ForteEXE3850 11/11/21 12:29:42 AM #6: |
Quite obviously a move aimed at minimizing public negative feedback for cooperate marketing in general.
No more news articles about "most disliked video on youtube" or "company's marketing video getting mass disliked". Funnily enough, I think google's own video youtube rewind is included in that category (although they've gotten rid of it since it became blatantly obvious the rewind is now just fake advertisement for advertisers). VideoboysaysCube posted... Besides, I thought uploaders had the option to disable ratings anyway. They do, but you never want to disable the likes/dislikes or the comments unless you are getting mass negative feedback and want to hide it, because those systems count as engagement for the youtube algorithm, and everyone assumes if those systems are disabled by choice, it was because of mass negative feedback anyway, so the fact there is negative feedback isn't really being hidden. --- Mwahahahaha. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 11/11/21 12:32:08 AM #7: |
It's absolutely unjustifiable. The only people who benefit from this are companies who don't want to have the obvious "ratings disabled" pop up and snow flakes. Neither should be catered to.
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LinkPizza 11/11/21 12:53:36 AM #8: |
It may also cause less likes altogether Possibly
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Lokarin 11/11/21 12:55:06 AM #9: |
But how else are we supposed to tell someone they suck?
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ParanoidObsessive 11/11/21 9:42:16 AM #10: |
They've been talking about this for a while now, because the corporate overlords don't like people being able to leave negative feedback.
But it's not like it's been working the way it should for a while now anyway. Because even negative votes count as "engagement", which means massively downvoted videos are actually more likely to get recommended to people because of how the shit algorithm works. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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baltoboulbobbi 11/11/21 9:47:07 AM #11: |
Rockstar is very happy now
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papercup 11/11/21 9:48:46 AM #12: |
wtf? that's terrible
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Dikitain 11/11/21 9:54:06 AM #13: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
They've been talking about this for a while now, because the corporate overlords don't like people being able to leave negative feedback.So rather than fixing their shitty algorithm, they just disable parts of the system that they don't know how to properly handle? Yep, that sounds like Google to me. --- After 16 years, I have decided my signature will NOT be about my job! But I still don't know what to put here so...yea... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReggieTheReckless 11/11/21 9:56:06 AM #14: |
boooo
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DragonClaw01 11/11/21 10:12:01 AM #15: |
Dikitain posted...
So rather than fixing their shitty algorithm, they just disable parts of the system that they don't know how to properly handle?Thier algorithm is pretty basic. Mega corps pays them the money, YouTube puts them on the front page. If YouTube dislikes you, you are essentially sent to SEO hell. --- <('.'<) <(^.^)> (>'.')> Splendiferous ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kind9 11/11/21 10:21:27 AM #16: |
Whatever. I used to think it would be a good idea, but I think it's also a good indicator to content creators that their content sucks.
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Far-Queue 11/11/21 10:24:56 AM #17: |
I don't use that feature so I don't care, really. I never "like" or dislike things. Just watch (and very rarely comment)
Of the handful of videos I've posted I've only garnered a couple hundred views and I couldn't tell you how many likes or dislikes but it's probably not a lot of either --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "My last bike gave me severe taint pain." - Dikitain ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wwinterj25 11/11/21 10:51:26 AM #18: |
Far-Queue posted...
I don't use that feature so I don't care, really. I never "like" or dislike things. Just watch (and very rarely comment) Same. All this need for validation on social media is pathetic. baltoboulbobbi posted... Rockstar is very happy now What's wrong with the definitive edition? I hear some songs didn't make it due to licencing issues such as Billie Jean but that isn't a deal breaker. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ToastyPOP 11/11/21 12:47:14 PM #19: |
The algorithm doesn't see a difference between a like and a dislike, it's all just engagement. The visible likes/dislikes bar is only there for the viewer's benefit.
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DevilSummoner1 11/11/21 12:54:29 PM #20: |
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Amazingspiderman1 11/11/21 1:10:23 PM #21: |
streamofthesky posted...
It's fucking terrible, I hate it --- Gamertag: VenomousRage20x / Dallas Mavericks 2020 - 2021 I really don't know what to think about next season. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 11/11/21 1:11:54 PM #22: |
YouTube already has alternatives popping up, pretty stupid to test more shit takes now.
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Veedrock- 11/11/21 1:27:58 PM #23: |
I don't use YouTube but can you even see the downvotes before clicking the video?
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baltoboulbobbi 11/11/21 1:52:08 PM #24: |
wwinterj25 posted...
Same. All this need for validation on social media is pathetic.Not the definitive edition, this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQT-O1nMSBU --- Not changing this sig until I have aquired Sonoran Kog'Maw - Started March 4 2021 https://imgur.com/jcJwFoT - March 1st 2019 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 11/11/21 1:54:43 PM #25: |
Why not just get rid of the dislike button altogether then?
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LinkPizza 11/11/21 2:52:50 PM #26: |
Far-Queue posted...
I don't use that feature so I don't care, really. I never "like" or dislike things. Just watch (and very rarely comment) I never really use the dislike button. But I do use the like button for the videos I like. Normally, the ones by content creators I like... Comments vary... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 11/11/21 2:54:44 PM #27: |
Veedrock- posted...
I don't use YouTube but can you even see the downvotes before clicking the video? I don't think so. But it's usually immediate visible when you click in. So, that could tell you whether or not to waste time with it in some cases... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 11/11/21 3:30:08 PM #28: |
fuck YouTube. Theyre just as bad as Facebook and Twitter.
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Zeus 11/11/21 4:43:51 PM #29: |
jfc, why?
Likes by themselves are meaningless. Or is this YT bowing to corporate pressure from advertisers who make shitty games? faramir77 posted... Also, foreign owned bot accounts won't be able to mass spam the dislike button on news videos with the intention of swaying public perception. ...but now they can spam the like button on videos to sway public perception. And if your first reaction is "DAMN FOREIGGGNNNERS!!!" that's a little sketch. Muscles posted... Why not just get rid of the dislike button altogether then? And why not just put the whole world in a bottle?! --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JOExHIGASHI 11/11/21 4:44:14 PM #30: |
It's really dumb. But I guess this gives them less data so they can't push certain videos to front page. But I suspect they're going to push certain videos regardless of what algorithm says
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OhhhJa 11/11/21 4:48:17 PM #31: |
streamofthesky posted...
Blatantly obvious it's because of all the instances of big corporations posting unpopular videos and getting down voted to hell over them.And Joe biden/official white house channel videos getting massively down voted ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 11/11/21 4:54:48 PM #32: |
JOExHIGASHI posted...
It's really dumb. But I guess this gives them less data so they can't push certain videos to front page. But I suspect they're going to push certain videos regardless of what algorithm says they always have as soon as they started being a platform for more mainstream content they totally changed their playbook and smaller creators have to play by a much different and more challenging set of rules compared to talk show hosts and other massively popular things that have made their way to youtube and yeah if something will help their bottom line they put it as trending regardless of their algorithm --- Proud B Student ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ParanoidObsessive 11/11/21 5:20:39 PM #33: |
Zeus posted...
And why not just put the whole world in a bottle?! Shut up Lex, why haven't you cured cancer yet? --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rexcrk 11/11/21 5:41:54 PM #34: |
faramir77 posted...
Thoughts? Couldnt care less tbh. --- Bah weep grannah weep ni ni bon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 11/11/21 6:03:25 PM #35: |
A site I visit did something like this very briefly and there was a massive backlash. They quickly reinstated it because it wasn't really helping anything.
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argonautweakend 11/11/21 6:45:31 PM #36: |
That is unfortunate. The like and dislike bar is the easiest way to tell if a video is good or bad most of the time. What I mean is, videos that have to deliver(like, a sick magic trick, a fail compilation, etc) are actually generally not very good if the ratio is off.
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ParanoidObsessive 11/11/21 7:10:07 PM #37: |
Solid Sonic posted...
A site I visit did something like this very briefly and there was a massive backlash. They quickly reinstated it because it wasn't really helping anything. Google/YouTube doesn't really pay attention to backlash, though, and they definitely don't care about helping anything. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 11/11/21 7:14:48 PM #38: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Google/YouTube doesn't really pay attention to backlash, though, and they definitely don't care about helping anything. Why do I have this urge to lash out against your response? --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The_tall_midget 11/11/21 7:20:43 PM #39: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Shut up Lex, why haven't you cured cancer yet? But I don't want to cure cancer, I want to turn people into dinosaurs! --- Let's go Brandon! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BTH_Phoenix 11/12/21 2:59:51 PM #40: |
People who deserve to be criticized couldn't handle the criticism.
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SKARDAVNELNATE 11/12/21 6:20:10 PM #41: |
The following is a brief list of things I'd rather they remove instead.
Advertising. The YouTube TV trial that pops up in the corner of the screen. That blue box that says I'm not signed in. That other blue box that points out the Join button. That bar that shows up at the bottom of the video when I pause it trying to read something, which is now obscured by the bar. That miniature player that pops up after I leave the page and continues the video I didn't want to finish. I'm also annoyed at creators who talk about the percentage of viewers who aren't subscribed and fail to realize that those viewers don't have an account, thus they can't subscribe. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ganondorf77 11/13/21 5:19:28 AM #42: |
Bad move that one.
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Mead 11/13/21 6:21:32 AM #43: |
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Shut up Lex, why haven't you cured cancer yet? He has though. The cure can be yours for only $99/month for the first two years. --- Enlighten yourself. You're the only one who can. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 11/13/21 6:47:11 AM #44: |
It's a relic of the 2000s.
Youtube is a PR platform now, not about individual creators, but about corporate interests. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Not removing this until I've left March 2020. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blightzkrieg 11/13/21 12:02:18 PM #45: |
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The_tall_midget 11/13/21 12:45:36 PM #46: |
YouTube, as much as Facebook, Twitter, and most social media platform, have shown in the last years or so that they are nothing but tools of the left. Considering they are going out of their way to try and censor ANYTHING that criticized all (and that's a lot) of Biden's failures, more recently as any form of defense of Rittenhouse, or promoting the usual woke garbage, this doesn't come as a surprise to anyone capable of any form of thought.
I mean, if you want to get a pulse of what the world thinks of the woke (not the reasonable part) of leftist ideologies, just look at the usual upvote/downvote on the sjw garbage such as : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj10S5oqSOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpbxiAUSW8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwvAgDCOdU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0 Or any recent YouTube yearly highlight reel. I could link garbage for a while which all received gigantic downvote ratios. The majority of the world are tired of woke garbage that YouTube tries to promote and removing the downvote option was another step at public censorship being enforced by leftist ideologies. "Don't like our brand of garbage? Then we'll disallow you a way of saying you don't like it." --- Let's go Brandon! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Revelation34 11/13/21 1:09:24 PM #47: |
Dislikes should never be removed on anything.
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Judgmenl 11/13/21 2:13:37 PM #48: |
I forgot the dislike button removal thing was based on input from the US government.
There was a Senate thing earlier this year about harassment and the dislike button and they were asked to remove it. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac Not removing this until I've left March 2020. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BEERandWEED 11/13/21 2:43:09 PM #49: |
Got to protect those feels of terrible youtubers.
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Solid Sonic 11/13/21 2:55:46 PM #50: |
Judgmenl posted...
It's a relic of the 2000s. Honestly I'm sad. What happened to just making videos for fun? Now it's all about engagement and algorithms. --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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