Board 8 > Dave Chappelle's Netflix specials.

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HaRRicH
10/07/21 3:47:23 PM
#1:


Do your have a favorite Netflix stand-up special of his?









New special came out and Chappelle said this would be his last one for awhile...let's talk about it.

For me:
(Killin' Them Softly) = The Bird Revelation > Deep in the Heart of Texas >= Age of Spin > Equanimity > (For What It's Worth) >> The Closer > Sticks and Stones

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Johnbobb
10/07/21 5:16:59 PM
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Saw the first three or four but not the most recent ones

don't remember them much aside from the alphabet people stuff and the anti-cancel culture stuff, which was pretty lame

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StartTheMachine
10/07/21 6:06:28 PM
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Voted for The Bird Revelation. I thought the first four were all pretty great with The Bird Revelation being spectacular. Sticks and Stones was pretty lackluster. I didn't find it offensive or anything, just not as funny.

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HaRRicH
10/08/21 5:51:50 PM
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I'm surprised "Chappelle's return has been lackluster" is running away with it. Then again, he did just release a controversial special that continues to focus on the gloomy cloud of his return: harping on the LGBTQ community.

It's unforunate he's spent as much time on the topic as he has. I don't think he cares about the topic as much as he talks about the topic -- a lot of it tends to be factually wrong or shallow -- and now for better or (in my opinion) for worse it's borderline-defining his modern career.

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MrGreenonion
10/08/21 8:16:21 PM
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Chappelle sucks
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Paratroopa1
10/08/21 8:29:55 PM
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HaRRicH posted...
I'm surprised "Chappelle's return has been lackluster" is running away with it. Then again, he did just release a controversial special that continues to focus on the gloomy cloud of his return: harping on the LGBTQ community.
'then again', indeed
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SaveEstelle
10/08/21 10:41:02 PM
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Paratroopa1 posted...

'then again', indeed

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jcgamer107
10/08/21 11:11:18 PM
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Sticks and Stones was great. The Closer was alright but basically retreading the same ground.

HaRRicH posted...
I'm surprised "Chappelle's return has been lackluster" is running away with it
it's Board 8

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StealThisSheen
10/08/21 11:20:12 PM
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Paratroopa1 posted...
'then again', indeed

This. The "then again" is a very, very big part that's tough to ignore.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/08/21 11:20:24 PM
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The general reaction I've seen to Chappelle recently has been one of three things.

A) People considering it some of the best television of the decade

B) People thinking he's completely lost it and isn't funny at all anymore

C) By far the largest majority; people who do not give a shit

Chappelle's prime was a much longer time ago than people here are willing to admit. For most of the modern youth generation he has no relevance whatsoever, and there's really no reason to expect them to know who he is either.

It is no exaggeration at all to say I've seen these specials talked about here more than twice as much as I've seen them talked about anywhere else.

The people who are upset about his...less than acceptable viewpoints are mixed into both B and C, of course.

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HaRRicH
10/09/21 12:07:00 AM
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jcgamer107 posted...
it's Board 8

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't know that this poll would have gone the same way three years ago. Pobably because...

StealThisSheen posted...
The "then again" is a very, very big part that's tough to ignore.

...and Dave has let just about any chance of letting this slide or be corrected not slide or be corrected over his past two specials. It sucks to see it happen as a longtime fan.

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HaRRicH
10/09/21 12:13:48 AM
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And to UshiromiyaEva's point, I explained Chappelle's history to a twenty-five year old like right before The Closer came out and they just had no awareness of what made him so big. That's probably common.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/09/21 12:18:19 AM
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There's a 90% chance that someone in their early to mid 20s will be more likely to know who Dream is than Chappelle.

Though if we're talking about awareness of his existence, we actually hit the other issue of a whole lot of the younger demographic ONLY knowing who he is...because they were exposed to his controversy.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/09/21 12:29:17 AM
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https://twitter.com/parkermolloy/status/1446256465572990976?s=21

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GuessMyUserName
10/09/21 12:37:12 AM
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B8's a long close-knit friendly community with a rather decent trans population so it shouldn't be so surprising there's a lot of people here turned off by Dave's recent focus, more-so than the general population who don't know or are unaware of any personal relationships with a trans person.

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KamikazePotato
10/09/21 12:43:49 AM
#17:


I've been out on the loop regarding recent Dave Chapelle stuff and this topic was not a fun refresher course! Like, if I had any interest in catching up on his comedy, it's completely gone now.

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HaRRicH
10/09/21 1:06:56 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
B8's a long close-knit friendly community with a rather decent trans population so it shouldn't be so surprising there's a lot of people here turned off by Dave's recent focus, more-so than the general population who don't know or are unaware of any personal relationships with a trans person.

This is fair. I was thinking people would just like other specials they like more instead of not liking his return in general, but that explanation makes sense.

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Johnbobb
10/09/21 10:32:35 AM
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I will say, there's one excellent special Dave put out (not on Netflix) in the wake of the George Floyd murder, that kind of balanced the line between comedy and serious that was both funny and heartfelt and well thought out. It was honestly brilliant

The fact that now his effort is just being spent on punching down is more of a disappointment than anything

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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 10:47:50 AM
#20:


I voted Sticks and Stones but I am pretty sure I mixed it up with the Bird Revelation

Which is the one where he had that (false) story about Bill Cosby paying for MLK's speakers in the "I Have a Dream" speech?
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Steiner
10/09/21 10:58:32 AM
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i only know him as the transphobia guy, my head span when i came into this topic and it was like "which of these things is the best" lol

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HaRRicH
10/09/21 12:58:15 PM
#22:


I would agree Chappelle's 8:46 special was impactful. I also felt similarly about his Unforgiven video for talking about facing the Hollywood system. Dude's complicated, but that doesn't excuse when he's wrong -- and he is wrong on this for the ways he keeps getting facts wrong with insults and then keeps focusing on their reactions with retorts of misunderstandings. He's fanned flames and denied his part in it.

I'll note that The Closer tried to give some of his most personal experiences with the community instead of just talking about LGBTQ people as a broader distant topic like airplane food. That was important in theory, but even then his performance was still so often problematic...and that was most of his special.

Steiner posted...
i only know him as the transphobia guy, my head span when i came into this topic and it was like "which of these things is the best" lol

As someone who followed his career for like twenty years and was one of many people in my generation I knew who loved Chappelle's past work, a thing I've got to learn is that the perception of him with many people has largely and recently changed in a way where it's not just "I still like him but don't like those jokes" but rather "I don't like him (anymore) because of those jokes" or "I only know these jokes I don't like by him."

It sucks to see it happen as far as personal celebrity impacts VS individual celebrities changing. I've dealt with this before with previous favorites like Kanye West though so I'll adjust...just one of the pitfalls of liking celebrities sometimes I guess.

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Johnbobb
10/09/21 1:05:49 PM
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I mean I'll still watch and enjoy Chapelle Show just fine, in the same way I'll still watch the Harry Potter movies

I'm just disappointed

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Suprak the Stud
10/09/21 1:17:40 PM
#24:


Johnbobb posted...
I mean I'll still watch and enjoy Chapelle Show just fine, in the same way I'll still watch the Harry Potter movies

I'm just disappointed

Its sad to see the person who I thought was the funniest person in the world like 10-15 years ago devolve into this. I tried to watch this special and it isnt just the transphobia. His jokes are lazy. His punchlines are ill conceived. He just isnt funny. Some of his other Netflix specials at least had good bits. This felt like a death knell.

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GuessMyUserName
10/09/21 1:37:19 PM
#25:


Older celebs are falling victim to the trap of insulation that the age of social media bolsters and they don't understand it. If a celeb fucks up you'll always have their stans ardently defending and praising them, or new fans that are attracted to the new material, and this allows them to brush off any criticism, since their new bubble declares there's no big deal or it was all fantastic. That becomes their only reality.

Not that it's just for celebrities either, but they get the added effect of celebrity worship and stardom that regular people don't get - fans don't want to believe they could be so bad, or fans that don't care about the issues will feel targeted by criticism of their idol. And when you're as revered as Chappelle's history has made him, you're untouchable to any of your peers, and have even been able to form strong personal bonds with many of them.

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redrocket
10/09/21 2:14:20 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
Older celebs are falling victim to the trap of insulation that the age of social media bolsters and they don't understand it. If a celeb fucks up you'll always have their stans ardently defending and praising them, or new fans that are attracted to the new material, and this allows them to brush off any criticism, since their new bubble declares there's no big deal or it was all fantastic. That becomes their only reality.

Not that it's just for celebrities either, but they get the added effect of celebrity worship and stardom that regular people don't get - fans don't want to believe they could be so bad, or fans that don't care about the issues will feel targeted by criticism of their idol. And when you're as revered as Chappelle's history has made him, you're untouchable to any of your peers, and have even been able to form strong personal bonds with many of them.

So what youre saying is this is just another example of the fallout of the Casual Revolution?

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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 2:22:39 PM
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Johnbobb posted...
I mean I'll still watch and enjoy Chapelle Show just fine, in the same way I'll still watch the Harry Potter movies

I'm just disappointed
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pjbasis
10/09/21 2:42:24 PM
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Is he actually transphobic or did he just say some things that weren't PC enough.

The only clip showed someone posted in this didn't seem bad at all, he was making fun of transracism, which isn't a thing?

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ChaosTonyV4
10/09/21 4:18:31 PM
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pjbasis posted...
Is he actually transphobic or did he just say some things that weren't PC enough.

The only clip showed someone posted in this didn't seem bad at all, he was making fun of transracism, which isn't a thing?

I havent seen it, but the headlines say he said hes on Team TERF, which is by definition transphobic, so yeah


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Dragonair
10/09/21 4:57:41 PM
#30:


fuck dave chappelle

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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 5:05:05 PM
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pjbasis posted...
Is he actually transphobic or did he just say some things that weren't PC enough.

The only clip showed someone posted in this didn't seem bad at all, he was making fun of transracism, which isn't a thing?
Half the special is him taking a rather nuanced approach to trans issues and why (as a POC) he initially felt hesitant to understand their perspective.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/09/21 5:19:07 PM
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Dont you lose the theres nuance argument when you literally say youre on the side of people who dont believe in trans rights?


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ChaosTonyV4
10/09/21 5:37:20 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
As a joke because comedy is meant to offend sensitive idiots? No.

So if something is offensive its automatically funny and correct?

Theres a way to do offensive comedy, this aint it.

Its not even clever, its soooo far below what Chappelle is capable of.

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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 5:39:29 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Dont you lose the theres nuance argument when you literally say youre on the side of people who dont believe in trans rights?
I don't even know what this post means. Did you watch the 80 minute special?
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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 5:41:57 PM
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Also what are trans rights? Genuinely serious because I am pretty sure trans people can do everything "cis" people can do in this country. Unless you consider policing language to be a trans right.
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Johnbobb
10/09/21 5:55:05 PM
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ChainLTTP posted...
Also what are trans rights? Genuinely serious because I am pretty sure trans people can do everything "cis" people can do in this country. Unless you consider policing language to be a trans right.
They literally cannot!

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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 5:56:15 PM
#38:


Johnbobb posted...
They literally cannot!
Like what? Unless you're referring to playing sports, which for obvious reasons is ridiculous.
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UshiromiyaEva
10/09/21 6:01:36 PM
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ChainLTTP posted...
Also what are trans rights? Genuinely serious because I am pretty sure trans people can do everything "cis" people can do in this country. Unless you consider policing language to be a trans right.

Wow.

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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 6:03:06 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Wow.
Care to tell me where trans people are legally discriminated against?
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Johnbobb
10/09/21 6:04:56 PM
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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 6:08:21 PM
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Johnbobb posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/15/politics/anti-transgender-legislation-2021/index.html

https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/anti-transgender-legislation/

https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2020/11/11/350-transgender-people-have-been-murdered-in-2020-transgender-day-of-remembrance-list/

I mean jesus fucking christ dude just talk to any trans person
So laws prohibiting trans women from playing sports against biological women and laws against mutilating a child's sex organs. The horror!

Also murder is already illegal.

Anyway the answer is Sticks and Stones, I doubled checked.
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UshiromiyaEva
10/09/21 6:09:34 PM
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Chain has always just been a troll account, so honestly just ignore.

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Paratroopa1
10/09/21 6:28:49 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Chain has always just been a troll account, so honestly just ignore.
Yeah good call. Byeeeee
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LeonhartFour
10/09/21 6:29:42 PM
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GuessMyUserName
10/09/21 6:29:54 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Chain has always just been a troll account, so honestly just ignore.
isn't it SephyG?

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Paratroopa1
10/09/21 6:30:31 PM
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pjbasis posted...
Is he actually transphobic or did he just say some things that weren't PC enough.
Yeah no a bunch of the stuff he said in the most recent special is grossly transphobic, and then he does this thing where he says he's not going to make LGBTQ jokes anymore while continuing to snipe on the way out while ALSO asking LGBTQ people to not 'punch down' on HIM anymore, which is just childish. It's ridiculous.
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Paratroopa1
10/09/21 6:31:04 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
that's SephG for anyone who isn't already aware
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ChainLTTP
10/09/21 6:40:09 PM
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Still haven't had a good explanation on what rights trans people are denied in the US. But it's ok, I did not really expect to get one :)
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