Poll of the Day > Joe Rogan got Covid and decided to take Ivermectin

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adjl
09/02/21 8:51:10 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
So you think the doctor only gave him one test? Every time I've been to the hospital they drew blood just to check it for anything they weren't immediately looking for.

Have you never gone for a Covid test?

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EvilMegas
09/02/21 8:54:13 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
Ya love to see it.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/02/21 8:54:20 PM
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adjl posted...
Have you never gone for a Covid test?
Unless it prevents the doctor from performing any other type of test I don't see how that's relevant.
For that matter malaria was just one suggestion. Maybe Joe Rogan got worms.

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adjl
09/02/21 8:56:31 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Unless it prevents the doctor from performing any other type of test I don't see how that's relevant.

You're making the answer extremely obvious, but I'm still going to ask you to answer the question.

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Grinderpug
09/02/21 9:03:26 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
So you think the doctor only gave him one test? Every time I've been to the hospital they drew blood just to check it for anything they weren't immediately looking for.
Ive gone to the hospital puking and they didnt take blood. Its a shitty hospital for sure, but the point is that not everyone gets their blood taken every time they go to the hospital.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/02/21 9:04:30 PM
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adjl posted...
You're making the answer extremely obvious, but I'm still going to ask you to answer the question.
I enjoy defying you. As I said before, I'm not going to make this easy by doing what you want. If you can't make your point without getting me to cooperate with whatever you're trying to set up then you're not as smart as you like to think you are.

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Metalsonic66
09/02/21 9:07:41 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
you're not as smart as you like to think you are.
Irony

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EvilMegas
09/02/21 9:12:27 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I enjoy defying you. As I said before, I'm not going to make this easy by doing what you want. If you can't make your point without getting me to cooperate with whatever you're trying to set up then you're not as smart as you like to think you are.
Cringe

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adjl
09/02/21 10:47:04 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I enjoy defying you. As I said before, I'm not going to make this easy by doing what you want. If you can't make your point without getting me to cooperate with whatever you're trying to set up then you're not as smart as you like to think you are.

Well, since you've pretty clearly already admitted that you've never actually had the experience you're so hilariously speculating about in utter ignorance, I suppose it won't hurt to explain the point: Getting a covid test consists of registering, getting a swab shoved up your nose by a nurse (usually, sometimes you'll get doctors volunteering, or even lay volunteers), being handed a tissue, then leaving. There's no opportunity for "other tests." Heck, there are rarely even doctors, given that it's a procedure that requires no actual medical training.

I can say with almost absolute certainty that Joe Rogan did not get a blood test while getting the test that revealed his Covid diagnosis. I can can say with actually absolute certainty that there is no reason whatsoever to presume or even suggest that he might have, given that that would have been scheduled separately and entirely ancillary to his Covid test.

Furthermore, oral Ivermectin is approved by the FDA to be prescribed for two conditions:
  • River Blindness - Infestation by a parasitic worm that lives in the skin and is transmitted via blackfly bites. This disease is found only in tropical regions (read: not in the US).
  • Strongyloidiasis - Infestation by a parasitic worm that lives in the intestines and is transmitted from soil into bare skin. It does actually show up in the US, but is quite rare outside of particularly impoverished populations and agricultural settings.
River Blindness is diagnosed via biopsies of the affected skin, which is not a test that would ever be performed without real cause to suspect the condition. Strongylodiasis is primarily diagnosed via a blood test, but the condition is rare enough that you'd never see that test unless there was cause to suspect the infestation (read: not as part of whatever routine bloodwork you're thinking might have been performed).

In short, it is vanishingly unlikely that Joe Rogan received a diagnosis that would warrant an Ivermectin prescription at the same time as his Covid diagnosis. There is absolutely no reason to take his comments on the matter as meaning anything other than "I'm taking Ivermectin to help with Covid." You are idly speculating on matters you clearly understand very little about, and there's absolutely no excuse for that because I knew none of what I just said before tonight (except remembering that River Blindness was a thing from my parasitology class, but that was many years ago and all I really remember is that blackflies are the vector) and was very easily able to gather the information needed to make informed commentary on the matter. So stahp.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/02/21 11:29:52 PM
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adjl posted...
Getting a covid test consists of registering, getting a swab shoved up your nose by a nurse (usually, sometimes you'll get doctors volunteering, or even lay volunteers), being handed a tissue, then leaving.
Joe Rogan Net Worth
"According to Celebrity net worth, Joe Rogan's net worth is estimated at around $100 Million."
You think he goes to a normal clinic?

adjl posted...
In short, it is vanishingly unlikely that Joe Rogan received a diagnosis that would warrant an Ivermectin prescription at the same time as his Covid diagnosis.
Then what, in your estimation, is the reason he's taking it?

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Mead
09/02/21 11:33:14 PM
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Healthcare via Facebook posts at work

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helIy
09/02/21 11:44:43 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Then what, in your estimation, is the reason he's taking it?
i'm gonna speak for adjl on this one

it's because joe rogan is fuckin stupid

human ivermectin is for acne, does it look like joe rogo has acne

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Smarkil
09/03/21 12:40:30 AM
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Zareth posted...
Yeah but here's the thing, you need a prescription from a doctor to get the human pills, and of course no doctor in their right mind is going to prescribe it for COVID prevention. You know what you don't need a prescription for? The horse variant.

Oh my sweet summer child. You really don't know doctors do you?

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adjl
09/03/21 9:19:30 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Joe Rogan Net Worth
"According to Celebrity net worth, Joe Rogan's net worth is estimated at around $100 Million."
You think he goes to a normal clinic?

Why wouldn't he? Normal tests are free and provide identical service to what you'd get for more money, except possibly having to wait a minute or two longer (which would be completely negated by just choosing whatever's closest). I honestly don't even know of any private ones, though I'm sure the grotesque abomination that is the US health care system has come up with some (though even then, maybe not, because it doesn't strike me as a remotely sustainable business model).

Even if we presume he's going to a private Covid testing clinic, however, there is absolutely no reason to suspect that he would also have had a blood test/skin biopsy done for rare parasitic infestations. There's just no overlap between those services at all, nor would any doctor consider those tests without either clear symptoms or a reason to strongly suspect that was the issue.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Then what, in your estimation, is the reason he's taking it?

Given that he listed it among the treatments he's using for his Covid infection, he's the sort of person that would be expected to buy into the various meme treatments for Covid (whether seriously or for the sake of his audience), and any of the other possible applications of the drug are too rare to consider as plausible explanations without a clear indication that they're the issue, I'm gonna guess he's taking it to treat his Covid infection. Occam's Razor is far from being an infallible philosophy, but when there's a simple, plausible explanation staring you in the face, invoking a bunch of implausible alternatives that rely on extremely unrealistic assumptions and are flagrantly inconsistent with what was actually said doesn't make any sense at all.

Just take the loss, dude. You're very clearly wrong here. Keeping an open mind is good and all, but when you're this ignorant of the subject matter, make sure you do a bit of research first to be able to recognize when what you're saying is completely ridiculous. It doesn't take long, and you'll spend far less time looking terribly silly.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/03/21 5:01:51 PM
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adjl posted...
Why wouldn't he?
Because he can afford it and would want best treatment can get.

adjl posted...
Given that he listed it among the treatments he's using for his Covid infection, he's the sort of person that would be expected to buy into the various meme treatments for Covid (whether seriously or for the sake of his audience), and any of the other possible applications of the drug are too rare to consider as plausible explanations without a clear indication that they're the issue, I'm gonna guess he's taking it to treat his Covid infection.
That doesn't answer my question. It explains why you think he's using it to treat covid. But it doesn't explain why he would use it for that. My suggestion is the more plausible one. That he had 2 diagnosed conditions and he didn't keep straight which treatment was for what. That is a more simple explanation than thinking that he picked a random medication that has nothing to do with his diagnosis and started taking it without any reason for it.

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Zeus
09/03/21 5:08:28 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Guy should go to jail.

...what?

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Metalsonic66
09/03/21 6:37:14 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
My suggestion is the more plausible one
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Mead
09/03/21 6:49:58 PM
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Some serious banana land logic in this topic

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Clench281
09/03/21 6:52:33 PM
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helIy posted...
i'm gonna speak for adjl on this one

it's because joe rogan is fuckin stupid

human ivermectin is for acne, does it look like joe rogo has acne

And rosacea and demodex mites

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adjl
09/03/21 7:14:33 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Because he can afford it and would want best treatment can get.

It's a swab in your nose. There's not exactly a lot of room for improvement, short of painting the stick fun colours.

Of course, if you could find an example of a private Covid testing clinic in his area that would somehow offer a superior experience for a premium, you might be able to make a point. Otherwise you're just making idle speculations about a subject of which you have zero experience and very little understanding, which generally isn't a good idea.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
That doesn't answer my question. It explains why you think he's using it to treat covid.

Your question was "what, in your estimation, is the reason he's taking it?". My answer was "I'm gonna guess he's taking it to treat his Covid infection." That's very clearly an answer to the question, and the fact that it is my own speculation on the matter doesn't change that (because you explicitly asked for my guess).

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
That is a more simple explanation than thinking that he picked a random medication that has nothing to do with his diagnosis and started taking it without any reason for it.

Are you unaware of the fact that Ivermectin is the new Hydroxychloroquine, in that it's a drug that many people (almost exclusively right-wing anti-vaxxers like Mr. Rogan) have latched onto as a miracle treatment for Covid despite the lack of any evidence that it has such capabilities? There's no medical reason to be taking it, certainly, but that's not something that will dissuade these people.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/03/21 9:14:55 PM
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adjl posted...
if you could find an example of a private Covid testing clinic in his area
You're awfully obsessed with the idea that he only got a single test. There's no reason that he didn't get a full check up while he was at it other than insisting they don't do that at the place you go to.

adjl posted...
My answer was "I'm gonna guess he's taking it to treat his Covid infection."
How pedantic of you. That's like answering "What are you looking for?" with "To find something." I understand that's a reason to take a medication. But the specific medication he's taking is what I asked about.

adjl posted...
Are you unaware of the fact that Ivermectin is the new Hydroxychloroquine
Never even heard of it before this topic.

adjl posted...
many people... have latched onto as a miracle treatment for Covid despite the lack of any evidence that it has such capabilities?
Are you sure people actually believe that? Since you already made the comparison it does sound awfully similar to when news outlets reported that hydroxychloroquine and fish tank cleaner were the same thing. It wouldn't surprise me that reporters are conflating two drastically different chemicals again.

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helIy
09/03/21 9:19:13 PM
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lmao

there's no way you haven't heard of ivermectin

i'd bet money that you've either considered taking it yourself, or have tried taking it yourself.

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Gaawa_chan
09/03/21 11:30:17 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Are you sure people actually believe that? Since you already made the comparison it does sound awfully similar to when news outlets reported that hydroxychloroquine and fish tank cleaner were the same thing. It wouldn't surprise me that reporters are conflating two drastically different chemicals again.
The same people are pushing for both drugs, actually. For example, someone recently replied to me with this genius take on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/JenniferRFultz1/status/1433973550092849154

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Mead
09/03/21 11:34:29 PM
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Ivermectin?

I put that shit on everything

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Zareth
09/03/21 11:36:28 PM
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Wow I hope she's got a new job lined up

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/03/21 11:54:10 PM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
someone recently replied to me with this genius take on Twitter:
Please ask that person how an anti-parasitic works against a virus. I'm curous what their reasoning is.

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Gaawa_chan
09/04/21 12:13:13 AM
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I'm getting grilled by the anti-vaxxers in that thread, btw. I didn't expect to be shit on so hard for posting about my work situation, but I should have.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Please ask that person how an anti-parasitic works against a virus. I'm curous what their reasoning is.
Believe me, I'd love to know it, too, but they never answer direct questions about such things. They just assert that because people called for studies to be done on these drugs with respect to COVID-19 (they were, and the studies showed that both drugs are ineffectual when trying to treat the virus in the human body), that said calls for studies were proof enough that the drugs work... needless to say, they do not have the same standards for the vaccines.

The same people tend to be conspiracy theorists about big pharma, and I find it darkly hilarious because the vaccines are free, but the pseudo-scientific alternatives they support are not.

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/04/21 12:51:42 AM
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Gaawa_chan posted...
They just assert that because people called for studies to be done on these drugs with respect to COVID-19..., that said calls for studies were proof enough that the drugs work
I tend toward thinking that if someone tries something then they must have had a reason why it would work. But I also realize there are follow up questions like: What was that reason why it would work? And did it?

I googled my previous post "how does an anti-parasitic works against a virus".
It lead me to this.
https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2020-articles/Lab-experiments-show-anti-parasitic-drug,
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-Ivermectin,-eliminates-SARS-CoV-2-in-cells-in-48-hours

What I gather from that is they were testing Ivermectin against a range of viruses such as SARS, HIV, and Zika. Somehow the Ivermectin removed the viral RNA in petri dishes. But realizing there are follow up questions, it appears they don't have an explanation for how it did that. Nor do they know if it would work the same inside a person.

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Gaawa_chan
09/04/21 1:04:50 AM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
But realizing there are follow up questions, it appears they don't have an explanation for how it did that. Nor do they know if it would work the same inside a person.
You've hit the nail on the head there. The analogy I use is that you can wash your hands with soap and water and use alcohol sanitizers to stop the spread of disease, but eating soap and chugging sanitizer is not going to save you if you get infected.

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FatalAccident
09/04/21 1:21:45 AM
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I dont get how u people are so hung up on whether this drug is safe or not and whether its harmless to humans

The point is it does fuck all against covid how stupid are all of you and Joe rogan lmao

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FatalAccident
09/04/21 4:09:05 AM
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Zangulus posted...
That's why people are clogging emergency rooms with overdoses and people with gunshot wounds have to wait to be seen?

Oh, wait...

Because its' not fucking safe.

Let's extrapolate further: Even under your completely incorrect assement, that it's completely safe, it still isn't: It's completely worthless. It does not help what so ever with CoViD. What it does, is make people BELIEVE that they don't need a vaccine, which has patently proven to be unsafe...

So yeah, you're completely, utterly, masterfully wrong.

idk y youre so triggered but I never said it was safe lmao

its pretty stupid that ppl get hung up on the relative safety of the drug

as opposed to the fact that it does nothing to fight covid

but um yeah keep misreading my posts I guess

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FatalAccident
09/04/21 4:31:52 AM
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Zangulus posted...
Your contention is that you didnt say it was safe while saying its harmless to humans, and you couple of with strawman arguments. But ok.
when did i say its harmless to humans lol

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deoxxys
09/04/21 4:36:51 AM
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Damn I thought that guy was pretty cool.

Guess I have less respect for him now.


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FatalAccident
09/04/21 12:20:42 PM
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hard to backtrack on something I never claimed in the first place lmao

keep believing I think the shit is harmless I guess if you want?

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adjl
09/04/21 3:05:23 PM
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
You're awfully obsessed with the idea that he only got a single test. There's no reason that he didn't get a full check up while he was at it other than insisting they don't do that at the place you go to.

There's no reason to suspect that he did. I'm asking for you to provide such a reason, instead of just insisting that I must be wrong because otherwise the way you've assumed the world is unfolding doesn't make sense (which it doesn't, but that's not because I'm wrong).

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
How pedantic of you. That's like answering "What are you looking for?" with "To find something." I understand that's a reason to take a medication. But the specific medication he's taking is what I asked about.

Based on the information available to me, I believe that Joe Rogan is taking Ivermectin because he believes it will help with his Covid infection.

Better?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Never even heard of it before this topic.

Once again, I urge you to try to inform yourself before acting like everyone else is wrong. You're ignorant of virtually every piece of common knowledge that is vital to participate meaningfully in this discussion. If you don't know what other people are talking about, you shouldn't assume that's because they're all dumb.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Are you sure people actually believe that?

Yes. Absolutely and without any question, simply because I have paid attention. You should try doing the same.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
Since you already made the comparison it does sound awfully similar to when news outlets reported that hydroxychloroquine and fish tank cleaner were the same thing.

News outlets did not report that hydroxychloroquine and fish tank cleaner were the same thing. News outlets reported on a handful of instances (I can only think of one, but I know better than to believe that human stupidity is so limited as to allow it to only happen once) of people drinking fish tank cleaner because they thought it contained hydroxychloroquine (it actually contained chloroquine phosphate). Completely different things.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...
I tend toward thinking that if someone tries something then they must have had a reason why it would work.

Generally, the answer to that is "because they're scared and desperate and they haven't seen (or, more saliently, understood) any proof that it doesn't work." Toss in a healthy dose of automatically distrusting whatever the government says and the government saying that they don't work (which, in their minds, means they do work and Big Pharma is trying to cover up a cheaper, safer alternative to their "cash cow vaccines"), and you've got a recipe for people drinking aquarium cleaner because they saw somebody on facebook say it (or something that sounds kind of like it) might work.

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Lokarin
09/04/21 3:31:25 PM
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Mercury kills all diseases in vitro...

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Bulbasaur
09/04/21 4:03:56 PM
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Zangulus posted...
That's why people are clogging emergency rooms with overdoses and people with gunshot wounds have to wait to be seen?

Oh, wait...

Because its' not fucking safe.

Let's extrapolate further: Even under your completely incorrect assement, that it's completely safe, it still isn't: It's completely worthless. It does not help what so ever with CoViD. What it does, is make people BELIEVE that they don't need a vaccine, which has patently proven to be unsafe...

So yeah, you're completely, utterly, masterfully wrong.
he uh

he never even implied, let alone said, any of that lmao

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/05/21 1:37:42 PM
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adjl posted...
I'm asking for you to provide such a reason
I did.
Joe Rogan Net Worth
"According to Celebrity net worth, Joe Rogan's net worth is estimated at around $100 Million."

adjl posted...
I urge you to try to inform yourself before acting like everyone else is wrong.
but also...
adjl posted...
I knew none of what I just said before tonight... and was very easily able to gather the information
It seems I'm just as informed as you are and using the same methods to gather information.

adjl posted...
News outlets did not report that hydroxychloroquine and fish tank cleaner were the same thing.
I saw it on television myself. News anchors made no distinction between that and the medication. They reported people ingested fish tank cleaner under Trump's advice.

adjl posted...
Completely different things.
I know that and you know that. However there was an effort at the time to discredit Trump by getting people to think he meant the fish tank cleaner.

adjl posted...
I believe that Joe Rogan is taking Ivermectin because he believes it will help with his Covid infection.
You managed to make your answer more concise while still ignore what I had asked you. It doesn't explain why he would use it for that. I believed I answered that myself when I found the study I mentioned while discussing it with Gaawa_chan. I had assumed since they have nothing in common there must be another reason for taking it. And as helIy suggested it appears you assumed that since they have nothing in common Joe Rogan must be stupid. Apparently it's not so unreasonable to think that an anti-parasitic has any effect on a virus.

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helIy
09/05/21 1:54:52 PM
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joe rogan is indisputably stupid, not even for the whole "taking horse dewormer because some random guy on facebook said it somehow magically helps fight off a viral infection even though it's for parasites and, if ingested, turns out to actually makes your dick smaller while also not doing a single damn thing to a viral infection" part

but he is also more stupid for that part, yes.

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09/05/21 1:58:50 PM
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Metalsonic66
09/05/21 2:02:41 PM
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The one in the middle is Nightmare fuel

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TheSlinja
09/05/21 2:19:24 PM
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the only people dumber than rogan are the hordes of morons who constabtly cape for him

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helIy
09/05/21 2:35:51 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
The one in the middle is Nightmare fuel


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Smarkil
09/05/21 2:36:43 PM
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I googled it out of curiosity into how Ivermectin became a thing for Covid and while it doesn't appear that the mechanism is fully understood, according to the studies that were performed with it; it did seem to improve the condition.

According to this meta-analysis of 63 different studies, there's a statistical improvement in patients that take Ivermectin as a prophylactic measure or during the early stage of the virus. 24 of 27 studies show an 88.9% improvement in early treatment. 20 in 22 show a 90.9% improvement. 14 out of 14 show a 100% improvement. All together, it's 58 studies out of 63 showing a 92.1% reporting of positive effects.

https://ivmmeta.com

At least 44 of those 63 trials were peer reviewed. Even selecting just the peer reviewed trials it shows 70% improvement overall.

I'm not saying this is a justification for taking Ivermectin. I'm not a doctor. But the rhetoric is there's no evidence to support it does anything to affect covid. Which, I guess if you don't understand the mechanism for it then the statement holds up. I also understand that even peer reviewed studies can be flawed, but there are apparently 44 of them. Those studies to me seem like there's at least some evidence that Ivermectin helps (the human kind, not the horse kind).

Of course, whether or not it's a thing doesn't mean you should not get a vaccine or otherwise. So what are the issues with these peer reviewed studies I'm missing? I tried finding a concise explanation for the flaws only to find one of the major studies having plagiarism concerns and being retracted. What about the other 62 or the 43?

It seems again to me that we're back down the path of hyperbole and this is the covid news media equivalent of "THIS NEW DRUG WILL CURE CANCER" when it ended up killing a couple of cancer cells in a lab trial. Obviously nobody shouldn't be eating horse goo, but if Joe Rogan's doc prescribed him some ivermectin and it doesn't have any negative impact on his health, why are we upset?

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helIy
09/05/21 2:43:27 PM
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guarantee his doctor did not prescribe ivermectin

no doctors are

the ama actually forbids doctors from doing it to treat covid.

pharmacies are denying prescriptions for it, even

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SKARDAVNELNATE
09/08/21 6:51:32 PM
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helIy posted...
guarantee his doctor did not prescribe ivermectin
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-rogan-recovery
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Speaking on the latest episode of The Joe Rogan Experience on Tuesday, Rogan argued that he was told by doctors to take ivermectin to treat the virus and expressed anger at news outlets for reporting on him taking it, particularly CNN.

"Do I have to sue CNN?" Rogan asked guest Tom Segura on the three-hour-long episode.

"They're making s*** up. They keep saying I'm taking horse dewormer. I literally got it from a doctor.

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Lokarin
09/08/21 6:53:21 PM
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helIy posted...
no doctors are

Well, if he had Covid and also SCABIES then the doc would :v

Joe Rogan has scabies, lulz

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