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Sequiro 08/27/21 12:40:26 PM #1:	Yep thats right, if you refuse to get vaccinated and you get extremely ill because of covid, you should be denied ER/hospital care. I keep seeing on the news all these areas that their hospitals are getting overwhelmed so badly there are no more beds or enough staff to man beds and they are having to turn other people away that have other emergencies/problems because there is no room, because all these morons attend motorcycle conventions without vaccines or masks and then get covid. Thats just crap. Some elderly person has a heart attack and can't get treatment or delayed treatment that could cost them their lives because of some dumb anti-vaxxer gets sick. No, let the anti-vaxxer deal with it themselves they can go shoot up animal dewormer or pray to their Trump god and let the heart attack victim get the bed. --- My Gaming PC - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xCxDK3, Pic - https://imgur.com/a/3fWOAhp <cite>Sequiro posted [p:957489537] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Yep thats right, if you refuse to get vaccinated and you get extremely ill because of covid, you should be denied ER/hospital care. I keep seeing on the news all these areas that their hospitals are getting overwhelmed so badly there are no more beds or enough staff to man beds and they are having to turn other people away that have other emergencies/problems because there is no room, because all these morons attend motorcycle conventions without vaccines or masks and then get covid. Thats just crap. Some elderly person has a heart attack and can't get treatment or delayed treatment that could cost them their lives because of some dumb anti-vaxxer gets sick. No, let the anti-vaxxer deal with it themselves they can go shoot up animal dewormer or pray to their Trump god and let the heart attack victim get the bed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/27/21 12:42:30 PM #2:	Refuse, no. Triaged with lower priority, maybe. --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957489598] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Refuse, no. Triaged with lower priority, maybe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notschmendrake 08/27/21 12:43:13 PM #3:	that wouldn't be very socialized medicine of us <cite>Notschmendrake posted [p:957489617] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>that wouldn't be very socialized medicine of us </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Krazy_Kirby 08/27/21 12:57:22 PM #5:	whose alt? --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:957490064] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>whose alt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Soup_or_Science 08/27/21 12:59:28 PM #6:	Krazy_Kirby posted... whose alt? Kirby's dick --- For more information, please press 1. Para Espanol, por favor presione dos <cite>Soup_or_Science posted [p:957490127] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>whose alt?</quote>Kirby's dick </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fierce_Deity_08 08/27/21 1:46:09 PM #7:	Soup_or_Science posted... Kirby's dick Must be a big one since Ive seen it mentioned in two topics now. --- Official Fierce Deity in my own mind. GT: OnikaraStar, PSN: Onikara, NNID: OnikaraStar <cite>Fierce_Deity_08 posted [p:957491558] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Soup_or_Science posted... </cite> <quote>Kirby's dick</quote>Must be a big one since Ive seen it mentioned in two topics now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/21 2:23:02 PM #8:	Clench281 posted... Refuse, no. Triaged with lower priority, maybe. I could get behind this. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] As much as that's a terrible reflection of what anti-vaxx idiots are doing to the people around them, I can't help but feel like part of the problem there was negligence on the part of the medivac team. There's no reason they couldn't have determined whether or not there were ICU beds available while they were en route to that hospital, and detoured to a different hospital that wasn't at capacity. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957492727] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>Refuse, no. Triaged with lower priority, maybe.</quote> I could get behind this. <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> As much as that's a terrible reflection of what anti-vaxx idiots are doing to the people around them, I can't help but feel like part of the problem there was negligence on the part of the medivac team. There's no reason they couldn't have determined whether or not there were ICU beds available while they were en route to that hospital, and detoured to a different hospital that wasn't at capacity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/27/21 2:26:46 PM #9:	I dont agree, but it might come to this unfortunately --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957492829] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>I dont agree, but it might come to this unfortunately </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/21 2:30:38 PM #10:	Mead posted... I dont agree, but it might come to this unfortunately The really annoying part is that, if it does, that'll likely just galvanize the anti-vaxxers that are raging against governmental overreach, rather than encouraging them to get the shot. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957492927] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>I dont agree, but it might come to this unfortunately</quote> The really annoying part is that, if it does, that'll likely just galvanize the anti-vaxxers that are raging against governmental overreach, rather than encouraging them to get the shot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 08/27/21 3:14:10 PM #11:	Fierce_Deity_08 posted... Must be a big one since Ive seen it mentioned in two topics now. his alt is obsessed with me --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:957494257] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Fierce_Deity_08 posted...</cite> <quote> Must be a big one since Ive seen it mentioned in two topics now. </quote> his alt is obsessed with me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/27/21 3:19:37 PM #12:	Krazy_Kirby posted... his alt is obsessed with me Are you sure he isnt correcting you to help you out? Lots of users have to do it for you. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:957494431] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>his alt is obsessed with me</quote>Are you sure he isnt correcting you to help you out? Lots of users have to do it for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IqarP15 08/27/21 3:28:46 PM #13:	It would go against the hippocratic oath they supposedly all make to help anyone and everyone in need. I know some wouldn't care either way. --- "SPOILERS"... If ppl call me a douche bag I reply "Well at least I'm scoring!" <cite>IqarP15 posted [p:957494706] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>It would go against the hippocratic oath they supposedly all make to help anyone and everyone in need. I know some wouldn't care either way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veermok09 08/27/21 3:41:39 PM #14:	Notschmendrake posted... that wouldn't be very socialized medicine of us We don't have socialized medicine. That's the point - that your political priorities are causing problems on the front end and the back end of our medical system. And so we find ourselves in a system that is breaking down. Systems theory tells us that as a system reaches zero slack time the time to service approaches infinity. Private health care by its very definition measures success by reducing slack. Now it's all broken and you're going to cast aspersions on a system that doesn't even exist. It's like when Texas froze over and they're all blaming the Green New Deal - a two-page document which serves only as a declaration. Pathetic. <cite>Veermok09 posted [p:957495115] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Notschmendrake posted... </cite> <quote>that wouldn't be very socialized medicine of us</quote> We don't have socialized medicine. That's the point - that your political priorities are causing problems on the front end and the back end of our medical system. And so we find ourselves in a system that is breaking down. Systems theory tells us that as a system reaches zero slack time the time to service approaches infinity. Private health care by its very definition measures success by reducing slack. Now it's all broken and you're going to cast aspersions on a system that doesn't even exist. It's like when Texas froze over and they're all blaming the Green New Deal - a two-page document which serves only as a declaration. Pathetic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/27/21 3:49:31 PM #15:	I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:957495343] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartianManchild 08/27/21 3:53:50 PM #16:	Unbridled9 posted... I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that. I made a whole topic about how vaccinated individuals are contributing to the vaccine hesitancy of others. It got a lot of posts but I dont think any of them even were humble enough to admit how their actions and behaviors were affecting this whole situation. <cite>MartianManchild posted [p:957495483] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that.</quote>I made a whole topic about how vaccinated individuals are contributing to the vaccine hesitancy of others. It got a lot of posts but I dont think any of them even were humble enough to admit how their actions and behaviors were affecting this whole situation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/27/21 4:20:07 PM #17:	Unbridled9 posted... I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that. So is your schtick to always take the wrong stance on everything, or --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957496266] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that.</quote> So is your schtick to always take the wrong stance on everything, or </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 08/27/21 4:21:07 PM #18:	MartianManchild posted... I made a whole topic about how vaccinated individuals are contributing to the vaccine hesitancy of others. It got a lot of posts but I dont think any of them even were humble enough to admit how their actions and behaviors were affecting this whole situation. They should use reverse psychology and tell conservatives they aren't allowed to get the vaccine. --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:957496291] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>MartianManchild posted... </cite> <quote>I made a whole topic about how vaccinated individuals are contributing to the vaccine hesitancy of others. It got a lot of posts but I dont think any of them even were humble enough to admit how their actions and behaviors were affecting this whole situation.</quote>They should use reverse psychology and tell conservatives they aren't allowed to get the vaccine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 08/27/21 4:21:59 PM #19:	they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face. if you base treatment on people who make choices you don't agree with then lots of others shouldn't get treatment --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:957496316] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face. if you base treatment on people who make choices you don't agree with then lots of others shouldn't get treatment</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 08/27/21 4:23:09 PM #20:	Unbridled9 posted... I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that. that's a good thing actually. i think you shouldn't be able to do things the same way as the rest of us if you're refusing the vaccine when you can get it. it's ultimately your choice, but nobody should have to cater to you for it --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:957496354] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder if TC realizes that this sort of attitude is exactly why some people are refusing to get the vaccine? Because they're seeing people effectively form medical caste systems and saying you're less of a person if you don't get it and are refusing to abide by that.</quote> that's a good thing actually. i think you shouldn't be able to do things the same way as the rest of us if you're refusing the vaccine when you can get it. it's ultimately your choice, but nobody should have to cater to you for it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wolfy42 08/27/21 6:00:36 PM #22:	My wife died because all hospital beds at our local hospital were full in 2017 due to the flue (they even had a satalite center they set up, which was also full). It took a week before they transfered her to Oregon (portland) good samaritain hospital, and in that time she developed an infection in her heart that eventually killed her. So it's not just covid, we flat out need more freaking hospitals and have for awhile. Covid is just showing how bad that need is. As far as not treating people who don't get the vaccine, i would prioritize others first, and leave x amount of beds free for people in emergency situations who were vacinated (use them, but if someone needs it the person using the bed is bumped). The hospital can still try and keep them alive/help them, and have a satalite center like Saint Peters did, but if that fills up and you were not vaccinated, it's on you, and not on the person who was vaccinated that needs that bed. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Friends don't make their friends die Hanz. Psychopathic friends do. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:957499322] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>My wife died because all hospital beds at our local hospital were full in 2017 due to the flue (they even had a satalite center they set up, which was also full). It took a week before they transfered her to Oregon (portland) good samaritain hospital, and in that time she developed an infection in her heart that eventually killed her. So it's not just covid, we flat out need more freaking hospitals and have for awhile. Covid is just showing how bad that need is. As far as not treating people who don't get the vaccine, i would prioritize others first, and leave x amount of beds free for people in emergency situations who were vacinated (use them, but if someone needs it the person using the bed is bumped). The hospital can still try and keep them alive/help them, and have a satalite center like Saint Peters did, but if that fills up and you were not vaccinated, it's on you, and not on the person who was vaccinated that needs that bed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 08/27/21 6:30:33 PM #23:	--- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:957500096] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/27/21 6:32:01 PM #24:	Clench281 posted... So is your schtick to always take the wrong stance on everything, or I didn't take a stance though. My 'stance' is that you should get vaccinated; but these insane fanatics who are basically demanding that people don't have a choice and treating people who don't get vaccinated like a lesser caste of human are both insane and wrong. Plus the government has been acting like right tyrannical dictators across the world regarding this and I don't think that even half the things places like NYC are doing are even remotely acceptable. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:957500134] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Clench281 posted... </cite> <quote>So is your schtick to always take the wrong stance on everything, or</quote> I didn't take a stance though. My 'stance' is that you should get vaccinated; but these insane fanatics who are basically demanding that people don't have a choice and treating people who don't get vaccinated like a lesser caste of human are both insane and wrong. Plus the government has been acting like right tyrannical dictators across the world regarding this and I don't think that even half the things places like NYC are doing are even remotely acceptable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/21 6:34:06 PM #25:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face. How often do any of those poor choices result in other people dying because there are no ICU beds available for them thanks to all the people that made poor choices? Specifically, because those people all made one particular poor choice that's very, very easy to not make. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957500191] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face.</quote> How often do any of those poor choices result in other people dying because there are no ICU beds available for them thanks to all the people that made poor choices? Specifically, because those people all made one particular poor choice that's very, very easy to not make. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 08/27/21 6:39:34 PM #26:	wolfy42 posted... My wife died because all hospital beds at our local hospital were full in 2017 due to the flue (they even had a satalite center they set up, which was also full). It took a week before they transfered her to Oregon (portland) good samaritain hospital, and in that time she developed an infection in her heart that eventually killed her. So it's not just covid, we flat out need more freaking hospitals and have for awhile. Hospitals are encouraged to turn a higher profit by utilizing sub-optimal ratios of staff to beds to patients even in times when there isn't a plague making rounds. This is also an issue in institutions like nursing homes, assisted living facilities, etc, where the staff gets their hours cut if the facility isn't near the maximum capacity of residents (this all interferes with quality of care, btw), which can cause the staff to lose their benefits. If people want more functional health care facilities, systems need to remove the incentive to cut corners in terms of capacity and staffing and make medical education more affordable. I'm sorry for your loss. Krazy_Kirby posted... they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face. We're up to 35 positive cases at my workplace due to one anti-vax/anti-mask person and we had another death. Obesity isn't contagious. Anti-vax/Anti-mask people are choosing to behave in a way that endangers every other person they come in contact with. Your comparison is rather weak. It's more comparable to... if we had a sudden barrage of drunk driving accidents all over the country. There's not capacity for all the people injured in the crashes, so do you triage based purely on need or do you factor into account whether or not the injured person was one of the drunk assholes who caused the injuries in the first place? For the record, medical ethics says need, though insurance companies don't always agree. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:957500344] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>My wife died because all hospital beds at our local hospital were full in 2017 due to the flue (they even had a satalite center they set up, which was also full). It took a week before they transfered her to Oregon (portland) good samaritain hospital, and in that time she developed an infection in her heart that eventually killed her. So it's not just covid, we flat out need more freaking hospitals and have for awhile.</quote>Hospitals are encouraged to turn a higher profit by utilizing sub-optimal ratios of staff to beds to patients even in times when there isn't a plague making rounds. This is also an issue in institutions like nursing homes, assisted living facilities, etc, where the staff gets their hours cut if the facility isn't near the maximum capacity of residents (this all interferes with quality of care, btw), which can cause the staff to lose their benefits. If people want more functional health care facilities, systems need to remove the incentive to cut corners in terms of capacity and staffing and make medical education more affordable. I'm sorry for your loss. Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face.</quote>We're up to 35 positive cases at my workplace due to one anti-vax/anti-mask person and we had another death. Obesity isn't contagious. Anti-vax/Anti-mask people are choosing to behave in a way that endangers every other person they come in contact with. Your comparison is rather weak. It's more comparable to... if we had a sudden barrage of drunk driving accidents all over the country. There's not capacity for all the people injured in the crashes, so do you triage based purely on need or do you factor into account whether or not the injured person was one of the drunk assholes who caused the injuries in the first place? For the record, medical ethics says need, though insurance companies don't always agree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Clench281 08/27/21 6:52:25 PM #28:	Thanks for confirming, but a simple 'yes' would have done --- Take me for what I am -- who I was meant to be. And if you give a damn, take me baby, or leave me. <cite>Clench281 posted [p:957500701] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Thanks for confirming, but a simple 'yes' would have done </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BEERandWEED 08/28/21 1:35:39 AM #29:	The premise of this topic is evil. TC and all who agree with TC should be ashamed of themselves. SHAME ON YOU! <cite>BEERandWEED posted [p:957511097] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>The premise of this topic is evil. TC and all who agree with TC should be ashamed of themselves. SHAME ON YOU! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/21 1:41:30 AM #30:	Unbridled9 posted... Plus the government has been acting like right tyrannical dictators across the world regarding this and I don't think that even half the things places like NYC are doing are even remotely acceptable. well, youre wrong, as usual --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957511209] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted... </cite> <quote>Plus the government has been acting like right tyrannical dictators across the world regarding this and I don't think that even half the things places like NYC are doing are even remotely acceptable.</quote> well, youre wrong, as usual </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 08/28/21 1:47:49 AM #31:	The vaccine crowd has it right but really they should be doing more to limit the strain on the hospital system. Like we already have the vaccine so we shouldn't really need it for covid. Its time to step up and not step off of any particularly high curbs. Or have mom cut your spaghetti so you're less likely to choke. Have mom stop dressing you so your less likely to get beat up. <cite>dedbus posted [p:957511332] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>The vaccine crowd has it right but really they should be doing more to limit the strain on the hospital system. Like we already have the vaccine so we shouldn't really need it for covid. Its time to step up and not step off of any particularly high curbs. Or have mom cut your spaghetti so you're less likely to choke. Have mom stop dressing you so your less likely to get beat up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/21 1:50:04 AM #32:	dedbus posted... The vaccine crowd has it right but really they should be doing more to limit the strain on the hospital system. Like we already have the vaccine so we shouldn't really need it for covid. Its time to step up and not step off of any particularly high curbs. Or have mom cut your spaghetti so you're less likely to choke. Have mom stop dressing you so your less likely to get beat up. what the fuck are you even babbling about --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957511380] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>dedbus posted... </cite> <quote>The vaccine crowd has it right but really they should be doing more to limit the strain on the hospital system. Like we already have the vaccine so we shouldn't really need it for covid. Its time to step up and not step off of any particularly high curbs. Or have mom cut your spaghetti so you're less likely to choke. Have mom stop dressing you so your less likely to get beat up.</quote> what the fuck are you even babbling about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DANTE20XX 08/28/21 2:04:39 AM #33:	Gaawa_chan posted... Anti-vax/Anti-mask people are choosing to behave in a way that endangers every other person they come in contact with. Because vaccinated people can't contract it nor spread it, yes. --- Solid's snake still shoots liquid, it's just that it's null. <cite>DANTE20XX posted [p:957511607] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted... </cite> <quote>Anti-vax/Anti-mask people are choosing to behave in a way that endangers every other person they come in contact with.</quote>Because vaccinated people can't contract it nor spread it, yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/28/21 2:30:56 AM #34:	dedbus posted... The vaccine crowd has it right but really they should be doing more to limit the strain on the hospital system. Like we already have the vaccine so we shouldn't really need it for covid. Its time to step up and not step off of any particularly high curbs. Or have mom cut your spaghetti so you're less likely to choke. Have mom stop dressing you so your less likely to get beat up I love drugs as well. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:957511960] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>dedbus posted... </cite> <quote>The vaccine crowd has it right but really they should be doing more to limit the strain on the hospital system. Like we already have the vaccine so we shouldn't really need it for covid. Its time to step up and not step off of any particularly high curbs. Or have mom cut your spaghetti so you're less likely to choke. Have mom stop dressing you so your less likely to get beat up</quote>I love drugs as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/21 2:37:44 AM #35:	DANTE20XX posted... Because vaccinated people can't contract it nor spread it, yes. they can, its just far less likely --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957512061] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>DANTE20XX posted... </cite> <quote>Because vaccinated people can't contract it nor spread it, yes.</quote> they can, its just far less likely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 08/28/21 3:55:12 AM #36:	DANTE20XX posted... Because vaccinated people can't contract it nor spread it, yes. unvaccinated people should be much more worried about vaccinated people spreading it to them thankfully getting vaccinated is a safe and effective way to remove that worry --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:957512864] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>DANTE20XX posted... </cite> <quote>Because vaccinated people can't contract it nor spread it, yes.</quote> unvaccinated people should be much more worried about vaccinated people spreading it to them thankfully getting vaccinated is a safe and effective way to remove that worry </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 08/28/21 7:24:47 AM #37:	That should be the same with smokers with lung cancer and obese people who suffer heart attacks. --- Larry Elder for California. Make Cali Great Again. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:957514785] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>That should be the same with smokers with lung cancer and obese people who suffer heart attacks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcturusisnow 08/28/21 7:37:56 AM #38:	MartianManchild posted... I made a whole topic about how vaccinated individuals are contributing to the vaccine hesitancy of others. It got a lot of posts but I dont think any of them even were humble enough to admit how their actions and behaviors were affecting this whole situation. I never saw this topic. Explain to me how my actions (as a person who has been vaccinated) are hurting the unvaccinated and how their actions are not hurting me. OH SHIT, you can't. The unvaccinated are dipshits that deserve whatever harm comes to them. Fucking karma, bitches. <cite>Arcturusisnow posted [p:957514922] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>MartianManchild posted... </cite> <quote>I made a whole topic about how vaccinated individuals are contributing to the vaccine hesitancy of others. It got a lot of posts but I dont think any of them even were humble enough to admit how their actions and behaviors were affecting this whole situation.</quote>I never saw this topic. Explain to me how my actions (as a person who has been vaccinated) are hurting the unvaccinated and how their actions are not hurting me. OH SHIT, you can't. The unvaccinated are dipshits that deserve whatever harm comes to them. Fucking karma, bitches. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/28/21 1:16:39 PM #39:	Dark_SilverX posted... That should be the same with smokers with lung cancer and obese people who suffer heart attacks. adjl posted... How often do any of those poor choices result in other people dying because there are no ICU beds available for them thanks to all the people that made poor choices? Specifically, because those people all made one particular poor choice that's very, very easy to not make. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957521186] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Dark_SilverX posted... </cite> <quote>That should be the same with smokers with lung cancer and obese people who suffer heart attacks.</quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>How often do any of those poor choices result in other people dying because there are no ICU beds available for them thanks to all the people that made poor choices? Specifically, because those people all made one particular poor choice that's very, very easy to not make.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sequiro 08/30/21 1:10:04 AM #40:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face. if you base treatment on people who make choices you don't agree with then lots of others shouldn't get treatment For many of those issues though, there is an underlying issue, often things like depression cause people to drink, drugs or eat. In the case of smoking, drinking and drugs actual dependency forms and addiction starts. In the case of eating, eating is a tricky one since one has to eat and if you have a food disorder it is nearly as hard to break as a drug dependent addiction. Not getting a vaccine is none of those, its sheer stupidity. So there is a key difference. Furthermore none of those are over filling our hospitals since most of those are slow killers. Slowly degrading the body over years. They are not close to the same thing, Covid is a quicker killer and someone getting covid is also a danger to others, someone having diabetes and obesity does not. So please stop trying to compare a Covid/Vaccine situation to other health issues in the country, this is a different situation entirely. --- My Gaming PC - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xCxDK3, Pic - https://imgur.com/a/3fWOAhp <cite>Sequiro posted [p:957567222] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>they treat people who smoke/drink/do other drugs... they treat obese people who can't stop stuffing their face. if you base treatment on people who make choices you don't agree with then lots of others shouldn't get treatment</quote> For many of those issues though, there is an underlying issue, often things like depression cause people to drink, drugs or eat. In the case of smoking, drinking and drugs actual dependency forms and addiction starts. In the case of eating, eating is a tricky one since one has to eat and if you have a food disorder it is nearly as hard to break as a drug dependent addiction. Not getting a vaccine is none of those, its sheer stupidity. So there is a key difference. Furthermore none of those are over filling our hospitals since most of those are slow killers. Slowly degrading the body over years. They are not close to the same thing, Covid is a quicker killer and someone getting covid is also a danger to others, someone having diabetes and obesity does not. So please stop trying to compare a Covid/Vaccine situation to other health issues in the country, this is a different situation entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Playsaver 08/30/21 1:54:54 AM #41:	One of the things a person that doesn't get the vaccine is going to find is that their cost of getting covid and ending up in the hospital is going to be much higher then if they had gotten the vaccine. Insurance companies have decided to make those people pay much more. --- MB Asus Prime Z590-p, i7-11700k, RTX 3070, 32GB, 1TB NVMe M.2, 4TB WD Black Drive <cite>Playsaver posted [p:957567876] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>One of the things a person that doesn't get the vaccine is going to find is that their cost of getting covid and ending up in the hospital is going to be much higher then if they had gotten the vaccine. Insurance companies have decided to make those people pay much more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_KeronMahabir 08/30/21 1:41:34 PM #42:	<cite>_KeronMahabir posted [p:957579235] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonewolf80 08/31/21 11:48:58 PM #43:	Damn right. --- ROG Zephyrus 2, AMD Ryzen 9 4800HS 8 Core, 16 Threads @4.4 Ghz, nVidia GeForce 2060 Max Q GDDR6 8GB, 32GB DDR4, 1TB Intel nvme m.2+2TB Micron nvme m.2 <cite>Lonewolf80 posted [p:957627288] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Damn right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 09/01/21 9:46:31 AM #44:	Lonewolf80 posted... Damn right. talking about shaft? --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:957635041] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Lonewolf80 posted...</cite> <quote>Damn right. </quote> talking about shaft?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonewolf80 09/01/21 8:54:43 PM #45:	Krazy_Kirby posted... talking about shaft? No, if you refuse the vaccination you get refused ER care if you get COVID. Good idea. --- ROG Zephyrus 2, AMD Ryzen 9 4800HS 8 Core, 16 Threads @4.4 Ghz, nVidia GeForce 2060 Max Q GDDR6 8GB, 32GB DDR4, 1TB Intel nvme m.2+2TB Micron nvme m.2 <cite>Lonewolf80 posted [p:957653875] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>talking about shaft?</quote> No, if you refuse the vaccination you get refused ER care if you get COVID. Good idea. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gaawa_chan 09/01/21 11:25:12 PM #46:	https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-idaho-has-400-icu-beds-20210831-6kwupgubtfhu5pstulbuecqgvu-story.html Goddamn. --- Hi <cite>Gaawa_chan posted [p:957657980] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-idaho-has-400-icu-beds-20210831-6kwupgubtfhu5pstulbuecqgvu-story.html Goddamn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/01/21 11:28:30 PM #47:	What is about to happen to a lot of unvaccinated people in this country is very sad. I wish things were different and they had just stopped and thought things through more clearly. Its tragic but theyve put themselves in this position. --- my resting temp can easily be in the 90's -Krazy_Kirby <cite>Mead posted [p:957658066] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>What is about to happen to a lot of unvaccinated people in this country is very sad. I wish things were different and they had just stopped and thought things through more clearly. Its tragic but theyve put themselves in this position. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 09/02/21 8:31:35 AM #48:	--- Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, Minutus carborata descendum pantorum. <cite>captpackrat posted [p:957665391] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/02/21 8:54:50 AM #49:	I don't think outright denying unvaccinated people care is reasonable, but I do think there's a need to cap the percentage of ICU's that are available for voluntarily unvaccinated Covid patients. Treat as many as possible, sure, but resources are limited and voluntarily unvaccinated Covid patients are pretty unquestionably less deserving of those resources than pretty much any other would-be ICU patient, so enough ICU beds to handle typical demands should be reserved for those other patients. Nobody should be made to die because of these idiots, because that's exactly what's going to keep happening. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:957665846] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>I don't think outright denying unvaccinated people care is reasonable, but I do think there's a need to cap the percentage of ICU's that are available for voluntarily unvaccinated Covid patients. Treat as many as possible, sure, but resources are limited and voluntarily unvaccinated Covid patients are pretty unquestionably less deserving of those resources than pretty much any other would-be ICU patient, so enough ICU beds to handle typical demands should be reserved for those other patients. Nobody should be made to die because of these idiots, because that's exactly what's going to keep happening. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 09/02/21 9:15:58 AM #50:	For ANYTHING? What if I had a heart attack?! ... Well, okay, I'm also fully vaccinated so maybe I'm not the best example. --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:957666233] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>For ANYTHING? What if I had a heart attack?! ... Well, okay, I'm also fully vaccinated so maybe I'm not the best example. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 09/02/21 9:38:12 AM #51:	People react to vaccines differently and no one knows what reaction may come with being vaccinated until they get the vaccine. Personally, I think people should choose if they want to get the vaccine or not much the way we choose whether or not we want a flu shot. Each one of us is responsible for our own health and that means we have to make choices good or bad on what's right for us individually in regards to our own health. If they force us to get vaccinated, who knows what they may try to force on us in the future. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:957666715] in If you ref... [t:79634091]...</cite> <quote>People react to vaccines differently and no one knows what reaction may come with being vaccinated until they get the vaccine. Personally, I think people should choose if they want to get the vaccine or not much the way we choose whether or not we want a flu shot. Each one of us is responsible for our own health and that means we have to make choices good or bad on what's right for us individually in regards to our own health. If they force us to get vaccinated, who knows what they may try to force on us in the future. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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