Poll of the Day > Diablo Ressurected beta free this weekend.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Just a heads up, anyone can try it this weekend. Added pally and druid as well.

Gonna try it and see if it's worth regetting.

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on ps5?

yup.

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i for one dont support sexism

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I would have ditched the whole stamina setup for running to be honest. It seems to slow the game down especially when your just starting. Since you also won't be able to get enigma's etc easy/fast probably I can see it being a real annoyance.

Started running as a druid which I kinda liked in the old days, but may restart as something else. The druid shapeshifting was meh at best early on, and the summons take awhile to really get going (and your limited in how far you can go currently).

The better starting char for most ladders in the old days was the sorc or Assassin since both could teleport (or semi-teleport) and didn't require too much good eq to get things done. Assassin is not available now, so I may do a sorc instead. Get a good roll on a early staff with +3 warmth and +3 to Ice blast/bolt and your set through most of the currently available game (and don't really need to worry about eq much).

Still, everyone is gonna be dog slow, not sure if I'll even get through act II to be honest.

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Yeah I ended up using the Vigor aura primarily with my paladin last weekend just so I could ignore stamina, all it does is slow down gameplay at lower levels

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I have a feeling with how integral the stamina system was for original D2 a lot of fans of the game would get upset if they just took it out.

Monopoman posted...

I have a feeling with how integral the stamina system was for original D2 a lot of fans of the game would get upset if they just took it out.

Just make it a toggle so you can keep it if you want. They did that with some other stuff I think.

Yeah, i'm considering doing pally initially at least just for vigor lol, but I may just give up on it. I have done this a million times, but there was a point durring a new ladder. I don't really enjoy doing the initial start up when you get decent eq, and without trading etc, it's going to be slower harder then the old days, and we only have a few days (and limited to act II) which is really going to curtail how much you can do. It is nice to get to see how the game looks/plays, but.....honestly, I can't see much difference from the old version so far. I could just load that up, use pluggy and have a better experience right now.

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I played it on Both Pc and console because y'know, no crossplay and console is such a horrible experience imo. I'm on the old ass Xbox One but there's no reason it should look like it does, it's barely better than the Original Graphics settings, runs like ass too.

PC version is pretty cool though.

Monopoman posted...

I have a feeling with how integral the stamina system was for original D2 a lot of fans of the game would get upset if they just took it out.

a lot of people are gonna be upset no matter what

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Yeah, not going to play any Rapetivision games.
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lihlih posted...

Yeah, not going to play any Rapetivision games.

very courageous decision

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I really can't get over how shit this runs on the Xbox one, why does a game from 2000 run like shit on a machine from 2014-15.

Cruddy_horse posted...

I really can't get over how shit this runs on the Xbox one, why does a game from 2000 run like shit on a machine from 2014-15.

its just a game that kinda runs like shit

always has been tbh, and I adore the game

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Yeah i gave it a serious try, even tried the controller, which has some potential but....just too many things don't work well with it sadly.

Love being able to run with it, they should let you use BOTH the controller and keyboard, the combo would work well, you could switch between moving with the controller and mouse at will and aim your spells with the mouse and fire em off with the controller or the mouse buttons (basically instead of having to hit the # keys or the f1 keys etc, you hit x/y/a/b and the up/down etc arrow keys for stash slots etc like on the controller setup.

You would have the best of both worlds.

Movement is great with the controller, but aiming sucks, picking up items sucks etc.

Anyway was more fun as the pally. Man I didn't remember them making the fire/cold/shock auras so powerful early game. Great in combo with a bow especially early on (almost over powered in a way). Have a pally weapon/shield on switch with +3 holy fire/cold/shock on it (and some smite for stun) and you have options if you don't wanna be shooting (obviously with the mouse not keyboard).

Think pally is easier with this setup starting off then Sorc at this point since you do similar damage without any need for mana. You also have enough points to put some into Vigor so you can not die of impatience with the run system.

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Smarkil posted...

i for one dont support sexism

Do you support child labor and sweatshops? If not I have some bad news for you.

Hard pass. Not playing a 20 year old game from a company run by sexists.

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jiffdiff posted...

Do you support child labor and sweatshops? If not I have some bad news for you.

no

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i can't join friends, is it region locked online?

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

i can't join friends, is it region locked online?

PC or console? On console you should be able to just accept an invite through the repective service. PC you need to search the lobby up.

invites aren't working on console.

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

invites aren't working on console.

Xbox or Playstion? I was on Xbox and they worked fine.

playstation.

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How a game this old is still so much fun, I don't know, but i think i'll buy it again (Even though I don't care about the graphics), just for the controller support.

It's funny but I used to do "fun" characters where I would try to get as far as possible using non-primary skills (like ravens...I beat normal with them, but not nightmare). This let me kinda know all the best combos for only playing through act II normal lol.

By far my favorite though is the Pally who starts off with 1 point in might, all points into holy fire and bonus points into resist fire (worth it early on). Once you get close to level 15 (about level 12), start saving for Vigor (just 3 points) so you can get it right away once it's available.

Long term reset your skills (normal diff use which is all we have right now) and change to cold/cold resist and 1 point into vigor as well. Honestly I'm not bothering switching this weekend because cold won't out damage fire.

Prob gonna start when it launches though with that build. Initially (as with most characters early on), I'll run with a very fast 3 socketed bow with the best damage gems I can put in (all 1 element and not fire early on and cold long term).

Longterm I'll switch to zeal of course and stop using a bow, max holy shield, but i'll probably stick with cold aura for the slow down and high damage increase.

Just curious if Zeal will get me the AR I need by itself without fanatacism. Might have to use a later skill reset to ditch cold aura for fanatacism, but i hope not. Cold Aura's attack slowdown + holy shields extremely high block rate (and much easier to cast now with a controller!!) should make for very good defenses.

Just wish I could make the char now.

I also love my Wolf Druid (Always will be using a bow lol). Only downside is no vigor which is really useful. My wolves eat things up though, but I just don't do the mass output of the pally damage wise (and certainly not vs bosses).

Anyway gonna probably pre-order it after this weekend as I'm really having fun and there is a bunch more builds for me to play and enjoy. I really SHOULD start as a sorc or if not an assassin, since they generally run the fastest long term (Sorc's teleport is basically life till you get an enigma...which I won't be getting anytime soon I'm guessing). You can sorta skip/run through as an Assassin though as well....so I could do that, and my old hybrid build (I posted a FAQ on here eons ago for it) is still insane.

Ugh, wish the game was launching already!!

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

playstation.

Hmm gonna see if I can try this on my ps4, because I like the controller so much. Only worried I might need the playstation plus or whatever it is to play online with others.

Yep, you do have to pay $10 a month to play D2 online that is silly.

Guess I'll have to play on my computer instead.

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Couldn't pay me to play Actblizzard's latest half-ass remake of an old game.

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Well I was having too much fun and was like, ugh, this is all gonna get deleted, I hate that....so I decided to stop playing for now.

But then!!!!!!!

I was like, why not just play my old version with pluggy setup already?

So I loaded it up (had to download a previous update for it to work with pluggy.

And man it runs so much better on the PC then the new version does. It's not even close. If I'm playing offline chars only that means no trading....but it does give you long term goals (getting some rune words is going to be impossible only offline).

Still honestly I don't care about the graphics and this way I can play now. Maaaaaybe I'll get the new version next month, I have a few friends who are getting it that I could possibly play with. I won't be paying for Playstation play or whatever the online fee is though.

Really wish they didn't charge that for things like D2, it's rediculous. I'm not gonna pay $10 a month just to play D2.

If I'm playing on my laptop, the graphics are a freaking waste cause it's a small screen. If I was playing on my ps4 on my huge tv, THAT would make the graphics matter at least a bit (not much to me, but it would be noticable). Honestly I can barely tell the diff on my laptop between them though, and the old version really does run much smoother (sure they are still working on it).

From what I understand though they are running the new system on top of the old one, using all the old code but using the new system to upgrade the graphics etc. It seems to me that it's causing some lag/disconect between them, cause the old version plays better from what I have seen.

Honestly I would pay the $30 to play it again if they add more stuff or it takes off and there is a large community, new updates (more runewords maybe, perhaps add a new class etc).

Pluggy gives you all the online stuff, offline, so you can play anywhere without an internet connection (nice for when I bring my laptop with me, though now that I know I can use my phone as a hotspot not as important anymore), you have a great shared stash (and infinite stash space...so even better then the new version).

I will miss picking up gold automatically but I can live without it. I do like using the controller, but....honestly keyboard and mouse works MUCH better with the old version (or seems to), and it's what I'm used to. The advantage of the mouse lets you directly aim at what you want, while the controller tries to figure out what your aiming at. That isn't nearly as good and I don't know how well it'll work with things like teleport long term.

So for now i'm putting the new version on a bakcburner, already have a new Druid char in the old version about to end act 1, with a full wolf army (5 normal ones for now).

I may upgrade to the new version later when it releases, gonna hold off and see how the launch goes probably and perhaps wait to see if it ever goes on sale (not likely fron blizzard but who know).

Would be nice if they:

Let you purchase it for multiple platforms at once (IE PC AND PS4 for the same price).

Gave a discount if you owned the originals ($20 instead of $30).

Let you use their servers instead of Playstations so you don't have to pay freaking $10 a month to play (letting you own it on multiple for one price would mean you could play solo on ps4 though and party on PC. Honestly that seems like a better value (buying it twice) then paying $10 a month for as long as you want to play it on ps4).


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For those hypocrites that "won't ever support Blizzard", I hope you know you're making as much of a difference as boycotting all Nestle owned products as they continue to kill babies, monopolize water, and use death squads to enforce their cocoa supply.

OTT: besides the bugs the only thing I've seen that's bad about the open beta (or even the early beta) is that not all classes are available and you're limited to act 2 so you're not able to get to level 30 without excessive amounts of grinding.

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aHappySacka posted...

OTT: besides the bugs the only thing I've seen that's bad about the open beta (or even the early beta) is that not all classes are available and you're limited to act 2 so you're not able to get to level 30 without excessive amounts of grinding.

Well, there are a few things, it does seem to run a bit slower, and the keyboard/mouse setup isn't as streamlined as the old version yet (probably will be fixed). It also hickups sometimes on my computer, but then again it's recommended ram/gpu etc is insanely high (vs insanely low for old D2), so that makes some sense on a labtop.

I have no prob paying 30$ if I get more out of it, and enjoy the game more. I will miss trading, but in order to trade I either have to pay $10 a month for playstation plus, or play on my laptop. Meanwhile if I play the old version I can use Pluggy, which lets me play offline with all the bonuses of online (including players 8 etc, uber diablo etc).

So, I'm not saying it's bad, I just don't think it's worth it on my pc (since I already have it, my monitor is tiny so I can't notice the graphics upgrade, and the system reqs are huge in comparison).

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So, i have favorite builds for each class from the old days. I can't remember them EXACTLY, and certainly can't remember all the eq etc I had on me, but I thought I would post a few incase anyone wants to try them once the game comes out.

First off, I had a hybrid assassin. I made a FAQ for it back in the day, that was very popular on this board.

The trick is simple, you don't need to use any charge up attacks to use a finishing blow for the assassin. This lets you only put 1 point in all the pre-reqs (including the one charge up that you actually use, to drain hp/mana (but 1 point is enough in it because of +skills...which gets you to 90% hp mana with 2 charges or 180% with 3...more then enough to keep you using dragon kick nonstop).

The only martial arts skill you actually use at all is dragon kick, which teleports you around (can be used to speed up traveling a bit as well, though probably need to use a mouse to have any chance of doing that).

Total skill points used in martial tab is 25. This still maximizes your martial damage btw, because Dragon Kick itself does WAY MORE damage per use (without being charged up) then any charge up skill would add to it. At skill level 30 (with plus skills) Dragon kick adds 825% damage and 625% attack. None of the charge up skills add damage at all while charging (and they add way less AR).

Meanwhile in Shadow Arts you just put 1 point in everything (unless you don't wanna toss venom on, but it's a nice boost for 1 point after +skills).

Total Shadow art skill points used 10.

Most of your skill points go into traps as do all your +1 skill GC's.

Assassins don't have alot of synergies, but the traps do. The Death Sentry does the same damage as the lightning trap, but also has corpse explosion as well.

Corpse explosion is 40-80% (random) of each enemies life that it kills. Personally I think that is more useful then the bit more damage you can get by putting points into shock web/charged bolt sentry to boost lightning trap a bit more.

If you do go the death sentry route you want to put 9 points into fire sentry. This gives you 8 (without + skills) traps per cast, and with +skills you get more per cast then lightning sentry.

Meanwhile max blade shield for some sick damage to anything that gets close to you, and max lightning sentry to boost death sentries damage as much as possible.

That leaves you 1 skill point left over.

Now there are a few ways to change things. Blade shield for instance, you don't need to max. Maxing it doesn't even double the damage as your base damage is 1/4th your weapon + the damage bonus. Higher points also increases duration though (and mana cost)..which is the biggest draw for me. That being said + skills are a thing and you'll prob have at least +10 to your trap tree.

Blade shield with 1 point invested and +10 to skills only (and you can get much more then that long term for just that tree, the main thing is you generally want +all skills over just +trap skills. Still once you get +1 trap skill GC's even focusing on +all skills (which you can get +10 pretty easy as a druid), Just 5 +1 trap skill GC's would give you +15 to your traps. Even with only 10 though it lasts 70 seconds and the bonus damage difference between 1 point and 20 isn't really a big deal.

That is the best place to "lose" points until you make it to higher levels (if you ever do).

Anyway, I think that was my build from back in the day, at least it's close, and it rocked pretty hard, especially before you have an Enigma. It was a GREAT alternative to running a sorc first so you have teleport. Assassins get a natural movement speed boost from Burst of speed but also the finishing move dragons kick can teleport you to enemies, which can let you move through areas (especially in combo with bursts of speeds base increase) as fast as someone with an enigma (or a sorc with teleport).

Anyway that is my favorite assassin build. It used to rock, and it works GREAT at the start of a ladder while your trying to get currency together etc.

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Smarkil posted...

i for one dont support sexism

+1

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I don't really need or want a port of a 20 year old game that (allegedly) runs like booty, especially when the OG version can run at hundreds or thousands of FPS on modern systems, but all the crying has almost convinced me to get it.

Is it free on PC too?

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Yup


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Well this beta sucks, no necro! Like I give a fuck about any of these other weaklings.

One thing I've noticed that I did not notice as much on OG Diablo 2 is that when you start getting cornered by a mob, the game/sever would start freaking out on me. It would teleport my character in random spots, not register any of my hits, and damage me without any visual cues. This was the only cause of any character deaths during the beta.

In my experience, the lag is why melee characters were not enjoyable in the beta. I ended on a fire Druid (was going to be a tornado spammer if I had a few more levels), fire Sorc, zeal Paladin, and Javazon. Did not try Barbarian.

My wife has the preordered since she was a huge diablo player back in the day. She played the closed beta last weekend as fire sorceress. Was le fun

Basically the same exact game but prettier! (Which is all she or any other diablo II superfan would want I think)

I played pet druid because I was bored a bit, and I realized that I really don't like many diablo classes at allll. I really wish necro and assassin were available ;;

Red_Frog posted...

but all the crying has almost convinced me to get it.

from what Ive seen it is getting a lot of fair criticism for the limited beta and technical issues

but honestly a ton of it seems like complaints from technophiles, which most gamers arent

regardless there will be a steady wave OMG the game is a total dumpster fire!!! youtube takes, its a whole business now and they do it every time theres a notable release with ANY glaring issues or controversy

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wolfy42 posted...

Yup

Awesome, I'll check it out. Thanks

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So the Necromancer and Assassin aren't in the beta, but loot modifiers and class exclusive items still drop for them.

Why?

Cruddy_horse posted...

So the Necromancer and Assassin aren't in the beta, but loot modifiers and class exclusive items still drop for them.

Why?

a lot of people are concerned that the game might still run like shit with the characters, just because the game has to manage their pets and traps and later on the game can be so heavily populated

they probably left the loot for them in either as an oversight or it might have been too complicated to remove the stuff from the loot table for them to consider it worth the time for just the beta

im still looking forward to playing the game on console, but Im expecting a rocky launch with lots of technical issues. This close to release the fact that you can still only play the first 2 acts on normal does not inspire much confidence.

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Cruddy_horse posted...

So the Necromancer and Assassin aren't in the beta, but loot modifiers and class exclusive items still drop for them.

Why?

So I may lament, and then turn them into gold. For my stupid Amazon that I can't stop playing.

Mead posted...

im still looking forward to playing the game on console, but Im expecting a rocky launch with lots of technical issues. This close to release the fact that you can still only play the first 2 acts on normal does not inspire much confidence.

Seems to be running acceptably on a X1S so far, just fucked up Blood Raven and running through some dungeons, not nearly the travesty I was expecting. Although I only downloaded it last night, so maybe something got updated.

Also, I don't know if anybody's mentioned it, but if you hit Help in the options it shows the key bind for graphic mode switching. On Xbox you hold left trigger and hit back. Or boxes, whatever that button's called now, idk. I'm finding the map easier to see, less straining.
The new graphics don't look bad, just seems more tiring to look at. Everything stands out better in Legacy mode instead of blurring together, might be a case of less is more.

I dont think I can go back to legacy mode

the times Ive switched to it its just like OMG wtf

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Mead posted...

Yeah I ended up using the Vigor aura primarily with my paladin last weekend just so I could ignore stamina, all it does is slow down gameplay at lower levels

Guys, get in here!!
Holy shit somebody used Vigor!

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Black_Crusher posted...

Guys, get in here!!
Holy shit somebody used Vigor!

do a lot of people use it? I practically never did back when I would play D2 back in the day. I always stuck with one of the elemental auras, conviction, or fanatacism

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Vigor allows you to run faster in town and is therefore great on any build. It's also an excellent tool in pvp because it makes your character desync really hard.

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wolfy42 posted...
Gave a discount if you owned the originals ($20 instead of $30).

Yeah but practically everyone who wants this already has the original. No way they'd give us all a discount but it'd be nice no doubt.

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funkyfritter posted...

Vigor allows you to run faster in town and is therefore great on any build. It's also an excellent tool in pvp because it makes your character desync really hard.

I never and I mean never ever used it unless it was by accident haha. That's cool somebody does. This was the biggest problem for me by almost always playing SP offline- I never knew what people were doing most of the time when it comes to stuff like this.

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Black_Crusher posted...

I never and I mean never ever used it unless it was by accident haha. That's cool somebody does. This was the biggest problem for me by almost always playing SP offline- I never knew what people were doing most of the time when it comes to stuff like this.

yeah I always played SP to avoid latency

aside from stuff like Baal runs other players would often just stress me out

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Vigor is an amazing 1 point wonder even worth it once you have enigma for your pally.

In general you usually end up with about +10 to all skills (more for just pally or specific pally tree), so 1 point into vigor lets you switch to it when not fighting/running through areas etc, and get 37% movement speed bonus 300% max stamina and stamina regen (you never run out of stamina). It's great for boss runs etc where you just zoom through and avoid fighting (toss on boots with movement speed etc and you almost don't need enigma at all).

Many pally builds want at least a point in meditation anyway (and sometimes much more (hammerdins etc), so you only spend 2 total points to get vigor in that case (otherwise it's 4 points). That really isn't much to have such a huge run speed boost and unlimited stamina at will.

Assassins are one of the best starters because of boost of speed, which lets you rush through areas etc before getting Enigma (which admittingly will probably take ALOT longer).

Both Pally and Assassin compete at least somewhat with Sorcs Teleport (although sorc is def the winner pre-enigma).

Barbarians speed boost blows in comparison (but at least he has one).

Druids have no real speed boost, but they do get a stamina boost in wolf form at least. Feral rage gives a minor speed boost but requires you to hit enemies and doesn't compare to pally/assassin boosts (or even barbarian) because of that.

Amazons and Necro's have no movement speed buffs at all. I always thought evade should also add move/walk speed personally (kinda makes sense). They are the slowest at starting off (though admittingly Necro skelly is one of the easiest to start off fresh with if you don't mind moving slowly.

Assassins win the race for normal pretty much though, boost of speed lasts along time, increase attack AND run speed (and gets to 50% pretty fast for run speed), and is easy to keep up.


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