Board 8 > Rank the Tracks Week 23: The Killers' Hot Fuss (+ Mezzanine results)

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Previous results can be seen here:
https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_the_Tracks

The rules:
1. Listen to the album in full
2. Rank every track on the album
3. For the results, there will be a curve at the top of each list; two additional points between #1 and #2, and one additional point for the next two ranks. This way, the songs that really stick out to someone get an edge that is not immediately negated by someone else putting it lower. In the case of Demon Days, someone's 15th track will get 1 point, 14th 2 points, 4th 12 points, 3rd 14 points, 2nd 16 points, and 1st 19 points
4. If you want to include comments for individual songs, I will compile them in the results
5. The results will be posted at the beginning of the next topic
6. The deadline to vote is Sunday, August 15 at 8:00 AM EST - though if you are for whatever reason listening to the album around that time, just say so in the topic and I can delay a bit
7. You can sign up to be added to a user cycle for after we finish the queue; once we get through the last planned album, the next person on the list will choose 3 albums which the other users will vote on for the next topic.
7a. To ensure people are being given an actual choice, the three nominated albums must be by different artists. You can otherwise stick to a similar sound or era.
7b. The tiebreaker for these polls will be whichever is listed first in the poll options - make sure to deliver the results in order of your own preference (which will hopefully have the added benefit of influencing people toward your first choice if they can't decide).
7c. The order of the user cycle will be randomly determined, but users will first be sorted into tiers by how many of their nominations have been covered during the early nominations period.

The Killers' Hot Fuss track list:
(note: the UK/Australian version had a different track listing so please include the bonus song below)
1. Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
2. Mr. Brightside
3. Smile Like You Mean It
4. Somebody Told Me
5. All These Things That I've Done
6. Andy, You're A Star
7. On Top
8. Change Your Mind
9. Believe Me Natalie
10. Midnight Show
11. Everything Will Be Alright
Bonus (UK/Australian #8). Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll

Schedule:
8/15: Ben Folds Five - Ben Folds Five (jcgamer107)
8/22: Air - Moon Safari (ZaziGuado)
8/29: The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Are You Experienced (Johnbobb)
9/5: Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine (Steiner)
9/12: The Knife - Silent Shout (CasanovaZelos)
9/19: Billy Joel - The Stranger (Seanchan)
9/26: Spice Girls - Spice (SpikeSetsFire)
10/3: Iron Maiden - Powerslave (TheArkOfTurus)
10/10: Rancid - ...And Out Come the Wolves (Snake5555555555)
10/17: OutKast - Aquemini (Giggsalot)
10/24: Of Monsters and Men - My Head Is an Animal (Jesse_Custer)
10/31: Taylor Swift - Speak Now (Snake5555555555)
11/7: The Avalanches - Since I Left You (SpikeSetsFire)
11/14: Moby - Play (SpikeSetsFire)
11/21: Steely Dan - Can't Buy a Thrill (Seginustemple)

User Cycle sign-ups:
11/28: MetalmindStats
12/5: TheArkOfTurus
12/12: Snake5555555555
12/19: Jesse_Custer
12/26: ZaziGuado
1/2: SpikeSetsFire
1/9: Johnbobb
1/16: VeryInsane
1/23: CasanovaZelos
1/30: Seanchan
2/6: Giggsalot
2/13: RyoCaliente
2/20: darkx
2/27: neonreaper
3/6: Great_Paul

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Massive Attack - Mezzanine results

The participants sorted by deviance from final results:
VeryInsane (10)
CasanovaZelos (12)
Johnbobb (16)
HBJDubs (18)
TheArkOfTurus (20)
Seanchan (20)
Raetsel_Lapin (24)
Giggsalot (30)
Snake5555555555 (34)
Jesse_Custer (36)
SpikeSetsFire (38)

General Album Comments

Snake5555555555: Trip-hop is such a fantastic genre of music. It's not something I seek out often; instead it always seems to find its way to you in your times of need or crisis. At once, it's energetic and danceable, and by the same token, dark, full of despair, scary & terrifying, and emotionally thoughtful, tailor-made for 3AM middle-of-the-night contemplation. Massive Attack's Mezzanine is the definitive album of the genre, ironically because they tried so hard to escape the very genre they were most known for. I first discovered this album after tracing back the roots of Silent Hills' OSTs and Akira Yamaoka's influences, and so it was an instant success with me. It never gets quite into the realm of pure horror as Aphex Twin, but instead builds up this atmosphere of dread with ethereal experimentation and haunting guest vocals, especially the work of Liz Fraser who helps support the album's highest and memorable moments, who almost seems to be fighting for air amidst intense and suffocating claustrophobia. Despite the album's lofty ambitions however, it stays grounded with disturbing songs about toxic relationships such as in "Inertia Creeps", or wistful contemplation turning into a desperate cry for help in "Group Four" as Fraser runs like a Victorian ghost through lines bemoaning a dead-end job and ultimately a wasted life. The album's most triumphant moment however is "Risingson", a musing on boredom and anxiety that cuts through to the soul with intense reverb and empty spaces that speak louder than words. And that's really the guiding star of the whole album; life isn't always as gloomy and depressing as the album makes it out to be, but there are points where it will be and you will appreciate those empty gaps more and more as you get older. And in Massive Attack's own disparaging of trip hop and electronica, they used this very feeling to create an album that's eternally resonant and emotionally timeless.

Seanchan: Oh man, you guys have no idea what it's like going into some of these albums completely blind. LOL...

I've not heard albums from a lot of the artists we've done but at the very least I've heard a single or two or have a general idea of what to expect. With Massive Attack though, no idea.

I think I liked this? It's certainly evocative. I felt like I should have been walking through some semi-legal warehouse club party, everything dark and sweaty, possibly under the influence of some illicit substances. It felt like something to get lost in. Don't concentrate too hard, just let the beats wash over you and take you away.

Giggsalot: honestly i don't reach for mezzanine that often anymore, but it's been a definitive album for me for more than a decade, and it's perfect for this topic series. track-for-track it's one of the greatest ever, and nearly 25 years later it's still among the coolest sounding and best produced albums of all time. there's a common perception that the first four tracks outshine the rest of the record, but i've always thought that was completely unfair; some of the most tense and cathartic moments that the album has to offer show up later in the album. honestly, just about every song here has been my favourite at some stage, but on pure instinct i'd rank things as follows:

Seanchan: This was such a weird one for me. I felt like I enjoyed it less on repeat listenings...which might just come down to have to do the rankings. Whatever magic I felt on that first listen never re-materialized.

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Mezzanine track ranking

11. (Exchange) (Track #11)
Score: 39 (Average Rank: 8.45/11)
Biggest Fan(s): SpikeSetsFire (#4)
Biggest Detractor(s): HBJDubs, VeryInsane, CasanovaZelos, Seanchan (#11)

10. Exchange (Track #5)
Score: 41 (Average Rank: 8.45/11)
Biggest Fan(s): Snake5555555555, SpikeSetsFire (#3)
Biggest Detractor(s): TheArkOfTurus, Giggsalot, Johnbobb (#11)

9. Man Next Door (Track #7)
Score: 43 (Average Rank: 8.27/11)
Biggest Fan(s): Giggsalot (#2)
Biggest Detractor(s): Snake5555555555 (#11)

8. Mezzanine (Track #9)
Score: 57 (Average Rank: 6.91/11)
Biggest Fan(s): Giggsalot (#3)
Biggest Detractor(s): SpikeSetsFire (#11)

7. Group Four (Track #10)
Score: 68 (Average Rank: 6.18/11)
Biggest Fan(s): TheArkOfTurus (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): VeryInsane, CasanovaZelos (#9)

6. Black Milk (Track #8)
Score: 72 (Average Rank: 5.82/11)
Biggest Fan(s): Jesse_Custer (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): Snake5555555555 (#10)

5. Inertia Creeps (Track #4)
Score: 76 (Average Rank: 5.45/11)
Biggest Fan(s): HBJDubs, Seanchan (#2)
Biggest Detractor(s): Jesse_Custer, Raetsel_Lapin (#11)

4. Dissolved Girl (Track #6)
Score: 85 (Average Rank: 5.09/11)
Biggest Fan(s): SpikeSetsFire (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): Snake5555555555, Giggsalot (#9)

3. Risingson (Track #2)
Score: 92 (Average Rank: 4.73/11)
Biggest Fan(s): Snake5555555555 (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): Jesse_Custer, SpikeSetsFire (#10)

2. Angel (Track #1)
Score: 113 (Average Rank: 3.45/11)
Biggest Fan(s): Raetsel_Lapin, VeryInsane, Giggsalot, Seanchan (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): SpikeSetsFire (#8)

1. Teardrop (Track #3)
Score: 117 (Average Rank: 3.18/11)
Biggest Fan(s): HBJDubs, CasanovaZelos, Johnbobb (#1)
Biggest Detractor(s): Seanchan (#8)

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I think thats the most my rankings have deviated from the results so far.

Tag, I plan to participate in this one.

Can I sign up for the next user cycle?

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I just caught that Hot Fuss had an alternate track in some countries, so please include the bonus track listed above (Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll)

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I have never listened to this album in its entirety but I've had Mr. Brightside stuck in my head for the past three days so I think this is a sign that I ought to give it a spin this week.

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CasanovaZelos posted...

I just caught that Hot Fuss had an alternate track in some countries, so please include the bonus track listed above (Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll)

Ah, I was so confused! I'm like, "I know I've heard that song before" but it's not on the Hot Fuss album I have in mp3 form. Turns out it was (also?) on one of their subsequent albums, Sawdust. The track IS part of Spotify's version of Hot Fuss though so that makes it simple.

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The evolving critical reception of Hot Fuss is among the most striking I know - it went from a measly 66 average on Metacritic to the all-time top 1,000 on Acclaimed Music, meaning critics greatly reconsidered its significance. For me, I think the earlier evaluation is closer to the mark. This is the definitive front-loaded album, 5 strong songs followed by a whole bunch of okay. It's not that the back half is bad, but the energy seriously drops off and never recovers - if the singles had been mixed in throughout, maybe it could hold my attention. This is the rare album that is less than the sum of its parts - but three of those parts are at least all-time greats.

My ranking:
Mr. Brightside (#1144)
All These Things That I've Done (#1420)
Somebody Told Me (#2443)
Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
Smile Like You Mean It
Midnight Show
Change Your Mind
Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
Andy, You're A Star
On Top
Believe Me Natalie
Everything Will Be Alright

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Seanchan posted...

Ah, I was so confused! I'm like, "I know I've heard that song before" but it's not on the Hot Fuss album I have in mp3 form. Turns out it was (also?) on one of their subsequent albums, Sawdust. The track IS part of Spotify's version of Hot Fuss though so that makes it simple.

At least on my version of Spotify, there are two versions of Hot Fuss with and without it, and the one without is listed first (which is why I initially missed it)...

I'm just happy I caught it while I was able to edit the first post

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CasanovaZelos posted...

The evolving critical reception of Hot Fuss is among the most striking I know - it went from a measly 66 average on Metacritic to the all-time top 1,000 on Acclaimed Music, meaning critics greatly reconsidered its significance. For me, I think the earlier evaluation is closer to the mark. This is the definitive front-loaded album, 5 strong songs followed by a whole bunch of okay. It's not that the back half is bad, but the energy seriously drops off and never recovers - if the singles had been mixed in throughout, maybe it could hold my attention. This is the rare album that is less than the sum of its parts - but three of those parts are at least all-time greats.

I bet it's because the generation who is responsible for those ratings grew up with this album. I remember this being huge amongst future music nerds when I was in high school.

I find it funny Hybrid Theory has failed to be reevaluated in a similar capacity. I think it is of comparable quality and also developed a hyper-devoted fan base, but it's not even in the top 3000 on AM.

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Hybrid Theory is an incredible album we should absolutely cover in this group

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CasanovaZelos posted...

I find it funny Hybrid Theory has failed to be reevaluated in a similar capacity. I think it is of comparable quality and also developed a hyper-devoted fan base, but it's not even in the top 3000 on AM.

And Hybrid Theory sold 4x (!!!) as many copies as Hot Fuss. It's insane how popular it was.

I think the difference is that Hybrid Theory has a negative association with nu metal, whereas Hot Fuss opened millions of listeners to alt rock that is still beloved today.

Honestly Hot Fuss to me is more popish than alt/indie

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ChainLTTP posted...

I think the difference is that Hybrid Theory has a negative association with nu metal, whereas Hot Fuss opened millions of listeners to alt rock that is still beloved today.

That's been shifting gradually over the past year or so though. All the most popular emo rappers of today seem to love and are very influenced by the nu metal period. And you have artists like Bring Me the Horizon, Rina Sawayama, and Poppy updated nu metal for the modern generation.

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Ooh I'll tag this and hope I don't forget about it, I used to listen to The Killers all the time. I hope the topic series gets to Sam's Town eventually, that one would be interesting.

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LiquidOshawott posted...

Honestly Hot Fuss to me is more popish than alt/indie

Oh for sure. But it was a gateway album for a lot of people who would grow up to be in the hipster scene.

Hybrid Theory introduced more people to modern music, but I don't think its fanbase is the kind that rates things on metacritic.

Mr. Brightside
All These Things That I've Done
Somebody Told Me
On Top
Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
Smile Like You Mean It
Believe Me Natalie
Midnight Show
Change Your Mind
Andy, You're A Star
Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
Everything Will Be Alright

My experience with The Killers is basically the singles off their first three albums. The Killers put out a good single.

Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine - First songs on the first album of a band's discography hold a certain significance. The Killers did pretty good with this one. I really love the combination of the synth and funky bass pluck.

Mr. Brightside - It's sort of amazing to me how this became such a defining song of singalong music. I'm not mad about it, though. That opening verse followed by the chorus will set almost any group of people of a certain generation off. Any band would be wise to have this playable in their arsenal. I don't remember Mr. Brightside being an instant classic, moreso one that just kind of simmered and won people over the longer it stayed within pop culture until it reach iconic status.

Smile Like You Mean It - For some reason, and I don't know why, I always get this song and Read My Mind (the superior song imo) mixed up in my mind. I also hated this song for whatever reason the first time I heard it. Something about his droning voice I think. I must not have picked up the slick synth line because that's what makes the song.

Somebody Told Me - First singles from a band's discography are also significant. The Killers also did pretty good with this one as well, though I think has been largely eclipsed by so many other singles over the course of their career. Still a fun song.

All These Things That I've Done - Easily my favorite song on this album. The breakdown in the middle is iconic to me. The soaring guitars are a ton of fun. I really appreciate Brandon Flowers' vocals on this one.

And then we enter the later portion of the album and things get less interesting because The Killers frontloaded the album with all the singles that I've heard over the last 15 years and I don't feel like talking about the rest of the album with nothing to look forward to.

All These Things That I've Done
Mr. Brightside
Smile Like You Mean It
Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine
Somebody Told Me
On Top
Andy, You're A Star
Midnight Show
Change Your Mind
Everything Will Be Alright
Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
Believe Me Natalie

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Mr Brightside was the final song at my wedding. Needless to say it was a wild finale.

Turns out, I'd not heard Change Your Mind before! Lets be totally honest, I got a lot of music during that time early/mid 00s time from...clandestine...sources, and apparently it was labeled as Change Your Mind but was actually Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll. Never knew! Change Your Mind is a pretty forgettable track though, so seems like I got the better end.

I nominated Hot Fuss because, like Is This It, it's considered a "classic" of the era, so I thought it was the right album for this. It's not my favorite Killers album, that honor probably goes to Day & Age (which I think goes against the grain of most people's opinions). Been a while since I listened to Sam's Town so that one might be better as well. Battle Born is the last Killers album I've heard but I could never get into it; by that point my musical tastes had shifted.

If nothing else, Mr Brightside, and to a lesser extent, Somebody Told Me, will likely stand the test of time.

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By the way I dont know if theres a limit to albums to put in the user cycle but if its 5 I think I finally have a good idea what my five are

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All These Things That I've Done
Andy, You're A Star
Somebody Told Me
On Top
Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
Mr. Brightside
Believe Me Natalie
Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
Smile Like You Mean It
Change Your Mind
Everything Will Be Alright
Midnight Show


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Once upon a time I felt like this was a great album. It certainly has some great singles, and at the time it felt like a breath of fresh air compared to what was getting radio play on rock stations at the time. The biggest problem I have with the album now though is that with nearly every song other than "Somebody Told Me" and Mr. Brightside" I can't help but be reminded of another song that came before them, from bands that had even better songs than the ones that The Killers are aping. The early 2000s absolutely needed The Killers and the other bands that brought a sea change to rock, but they didn't really move the genre forward.

Somebody Told Me
Mr. Brightside
On Top
Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
Believe Me Natalie
All These Things That I've Done
Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
Midnight Show
Change Your Mind
Smile Like You Mean It
Everything Will Be Alright
Andy, You're A Star

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The Killers era was the last time anything remotely rock-adjacent was the mainstream. Sad days ;_;.

I think that changed this year, coupled with a build-up from last year. I think the biggest name in music right now is Olivia Rodrigo and Good 4 U smashed records while basically being a mid-00s pop punk track. Couple that with artists like MGK, Jxdn, Willow, Mod Sun, etc. bringing a full on pop-punk revival back and I think we have the biggest movement in rock in a long time. Plus, you have Taylor Swift absolutely crushing album sales with indie & alt. rock influences.

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Snake5555555555 posted...

I think that changed this year, coupled with a build-up from last year. I think the biggest name in music right now is Olivia Rodrigo and Good 4 U smashed records while basically being a mid-00s pop punk track. Couple that with artists like MGK, Jxdn, Willow, Mod Sun, etc. bringing a full on pop-punk revival back and I think we have the biggest movement in rock in a long time. Plus, you have Taylor Swift absolutely crushing album sales with indie & alt. rock influences.

Sonically it might seem that way, but to my knowledge none of those people actually write their music (some not even their lyrics).

I guess I meant the Killers were the last of a bygone era where rock bands were a thing. Pop stars playing indie rockers while producers compose and arrange every song is about as phony as it gets imo.

Even Maroon 5 songs are composed by production teams now!

Yes I am aware I sound like a boomer

In terms of mainstream success though, I don't think it matters. All you need are these hugely popular artists causing a chain reaction; if kids & teens love this stuff and it looks like they do, then they'll probably dig into similar artists from the past and support other contemporary or more "traditional" rock groups.

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Snake5555555555 posted...

In terms of mainstream success though, I don't think it matters. All you need are these hugely popular artists causing a chain reaction; if kids & teens love this stuff and it looks like they do, then they'll probably dig into similar artists from the past and support other contemporary or more "traditional" rock groups.

Maybe you're right, but to me there is a very different sound from the studio "rock" songs that are composed by a bunch of producers and a band working out shit together like the Killers would have.

I do think you have a point too. It is obviously very different, but I think it's better to embrace it otherwise rock will just fade into relative obscurity again and again.

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1: Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine
2: Midnight Show
3: Somebody Told Me
4: On Top
5: Believe Me Natalie
6: Change Your Mind
7: Smile Like You Mean It
8: Mr. Brightside
9: Andy, You're A Star
10: All These Things That I've Done
11: Everything Will Be Alright
12: Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
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The Killers apparently have a new album out today and its currently their highest on Metacritic. I also really liked this song from last year, reminds me a lot of The War on Drugs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4go_DzY8wHc

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1. All These Things That I've Done
2. Mr. Brightside
3. Smile Like You Mean It
4. Somebody Told Me
5. Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
6. Midnight Show
7. Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
8. Believe Me Natalie
9. Change Your Mind
10. On Top
11. Andy, You're a Star
12. Everything Will Be Alright

So... I kind of like this album I think? Don't get me wrong, the singles on here are insanely good, with some all time classics of the entire rock genre. "All These Things That I've Done" is my favorite Killers song, with the "I've Got Soul" refrain being one of the most fun things to sing along with ever. "Mr. Brightside" is instantly catchy and teeters on that right blend of emotion where the band rocks their heart out in cathartic joy but you also catch the whispers of sadness, fear, and broken-heartedness throughout Flowers' immaculate, melodramatic, almost operatic vocal performance. Where the album truly falters is in its non-single tracks; they are serviceable, and actually stand out each in their unique way, but there's nothing particularly interesting I latch on to and want to listen to again and again, and that's a huge knock against it for me. Bouncing variously between a blend of alt. rock, new wave, and post-punk, I highly respect the album's sonic cohesion but I think the lyrics and actual instrumentation on the non-singles lacks significant depth and meaning. At its worst, in songs like "Everything Will Be Alright" & "Andy, You're a Star", The Killers are downright yawn-worthy.

I like The Killers; I wouldn't consider them a fave band by any stretch, but at the same time, they've definitely released some songs I would call favorites. I think they show marked improvement after Hot Fuss, and I enjoy them most when they lean more into heartland rock which fits them like a glove. Also, their Christmas songs are the fuckin' best.

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Smile like you mean it
All these things that I've done
Jenny was a friend of mine
Somebody told me
Mr. Brightside
On top
Change your mind
Midnight show
Andy, you're a star
Glamorous indie rock and roll
Everything will be alright
Believe be Natalie

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1. Somebody Told Me
2. Everything Will Be Alright
3. Mr. Brightside
4. Midnight Show
5. Smile Like You Mean It
6. On Top
7. Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
8. All These Things That I've Done
9. Andy, You're a Star
10. Change Your Mind
11. Believe Me Natalie
12. Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll

Clubby yet grandiose, with some sinister undercurrents to its soundscapes, something about Hot Fuss makes it seem like some of the most generic modern alt-rock possible (from perhaps the most generically named rock band around), not that it quite feels fair of me to say so with my lacking perspective. I found the result rather trying and tiring the first time through, while the second listen still had me convinced that albums like Hot Fuss are why I don't participate in this series nearly as often as I should. Of course, and typically for me with music, familiarity bred affection, hence why my top spot was locked before I started even as I grew ambivalent about said song's lyrics (well, that and the fact that I typically don't consume music as part of entire albums in order). Ultimately, while I won't likely return to most of these songs, I'd probably at least consider Hot Fuss better than a wash three times through without the almost painfully pretentious bonus track to cap it.

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Sorry.... Take 2

Somebody Told Me
Andy, You're A Star
On Top
Smile Like You Mean It
Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
Mr. Brightside
All These Things That I've Done
Everything Will Be Alright
Midnight Show
Believe Me Natalie
Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
Change Your Mind


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Hm Killers a year from now for 45 isnt terrible I guess but its a year from now

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1. Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine
2. Mr. Brightside
3. Somebody Told Me
4. Midnight Show
5. Everything Will Be Alright
6. Smile Like You Mean It
7. Believe Me Natalie
8. On Top
9. Change Your Mind
10. All These Things Ive Done
11. Glamourous Indie Rock & Roll
12. Andy, Youre A Star

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1. Somebody Told Me
2. Mr. Brightside
3. Midnight Show
4. All These Things That I've Done
5. Glamorous Indie Rock & Roll
6. Smile Like You Mean It
7. Everything Will Be Alright
8. Andy, You're A Star
9. Change Your Mind
10. Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
11. On Top
12. Believe Me Natalie

I like this album quite a bit. Not love, but it's very solid. At a certain point I'm not sure if that's just familiarity from having heard it so many times but I listened to this 4 more times this week and re-enjoyed it every time. There's quite a few bands from back in my high school and college days that I, for one reason or another, never want to hear again. The Killers are not one of those.

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All These Things That Ive Done
Mr. Brightside
Midnight Show
Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine
Smile Like You Mean It
Change Your Mind
On Top
Somebody Told Me
Glamorous Indie Rock and Roll
Andy Youre A Star
Everything Will Be Alright
Believe Me Natalie

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Final bump

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