Poll of the Day > Black women make 63 cents for every dollar a white man makes on average!

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https://mobile.twitter.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1422512636156129281?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

how do we stop this injustice without a deep reconfiguration of societal ideals, race relations, and gender roles. Lets not even address the elephant in the room which is the flawed system of capitalism.

That's hardly fair.

Why does the white man lose his 37 cents?

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Wait did you mean to say wide men?

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Woah, if you made 63 cents for every dollar a white man makes, that would be a freakton of cents. You would be so freaking rich.

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Damn, businesses should hire nothing but black women, think of all the labor savings they could bank!

The wage gap is such a stupid, massively debunked myth and it's really grating how it's still pushed.
Compare same job, same experience level and years, same hours worked, etc... and there is no "gap".
Compare a part time receptionist against lawyer with 20 years on the job, and...you get a Kamala Harris talking point.

If you wanna point out depressing things, just look at United States medical field. A black woman is 3 times more likely to die giving birth.

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streamofthesky posted...

Damn, businesses should hire nothing but black women, think of all the labor savings they could bank!

The wage gap is such a stupid, massively debunked myth and it's really grating how it's still pushed.
Compare same job, same experience level and years, same hours worked, etc... and there is no "gap".
Compare a part time receptionist against lawyer with 20 years on the job, and...you get a Kamala Harris talking point.

It's not a myth, though I agree that the stats often thrown around when portraying the gap feel misleading. The source article cited in the tweet indictates that a sizeable portion of the gap is unexplained even when things like education and occupation are controlled for. Here's one study cited by that article:

https://www.pnas.org/content/109/41/16474.abstract#aff-1

Personally, I find that compelling evidence that women often get worse deals for the same jobs, regardless of other factors.

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pedro45 posted...

If you wanna point out depressing things, just look at United States medical field. A black woman is 3 times more likely to die giving birth.

How do we fix that is what I want to know. What is causing that disparity and how can we make it better

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Mead posted...

How do we fix that is what I want to know. What is causing that disparity and how can we make it better

There's racism being instilled into our lives at some point. We should look at our education system I guess. When American stops meaning white male to most people, that might be an indicator we're making progress.
I mean, I'm talking out my ass here, but almost everyone but white males are some sub-American like Asian American, native American, Mexican American, etc. Why do we think like that? Aren't we all Americans?

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pedro45 posted...

I mean, I'm talking out my ass here, but almost everyone but white males are some sub-American like Asian American, native American, Mexican American, etc. Why do we think like that? Aren't we all Americans?

You've never heard Irish American, Italian American, Polish American, etc...? It's pretty common.

Oh God, *Facepalm*.

Wage gaps are caused by various other factors like time taken off work, hours worked, profession chosen, ability to negotiate pay, etc.

Skin color and gender may affect some factors, but that works both ways.

Women in general make less, because on average they work less. And when they do work, they generally take the lower end jobs that pay less.

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Arkinum posted...

Oh God, *Facepalm*.

Wage gaps are caused by various other factors like time taken off work, hours worked, profession chosen, ability to negotiate pay, etc.

Skin color and gender may affect some factors, but that works both ways.

Women in general make less, because on average they work less. And when they do work, they generally take the lower end jobs that pay less.

This is the truth. Pretty much came in here to say this.

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Arkinum posted...

Oh God, *Facepalm*.

Wage gaps are caused by various other factors like time taken off work, hours worked, profession chosen, ability to negotiate pay, etc.

Skin color and gender may affect some factors, but that works both ways.

Women in general make less, because on average they work less. And when they do work, they generally take the lower end jobs that pay less.

you perhaps could then see the problem if women/minorities are given fewer hours, given less consideration in negotiation, are not hired for higher end jobs, are not given access to higher paying professions, etc., right?

because THAT is the issue. race/gender plays into all/most of the other factors. and one could show that if you check to see if there are racial/gender disparities in the same direction in all of those other factors. after a certain point, you have to admit that race/gender affect pay

Fam_Fam posted...

you perhaps could then see the problem if women/minorities are given fewer hours, given less consideration in negotiation, are not hired for higher end jobs, are not given access to higher paying professions, etc., right?

That is absolutely an issue. What isn't an issue is repeating this "fact" that the TC posted. It's super misleading and makes the issue sound like a woman is paid less for doing the same job as a man. If it said "on average" or "due to fewer opportunities presented" it wouldn't be as polarizing trying to convey a very important message.

What if they both work minimum wage?
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Arkinum posted...

Oh God, *Facepalm*.

Wage gaps are caused by various other factors like time taken off work, hours worked, profession chosen, ability to negotiate pay, etc.

Skin color and gender may affect some factors, but that works both ways.

Women in general make less, because on average they work less. And when they do work, they generally take the lower end jobs that pay less.

Women are also far less likely to ask for a raise.

Number is also wildly skewed by a few hyper motivated and hyper successful men who make crazy crazy bank and skew the numbers up for the rest of them.

I wonder what kind of businesses they go to to get that statistic

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Did you know that Oprah only makes 63% of what I make!

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streamofthesky posted...

The wage gap is such a stupid, massively debunked myth and it's really grating how it's still pushed.
Compare same job, same experience level and years, same hours worked, etc... and there is no "gap".

So then why does the difference exist?

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The "wage gap" explained:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BDj_bN0L8XM
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Arkinum posted...

Oh God, *Facepalm*.

Wage gaps are caused by various other factors like time taken off work, hours worked, profession chosen, ability to negotiate pay, etc.

Skin color and gender may affect some factors, but that works both ways.

Women in general make less, because on average they work less. And when they do work, they generally take the lower end jobs that pay less.

Thank you for bringing some sense to this topic, there are many factors outside of race that effect someone's wages so its disingenuous to just pull out the race card

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Muscles posted...

Thank you for bringing some sense to this topic, there are many factors outside of race that effect someone's wages so its disingenuous to just pull out the race card

So why do those factors differ?

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so, a black woman who works at McDonalds should be paid the same as a white man who's a doctor.

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They just got to learn to code

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That's not the kind of gap us men want to be minding.

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Muscles posted...

Thank you for bringing some sense to this topic, there are many factors outside of race that effect someone's wages so its disingenuous to just pull out the race card

Looking at data like this is actually very helpful to address smaller issues that can compound and that only become noticeable when youre looking at data disparities

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itt: white men who feel threatened at the prospect that a black woman wants to make as much money as them for doing the exact same job

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Will is it they never list places or jobs this applies to assuming the factors are equal?

demonfang178 posted...

Will is it they never list places or jobs this applies to assuming the factors are equal?

The "Average" american is actially a 2.5 millionaire...

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demonfang178 posted...

Will is it they never list places or jobs this applies to assuming the factors are equal?

would you like to try again using earth languages

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helIy posted...

itt: white men who feel threatened at the prospect that a black woman wants to make as much money as them for doing the exact same job

classic potd

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I made a typo with one word and may or may not need a comma after to. Really not that big a deal.

demonfang178 posted...

I made a typo with one word and may or may not need a comma after to. Really not that big a deal.

so thats a no?

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That's a no. How about you explain what part is somehow losing you?

demonfang178 posted...

That's a no. How about you explain what part is somehow losing you?

you used a word wrong and then didnt use some punctuation

It took me several reads to understand what you were trying to say, and Im not even the dumbest poster on this board

shame on you

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Actually, if you think about it, a rich white man probably DOES make 63 cents for every dollar a black woman makes.

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Ok so 13% of our population in the us is African American. 200million are 18 or older.

Lets say to make this easy that half of them are women.

so 6.5% of the population are black women.

That is 13 million black women of working age in this country.

The average income in the US is 31k a year.

So 13 million * 31k is 403 billion dollars per year.

63% of 403 billion dollars = 254 billion dollars.

Nobody makes 254 billion a year, so nobody makes 63 cents for every dollar a black woman makes in the US.

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wolfy42 posted...

The average income in the US is 31k a year.

That's where your math went wrong. The whole point of this statistic is that black women make substantially less than the overall average income, on average. If you want to do that math, you need a specific average income stat for black women.

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Sycophant posted...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Blklivesmatter/status/1422512636156129281?

ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

nice url
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Yeah, that math was a bit wonky.
I can't tell if people are trying to deny or justify this and what is worse...

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pedro45 posted...

Yeah, that math was a bit wonky.
I can't tell if people are trying to deny or justify this and what is worse...

Mostly, they're just settling for "it's not a matter of overt racists/misogynists choosing to pay PoC/women less for the same work" and saying that's good enough, rather than trying to get to the root cause of the statistical difference and face the much more difficult question of "what can be done to fix this?".

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helIy posted...

itt: white men who feel threatened at the prospect that a black woman wants to make as much money as them for doing the exact same job

i don't think anyone here said that, but you can believe whatever you want

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What_The_Chris posted...

i don't think anyone here said that, but you can believe whatever you want

if no one explicitly said it then it cannot be true
-you, apparently

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nice try, but also wrong. You can keep trying though, I don't care

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adjl posted...

Mostly, they're just settling for "it's not a matter of overt racists/misogynists choosing to pay PoC/women less for the same work" and saying that's good enough, rather than trying to get to the root cause of the statistical difference and face the much more difficult question of "what can be done to fix this?".

Well, we could start by splintering the 'White' population instead of grouping them all together. I'd be curious, for example, to see a comparison of a Protestant white man vs Catholic white man vs a Jewish white man vs Episcopalian white man. I'm willing to bet there will be inequalities there as well.

11110111011 posted...

Well, we could start by splintering the 'White' population instead of grouping them all together. I'd be curious, for example, to see a comparison of a Protestant white man vs Catholic white man vs a Jewish white man vs Episcopalian white man. I'm willing to bet there will be inequalities there as well.

I am reporting you for dogwhistling that jews control money by pointing out jewish white men vs Christians. Do not even go b-b-but i splintered the Christians. You know what you are doing and its despicable.

Sycophant posted...

I am reporting you for dogwhistling that jews control money by pointing out jewish white men vs Christians. Do not even go b-b-but i splintered the Christians. You know what you are doing and its despicable.

My point has nothing to do with just the Jewish people. Yes, they tend to have more wealth. So do Episcopalians. It is because their religious culture values education.

The entire point is that a person's education and upbringing have much more to do with how much they make than skin color.

What_The_Chris posted...

nice try, but also wrong. You can keep trying though, I don't care

I dont care either my dude

Did you play with Hot Wheels or Matchbox cars when you were a kid? Was there one you liked better?

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I like how studies often leave out women taking maternity leave when pay is brought up.

ofc someone who leaves won't advance as much as someone who doesn't
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I like how studies often leave out women taking maternity leave when pay is brought up.

ofc someone who leaves won't advance as much as someone who doesn't

A person who is gone for 3/4s of a year makes 2/3s as much.. ....

...wait

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