Poll of the Day > Conservative Black guy says Minimun Wage should '$0.00'...

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/recall-candidate-larry-elder-says-014200833.html

Do you agree with him? (Poll Question)

So he is a DINO? democrat in name only.

Arcturusisnow posted...

So he is a DINO? democrat in name only.

What makes you think he's a D?

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Paired with some manner of UBI? Absolutely. Ideally, businesses should be able to pay employees purely on the basis of value generated, without having to consider their costs of living as part of the cost of employing a person to do a job.

Without UBI? Lolno. If you want to employ a person to do a job, you need to be able to pay for that person's survival. If you can't, then you shouldn't be trying to employ them. Without defining a minimum wage, the entire employee market is dragged down to the lowest standard of living any of them is willing to accept, which is just bad for everyone except the employer.

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What a person would give up to have a second in the spotlight.

Clench281 posted...

What makes you think he's a D?

ah you are right. It took me several articles but I finally found one that said he is a conservative talk radio host. My bad.

Nobody cares what Uncle Tom says.

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Arcturusisnow posted...

ah you are right. It took me several articles but I finally found one that said he is a conservative talk radio host. My bad.

California gubernatorial recall candidate Larry Elder slammed the state's minimum wage on Tuesday, saying it should be much lower: zero.

The conservative radio-host-turned-Newsom-challenger

First two sentences of TC's article.

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Depends what is meant by minimum wage

We're approaching a point where basal work is so valueless that it's almost a cost saving measure for the government to just pay people to stay home... but then no work gets done

There's some labour that's SO valueless that you'd have to PAY to do it just for the employer to break even.

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For somebody whos never run a business to tell business people ... Im going to jack up your price of labor, and youre going to deal with it, to me, its offensive, Elder also said during the interview, adding later, "Why two people who are adults cant determine what the price of labor ought to be, is beyond me, and why a third party feels it is his or her business to interfere with that is also beyond me."

Literally "I'm offended uwu" lol

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adjl posted...

First two sentences of TC's article.

Well that's what I get for reading fast. Wah Wah.

You lose 16 points.

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So slavery?

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

So slavery?

It's hilarious Mr. Elder hasn't realized this.

https://i.imgur.com/mgS8kRh.jpg
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adjl posted...

First two sentences of TC's article.

It's the first word of the topic title

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Which of these is slavery:

A) a free person gets paid $0.00 for their work

B) an OWNED person is forced to work, but they get paid $18.50/hr or whatever is nice... and free dental

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I bet this guy is a big fan of "company stores"

Because we haven't tried shit like this before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Wars

Man says thing! News!

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Lokarin posted...

Which of these is slavery:

A) a free person gets paid $0.00 for their work

B) an OWNED person is forced to work, but they get paid $18.50/hr or whatever is nice... and free dental

How is B owned?

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

How is B owned?

Its not standard, but slaves might sometimes be given pay or an allowance. This would most likely be the case if you were working for a family in the city, as opposed to being on a plantation or farm.

They were still slaves as they still lacked the freedom to legally leave their positions or any other legal rights.

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He's just trolling for attention

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Blighboy posted...

Its not standard, but slaves might sometimes be given pay or an allowance. This would most likely be the case if you were working for a family in the city, as opposed to being on a plantation or farm.

They were still slaves as they still lacked the freedom to legally leave their positions or any other legal rights.

Is this situation at all similar to what we have now in modern America?

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Clench281 posted...

It's the first word of the topic title

It is, but I presumed he wanted a source saying it, rather than relying entirely on TC's assessment.

JOExHIGASHI posted...

So slavery?

Technically not, since employment at that wage would still be voluntary, but that's about the only point that compares favourably.

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EvilMegas posted...

Nobody cares about what Uncle Tom says.

First thing: Why is this considered a racial slur? Has anyone read that book? Uncle Tom was a sweet, devoutly religious guy.
Second thing: Reported for using what everyone else sees as a racial slur.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

How is B owned?

yaknow, like a pet... you still feed your pets

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Lokarin posted...

yaknow, like a pet... you still feed your pets

Your pets are forced to work and get paid a nice hourly wage and free dental?

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

First thing: Why is this considered a racial slur?

I dont think it is a slur

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It's kinda borderline. Consider that the term would never be used to describe anyone other than a black person saying such things. It does refer to specific attitudes/behaviours (specifically, being happy/content to be a slave and undermining the efforts of those that aren't), rather than race, but there's a very strong racial element to its use that I can agree inches into slur territory.

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EvilMegas posted...

Nobody cares about what Uncle Tom says.

there's something very funny about white people calling black people uncle toms for not being democrats.

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It's a weird thing to get up in arms about if you're not black lol

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he not wrong. essential jobs should be rewarded with smiles.

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Well commission based contract work is basically 0$/hr min wage. Most sales do require employees to be paid a base pay even if they don't sell anything but they can have a draw system where if you don't sell enough, you go into draw and that money is taken from any future sales you make (Sears used to be like that).

In effect you are being paid $0/hr, even if you do get a base pay for a paycheck, unless you NEVER sell anything in which case they will fire you.

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a black guy calling for literal slavery

conservative politics are wild to me

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ssj4supervegeta posted...

there's something very funny about white people calling black people uncle toms for not being democrats.

Are you calling EvilMegas white?
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EvilMegas posted...

Nobody cares about what Uncle Tom says.

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"Conservative black guy" is a pretty fucking racist way to describe him.

adjl posted...

Paired with some manner of UBI? Absolutely. Ideally, businesses should be able to pay employees purely on the basis of value generated, without having to consider their costs of living as part of the cost of employing a person to do a job.

Without UBI? Lolno. If you want to employ a person to do a job, you need to be able to pay for that person's survival. If you can't, then you shouldn't be trying to employ them. Without defining a minimum wage, the entire employee market is dragged down to the lowest standard of living any of them is willing to accept, which is just bad for everyone except the employer.

In the absence of socialism and other government systems which fuck up the economy, if a job doesn't pay enough to support workers, those jobs go unfilled and the employers are forced to raise wages or find an alternative.

adjl posted...

Without defining a minimum wage, the entire employee market is dragged down to the lowest standard of living any of them is willing to accept, which is just bad for everyone except the employer.

If that idiotic assumption was correct, then all jobs would pay the minimum wage. The fact that some jobs pay far more than the minimum wage wrecks that idea. However, at the lowest end, the minimum effectively creates a wage monopoly so you have *less* competition on wages where workers have bargaining power because everybody just goes with that number and, the ones who can't -- who, in the absence of government obstruction, might be able to hire less-capable workers at a lower rate they could afford to pay -- are just out of luck, as are those less-capable workers who are priced out of the market (which includes vulnerable populations who can't find work... and then who are either forced to rely on government programs (if they can), or wind up being homeless (if they can't get the government programs))

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

First thing: Why is this considered a racial slur? Has anyone read that book? Uncle Tom was a sweet, devoutly religious guy.

I believe it has to do with how later stage play adaptations depicted the character.

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LinkPizza posted...

Are you calling EvilMegas white?

He's only white on the inside

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Zeus posted...

The fact that some jobs pay far more than the minimum wage wrecks that idea.

Not remotely. Jobs that pay more than minimum wage do so because they feel the need to compete for workers that are able to do them. Jobs that pay minimum wage, however, would generally be paying less if they could legally get away with it, thanks entirely to the fact that they aren't competing for workers and there are workers out there willing to settle for lower wages (since making a little money is better than making no money at all).

If anything, the fact that any job pays minimum wage conclusively validates that idea.

Zeus posted...

In the absence of socialism and other government systems which f*** up the economy, if a job doesn't pay enough to support workers, those jobs go unfilled and the employers are forced to raise wages or find an alternative.

Government programs are generally a very good idea, though (since they mean people don't immediately starve when they're out of work). The fact that employers paying minimum wage rely on welfare to subsidize their workforce is indeed a problem, but it's one that can be solved by either mandating a livable minimum wage (cutting down on welfare requirements and ultimately creating opportunities for tax breaks that can offset the increased wages (not that corporations paying $0 in taxes care about further tax breaks >.>)), or by implementing a livable UBI so employers don't have to pay any wages at all to ensure their workforce's survival (increasing welfare requirements and creating a need for tax increases, which would be offset by dramatically reducing wages for corporations relying largely on minimum-wage work).

The current system of straddling between those two ideas is indeed rather awkward and doesn't work very well. One of them, however, needs to exist. The power imbalance between employers and employees demands that, as does the need for supports for those that have fallen on hard times in some capacity or another. You can't simply get rid of both welfare and minimum wage laws and hope for the best.

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Zeus posted...

the ones who can't -- who, in the absence of government obstruction, might be able to hire less-capable workers at a lower rate they could afford to pay -- are just out of luck

If you can't afford to pay your workers minimum wage (which isn't even a living wage in the US), you are probably either extremely greedy or a terrible businessperson who deserves to fail. Or both.

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Minimun Wage should '$0.00'

Volunteering and Internships are things that exist.

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Yes, that's what this country needs. Literal slave wages.

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guy obviously reads Thomas Sowell lmao

black conservatives are objectively hilarious and sad

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EvilMegas posted...

Nobody cares about what Uncle Tom says.

I like how whenever a black guy has an opinion that doesn't line up with what his liberal "saviors" tell his people to think he's the racist one against his own people and not the (often not black) guy telling him how to think and feel as if he's too incompetent or unintelligent to form his own thoughts.

Joe Biden getting away with his "if you don't vote for me you ain't black" bullshit should have shown me how easy it is for people to overlook it though.

Ah another one.
ReturnOfFa posted...

black conservatives are objectively hilarious and sad

Yeah, how dare they not be grateful and lick the feet of the libs who do oh so much for them, how rude of them to think for themselves.

Reigning_King posted...

I like how whenever a black guy has an opinion that doesn't line up with what his liberal "saviors" tell his people to think he's the racist one against his own people and not the (often not black) guy telling him how to think and feel as if he's too incompetent or unintelligent to form his own thoughts.

Joe Biden getting away with his "if you don't vote for me you ain't black" bullshit should have shown me how easy it is for people to overlook it though.

Ah another one.

Yeah, how dare they not be grateful and lick the feet of the libs who do oh so much for them, how rude of them to think for themselves.

??? I don't expect anyone to lick the feet of the libs, I do not like liberals. Conservatives like Candace Owens are hilarious, because they mock others for 'weaponizing their identity' while literally doing so regularly. Whereas old school Conservatives like Thomas Sowell are simply oldschool. They ate up Reaganomics and don't give a shit for their fellow man after they lucked out economically.

Biden is a stupid old racist idiot. Donald Trump is a stupid old racist idiot x10000. Believe me, we've already seen everyone 'overlook' this shit forever. Your fixation on Biden is from a typical Conservative inability to look in a fucking mirror.

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Reigning_King posted...

I like how whenever a black guy has an opinion

you need to shut up dude

youre acting embarrassingly ignorant. Someone should have taught you better but its not too late for you to be better than that.

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Reigning_King posted...

Yeah, how dare they not be grateful and lick the feet of the libs who do oh so much for them, how rude of them to think for themselves.

She's definitely 'thinking for herself', right???

XD

https://youtu.be/RJ6p2LgbYRQ

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Mead posted...

you need to shut up dude

youre acting embarrassingly ignorant. Someone should have taught you better but its not too late for you to be better than that.

Your go to response is always to tell me to shut up. You're free to argue if you want but since you clearly can't you yell "shut up!" like a petulant child as if that has ever once in the history of the world proven someone right.

Grow up or stop responding to my posts with your worthless drivel.

Reigning_King posted...

Your go to response is always to tell me to shut up. You're free to argue if you want but since you clearly can't you yell "shut up!" like a petulant child as if that has ever once in the history of the world proven someone right.

Grow up or stop responding to my posts with your worthless drivel.

you literally started posting here in a confrontational way

deal with it

also you picked the easier rebuttal. lmao

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