Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 14: Forced to Finish the Fight: The Finale: Final Mix Vol. 2

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Samurai7 posted...

I actually don't really have an opinion narcan. But equating the two seems really silly when there is obvious differences that fundamentally change how they affect others and not just the individual. Some one on drugs could kill those around them just like someone who gets a DUI could've caused a car accident that kills innocents. Or an alcoholic is more likely to abuse their domestic partner. But it isn't inherently part of taking the drug or drinking. They could also OD home alone doing nothing. It is impossible for someone not vaccinated to never be in a situation where they potentially contribute to the crisis. Unless I suppose the unvaccinated person never sees another living soul for the rest of their life

Someone said they didn't think someone whose life could be lost should be given treatment if they needed it because they did not make the right choice in life. I asked if that applied to also overdosing which is also a controversial topic.

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Corrik7 posted...

Someone said they didn't think someone whose life could be lost should be given treatment if they needed it because they did not make the right choice in life. I asked if that applied to also overdosing which is also a controversial topic.

No. He said anyone who denied science and the vaccine shouldn't get a hospital bed.

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Samurai7 posted...

No. He said anyone who denied science and the vaccine shouldn't get a hospital bed.

So made a wrong choice in life. Yeah.

How would you even be able to differentiate who was a denier and who didn't get it for another reason? Check their social media lol?

Hold on! Hold on! Hold on! Pull up this guy's Facebook first and parse their posts!

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Corrik7 posted...

So made a wrong choice in life. Yeah.

How would you even be able to differentiate who was a denier and who didn't get it for another reason? Check their social media lol?

Hold on! Hold on! Hold on! Pull up this guy's Facebook first and parse their posts!

Someone who is in jail for murder also made the wrong choice. What is this terrible equivalency thing you're doing? It makes it seem like you're really going through mental gymnastics. Not all wrong choices are the same degree of wrong. He gave a specific choice. You just can't equate that to any other wrong choice you want.

"He just stole a piece of gum. I think that should be a fine."

"OH so you think someone who touches a little kid should also get a fine? He also just made a poor choice! "

Herpa derp

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Samurai7 posted...

Someone who is in jail for murder also made the wrong choice. What is this terrible equivalency thing you're doing? It makes it seem like you're really going through mental gymnastics. Not all wrong choices are the same degree of wrong. He gave a specific choice. You just can't equate that to any other wrong choice you want.

"He just stole a piece of gum. I think that should be a fine."

"OH so you think someone who touches a little kid should also get a fine? He also just made a poor choice! "

Herpa derp

I don't mind his position. I asked if his position was consistent with another controversial topic or if he drew an imaginary line where he decides human lives matter or not.

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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographics-trends

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Corrik7 posted...

I don't mind his position. I asked if his position was consistent with another controversial topic or if he drew an imaginary line where he decides human lives matter or not.

Ok. But every moral decision is an imaginary line. So your focus on making it sound like his imaginary line is arbitrary is disingenuous.

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Havent been in one of these in a while! I know people get upset very easily when comparing Covid to the flu. Covid is way more serious than the flu. However, looking back, should people have been wearing masks and been as vaccination-persuasive for the flu? If yes, what stopped it from happening? If no, why not?

Mask slackers!

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Samurai7 posted...

Ok. But every moral decision is an imaginary line. So your focus on making it sound like his imaginary line is arbitrary is disingenuous.

It sounds politically motivated and barbaric imo. About 40% of America is not vaccinated. Saying if they are sick and need hospital assistance they should be denied a bed seems extremely messed up to me. I can't think of many scenarios where I am thinking that I would be okay with fellow Americans being offed for making a decision that is completely their own to make legally. How much are these people truly denying science and actually just following people they trust's opinions? The issue has become political when it shouldn't have. Just like the big influx on denying anti-vaxxers tests and hospital beds, initially sprung up in regards to what to do if LACKING beds and having to choose one or the other based on which is more likely to survive, came from the Candace Owens situation where she was denied a covid test by a facility SUPPOSEDLY because she was anti-vaccination... which let Candace then use that to spring board to more people her ideas anyways.

It just seems anti-american, anti-human life, and barbaric and disgusting to me. Even ResetERA who regularly is cheering on anti-vaxxers of other parties getting covid and/or dying, generally has people being like wait a minute... denying beds to people who are sick who didn't get vaccinated is kind of inhumane. And, they are hella extremist. It's such a far and wide take.

I feel like the teams people play in this has gotten sick at some point. Look at sorryantivaxxer.com where people who were anti-vaccination have their social media posts displayed when they die from the disease. At some point, it isn't hoping that they will come around and get vaccinated but actually relishing in their suffering for being poorly directed to the right choice and/or our governments lack of teeth to get the vaccine mandated as it needs to be.

And, figuring the African-American population is by far the least vaccinated group in America... I think if a Republican said this in return, many of you with that info might even say that call is racist in reverse. But, I mean, I dunno. I am strongly strongly strongly pro-vaccines. But, I am hella not fuck them I hope they die status.

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I mean if you need to deny anti-vaxxers beds to make room for vaccinated people it sounds like the vaccine isn't working very well >_>

also people get medical treatment if they get in an accident driving drunk or get injured carrying out a mass shooting. Anti-vaxxers aren't on that level at least

I'm not anti-vax in the slightest btw and find them mostly dumb and annoying but some pro-vaxxers are trying really hard to be even worse

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Sunroof posted...

Havent been in one of these in a while! I know people get upset very easily when comparing Covid to the flu. Covid is way more serious than the flu. However, looking back, should people have been wearing masks and been as vaccination-persuasive for the flu? If yes, what stopped it from happening? If no, why not?

Corrik7 posted...

It sounds politically motivated and barbaric imo. About 40% of America is not vaccinated. Saying if they are sick and need hospital assistance they should be denied a bed seems extremely messed up to me. I can't think of many scenarios where I am thinking that I would be okay with fellow Americans being offed for making a decision that is completely their own to make legally. How much are these people truly denying science and actually just following people they trust's opinions? The issue has become political when it shouldn't have. Just like the big influx on denying anti-vaxxers tests and hospital beds, initially sprung up in regards to what to do if LACKING beds and having to choose one or the other based on which is more likely to survive, came from the Candace Owens situation where she was denied a covid test by a facility SUPPOSEDLY because she was anti-vaccination... which let Candace then use that to spring board to more people her ideas anyways.

It just seems anti-american, anti-human life, and barbaric and disgusting to me. Even ResetERA who regularly is cheering on anti-vaxxers of other parties getting covid and/or dying, generally has people being like wait a minute... denying beds to people who are sick who didn't get vaccinated is kind of inhumane. And, they are hella extremist. It's such a far and wide take.

I feel like the teams people play in this has gotten sick at some point. Look at sorryantivaxxer.com where people who were anti-vaccination have their social media posts displayed when they die from the disease. At some point, it isn't hoping that they will come around and get vaccinated but actually relishing in their suffering for being poorly directed to the right choice and/or our governments lack of teeth to get the vaccine mandated as it needs to be.

And, figuring the African-American population is by far the least vaccinated group in America... I think if a Republican said this in return, many of you with that info might even say that call is racist in reverse. But, I mean, I dunno. I am strongly strongly strongly pro-vaccines. But, I am hella not fuck them I hope they die status.

This is a really long post arguing a point I've never made or subscribed to. I made no statement about whether a person with covid should get a bed based on vaccination. The only argument I made is that trying to make narcan and vaccination analogous was pretty ridiculous. If you made this post for Raiden that's fine. The only thing I found annoying was creating false equivalenci.

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Samurai7 posted...

This is a really long post arguing a point I've never made or subscribed to. I made no statement about whether a person with covid should get a bed based on vaccination. The only argument I made is that trying to make narcan and vaccination analogous was pretty ridiculous. If you made this post for Raiden that's fine. The only thing I found annoying was creating false equivalenci.

It is for Raiden's take, and it is not a false equivalency. Defend your actual stances with substance and stop trying to debase the questioning and counter argument by trying to debase the questioning and arguing rather than supporting your own opinion.

It is hard to say you support a humans basic rights. It is hard to say you support humanity. It is hard to say you are against the death penalty. It is hard to say you are for rehabilitation. When your stance is essentially, that 40% of Americans if sick and need hospitalization to survive should be given a death sentence by being refused medical help, at odds with the base Hippocratic Oath every doctor is sworn to.

We can spend 20 posts calling me dumb and saying the equivalency is false or there is no comparison to try and get out of defending that take, but the point stands that the values espoused in many arguments evaporated entirely for this stance.

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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1436051653803794432
About time. Let's go.

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Wow, very pleasantly surprised

Also
https://twitter.com/HeidiNBC/status/1436054816313257993

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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1436075619935207434

So much this

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Not legal thanks to the precedent of allowing companies to have the rights of a person under the 14th amendment.

It's gonna be done through OSHA. Who already does fine companies for not adhering to safety standards.

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As usual, regional trends are all a bit different. Lots of the south and California have seen case numbers decline for a few weeks. Here in Virginia they've plateaued with positivity rate dropping some. Places like New York, Massachusetts and Washington are at peaks now and will probably plateau at much lower relative figures than in the South. States like Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas are still getting crushed, though.

The overall trend has been a small drop in cases nationally with seemingly little effect from Labor Day aside from the disruption in reporting it caused.

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Recent national numbers have actually become hard to judge as Florida has been back-reporting cases/deaths by a week and a half to two weeks for a couple months now. Every day in that period could be missing 10-20k cases and hundreds of deaths.

It was a genius method by Florida to make it continually seem like they were continually over the COVID hump when in fact they were in the middle of their worst wave of the pandemic.

I believe that policy has only been on deaths, and the illusion has fallen away as days in August and September now clearly have more deaths reported than in any previous wave. But I agree that recent death report data is useless for Florida.

Hospitalizations and cases which don't really have such a lag are declining at a similar pace to a few other Southern states.

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Nope, they've been doing it on cases as well. The trendline through august was continually pointing down.

I mean, they are probably actually down from the peak now, but the extent to which they are over continues to be misleading.

It was definitely not pointing down through August. I distinctly remember multiple days of fresh reports of Florida hitting record high case number all through that month.

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Esuriat posted...

It was definitely not pointing down through August. I distinctly remember multiple days of fresh reports of Florida hitting record high case number all through that month.

One of the larger reported days was actually an error where it was meant to be a bunch of cases spread throughout a week but was input as a single day.

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When is this Osha Vaccine Mandate finally going to be unveiled and go into effect. = /

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Got my first shot last Thursday. Other than a sore arm the next day I haven't had any side effects

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bump

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When is the osha mandate coming out

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Corrik7 posted...

When is the osha mandate coming out

"soon"


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MZero posted...

Got my first shot last Thursday. Other than a sore arm the next day I haven't had any side effects

spoke too soon. Got some chest pain after that and possible heart inflammation. Not getting the second shot so I hope one was good enough!

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"guys i totally stopped trolling years ago"

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The hand becomes no different from what it creates.

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Boosters are now approved for all vaccines (with mix and match also allowed)

Anyone 18+ who got J&J first can now get any booster. Boosters for people who got Pfizer or Moderna first are still restricted to those 65+ or whom are at high risk (really hope they expand this to all adults soon...)

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I hope they do too.

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Approved by the FDA, that is. I dont think youll be able to get it until CDC weighs in.

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speaking of, I did get my pfizer booster a week ago (since I have a high risk job)(teacher)

once again, no serious side effects

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I'd imagine the mRNA boosters for gen pop would start in a few weeks, which would be 6 months from when they were initially opened up to everyone (at least where I am).

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Seanchan posted...

I'd imagine the mRNA boosters for gen pop would start in a few weeks, which would be 6 months from when they were initially opened up to everyone (at least where I am).

I'm not quite so optimistic; my impression is that some of the people making these decisions think that boosters for people at (relatively) low risk are a bad use of resources compared to getting more people newly vaccinated (either in the US or abroad) and are letting that affect their decisionmaking, even though those considerations should be outside of their purview (whether the boosters are safe+beneficial to the individual patient).

(Also if those doses aren't used for boosters they're probably not actually going to be sent abroad anyway and supply is not at all the constraint on getting more Americans their first doses).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

I'm not quite so optimistic; my impression is that some of the people making these decisions think that boosters for people at (relatively) low risk are a bad use of resources compared to getting more people newly vaccinated (either in the US or abroad) and are letting that affect their decisionmaking, even though those considerations should be outside of their purview (whether the boosters are safe+beneficial to the individual patient).

(Also if those doses aren't used for boosters they're probably not actually going to be sent abroad anyway and supply is not at all the constraint on getting more Americans their first doses).

Give it a few weeks, when a new wave starts up in the north east and they'll suddenly change their tune and start a push to "get a booster for the holidays".

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I figure I'll get a booster at the 9 month mark after my first dose. So that'll be early-to-mid January. I guess if I get offered it sooner that's fine (it's not dangerous) but I haven't seen any evidence to support an earlier regimen.

Also I'm getting a flu shot on November 3rd.

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On Friday I got my booster 6+ months after J and J. I got Pfizer this time. The next day I felt a little tired and had a four hour stretch where I felt miserable with a 101 fever. Feel great today.

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Got my booster a couple weeks ago. It hit me somewhat hard but I was still able to work the next day. Pfizer for all my doses.

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We tried Walgreens and it was a disaster. We made appointments and went in and the place was swarmed and no one really knew what was going on. They rejected our insurance (??) and we had to leave. The people couldn't help us and they tried to get rid of us quickly because of the crowd waiting behind us. When we called insurance to see what happened, they called Walgreens and it turns out Walgreens deleted our appointments. Not sure if it was a glitch or someone did it manually.

An hour later I was at CVS and it was very well streamlined. Check in online, wait in line (for 30 minutes, but, that's really not a big deal), get the jab (they were doing two at a time). I didn't wait the 15 minutes in the store. No one really did aside from an old guy.

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Today the FDA votes on kids getting the vaccine. Next week it goes to the CDC.

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