Board 8 > Activision Blizzard being sued California for a toxic work environment.

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UshiromiyaEva
07/21/21 9:41:59 PM
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I wanted more in the title, but can only fit so much.

It is significantly worse than you can imagine.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1418003549133361156?s=20

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Sorozone
07/21/21 9:53:36 PM
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KamikazePotato
07/21/21 9:55:52 PM
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Hoooooly shit.

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RikkuAlmighty
07/21/21 10:05:59 PM
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Oh hey, this is my line of work (employment defense) in the state I work at. I should read this Complaint.

Before reading it, however, I will say complaints are just bare allegations. I've seen all sorts of crazy shit alleged that is almost never true, at worst usually a misunderstanding. It's rare I get a client actually harboring overt discriminatory or otherwise oppressive workplaces.

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ninkendo
07/21/21 10:09:21 PM
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UshiromiyaEva
07/21/21 10:15:42 PM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Oh hey, this is my line of work (employment defense) in the state I work at. I should read this Complaint.

Before reading it, however, I will say complaints are just bare allegations. I've seen all sorts of crazy shit alleged that is almost never true, at worst usually a misunderstanding. It's rare I get a client actually harboring overt discriminatory or otherwise oppressive workplaces.

This was filed after a 2 year investigation.

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kevwaffles
07/21/21 10:29:26 PM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Oh hey, this is my line of work (employment defense) in the state I work at. I should read this Complaint.

Before reading it, however, I will say complaints are just bare allegations. I've seen all sorts of crazy shit alleged that is almost never true, at worst usually a misunderstanding. It's rare I get a client actually harboring overt discriminatory or otherwise oppressive workplaces.

How many of your cases involved suicide at a company function?
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Paratroopa1
07/21/21 10:51:00 PM
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I was prepared for this to be pretty bad and it's worse than I thought it would be
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UshiromiyaEva
07/21/21 10:51:30 PM
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Yeah that why I didn't TLDR anything.

Really needs to be read.

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ninkendo
07/21/21 11:07:22 PM
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Mac Arrowny
07/21/21 11:13:20 PM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Oh hey, this is my line of work (employment defense) in the state I work at. I should read this Complaint.

Before reading it, however, I will say complaints are just bare allegations. I've seen all sorts of crazy shit alleged that is almost never true, at worst usually a misunderstanding. It's rare I get a client actually harboring overt discriminatory or otherwise oppressive workplaces.

So your job is to defend corporations from employees who accuse them of mistreatment, and you've found that corporations are the good guys and the employees are never actually mistreated...?
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GranzonEx
07/21/21 11:14:15 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
So your job is to defend corporations from employees who accuse them of mistreatment, and you've found that corporations are the good guys and the employees are never actually mistreated...?
it's good pay

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GANON1025
07/21/21 11:16:39 PM
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KamikazePotato
07/21/21 11:20:59 PM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
This was filed after a 2 year investigation.
A 2 year investigation, conducted by the state of California, against a company where high-level people over the last year have been quietly resigning

Not sure if I should believe in that or believe that theres no way yet another gaming company has a toxic bro culture

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Johnbobb
07/21/21 11:41:33 PM
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...guessing Jeff Kaplan leaving Blizzard back in April might not have been coincidence

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KingButz
07/21/21 11:43:59 PM
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Oh man a certain someone on this board will have a field day with this.
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Mobilezoid
07/21/21 11:45:31 PM
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KingButz posted...
Oh man a certain someone on this board will have a field day with this.
I saw the topic was made by a U user and was ready to roll my eyes at another Blizzard rant. Turns out it was a different U user and this is legit awful

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RikkuAlmighty
07/21/21 11:53:55 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
So your job is to defend corporations from employees who accuse them of mistreatment, and you've found that corporations are the good guys and the employees are never actually mistreated...?
Hi, good job twisting my words.

This DFEH complaint is 2 years into an investigation, a different situation from most single plaintiff claims against your standard employers. I probably spoke too soon by giving my insight on employment defense generally before reading anything, so I guess I deserve any drive-by virtue signaling directed my way.

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StealThisSheen
07/21/21 11:55:36 PM
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I would've backed off of that one instead of going with the "virtue signaling" jab, but hey

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RikkuAlmighty
07/21/21 11:58:46 PM
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Yeah i guess I'm just a bad man whose job it is to defend always big bad companies because companies always equals Amazon/Apple/Google/etc

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Team Rocket Elite
07/22/21 12:00:32 AM
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Did you get a chance to read through the complaint? I'm still interested to hear your take on the situation.
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RikkuAlmighty
07/22/21 12:04:42 AM
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No, i just got home from work and need to put the kid down. Gimme a sec

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Bane_Of_Despair
07/22/21 12:08:57 AM
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Yes actually, a company doesn't have to be Amazon/Apple/Google/etc to be shitty. In fact there are quite a few!

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Dark Young Link
07/22/21 12:09:55 AM
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
It is significantly worse than you can imagine.


You were not wrong. I thought it was just going to be crunch culture(Which is still very bad mind you).

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RikkuAlmighty
07/22/21 12:10:52 AM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Yes actually, a company doesn't have to be Amazon/Apple/Google/etc to be shitty. In fact there are quite a few!
What point are you making here that is blowing my mind

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StealThisSheen
07/22/21 12:42:41 AM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Yeah i guess I'm just a bad man whose job it is to defend always big bad companies because companies always equals Amazon/Apple/Google/etc

I don't think anybody actually said that outside of Mac, but I'm pretty sure Mac doesn't know how to not be an asshole, so that's a big who cares.

I think the takeaway is just that it probably would have been wise to read it before coming in with "These are usually people making shit up or at worst a misunderstanding" since that post kinda looked bad given how egregious this case is.

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Nanis23
07/22/21 1:00:23 AM
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The "the male got promoted instead of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!" sounds like a crybaby bitching and not a valid complaint. There are more ways to gauge a workers besides how many campaigns they make.

Everything else is pretty horrible

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Bane_Of_Despair
07/22/21 1:11:16 AM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
What point are you making here that is blowing my mind
oh no point I just thought it was weird how overly defensive you were getting. And seconding what Sheen said

And wow hot damn this topic got even worse

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Nanis23
07/22/21 1:40:21 AM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
And wow hot damn this topic got even worse
Dude just put me in your ignore list. It's clear you don't like me

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scarletspeed7
07/22/21 1:41:46 AM
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And here I thought Warcraft III would be the worst thing Blizzard employees ever did.

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ninkendo
07/22/21 2:01:37 AM
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Some corporate drone died because of us? Oh, boo hoo! Who cares! Look at how much value weve created for shareholders! Get your priorities straight!

Bobby Kotick right now

Probably

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Isquen
07/22/21 2:01:56 AM
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Skimmed a bunch of the docket, will look in its entirety (I used to be do paralegal work in criminal, not civil) more in depth at work, but one thing to play devil's advocate: "playing video games on company time" is kind of weak when said video games are what your company produces.

That sexual misconduct, though, appears heavily substantial, and is unforgivable.

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CoolCly
07/22/21 2:37:14 AM
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that response from Blizz is coming on REAL strong

like, they would need to come out looking exceptionally clean with absolutely no examples of wrong doing ever for that not to be extremely ego driven. its possible the claims are overstated, but that wouldn't be nearly enough to justify that response....

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UshiromiyaEva
07/22/21 2:40:55 AM
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Someone forgot to tell the Blizzard guys that directly insulting the investigators just makes you look more guilty.

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Shadow Dino
07/22/21 2:43:40 AM
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Using the classic GOP talking point of "This is why businesses are fleeing California" in their response also makes them look more guilty.

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Nanis23
07/22/21 3:43:36 AM
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Nanis23 posted...
The "the male got promoted instead of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!" sounds like a crybaby bitching and not a valid complaint. There are more ways to gauge a workers besides how many campaigns they make.
To elaborate, and I will give my job as an example

Wage difference can be a factor of many things and automatically assuming "she earned less because she is female" is wrong
As a System Administrator that got promoted from a Helpdesk support agent I can tell you that wage difference be be caused from those reasons as well - among others I do not list
1.My initial wage I requested was extermely low (like, minimum wage low)
2.I started off as a outsource worker
3.I didn't ask for raises
4.Inflation cause new workers to earn/ask for more money over the years
Combine all those and I am still getting paid less than a Helpdesk Support Agent in the same organization

As for "the male got promoted instead of me"
Helpdesk support agents are being gauged by -
1.The amount of tickets they close
2.How people are satisfied by their service

Now you know me I am not the nicest person around so yeah..I didn't get enough good feedbacks. But I am with much more technology knowledge than the other helpdesk agents and I got promoted
I also didn't have a high amount of closed tickets because I was assigned for "harder" problems they couldn't fix

So imagine this scenario-
A female helpdesk support agent complains that I got promoted instead of her
She states that she has more positive feedbacks than I do and also close a lot more tickets and the only reason I got promoted instead of her is because of gender discrimination. She doesn't state the fact that she doesn't have a good technical knowledge.
Now you paint this picture, add fuel to the (justified) fire that there actually is a gender discrimination in the company, and suddenly nobody ever cares about checking the facts and just assume that this is really caused by a gender discrimination

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red13n
07/22/21 4:05:16 AM
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I see Nani's is talking without reading and comprehending the thing he is talking about.

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Nanis23
07/22/21 4:26:15 AM
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red13n posted...
I see Nani's is talking without reading and comprehending the thing he is talking about.
Excatly the opposite.
The female in question is a opportunist who takes advantage of the situation and I don't tolerate this

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red13n
07/22/21 4:29:13 AM
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red13n posted...
I see Nani's is talking without reading and comprehending the thing he is talking about.


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Lightning Strikes
07/22/21 4:30:19 AM
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This is absolutely horrible and frankly I hope the courts get everything theyre worth out of them.

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Mr Lasastryke
07/22/21 4:36:24 AM
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Nanis23 posted...
Excatly the opposite.
The female in question is a opportunist who takes advantage of the situation and I don't tolerate this

why are you so confident that the female in question not getting the promotion has nothing to do with sexism

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DoomTheGyarados
07/22/21 4:38:47 AM
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The female

Lol

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ninkendo
07/22/21 5:01:31 AM
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Nanis23
07/22/21 5:24:40 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
why are you so confident that the female in question not getting the promotion has nothing to do with sexism
You know what, you are right. I shouldn't be. But why assuming that it is sexism given 5 lines ot text is acceptable?

Just to clarify - I do not defend Blizzard and I do not defend the other complaints, just this one
The "Frat boy" screenshot and the suicide one are horrible

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RikkuAlmighty
07/22/21 5:57:52 AM
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read the complaint

yeah this is bad. i actually have a friend who works at blizzard and used to work with a girl who was part of their legal team for a couple years. wonder what their thoughts are.

but i will maintain my original post that this is an unusual employment case compared to individuals bringing their own claims, even through the aid of a plaintiff's attorney.

part of me wonders what the story is behind kaplan's sudden departure.

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Lightning Strikes
07/22/21 6:02:23 AM
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I would go as far as to say that of all the complaints in the industry that I personally have seen over the years, this is the worst one. Just shut that place down.

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Nanis23
07/22/21 6:27:17 AM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Nanis needs to stop being dumb
Fixed lmao

(Someone had to do it, might as well be me!)

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kevwaffles
07/22/21 7:17:48 AM
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RikkuAlmighty posted...
Nanis needs to stop being dumb

Yeah good luck with that.
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LinkMarioSamus
07/22/21 8:33:31 AM
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A slow-motion trainwreck, wow.

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redrocket
07/22/21 11:50:28 AM
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Just one step closer to the Crash.

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