Board 8 > MCU General 3: Loki Loki Panic

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Turns out the true what-if was that there was currently a queen of England which in turn inspired Peggy to stay in the room

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England doesnt need to have a queen at the time to reference Peggy being one.

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No, but it did jar a bit with me at the time

Mostly because it's a terrible line queen or not, with terrible delivery. And then after that I thought about the historical inaccuracy


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redrocket posted...

England doesnt need to have a queen at the time to reference Peggy being one.

I mean clearly there's a vacancy she can fill

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Honestly I didn't even realize it was actually Sebastian Stan in that episode, the voice acting was so bad.

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BlackDra90n posted...

Honestly I didn't even realize it was actually Sebastian Stan in that episode, the voice acting was so bad.

Yeah, I never would've guessed it was him if I didn't see his name in the credits.

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All of the voices sound weird. Like even knowing Chadwick did the VO work, it has not sounded like him in the promos.

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Its super weird how fake Chris Evans sounded more like Chris Evans than some of the actors sounded like themselves

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Yeah. I actually was like, "Oh, it's a shame they couldn't get the original actors". Then I looked it up and was like, "Oh, it's a shame they couldn't get sound-alikes that would do the job much better".

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Yeah, this is why acting and voice acting are two different fields.

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never forget Mena Suvari as Aerith in KH2

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Raka_Putra posted...

Yeah, this is why acting and voice acting are two different fields.

Yea I never really thought it would matter but this show has shown me the error of my ways

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LeonhartFour posted...

never forget Mena Suvari as Aerith in KH2

Who was somehow better than Mandy Moore.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Who was somehow better than Mandy Moore.

this is an actually unbelievable take

like you may not think Mandy Moore did a good job (I think she did) but Mena Suvari is an all-time bad performance by someone who is an actual actor

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Mena was fine, it was the direction that was the problem.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Who was somehow better than Mandy Moore.

??? Mandy Moore was much better.

I remember everyone complaining about a "pop singer" voicing Aeris, and then she ends up outperforming the actual professional actress.


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TheRock1525 posted...

Mena was fine, it was the direction that was the problem.

"great everyone's all together again"

I will remember that line for the rest of my days because of how utterly terrible and lifeless it is

that's not the direction's fault

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I remember Mandy Moore sounding she wanted to be anywhere but in the recording booth.

David Boreanaz and Billy Zane were good, though.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I remember Mandy Moore sounding she wanted to be anywhere but in the recording booth.

sounds like you're confusing her with Mena Suvari actually

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also lance bass secretly best sephiroth

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While I suspect this isn't what they were referring to, you all do know that QE2's mother was still alive during WWII right (she actually didn't die until like, 20 years ago)? England absolutely had a Queen, she just obviously wasn't the regent.

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They're both really bad. FFVIIR Aerith is only good one.

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At least Mandy Moore didn't have to worry about playing a character Kevin Spacey lusts over.

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thanks for dumping that dead fish in the middle of the topic

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Bad comics news, in case anyone here reads X-Men:

https://ew.com/books/inferno-jonathan-hickman-last-x-men-comic/

I don't know if anyone else here was reading this, but long story short: X-Men comics sucked for a long time. Marvel got one of their best writers - who had crafted long high-concept critically acclaimed arcs for Avengers and Fantastic Four - to revive the brand. It worked. He came out with the best X-Men comics in decades. He confirms in the interview that he had broad plans for a three-arc storyline. Marvel pairs him with a bunch of (hack) writers to capitalize on the event. Marvel decides to stay in "the first arc" and the good writer (Hickman) leaves.

I'm gutted

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man what the hell happened to Moira

as someone who hasnt kept up with the last like decade of comics, its really weird to see her there on the enemies poster with Mystique and Destiny

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And of course Hickman is one of the writers who recently took a deal with Substack. Definitely puts that decision in some added context!

The comics industry sucks ass, man

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Disney and Warner Bros have both really done a number on their idea houses in the last five years especially - it's pretty disheartening.

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Do Disney execs actually exercise any control over the comics?

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Only in that the restructuring of Marvel since Disney's purchase has seen the publishing division falling under executives who are also established in the other side of Marvel development - like Dan Buckley. I think readers have seen a shift from the more tried-and-true serialized story system to an IP generating farm system for potentially sellable products outside of the comic market. While that doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, it's been my experience that having an eye on what comes after the comics often leaves the comics in the dust.

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Even without tracing the executive lineage, it's just very clear when the comics industry goes for "brand synergy." It starts with tie-ins but you also see the official universes shift to match other media. And as Scarlet says, you get the sense of it being a content farm. When the Civil War movie came out, they did a Civil War 2 storyline to double dip. There's also stuff like, there was a period of time where Marvel de-emphasized X-Men and canceled the Fantastic Four ongoing, and it was suspected (and later confirmed) that this was because of the dispute with Fox over the movie rights.

This isn't even getting into the fact that the writers and artists making the stuff getting farmed into movies do not own the shit and do not get paid adequately for it. But it's related in that it makes the career path to do your time and then get promoted into the executive role to oversee all this, I can point to dudes like Geoff Johns at DC/WB as an example, unsure about Marvel.

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Marvel Comics losing talent over "creative differences" is nothing new. The upside is that they have the ability to attract most of the new talent that comes into the business by the simple fact that they're Marvel. I'm sure they'll get some really good talent on the X-Men in like 5 years or so, about the time when they might actually have room in their lineup for X-Men movies.

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

Marvel Comics losing talent over "creative differences" is nothing new. The upside is that they have the ability to attract most of the new talent that comes into the business by the simple fact that they're Marvel. I'm sure they'll get some really good talent on the X-Men in like 5 years or so, about the time when they might actually have room in their lineup for X-Men movies.

Talent being "replacable" is the entire problem and not an "upside" but, yeah, you are exactly correct about what it means for the future of Marvel and the MCU. Not to mention they don't necessarily NEED new talent since they have decades of stories to mine.

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Also I really wouldn't say that Marvel has done a good job finding new talent vis a vis their comics: I would say that most of them are in pretty bad spots right now in terms of creative and commercial acclaim. Hickman on X-Men was their really only golden goose right now.

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What If...? episode 2 was pretty freakin' awesome. Maybe it's because I really enjoyed the setting of the Guardians movies that seeing the characters in different, expanded roles was really great. It was also just kind of a fun story.

The greatest part though was seeing Thanos as a good guy Ravager. Just so bizarre, I loved it.

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This was a lot better than episode one.

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That was everything episode 1 wasn't and it was great.

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Is it just me or was Black Widow forgotten about quickly? No one's talking about it in any way and no one seems to have much in the way of strong opinions on it one way or the other.

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What's to talk about

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From what I gather, Black Widow was a decent by the books marvel movie. So I dont think theres a lot more to say about it.

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

Marvel Comics losing talent over "creative differences" is nothing new. The upside is that they have the ability to attract most of the new talent that comes into the business by the simple fact that they're Marvel. I'm sure they'll get some really good talent on the X-Men in like 5 years or so, about the time when they might actually have room in their lineup for X-Men movies.

The X-Men line languished for a good ten years after the last big name departure. And while it's true that Marvel and DC can pull in new talent with ease, the market continues to dwindle and the focus continues to lay in capitalizing on new characters and storylines through film and television. Marvel continuously trading Mark Waid and Brian Bendis-types back and forth for the last ten years or so has done very little to inject new interest into comics. Yes, there are outliers, but the market continues to stagnate and decrease in overall readership because what had worked in the past is eschewed in favor of, like Hero said, brand synergy.

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GANON1025 posted...

From what I gather, Black Widow was a decent by the books marvel movie. So I dont think theres a lot more to say about it.

True but people were talking about *Captain Marvel* more a month after its release. And not just negatively. Could arguably be because the MCU was riding momentum from Infinity War, but still.

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Captain Marvel was setting up Endgame. Black Widow is setting up the Hawkeye show.

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What if Spider-Man could have Venom in his movies?

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