Poll of the Day > TCU will no longer use 'Freshman' due to 'Gender' types

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tcu-stop-using-freshmen-first-190349035.html

Should other Colleges/Schools follow along? (Poll Question)

/eyeroll
---

So are they going to just call newcomers to that college ``fresh'' like that fictional prince of Bel-Air?
---

EclairReturns posted...

So are they going to just call newcomers to that college ``fresh'' like that fictional prince of Bel-Air?

Could just call them "frosh" like some people have for like years now.
---

Look, I see this like "human" or "woman" in that they derive from a root meaning "person," not "male."

---

There should just be a word we can replace man with and use it if we want and avoid all these conversations.

Peo singular
Pep plural

Hell join all the freshpep as the newest freshpeo.

Entity13 posted...

Look, I see this like "human" or "woman" in that they derive from a root meaning "person," not "male."

I actually demand that fem... err, ladies stop using words like human, woman, or female to describe themselves, because man and male are our words, and you're not allowed to have them any more.

I'm taking them back, damn it.
---

what's a freshman anyway, that's a 9'er, right?

---

In Berkeley, California they are thinking of (or already have) banned words like manhole or manpower.

---

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

In Berkeley, California they are thinking of (or already have) banned words like manhole or manpower.

manpower is like horsepower... horse is a species, it's not marepower or coltpower

---

This doesnt matter

---

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

In Berkeley, California they are thinking of (or already have) banned words like manhole or manpower.

Banned? Like regular people aren't allowed to say those words any longer?

---

Man has multiple meanings, it's just using one definition in the place of the pre-agreed upon definition.
Which is dumb.

shadowsword87 posted...

Man has multiple meanings, it's just using one definition in the place of the pre-agreed upon definition.
Which is dumb.

i think people believe that having "man" as the default for all human beings is the fundamental issue. That definition of the word is problematic, according to people who have that view. Same as the issue of "Latino" being used to describe everyone, which erases the existence of women in the group (because they same word is used regardless of if they are there, whereas the existence of a single male changes the word used to "his" word, regardless of how many women there are). It's an imbalance in power, issue, for those who are concerned about that

Fam_Fam posted...

i think people believe that having "man" as the default for all human beings is the fundamental issue. That definition of the word is problematic, according to people who have that view. Same as the issue of "Latino" being used to describe everyone, which erases the existence of women in the group (because they same word is used regardless of if they are there, whereas the existence of a single male changes the word used to "his" word, regardless of how many women there are). It's an imbalance in power, issue, for those who are concerned about that

That is what peoples concern is, yes.
I think that that's dumb and you can't change words forcefully in common parlance unless you're, like, france.

Freshwomen sounds ok but I feel this whole thing wasnt necessary

---

Fam_Fam posted...

i think people believe that having "man" as the default for all human beings is the fundamental issue. That definition of the word is problematic, according to people who have that view. Same as the issue of "Latino" being used to describe everyone, which erases the existence of women in the group (because they same word is used regardless of if they are there, whereas the existence of a single male changes the word used to "his" word, regardless of how many women there are). It's an imbalance in power, issue, for those who are concerned about that

fair enough maybe... man as mankind being fratercentric 'could' be a problem (I don't see it as one)... so why not go latin and go 'sap' short for 'sapiens'. That's a saphole, and a freshsap... there's a sap born every minute

---

Sarcasthma posted...

Banned? Like regular people aren't allowed to say those words any longer?

Don't worry, no regular people actually live in Berkeley, California.
---

Lokarin posted...

fair enough maybe... man as mankind being fratercentric 'could' be a problem (I don't see it as one)... so why not go latin and go 'sap' short for 'sapiens'. That's a saphole, and a freshsap... there's a sap born every minute

Go sci-fi/fantasy and just call everyone "Hewms" or "Terrans".
---

Mead posted...

This doesnt matter

true, it doesnt

---

TCU Chancellor Victor Boschini said the change is a non-story and the campus wont be enforcing the terms used by its students.

This didn't need to be a thing, the school itself is like "Please, just let this slide as dumb college stuff and move on with your lives."

---

Clearly the words woman and women need to be changed to womyn and womin.

EclairReturns posted...

So are they going to just call newcomers to that college ``fresh'' like that fictional prince of Bel-Air?

Just call them "first-years", like pretty much every English-speaking country outside of America does.

---

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Don't worry, no regular people actually live in Berkeley, California.

Hey, I have a friend living there.

Now that I think about it, though, he's reallllly into steam locomotives.

---

User728 posted...

Clearly the words woman and women need to be changed to womyn and womin.

Just go back to wer and wyf. English had this figured out ages ago until people had to go and fuck it up.

darkknight109 posted...

Just call them "first-years", like pretty much every English-speaking country outside of America does.

This is the term I'm most familiar with, and it works fine.

---

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I actually demand that fem... err, ladies stop using words like human, woman, or female to describe themselves, because man and male are our words, and you're not allowed to have them any more.

I'm taking them back, damn it.

Your demands have no power here. >:D

---

That's a fair decision. You have to be awfully soy to think this is weird.

---

Sarcasthma posted...

Hey, I have a friend living there.

Now that I think about it, though, he's reallllly into steam locomotives.

Oh, those are awesome! I think the one on display in town here is a steam engine.

---

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

Oh, those are awesome! I think the one on display in town here is a steam engine.

You damn foamers!

---

phobia881 posted...

That's a fair decision. You have to be awfully soy to think this is weird.

Ehh, "soy" would be feeling the need for such a thing in the first place.



darkknight109 posted...

Just call them "first-years", like pretty much every English-speaking country outside of America does.

The main problem here is that it then becomes awkward if you call them first-years, but then still have Sophmore, Junior, and Senior as full titles. If you're going to do away with the one you should do away with them all.

Though I'd be entirely up for that - the framework of Freshman/Sophmore/Junior/Senior is kind of flawed anyway, because it assumes a regular progression for students in a set time-frame, and that really isn't what college is anymore. Some people take longer than four years to get their BA/BS. Some people change majors in the middle and reset all their progress - are they still Juniors because of how long they've been there, or do they go back to being Freshmen? If someone transfers from a different school and loses credits in the process (something that happened to someone I knew), do they slide backwards from Junior to Sophmore? If someone comes in with enough AP and extra credit to effectively bypass a years worth of classes, are they Freshmen because it's their first year, or Sophmores because they're more advanced in lesson planning?

Calling someone a first-year (or second-year, third-year, fourth-year, or even fifth-year, sixth-year, etc) is a more meaningful descriptor. Especially because it can remain entirely detached from the idea of where you are academically, or how much time you've got left. It's just a measure of how long you've been there.

And realistically, those titles are kind of useless in college anyway. There's more of a point to them in high school, but in college you're rarely going to have "Freshman-Only" dorms or facilities or activities or "Senior-Only" privileges. Even things like "Freshman Orientation" can easily be called "New Student Orientation" instead.
---

With all these new terms Im worried that young people are gonna forget about doing drugs and banging each other

---

Mead posted...

With all these new terms Im worried that young people are gonna forget about doing drugs and banging each other

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll still be having their rainbow parties and shoving their alcohol-soaked tampons up their butts.
---

I guess I don't have an opinion. I didn't know "freshman" was a term that was still regularly used, and definitely not one used in an official capacity. I'm pretty sure my university uses terms like "first/second/third/fourth-year students", or "students with less than 30/60/90/120 hours". On transcripts and other official forms it just says U1-5 (Undergrad 1-5 (some five-year programs exist)) or G7-9 (different kinds of graduate student). Seems like we can just move to that being universal

---

Thing is...freshman doesnt even mean male. The man is built into man and woman. So, in addition to this new idea being stupid it begin with, it is failing to achieve the goal it is seeking to achieve.

User728 posted...

Thing is...freshman doesnt even mean male. The man is built into man and woman. So, in addition to this new idea being stupid it begin with, it is failing to achieve the goal it is seeking to achieve.

luckily, it doesnt matter at all

---

User728 posted...

Thing is...freshman doesnt even mean male. The man is built into man and woman. So, in addition to this new idea being stupid it begin with, it is failing to achieve the goal it is seeking to achieve.

Its weird. Unless they are going to change the word woman, they theyre no real point o any of it...
---

Mead posted...

luckily, it doesnt matter at all

I know...its just attention-deprived people seeking that attention.

User728 posted...

I know...its just attention-deprived people seeking that attention.

it isnt even that

language and terms for things ALWAYS change. It happens constantly and isnt new. It was happening 50 years ago and it will be happening 50 years down the road. It often seems silly because it seems like someone is going after terms that youve always known, but it really is just a natural process of society.

---

Mead posted...

language and terms for things ALWAYS change. It happens constantly and isnt new. It was happening 50 years ago and it will be happening 50 years down the road. It often seems silly because it seems like someone is going after terms that youve always known, but it really is just a natural process of society.

It's literally ironic!
---

they should call them freshbitches

---

greetings my fellow fleshpersons.

---

eating4fun posted...

greetings my fellow fleshpersons.

That's prejudiced against Undead-Americans, you bigot.
---

ParanoidObsessive posted...

That's prejudiced against Undead-Americans, you bigot.

If the LDS is anything to go by, there's only ever been one undead American. And too many non-LDS worship said lich.

---

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

This is the term I'm most familiar with, and it works fine.

Except, by definition, a year is twelve months long and a freshman will take longer than that to finish their "firstyear" and now you proven you don't mind sounding like a complete dumbass.

Arcturusisnow posted...

Except, by definition, a year is twelve months long and a freshman will take longer than that to finish their "firstyear" and now you proven you don't mind sounding like a complete dumbass.

I don't think most first-years take longer than twelve months to finish their first year. Most finish in 9 months.

---

Arcturusisnow posted...

Except, by definition, a year is twelve months long and a freshman will take longer than that to finish their "firstyear" and now you proven you don't mind sounding like a complete dumbass.

what a weird thing to get totally wrong

---

Arcturusisnow posted...

Except, by definition, a year is twelve months long and a freshman will take longer than that to finish their "firstyear" and now you proven you don't mind sounding like a complete dumbass.

You might want to edit that post one more time to fix that grammatical error.

---