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KCF0107
05/28/21 5:54:40 AM
#251:


KCF0107 posted...
He is coming off of both of his Pro Bowl seasons where he has recorded a combined 132 blocks against 10 sacks.

I can't count but in case Scare is reading this, Thompson has 162 blocks against 10 sacks the past two seasons.
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ShatteredElysium
05/28/21 7:39:15 AM
#252:


Meachem was actually pretty consistent for me. Didn't put up the numbers that other teams WR1s do but as far as the Steelers WRs went he was solid

964 yards / 6 TDs
775 yards / 6 TDs
963 yards / 7 TDs
771 yards / 6 TDs
779 yards / 9 TDs

Avg 850 yards / 6.8 TDs / 11.9 YPC.

So I guess his YPC was lackluster but the Steelers only put up 2300-2500 passing yards those final 3 seasons

The WR he replaced was Chambers who put up 714 / 2 TDs, 892 / 5 TDs, 1006 / 7 TDs but never played under a scrambling QB and my offense was balanced then rather than run heavy then.

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Ranlom
05/28/21 11:15:33 AM
#253:


You need to start putting your history projects in the wiki or something.

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KCF0107
05/28/21 9:28:04 PM
#254:


Miami Dolphins

G Max Jean-Gilles (S2, 31st)
CB Antonio Cromartie (S3, 22nd)
QB Sam Keller (S3, 26th)
TE Zach Miller (S4, 15th)
WR Kenny O'Neal (S5, 31th)
DE Calais Campbell (S6, 24th)
OLB DeAndre Levy (S6, 26th)
SS Antoine Bethea (S7, 29th)
CB Joe Haden (S8, 3rd)
DT Ndamukong Suh (S8, 10th)
CB Kareem Jackson (S8, 19th)
FS Tony Jefferson (S9, 32th)
WR A.J. Green (S10, 6th)
OT Morgan Moses (S11, 10th)
DT Kawann Short (S11, 19th)
OT Ju'Wuan James (S12, 7th)
WR Odell Beckham Jr. (S12, 8th)
G Laurent Duvernay-T (S12, 11th)
OLB T.J. Watt (S13, 25th)
MLB Jordan Tripp (S13, 32nd)
OLB Marcus Golden (S14, 30th)

While unlikely to be on the Hall of Fame ballot due to a lack of accolades and block totals (he averages 37 per 16 games), Gilles is one of the premier run-blocking Gs in the league and despite four seasons of double digit sacks allowed, he has seven seasons of allowing four or fewer, which has helped him record a block:sack ratio at roughly 6. Gilles started the first 164 games of his career before missing his first game due to injury. At 35 and one of two 99 Gs in the league, he still has several years left in his career that has included three SB rings.

In the earlier seasons, I actually traded for first round picks. Three picks in Day 2 and 3 were given up to acquire the pick that became Cromartie who was the slot corner behind Chris McAlister and Antoine Winfield for many seasons before ascending to the top spot in what was the Dolphins long-awaited SB title in S8. He eventually was knocked down to the #2 spot and back to the slot last season. In what will likely be his final season, there's a chance he won't see the field depending on rookie Marlon Humphrey's rating and subsequent preseason battle. Statistically, he doesn't stand out with one Pro Bowl, 2 sacks, 20 INTs, 5 FFs, and 9 FRs in 12 seasons, but given that the Dolphins pass D truly became a force starting with his ascent to the #1 job, it stands to reason he is excellent in coverage.

The first and only QB that I have drafted for my teams, Keller is a slam dunk Hall of Famer. Keller sat behind Trent Dilfer and Kerry Collins his first two seasons. I tried trading for Matt Hasselbeck in S5, only to be rebuffed. I wanted to trade with the Chiefs (I wanted DT Ostrowski) only to not go through with it out of ethical concerns since that was a season that I was in charge of five teams, and the Chiefs were among them. Keller proceeded to have an 88.2 passer rating throwing for over 3600 yards and 27 TDs on 63% completion. Keller has gone on to win multiple QB of the Year and MVP awards while leading the league several times in passer rating, yards, and TDs. His TD:INT ratio is above 2, and his career passer rating is above 90. He's had two seasons virtually wiped out due to injury, and despite that and the two seasons he was a backup, he is second among all active QBs in passing yards and TDs having just 8 seasons of work. When this project is finished, it would be a surprise if he's not the league's greatest QB.

Because I have people send me draft strategies, I generally do not trade up during the draft out of ethical concerns even though it should be pretty apparent to all that I operate in a vacuum and march to the beat of my own drum. I can recall trading up in the draft only twice. The second was in the 4th round round. The first was during the board-draft era. I held the 19th pick and I wanted TE Zach Miller. I was very worried that the AI Saints and Steelers, who picked at 17th and 18th, would grab him. I traded up with Kora, they selected WR Meachem, and took my guy. I will absolutely bang my hand on the table for him being in the Hall of Fame. Receiving-wise, he's been good but not elite. He has five Pro Bowls to his name and a TE of the Year award and has 737 rec for 6090 yards and 34 TDs in his career. At 33 years old, he could end up with the second-most receptions in B8NFLL history. He has never missed a game in his 11 year career, and what doesn't show up on the stat sheet is that he's the league's best pass-protecting TE and among the best run-blocking ones too. TEs arguably the least impactful position in the league, but that certainly doesn't apply to Zach.

I wanted one of the many DTs expected to go in the first, but three were taken within seven picks of mine, including me taking Charles Alexander for Fenny and the Jets who didn't send me any draft plans. I received an offer to trade down, and maybe I should have, but I stayed put and selected WR O'Neal. He was stuck beyond Kelly Campbell and Andre Johnson, but he was arguably the league's best slot receiver in the league. He was eventually traded to the Steelers and all things considered, he's been nice for them with a high YPC to go along with averaging 600-ish yards and 4-ish TDs in a low-volume passing attack.

I traded DE James Hall to the Panthers for DT Marcus Stroud and I uncharacteristically did not have an heir in place for Hall. Thus, I looked hard at Calais Campbell, Doug Worthington, and Raymond Henderson before taking Calais. Campbell has been a very consistent producer in his 9 seasons. Excluding an S11 where he lost all but one game due to injury, he has averaged 9 sacks a season (73 over 8 full seasons) with nearly 3 FFs+FRs a season. He has been to four Pro Bowls and at age 31, he's on his way to having a Hall of Fame career.

One of the reasons why I prefer trading for draft picks before prospects are revealed is because I feel uneasy about doing so while people are giving me their draft plans. I traded with the Jags acquiring the 26th pick for three Day 2 and 3 picks. I had 20-something OLBs Daryl Smith and D.J. Williams already entrenched on my team, but I still took Levy for depth and to be a spot starter, which turns out was just one game in his six seasons with the Dolphins. He was traded to the Bears where he's been very good.

The selection of Bethea marked the fifth of eight 1st round selections who were drafted to be backup to begin their career. After succeeding Shaun Williams among a mass exodus of DB retirements on the team, Bethea has been one of the best coverage SSs in the league and in the past few seasons, his playmaking has seen an uptick with more tackles, sacks, INTs, and FFs+FRs than he showed in the first few seasons of his career. The Dolphins have been a SS factory (Michael Huff, Bethea, Isa Abdul-Quudus, Jaquiski Tartt), but Bethea is the one who emerged as the long-term starter for the Dolphins.

While I expect nobody to shed a tear, this offseason began the vicious cycle I was stuck on for the remainder of my Dolphins career. I couldn't afford to give all of my RFAs the highest tender, so I was the primary target of other teams in RFA, losing my top backups and using some of the draft picks to repeat the cycle over and over and over. However, the first pick of to kick off this new "era" for my team was Haden, whom I drafted after losing DT Matt Kroul to the Seahawks. Kroul was taken in the same draft as O'Neal after losing out on the 1st round DTs as I previously mentioned, so it all worked out in a way. Haden, the top-rated CB in the league, has had an excellent start to his career, helping the Dolphins perennially field a Top 5 pass D and has two Pro Bowl trips to his name while starting 111 of a possible 112 games.

Suh backed up Darwin Walker and Marcus Stroud his rookie season before ascending to a starting spot in his second. He has been an uneven pass rusher having as many as 11 and as few as 2 sacks in a season as a full-time starter, but he's been great at being disruptive and in the run game. He signed with the Vikings as a free agent and possibly became the first player to win SBs in three consecutive seasons.
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KCF0107
05/28/21 9:28:16 PM
#255:


The Dolphins were the first team to select three players in the first round of a draft (others have matched it, including the Steelers later in the same draft), and following Haden and Suh was Jackson. The Dolphins lost their top two corners to retirement and with Cromartie taking one spot, the idea was for Haden and Jackson to fight over the #2 and 3 spots. However, Jake Tyree, later renamed to Patrick Peterson, had other plans and won the slot corner job out of the preseason and proceeded to excel in that role. Jackson almost never played in Miami and finished with 2 tackles and an INT before signing with the Falcons in free agency where the pass D has mostly struggled. Again, I don't see this pick as a bust or regret it as it directly led to the ascendance of Peterson.

Fresh off their first SB title after going 0-3 in their previous trips, the Dolphins selected Ed Reed's future successor in Jefferson. After being a backup his rookie season and his second season being cut short due to injuries, Jefferson has been on fire since averaging 50 tackles, 4 INTs, and 2 FFs+FRs the past four seasons as he's made three straight trips to the Pro Bowl.

In a mutually beneficial trade with the Browns that netted them HB Mark Ingram and G Kevin Zeitler, the Dolphins selected Green who is certainly a Top 5 WR in the league. Even beginning his career as the #2 behind Kelly Campbell, Green has averaged more than 80 rec for 1000 yards and 10 TDs in his five year career, making the Pro Bowl in each season. He's clearly on a Hall of Fame trajectory and could end up with a career receiving record or two.

The Dolphins kept losing OL in RFA, so the solution was to start drafting them in the 1st round. Genius! Moses was the first of this new line of thinking, and in four seasons, he has 208 blocks against 18 sacks while allowing fewer sacks in each subsequent season (it will be tough to beat last season's 1 sack allowed). He was co-OL of the Year in S13.

I honestly forget why I had an open spot as the #2 DT, but there were multiple 1st round DTs available, and I chose Short over Fletcher Cox and Nick Fairley for schematic reasons. He started off with a bang being named Co-Defensive Rookie of the Year after recording 7 sacks and 4 FFs. He wasn't quite a disruptive in his subsequent seasons, but his run defense and pass rushing, especially the former, saw a big uptick in the following seasons as he emerged as one of the best DTs in the league. He was not re-signed after his rookie contract ran out and is one of the prizes of free agency.

The second OL taken in the closing years of my time in Miami, James, a real-life Dolphin 1st rounder, has been great in Miami after increasing his block total each season thus far. He has allowed more sacks than previous Dolphin LTs, but he's one of the premier run blocking OTs in the league and still has put up 176 blocks against 17 sacks in his three seasons.

Beckham Jr. started off his career with a bang being named co-Offensive Rookie of the Year, but injuries have derailed the past two seasons where he has put up a combined 89 rec for 1163 yards and 8 TDs as the #2 opposite Green while playing in 17 of 32 games.

My final first round pick for Miami, Duvernay has been one of the league's best Gs despite being a backup to open up his first season and losing most of S13 due to injury. In three seasons, he has 139 blocks against 14 sacks allowed. An interior OL having a block:sack ratio of around 10 is almost unheard of.

Long-time OLBs Daryl Smith and D.J. Williams retired while MLB Paul Worrilow became a free agent, leaving the Dolphins with all starting LB jobs up for grabs. They had recent 2nd round pick Jatavis Bryant ready to take one spot, but the other two were filled in the first round of the S13 draft. The first of those was Watt. He had an underwhelming first season with 51 tackles and 2 sacks, but his second season saw him greatly improve production-wise to the tune of 81 tackles, 4 sacks, 4 INTs, and a FR.

With the final pick of the first round, the Dolphins took the only MLB of the round in Tripp. All Tripp did was be named co-Defensive Player of the Year as a rookie, a feat never achieved in B8NFLL before. Through two seasons, he has 216 tackles, 7 sacks, 9 INTs, 4 FFs, and 4 FRs. With due respect to Al Wilson, he's probably the best MLB in B8NFLL Dolphins franchise history and one of the best in the entire league.

Golden was a backup last season and provided 8 tackles, With Jatavis Bryant now in Columbus, the LOLB spot is up for grabs, but Golden will have to fight J.J. Krause for that job.
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KCF0107
05/28/21 10:25:22 PM
#256:


Minnesota Vikings

HB DeAngelo Williams (S2, 5th)
CB Devin Hester (S3, 8th)
FS Ko Simpson (S4, 13th)
DT William Morrisey (S5, 24th)
QB Josh Portis (S6, 19th)
OLB Von Miller (S7, 8th)
QB Matthew Stafford (S8, 21st)
SS T.J. Ward (S9, 22nd)
OT Greg Robinson (S10, 7th)
CB Aaron Colvin (S12, 28th)
CB Xavien Howard (S14, 5th)

Williams started off backing up Thomas Jones before emerging as one of the league's best dual-threat HBs. He lost his starting job to someone in S5, plummeting his morale and he was ultimately released. He joined the division rival Lions where he continued to be one of the league's best dual threat backs, but he was injured all the time. He last played a full 16 game season in S8, and he played double digit games twice from S9-S14. Still, as a testament to his prowess when able to get on the field, he managed to become a Hall of Famer after hanging it up at the conclusion of last season.

It is kind of baffling that Hester has only been named to one Pro Bowl, and it was his rookie season. He has nearly 40 INTs in his career and 6 return TDs. He's going to the Hall of Fame, but the one Pro Bowl strikes me as odd.

Simpson has started all 176 games of his career, which is expected to wrap up after the this one. He was Defensive Rookie of the Year and has been to a pair of Pro Bowls. His career line of 539 tackles, 18 sacks, 22 INTs, 12 FFs, and 10 FRs is quite impressive too. I'm not sure if he will be a Hall of Fame finalist, but he's had an excellent career alongside Hester.

Morrisey is a 6'2", 350lb behemoth that has a pair of 12+ sack seasons and for the longest time was great in run defense, but these past few seasons, which included an injury filled S13 and losing all of S14 have seen him slow down some.

Portis was Donovan McNabb's successor, finally getting the starting job in S8. Aside from last season when he threw for an uncharacteristic 21 INTs after throwing no more than 13 in any other season, he has passer ratings of 77+ and 2200+ passing yards in each season as a starter and as one of the premier scrambling QBs, he has rushed for 700+ in each of his seven seasons as the starter. He was named co-MVP in S9 and won a SB in S13. At 32 years old, he still has 3-4 seasons left in the tank as he tries to build a borderline Hall of Fame case.

The one and only season of being under user control by the mysterious SpeeDLeemon, the Vikings grabbed Von Miller who was another one of those steady, above average OLBs before breaking out last season at the age of 31 with 101 tackles, 2 sacks, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, and 3 FRs after Sam Crooks departed for Baltimore and Zach Brown lost a step.

The Vikings drafted Stafford prior to Portis being the clear future of this team. Portis emerged as the preseason victor and began his run of being a Top 10 QB soon after. Stafford was great as a backup in Minnesota and has played in Jacksonville and Portland since, giving his teams solid backup work.

The Vikings had an excellent secondary, but Ward just seemed to be a weird fit as he never got things going at all. He was the starting SS in their SB season, but he was replaced by Jaquiski Tartt and moved onto Tampa Bay where he was mired in a rough first season.

The Vikings had long been one of the oldest teams in the league, and their OL was especially ancient. They finally drafted an OL with their first pick, and Robinson has increased his block totals while decreasing his sack totals in each season to give him a career ratio of 236:21.

Colvin has given the Vikings 4 sacks, 5 INTs, and a pair of FFs+FRs, as well as a SB trophy, to begin his three year career. With Hester soon to retire, he will likely be a starter in Minnesota for as long as they keep him.

The Vikings originally had the 32nd pick because they won the SB. They used that on Tartt and gained the 5th pick in RFA, selecting Howard who had two defensive TDs as a rookie.
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KCF0107
05/28/21 10:55:53 PM
#257:


New England Patriots

DE Mathias Kiwanuka (S2, 6th)
DT Clifton Dickson (S3, 7th)
WR Lance Leggett (S4, 9th)
CB Jamal Lewis (S5, 20th)
CB Ladarius Webb (S6, 8th)
DE Cliff Avril (S7, 3rd)
OT Marcus Cannon (S9, 23rd)
G Ben Ijalana (S9, 25th)
QB Case Keenum (S10, 26th)
OLB Preston Smith (S12, 1st)
CB P.J. Williams (S13, 23rd)
WR Jamison Crowder (S14, 21st)

Ahh, the max exodus of Patriots players that forced me to install safety nets. Kiwanuka was thrust in a bad situation having to become basically the defensive leader of a stripped down team. It could have gone so many different ways, but for Kiwanuka, it was the beginning of a Hall of Fame career that saw him finish with the second most sacks in B8NFLL history (109).

Dickson, taken in the following draft, has a chance to eclipse Kiwanuka's career mark. Entering his age-34 season, currently with the Falcons, he has 92 in his career, so he needs 18 in three or so seasons, which is totally doable. Anyway, Dickson helped Kiwanuka form a stable force on a desperate Patriots D and ultimately helped the DL become of the finest in the league. He was traded for cap reasons last season and was named to the Pro Bowl in Atlanta after recording 62 tackles and 10 sacks.

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that Leggett was the second rookie receiver in B8NFLL history to record 1000 or more receiving yards. He has 0 such seasons in the 10 ensuing seasons, but he has found a home in San Francisco after recording 877 yards on 14.6 YPC and a career high 11 TDs.

Lewis is one of many forgettable first round CBs we've had over the years. I forget if he retired as a free agent or was able to finish out his career somewhere.

Webb was a reach in the Top 10 after the 49ers drafted Sean Smith just before them. Webb gave the Patriots 8 INTs in 125 games and 93 starts. He didn't play for anyone last season.

I was honestly shocked that Avril was available for them at #3 and while he is no Kiwanuka, Avril has averaged more than 7 sacks a season and had one of his more disruptive seasons last year with 3 FFs and a FR.

Cannon has been named to the Pro Bowl in four of his five full seasons, and he's been the back-to-back OL of the Year winner with 179 blocks against 5 sacks in that span. He has 375 blocks against 25 sacks in his career. Kiwanuka is a hall of famer, but Cannon is the best draft pick in franchise history.

Ijalana, was taken just after Cannon. He was drafted as an OT but was shifted to G where he has an absurd 286 blocks vs 26 sacks exclusively as an interior OL. He has been named to the past three Pro Bowls.

I talked about with the Panthers about a trade where neither team benefitted. The Pats traded a future 1st, which ultimately became one of WR Jones/OLB Kikiha for Panthers, to grab Keenum. He spent three seasons in New England. He had a promising rookie season where he started four games and had a 79.1 passer rating on an unsustainable 67% completion. He had sub-50 passer ratings as a part-time starter in his next two seasons before being released. He has been the #3 QB in Minnesota for the past two seasons, earning a ring in S13.

Smith, possibly an unexpected #1 overall pick, has steadily improved over his three seasons in the league, finishing with 103 tackles, 5 sacks, 2 INTs, and 3 FFs+FRs last season. With Bruce Irvin's career winding down, Smith could become the leader of this LB group as early as this season.

Williams has provided 52 tackles and 5 INTs for a Pats defense that has been great the past two seasons.

Crowder had just 11 rec for 124 yards for a Pats passing offense that possibly was the league's worst in our history after averaging less than 100 yards through the air a game. The Pats spent both of their top picks at the position, so that's especially rough.
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KCF0107
05/28/21 11:31:50 PM
#258:


New York Giants

DE Loren Howard (S2, 22nd)
DT Rob Armstrong (S3, 32nd)
CB Johnathan Joseph (S4, 22nd)
TE Rory Nicol (S5, 32nd)
QB Ben Olson (S6. 23rd)
WR Jeremy Maclin (S7, 17th)
HB Jonathan Stewart (S8, 18th)
OLB Barkavious Mingo (S9, 24th)
G David Decastro (S10, 23rd)
CB Josh Norman (S10, 30th)
CB Kyle Fuller (S11, 26th)
DE Khalil Mack (S12, 3rd)
WR Tyler Lockett (S13, 19th)

I distinctly remember that Howard was a 3rd round prospect. Eddv said he wanted the top-ranked DE, and that happened to be Howard at that point in the draft. Well it certainly worked out for the Giants as Howard has helped them to two Super Bowl victories, including an 18-1 season as a rookie, and generally have had a Top 5 defense over the history of B8NFLL. Howard is tied for 2nd among all active players with 102 sacks in his career.

The Giants were idle the next few seasons, and the first pick of that "era" was Armstrong who has grown into one of the best two-way DTs in the league with 556 tackles, 80 sacks, and 22 FFs+FRs in his 12 year career after beginning as a backup. He's coming off of one of his finer seasons, so doesn't seem to be slowing down.

The Giants had Ronde Barber but he was in his 30s by that point, so Joseph was drafted to eventually ascend to the top CB spot. I honestly forget how his entire career played out statistically, but he won one SB with the Giants before being traded to the Cowboys where he won another SB. He finished out his career with the Bengals.

The idle Giants had just defeated me in the Super Bowl, so I had the honor of drafting yet again for the team I helped slightly build. The Giants, even with losing players due to idling, were set at most areas, but they needed a two-way TE, and that is where Nicol came in. He hasn't found the end zone much (20 TDs in 10 seasons), and he has made just one Pro Bowl, but he is a decent receiver and is one of the better run-blocker TEs in the league.

Eddv briefly came back to active duty to take Olson. Olson is a great game manager, and that is not a backhanded compliment. He is great at taking care of the ball with a career mark of 178 TDs vs 103 INTs and has a mid-80s career passer rating due to his low turnover rate. However, the Giants just don't seem to win or lose based on his performance though, and his very low YPA has long been troubling.

With Eddv retreating yet again, Maclin was drafted to backup Antwaan Randle El and Martin Nance, and he did so for four seasons before landing the #2 job and eventually the #1 spot. He made his mark in the return game with six career return TDs, but he is coming off of his best season as a receiver with 66 rec for 947 yards and 8 TDs.

The final 1st rounder I took for the Giants was Stewart. Edgerrin James, a two-time MVP, was entering what ended up being the final year of his career, and Stewart impressed in his small sample size as a rookie. However, he never did become James' successor as the Giants spent a Day 2 pick on Isaiah Pead the following draft, and Pead unexpectedly won the job out of the preseason. Stewart finished his rookie contract and signed on with the Bears as an injury replacement and had a career best 4.3 YPC. He wasn't re-signed and has been sitting on the market since.

Returning for good, Eddv took Mingo who has started all 89 games that he's appeared in. He has averaged just a hair over 60 tackles a season, but he has made up for it being disruptive elsewhere with 23 sacks, 13 INTs, and 12 FFs+FRs.

Decastro had a very rough rookie season with 33 blocks and 13 sacks allowed. He improved mightily over the next two seasons, with his third seeing him with 48 blocks and 5 sacks allowed. He has been injured and regressed hard the past two seasons however. In 16 games, he has 36 blocks vs 8 sacks allowed as the Giants offense has been among the league's worst in that span.

Norman has 10 INTs in five seasons. He's hung in there I suppose.

Fuller has not generated as many turnovers as Norman, but the fact that he keeps ascending suggests he is a much better coverage guy.

The Giants gave some team (Titans or Wildcats) pennies on the dollar to move up to the 3rd pick to grab Mack who has been a disappointment statistically. He has 50 tackles, 13 sacks, and 2 FFs+FRs in three seasons.

Lockett was the fourth WR taken in the draft, well, oof. In two seasons and 32 starts, he had 62 rec for 680 yards and 2 TDs. Maybe more than Decastro, Pead, or anyone else on the team, Lockett exemplifies just how much the Giants have struggled on offense lately. He has since been traded to the Dolphins to be demoted to presumably the slot role.
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KCF0107
05/29/21 9:23:36 PM
#259:


New York Jets

OT Andrew Whitworth (S2, 18th)
WR Courtney Taylor (S3, 21st)
WR Dwayne Jarrett (S4, 23th)
DT Charles Alexander (S5, 29th)
HB Kestahn Moore (S6, 31st)
OT Jake Long (S7, 6th)
OLB K.J. Wright (S8, 5th)
G Mike Iupati (S9, 13th)
C Maurkice Pouncey (S10, 24th)
DT Nick Fairley (S11, 28th)
DE Malik Jackson (S12, 20th)
CB Jalen Ramsey (S13, 4th)
QB Deshaun Watson (S14, 2nd)
OT Ryan Ramczyk (S14, 10th)
WR Tyrell Williams (S14, 32nd)

Fenny was a big advocate of the BPA approach to the draft. On a team already populated with future Hall of Famer Kareem McKenzie and Oliver Ross at OT, Whitworth mostly worked the interior while filling in at OT when needed. Whitworth actually had his best years in New York where he had 198 blocks against 21 sacks allowed. However, he was upset with the team because he was only a part-time starter his final two years with the Jets. He found his way to Carolina where he has been since as a very solid tackle.

Taylor's role shifted constantly through his career as a slot, #2 (his primary role), and a #1. He never made the Pro Bowl and had a few seasons that were mostly lost due to injury, but he still gave the Jets over 150 games across 12 seasons with 479 rec for 5784 yards and 39 TDs.

Jarrett was taken the following draft and has started all 142 games that he's appeared in, almost exclusively as the main option. Injuries have also plagued him, including losing the entire S5 season, but he still has a pair 1000 yard Pro Bowl seasons and for his career, he sits at 601 rec for 7593 yards, 51 TDs.

Alexander had the honor of being the #2 behind the fantastic Corey Hampton for a good portion of his career. He's been very consistent no matter is placement on the pecking order as a true two-way DT, which has included 70 sacks and 20 FFs in 10 seasons, three of them resulting trips to the Pro Bowl.

Moore was drafted to be the #2 behind Larry Johnson. When Johnson was traded to the Orcas, this was the offseason of so many HB trade demands and Romance Taylor found his way to the Jets, essentially ending Moore's future with the team. He had a similar path to Courtney Lewis in that he was a mid-season super-sub signing with teams like the Pioneers and Steelers before getting his shot in his 30s with the Orcas. In three seasons with the team, he had 1425+ rushing yards in each season on 4.4 YPC and was one of the league's best receivers out of the backfield with 425+ rec yards in each season there. He finished his career with 6182 rushing yards on 4.4 YPC and 32 total TDs with a Pro Bowl appearance in S12.

Long had a truly dreadful start to his career with 31 blocks against 13 sacks allowed in 20 games and 11 starts in his first two seasons. He turned things around, but the Jets signed a pair of OTs that ended his starting opportunities there and demanded a trade just one year after signing a long-term deal. The Bears acquired him, and he had 46 blocks against 10 sacks allowed in his first season in Chicago.

Wright hasn't been much of a tackler in his 7 seasons with the Jets, averaging roughly 55 tackles a season. He has averaged 3 sacks, 1 INT, and 3 FFs+FRs a season, so he has made up for it in other areas.

Iupati was then the highest G ever selected, and just the third taken in the first round at that point (other two were taken 32nd and 30th). He was a backup his first two seasons before becoming the full-time starter the past four. He has missed 13 games the past three seasons, and his production is above-average at best with a career mark of 102 blocks vs 20 sacks allowed.

Making history again, Pouncey was the first C taken in the first He gives up his fair share of sacks but has been pretty solid with an overall line of 239 blocks against 40 sacks allowed

Fairley sat behind former Defensive Rookie of the Year Jordan White before taking over for him in S13. Despite a disappointing first two seasons as a starter (76 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 FR), he was just signed to a five year contract, so he's penciled in for a third season as the starter.

I don't know what is with many of these generated draft class DEs being complete non-factors in the run game, but Jackson has started all 48 games and has 30 tackles in that span. He does have 18 sacks and 4 FFs.

Ramsey has 59 tackles, 3 INTs, 3 FFs, and a FR in his two seasons as the #2 CB behind Jeremy Lane.

Watson was injured in the preseason and his return kept getting delayed, so he ended up playing half a season, and I had to see the Jets trot out Johnny Manziel 8 times. In an excellent season from rookie QBs, Watson might be considered disappointing because he was the first taken, but he did have a 75.7 passer rating on what was a severely injured offense, and roster in general. For someone who is allegedly a scrambling QB, he ran just 3 times for 10 yards.

The Jets' starting OTs are 38 and 37, so it is just a matter of time before Ramczyk gets his chance. He had 6 blocks against 1 sack as a rookie.

Williams was the most impressive of their three first round rookies last season. In 16 games and 7 starts, he had 45 rec for 731 yards and 2 TDs. That 16.2 YPC is not sustainable, but he was 22nd in the NFL in receiving yards (1st among rookies) despite being a part-time starter and mostly having Johnny Manziel throw to him.
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KCF0107
05/29/21 10:14:54 PM
#260:


Oakland Raiders

OLB A.J. Hawk (S2, 15th)
DE Jay Moore (S3, 19th)
QB Brian Brohm (S3, 24th)
HB Romance Taylor (S4, 10th)
HB Markus Manson (S5, 16th)
OT Alex Boone (S6, 5th)
WR Brandon Marshall (S7, 4th)
FS Reshad Jones (S8, 11th)
WR Doug Baldwin (S9, 21st)
MLB Lavonte David (S10, 12th)
CB Bene Benwikere (S11, 31st)
MLB Vontaze Burfict (S12, 29th)
DE Dee Ford (S13, 28th)
OLB Leighton Vander Esch (S14, 11th)

Hawk just retired and was a Hall of Fame finalist, so you know he had a great career production-wise. The Raiders were never a perennial playoff contender until late in his career, but he was the LB leader for most of that era on a team largely defined by the defense.

Okay, so there have been multiple instances of me selecting multiple 1st round picks for the one team in the same draft, and I am ashamed of my track record there. It's a double gut punch. Moore spent his entire 12 year career with the Raiders. He played in 167 games but just 31 starts, all in his first two seasons. He had 71 tackles, 12 sacks, 2 FFs, and 1 FR. He was part, however minor, of that S11 AFC Conference Championship squad that very nearly made the Super Bowl. 7 teams in the AFC have never made it that far in the playoffs, so that has to be cool for him right?

The second pick from that draft was Brohm. He was a great backup to Rex Grossman his first three seasons before struggling mightily as a starter in his fourth (60.7 passer rating on 52% completion). He moved to Seattle where he struggled as a backup (1 TD vs 6 INTs on 41% completion). He sat as a free agent for many seasons before landing in Atlanta and stunning everyone as a poor man's Ben Olson as a low impact, high-quality game manager (he even won Comeback Player of the Year). Still, this has to sting because Brohm was the fourth QB taken in the vaunted S3 draft, two picks before Sam Keller.

Romance Taylor, whom I recently found out is actually named Ramonce, is a speed back who succeeded current Bears HC Corey Dillon in S6. He had fumbling issues and wasn't involved in the pass game much, but he had 1484 yards on 4.2 YPC. His second season as the starter saw him play all 16 games but start just eight. I believe that the S7 Raiders are the only team to feature two 1000 yard HBs in the same season (we've had plenty of instances where the top HB and a scrambling QB have eclipsed 1000 yards). However, having been in the league for as long as he had with as high of rating as he did, he wanted to go somewhere where he was the starter, and that destination ended up being the Jets beginning in S8. While the final few seasons there were marred by injuries, he was overall brilliant in New York, which included three Pro Bowl appearances and an MVP finalist season where he had more than 2350 total yards and 16 TDs. He is second among all active HBs in career rushing yards with 11,488. As one of the best free agent backs and several teams that could use new starting HB, he has a chance to add to his accomplishments as a certain Hall of Fame finalist.

The Raiders took back-to-back speed backs who never had NFL careers in real life. Manson, the more gifted runner of the two also took a slow path to the starting job. He supplanted Taylor but was injured for half the season, and injuries continued to befall him in the next few seasons before an S10 season that saw him rush for over 1500 yards on 4.6 YPC. That was his final season in Oakland before being traded to Washington. He had a great first season there, emerging as a true dual-threat HB, but injuries virtually killed his second season there and became a free agent. The Pioneers picked him up, and he has a sensational debut in S13 there as he became an MVP finalist behind an 1800+ total yard season with 15 TDs on 4.8 rushing YPC. He lost a few games due to injury last season, but he still was impressive with another 1000 yard rushing season on 4.3 YPC and until his injury, he was consistently in the Top 25 among all players in receiving yards and led the team at one point. The Pioneers went to the SB, winning once, in his first two seasons there, giving him a bit of a late bloomer narrative as a potential Hall of Fame candidate. He is one of two, maybe three, HBs to have 1000 yard rushing seasons with three franchises (Justin Vincent is one, and I forget if Lee Suggs did too or he was the first to record 1000 yard seasons with two franchises).

Boone began his career as a G because of Luke Petitgout and George Foster blocking him at OT, but he was excellent along the interior and transitioned extremely well when going back to the exterior. Aside from a weird S13 where he gave up 10 sacks, he has allowed 5 or fewer sacks in each season with a total line of 426 blocks against 44 sacks allowed.

Marshall was the #2 for a long time behind the ultra durable Anquan Boldin, but once he got the #1 gig and was paired with Andy Dalton, they have made for one fine pairing with him averaging 800 yards and 9 TDs a season with that setup.

Jones surprisingly hasn't been to the Pro Bowl, but he has been one of the best producing FSs on a perenially pass defense with 341 tackles, 18 sacks, 14 INTs, and 15 FFs+FRs across 7 seasons. He started all 96 games to start his career before missing two last season.

#2 WRs can be really hit or miss in terms of production with scheme/system being the main factor. The Raiders have never really been a high-volume passing offense, so Baldwin wasn't likely to make the largest impact. He was a pretty average slot receiver to begin his career before ascending to the #2 spot in his fourth and contract year. He put up a modest 35 rec for 447 yards and 2 TDs before the Raiders let him hit free agency. He sat there until late last season where he had 1 rec for 8 yards with the Eagles.

The Raiders were blessed by an excellent MLB pairing as one of the league's few 3-4 teams with Larry Foote and Zeke Moreno. After Foote retired, the Raiders drafted David who has been excellent with 406 tackles, 20 sacks, 4 INTs, and 15 FFs+FRs in five seasons there in 73 games and 63 starts.

The Raiders traded down with the Titans to draft Benwikere. He has 12 INTs in four seasons, the last three as a starter.

Burfict has a claim to being the best MLB in the league, especially after being named Defensive Player of the Year last season. In three seasons, he has 365 tackles, 10 sacks, 8 INTs, and 13 FFs+FRs.

Ford has been a below average pass rusher with 10 sacks in two seasons, but he has been excellent in run defense with 92 tackles and has helped a lot with turnovers recovering five fumbles.

While no A.J. Hawk, yet, Vander Esch had a solid rookie season with 48 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 INTs, 3 FFs.
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KCF0107
05/29/21 10:55:52 PM
#261:


Philadelphia Eagles

DE Eric Henderson (S2, 14th)
QB Chris Leak (S3, 3rd)
OT Sam Baker (S4, 1st)
HB Jacquizz Rodgers (S5, 6th)
OT Branden Albert (S6, 15th)
MLB Jerod Mayo (S7, 16th)
OLB Nick Perry (S9, 20th)
OLB Christian Kirksey (S10, 13th)
CB Trumaine Johnson (S11, 5th)
CB Marcus Peters (S12, 12th)
OT Donovan Smith (S13, 22nd)
QB Taysom Hill (S14, 18th)

Henderson was never able to work his way into a starting role for the Eagles, but he was able to play his entire career there, which ended sometime in the Shonen era.

As a result of the ill-fated Ryan Fitzpatrick experiment of S2, the Eagles picked third and selected Leak, B8NFLL's career leader in passing yards and TDs. He had an expectedly rough rookie season with a 65.9 passer rating and 10 TDs vs 15 INTs on 58% completion, but since then, he is on an 11 season streak of 80+ passer ratings on 60+% completion. His best season was S9 where he had a 101.5 passer rating, 3363 yards, 33 TDs, and 11 INTs on 66% completion, but he somehow wasn't among the co-MVP winners that season. Sadly, new management has no attachment to Leak, so the future Hall of Famer will be completing his career elsewhere.

Baker, the second of two OTs to go #1 overall, has been a stable force on what has been one of the better offenses of the league in the past half dozen seasons or so. He was a high block, high sack guy to begin but settled down into a more modestly productive and efficient OT as the years went on. He hasn't allowed double digit sacks since S5 or more than five since S6 as he currently boasts a career mark of 505 blocks against 53 sacks allowed.

Rodgers, then known as Jamaal Redd was a BPA pick for the Eagles, but he never threatened incumbent Cornell Brockington for the starting job, and his work as a backup was kind of atrocious. As a rookie, he fumbled twice and never saw the end zone while running for 3.6 YPC. He had fumbling issues again his second season but was more efficient to the tune of a 4.1 YPC and also had two TDs. The Dolphins saw something in him and gave up future DB of the Year and Hall of Fame finalist Michael Huff to acquire the former 6th overall pick, and since then he has been named to five Pro Bowls, won the rushing title twice, won Comeback Player of the Year, won RB of the Year three times, won Offensive Player of the Year, won MVP twice, and was also named SB MVP in one of the three times the Dolphins have hoisted the Lombardi Trophy. The surefire Hall of Famer who is the active career leading in rushing yards (12727) and total TDs (96) is just in his early 30s and has an outside chance of finishing his career with more rushing yards than Emmitt Smith.

Albert was a high-block, high sack OT with the Eagles before injuries cut short his final most of the second half of his career there. He landed in Buffalo who later kicked him inside where he's been back to his high block, high sack ways.

The first of three straight 1st round LB selections, Mayo has had wildly varied production on a season-to-season basis. He has averaged 75+ tackles and 3 sacks a season but just over 1 INT and FF+fR.

Perry has been a disruptive force since he came into the league, but he was finally recognized with his first Pro Bowl last season. In six seasons, he has 507 tackles, 27 sacks, 9 INTs, and 14 FFs+FRs.

The first of two Christian LB starters they took in the draft, Kirksey hasn't hauled in many INTs (2 in five seasons) but is otherwise as disruptive as Perry with 355 tackles, 30 sacks, and 10 FFs+FRs.

With the rest of the defense at that point pretty much set, the Eagles needed some CBs and took Johnson who has been to two Pro Bowls in four seasons with 5 sacks and 10 INTs.

Peters was taken to form a tandem with Johnson. He had 6 INTs his first two seasons before hauling in none last season but forcing two fumbles instead.

Smith was a surprise Offensive Rookie of the Year winner and in two seasons, he has 106 blocks against 6 sacks allowed.

Hill didn't start a game last season, but he was great in relief with an 83.2 passer rating, 480 yards, and 3 TDs on 63% completion.
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VeryInsane
05/29/21 11:50:04 PM
#262:


I'm interested in trading for a corner, free safety, or a tight end for a future draft pick or someone who's contract goes up after this year on my team.

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KCF0107
05/30/21 12:03:05 AM
#263:


Pittsburgh Steelers

OT Davin Joseph (S2, 28th)
CB Ashton Youboty (S3, 25th)
HB Jamario Thomas (S4, 18th)
DT Marlon Favorite (S5, 28th)
MLB James Laurinaitis (S6, 17th)
OT Anthony Costanzo (S8, 20th)
DT Gerald McCoy (S8, 24th)
QB Robert Griffin III (S8, 31st)
DT Jared Odrick (S9, 31st)
DT Sheldon Richardson (S12, 10th)
OT D.J. Humphries (S13, 12th)
HB Jay Ajayi (S14, 17th
OT Brandon Shell (S14, 20th)

Joseph seldom started for the Steelers before departing after his rookie contract ended, and has been with the Rams ever since. He started out at G as they had Todd Weiner and Robert Gallery manning the ends. He was actually better as a G than OT when he shifted back to LT after Weiner retired, but he's been great for the Rams with 377 blocks vs 41 sacks as a Ram.

Youboty just retired and was famously taken just before Sam Keller, but he did have 13 INTs in a 12 year career in which he started five seasons worth.

Thomas, the recently retired Hall of Fame finalist, sat behind Brian Westbrook before becoming the full-time starter his fourth season. He had an injury-filled career, but he did win a rushing title, a Comeback Player of the Year award and finished with over 11000 yards with an excellent fumbling rate that would have been a lot better if he didn't fumble five times in his final season.

Favorite was a good DT for the Steelers, but the pass rushing specialist really upped his game with Green Bay while also becoming a more well-rounded player. 49 of his 61 career sacks have come in his six seasons with the Packers (though to be fair, he was the backup DT in a 3-4 with the Steelers to begin his career).

Laurinaitis is set to play in his age-31 season is already second on the active tackles list. If he keeps up this pace, he will easily become B8NFLL's career leader in the category and has been an absolute monster in Atlanta after previously playing for the Steelers and Dolphins. He has tackle totals of 158, 159, and 136. His sacks have gone down with just 2 in three seasons after recording 32 in his previous six, but his INTs and FFs+FRs have held steady and maybe slightly increased. I know only two or so MLBs go to the Pro Bowl in each conference, but I am kind of shocked he has only gone once, and it was not during his Dolphin or Falcon years.

Castonzo, a do-it-all OL who has played virtually everywhere and was permanently moved to G had a run of three great seasons encompassing the end of his time in Pittsburgh and beginning of Chicago, but he struggled last season giving up 10 sacks, though he did still provide 40 blocks to give him an average-ish ratio.

McCoy has only played in 13 of 32 games the past two seasons, giving both the Steelers and Panthers 42 tackles, 2 sacks, and a FF. Before that, he provided above-average pass rushing ability, though maybe I am selling him a bit short because he had 7 sacks in 15 games and just 8 starts in S10 and had another season where he had more sacks than one would expect from being a part-time starter.

I really don't remember much about Griffin, who has since left the league. I think he may have been given some starts here and there when QBs in front of him were injured, but I don't think he did much with his opportunities. I know he didn't finish his rookie contract. He never signed with another team after his release.

Odrick lasted just one season in Pittsburgh before joining the division rival Ravens. He has averaged 50 tackles, 8 sacks, and 2 FRs a season there, shifting between the #1 and #2 DT spots.

Richardson has one of the premier two-way DTs since he entered the league averaging roughly 50 tackles and 10 sacks a season while providing above average FFs+FRs.

Humphries missed most of his sophomore season but he had a great rookie season, having one of the highest block totals in the league.

Like most rookie HBs, Ajayi didn't really do anything in his limited opportunities, and he's currently expected to backup newcomer and former Wildcat 1st rounder Christian McCaffrey.

Shell had a great rookie season with 58 blocks and 4 sacks allowed.
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ShatteredElysium
05/30/21 2:52:41 AM
#264:


Griffin is a player who I likely would have kept if I had known then what I know now about scrambling QBs. He had a 59.4% passing completion rate (which is the second highest out of all my QBs). Grossman got injured like week 14 or 15 in that 6-10 playoff season and RG3 was the fill in so he actually has a playoff win under his belt. He threw 4 INTs in an important game which was what soured me on him but that was before I knew that scrambling QBs are erratic. I have no idea if he was good at running though as I have no rushing stats for him at all.

I've always regretted keeping McClain over Laurinaitis but McClain was lower OVR and 1 year older so Laurinaitis had a lot better trade value. He's a player I wish I could have kept although the parts I got in return for him were exceptional (Kwame Harris and Levitre iirc)

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KCF0107
05/30/21 8:05:11 PM
#265:


Portland Express

FS Pat Watkins (S2, 8th)
OT Justin Blalock (S3, 9th)
QB Rhett Bomar (S4, 14th)
DT Amobi Okoye (S6. 6th)
OLB Koa Misi (S7, 19th)
DE Michael Johnson (S8, 26th)
HB DeMarco Murray (S9, 15th)
DT Marcell Dareus (S10, 14th)
OT Taylor Lewan (S11, 12th)
OLB Za'Darius Smith (S12, 13th)
G Connor McGovern (S13, 26th)
QB Jacoby Brissett (S14, 25th)

One of three FSs to ever be taken in the Top 10, Watkins had the least productive career of the three (and one is still active), but he was an adequate starter who was typically part of an above average pass defense that included the likes of vets SS Roy Williams and CB Ken Lucas for many seasons.

Blalock has been a mainstay on the Express OL for 12 seasons with 181 games played and 168 starts blocking for high-end HBs like Warrick Dunn, LaDainian Tomlinson, and DeMarco Murray. The four time Pro Bowler has 743 blocks against 73 sacks allowed, but he did allow a career high 11 last season.

Bomar has managed to be the #2 QB for three franchises in his career, including a SB appearance with the Cowboys last season, but he's been a total bust with a 58.3 passer rating, a 9:21 TD:INT ratio, and 54.9% completion with the Express, Packers, and Cowboys.

Okoye, an above average run-defender and disruptor, used to be a prolific sack artist and was on pace to be at or near the top of the B8NFLL all-time list, and that was BEFORE he set a B8NFLL record of 18 sacks in S12. However, just six combined sacks the past two seasons have put him in the mid-70s as he enters his age-30 season.

Misi has missed virtually two seasons due to injury, but in the other six, he has totals of 471 tackles, 28 sacks, 10 INTs, 10 FFs, and 12 FRs as one of the highest rated OLBs in the game.

Johnson has struggled with consistency throughout his career, but he exploded last season to the tune of being the wire-to-wire sack leader with 15 throughout the season as he was named co-Breakout Player of the Year.

Murray was drafted to be Tomlinson's backup and since taking over for him the following season, he has four 1500+ rushing yard seasons, and the other he rushed for 1259 on 4.6 YPC. In his six year career, he has 8354 yards on 4.5 YPC with 47 total TDs. He's definitely a Top 3 HB in the league.

Dareus was a backup to Shaun Rogers for many seasons before getting his chance and has responded with back-to-back 10 sack seasons.

Lewan has had some health issues, but in 49 games and 44 starts, he has given up just 11 sacks and has a block:sack ratio north of 10.

In three seasons, Smith has averaged more than 90 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 INT, and 3 FFs+FRs a season.

McGovern has nearly identical seasons to begin his career with 101 blocks against 9 sacks allowed.

Brissett had a few dud performances, but if I kept track of rookie QB outings where a they had multiple TDs and no INTs, Brissett would certainly be the career leader in that as I feel like that described half of his games. Still, he was the last of the four QBs to be taken in the first round last season, and he had one of the most impressive seasons by a rookie QB as he won Offensive Rookie of the Year for a team that was expected to be in a rebuilding phase.
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05/30/21 8:50:02 PM
#266:


KCF0107 posted...
I can't count but in case Scare is reading this, Thompson has 162 blocks against 10 sacks the past two seasons.

He's definitely one of my favorite players I've been able to scoop up

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KCF0107
05/30/21 9:16:06 PM
#267:


San Francisco 49ers

QB Reggie McNeal (S2, 20th)
FS Will Herring (S3, 17th)
SS Bernard Pollard (S3, 18th)
DT Frank Okam (S4, 30th)
CB Jamario O'Neal (S5, 25th)
CB Sean Smith (S6, 7th)
MLB Korey Norton (S7, 14th)
OT Trent Williams (S8, 14th)
OLB John Simon (S9, 27th)
G Trai Turner (S10, 10th)
HB Giovanni Bernard (S11, 18th)
DE Whitney Mercilus (S11, 23th)
G Zach Martin (S11, 24th)
CB Logan Ryan (S11, 27th)
QB Mitchell Trubiskey (S13, 9th)
DT Grady Jarrett (S14, 13th)

McNeal backed up Big Ben for many seasons before he was fed up with not starting. The scrambler moved to the Patriots where he began with two solid seasons before struggling in his third. He was in the midst of having his most efficient season yet when it was cut short due to injury. I don't know the specific details because of how the game presents stats, but I'm guessing his fifth season could have been the year that the Patriots ended up with the #1 pick because he was cut mid-season before signing with the Steelers later on. He has struggled with efficiency and especially health (he has played in just five of 32 games the past seasons) after that great debut in Pittsburgh, but he was re-signed in the offseason and should be their starter again this season. He is not the most electric scrambler, but he has above-average rushing numbers and has actually been great at keeping fumbles down all things considered.

In the same draft that I picked twice for the Raiders, I picked twice for the 49ers. I'm not sure if they even had a FS or SS rostered at that point (I don't think so with the latter at least), so with the first of back-to-back picks, I took Herring. He played all but one season in San Francisco, but he was just an adequate starter who was known more for his iron man streak than his play. He played his final season in Seattle.

Pollard was the other pick, and he was a lifelong 49er. He had a few good seasons statistically, but otherwise didn't stand out. The reason why I don't think that they had a SS on the roster entering the draft was because I took Jessie Daniels in the 4th who ended up with a much better career as he has been a star on both the Pioneers and Browns as a potential Hall of Fame candidate when he hangs it up after this season.

Okam was the long-time nose tackle for the 49ers and tied for the league lead in sacks in S8. He departed last offseason and played for the Eagles and gave them 7 sacks when Shaun Cody was lost for the season. He has 53 sacks and 14 FFs+FRs in his career as he hopes to sign with someone in free agency.

O'Neal was a long time #2/slot corner and returner for the 49ers who was ultimately traded to the Express to acquire an injury replacement late one season. 7 of his 17 career INTs have come from his 3+ seasons with his new club, but after Daryl Worley was drafted last season, he has been the #4 CB and has seldom found his way onto the field.

Smith has started all 144 games since entering the league, and he was named to his second Pro Bowl after a career high 6 INTs. Unfortunately, the 49ers JUST released him as a cap casualty, so if he wishes to keep his starting streak alive, it will have to be by a kind soul in free agency.

Norton, a three-time Pro Bowler, has kind of flown under the radar as one of the league's best MLBs for quite some time now. In 8 seasons, he has 893 tackles, 54 sacks, 11 INTs, and 25 FFs+FRs while missing only three games.

Williams might be the best LT in the game. Even considering one weird season where he had 61 blocks against 10 sacks allowed, he has a career line of 333 blocks and 20 sacks allowed. Yeah, he has allowed just combined 10 sacks in his other six seasons. I know that the Pro Bowl heavily weighs block totals when it comes to votes, but it is a travesty he has never been to it, especially after a season where he had 71 blocks and 1 sack allowed in S10.

Simon might have largely been the weakest link in a generally stout LB group in the bay area, but while he doesn't offer much in terms of tackling or INTs, he does offer plenty of sacks and FFs+FRs, averaging more than 4 and 3 respectively per season.

Turner, the highest G taken until Will Hernandez this season, has been a solid G throughout his career with a career block:sack ratio above 5 while playing in 76 of a possible 80 games.

I don't know how I forgot that the 49ers actually have the record with four selections in the first round in a single draft. I think that the 49ers already had two selections from a trade down with the Dolphins and picked up two others from the Bills/Dolphins. Whatever the specifics, Bernard was the first pick. As a falling top prospect, there were high hopes for Bernard who initially backed up Hall of Famer Tatum Bell but played extensively as a rookie when Bell got injured. He was named Offensive Rookie of the Year after rushing for nearly 1000 yards and 10 TDs on 4.2 YPC in 16 games and 6 starts. However, that the the peak of his career as injuries and efficiency issues plagued him across the next three seasons. Failing to capture the magic he displayed his rookie year ultimately led to him hitting the free agent market where someone else can take a chance on the 27-year-old.

Mercilus was the first 49er not from their inaugural season to start at DE for them. He has been underwhelming as a pass rusher but has given them 2 FFs+FRs a season to go along with some decent run defense.

The 49ers have been an excellent destination for OL as draftees or reclamation projects, and Martin is no different. After being a backup his first season, he has been to the Pro Bowl in each of his three seasons as a starter and for his career, he has 208 blocks against 27 sacks allowed.

Ryan was fine as a replacement for O'Neal but he wasn't a must-keep player, so when finances got tight, Ryan was let go before his rookie contract ended, and he went to the Bills where he had a career high 30 tackles and added an INT in the slot.

Trubisky was taken after Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, and Dak Prescott. While those three have had some growing pains to say the least, Trubisky had the opportunity to be the backup to Kirby Freeman for two seasons and has a career passer rating of 116.0 in limited opportunities. The team allowed Freeman to walk as a free agent, so now it is time for Trubisky to show what he's made of. Luckily for him, get gets to play behind an OL where I would consider four of the five starters to be elite.

Knowing they were to likely move beyond Okam that same offseason, Jarrett was brought in to be part of the future DL alongside Mercilus and whomever would succeed Marcus Spears in S15. Jarrett gave them 48 tackles, 4 sacks, and a FR.
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05/30/21 9:58:02 PM
#268:


San Juan Orcas

HB Reggie Bush (S2, 10th)
HB Selvin Young (S3, 23rd)
HB Arian Foster (S4, 17th)
DE Brick Massey (S5, 2nd)
DT Demarcus Granger (S6, 1st)
QB Alex Walton (S7, 10th)
WR Antonio Brown (S8, 2nd)
OT Mitchell Schwartz (S9, 9th)
OLB Anthony Barr (S10, 3rd)
DT Aaron Donald (S13, 10th)
MLB Telvin Smith (S14, 12th)

Entering the S15 draft, the Orcas were tied with a few franchises for the second-fewest 1st round selections in our league's history. The Colts have the fewest, but back to the Orcas, their first pick was the first three straight HBs they took in the opening round. His most efficient seasons were with the Orcas, but a lack of starter guarantees wore thin on him, and he eventually moved on to the Panthers where he had his most productive years. The dual-threat HB ended up playing his final season back with the Orcas and ended up as a Hall of Fame finalist with more than 15000 total yards and more than 75 TDs.

I don't keep a record of this, but I suspect that the Orcas have the most unique 1000 yard rushers in the league. Bush was never among them, but it seemed like the Orcas had a new 1000 yard rusher every other season or so. Among those numbers were Thomas Jones, Justin Vincent, Larry Johnson, Kestahn Moore. Two of their 1st round HBs also round out the group, including Young and his 1046 yards in S6. He later went to the Jets and then the Lions with whom he was a valuable safety net when DeAngelo Williams was injured, which was all the time. He had a 4.2 YPC his first season in Detroit but struggled with efficiency in the final two seasons there, but he was an excellent receiver out of the backfield and the Lions would not have made the playoffs in S13 if it weren't for him. He came back to the Jets last season where he started a few games in place of Romance Taylor, continuing his trend of being a productive dual threat HB with below average efficiency.

Foster ran for 1062 yards in S7 and proceeded to be a high-end backup for the Raiders, Jets, Falcons, and Pioneers before failing to find work last season. Still, he boasts a career 4.2 YPC and is still in the 80s, so someone maybe should look his way if they are looking for a backup in what should be his final season.

Massey, who was originally named after my cousin who was an all-state DE/TE in his high school days before I decided to rename them after players from my NCAA 05 franchise, has been a good pass rusher with 74 sacks in 10 seasons, but his run defense and lack of FFs+FRs left a lot to be desired, so when I came in, I had to tearfully and awkwardly inform my virtual cousin he would not be making the move to Puerto Rico with everyone else and let him walk as a free agent.

Granger has actually lived up to his billing as the #1 overall pick being above-average or better in tackles, sacks, and FFs+FRs. I do not understand how he failed to make the Pro Bowl when he has season lines of 55 tackles, 7 sacks, 5 FFs, 1 FR and 50 tackles, 7 sacks, 5 FFs before. He has also started 143 of 144 games in his career. The Orcas have never made the playoffs during his tenure though, so despite him fitting the new scheme imported from the Dolphins, new management decided to make sweeping changes, which included drafting Granger's probable replacement with the 10th pick in this past draft. At 32, he still has plenty left in the tank even if his Orca career ends after this season.

Walton was actually a decent starter as Eli Manning's injury replacement. He had a bad rookie season with a sub-60 passer rating and an 8:17 TD:INT ratio, but he had 80+ passer ratings in each of his final four seasons with the team and actually turned that TD:INT ratio into the positives. He has been a free agent for three seasons now.

Brown was the first pick of the Korayashi era, and despite largely underwhelming QB play hurting his yardage some, he is arguably a Top 5 WR in the league with 6+ TDs in each season and a career YPC above 13.0 and a pair of Pro Bowls.

Schwartz was excellent when on the field with a career 189 blocks vs 17 sacks allowed, but health has always been a major problem for him as he was able to play double digit games in just two of his three seasons with the Orcas. He was a mid-season signing by the Pioneers and ultimately won a ring with them as a backup OT before becoming a free agent again.

Other than losing most of S12 due to injury, Barr has been a consistent performer for the Orcas and eventually succeeded Wesley Woodyard as the leader at LB for the team. He is coming off of arguably his best season with 107 tackles, 5 sacks, and 3 FFs.

Donald has yet to get it going as a pass rusher and disruptor (pass rushing is a type of disruption, but I like giving FFs+FRs a cool moniker), but he's been a good run defender in his two seasons with the club.

Smith played in just six games due to injuries, but he contributed across the board with at least 1 sack, INT, FF, and FR, and chipped in 40 tackles. If that was of any indication, he could be the best MLB they've had since Mike Peterson.
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05/30/21 10:37:36 PM
#269:


Man, you make the niners sound good why can't we get over the hump dammit lol

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KCF0107
05/30/21 10:59:00 PM
#270:


Seattle Seahawks

SS Darnell Bing (S2, 12th)
DT Haloti Ngata (S3, 4th)
HB Lynell Hamilton (S4, 16th)
WR DeSean Jackson (S5, 11th)
CB Derek Cox (S6, 18th)
CB Captain Munnerlyn (S7, 20th)
QB Kirk Cousins (S9, 4th)
OT Riley Reiff (S10, 8th)
FS Byron Jones (S11, 22th)
OT Taylor Decker (S12, 30th)
C Cameron Erving (S13, 31st)
WR Amari Cooper (S14, 6th)

I was cute on behalf of Shad in the first draft. I held a Top 5 pick, but I kept trading down for Day 2 and Day 3 picks and trade ups elsewhere. I explicitly told people that imported draft classes were talented and deep, so a lot of Day 2 and 3 picks would stick around the league for a while, and some of those picks, which included MLB Aaron Harris, G Grayling Love, and OT Jabari Levy did have long and productive careers in the league, with Love still active. I ultimately landed on Bing who just retired. He spent his entire career in Seattle. He never lived up his potential, though he did provide a decent amount of INTs.

Ngata began his career as a two-way DT, but he ultimately lost his pass rushing chops (15 sacks in the past five seasons), giving way to him being a great run-stuffing DT. He has started 189 of a possible 192 games in his career, and at 36, he might be playing his final season.

Hamilton was a co-Offensive Rookie of the Year and has generally been a good HB. He had a fantastic stretch in S10-S12 where he had a combined 4.7 YPC, but he has struggled with health his entire career, though miraculously only missing one game in the past three seasons. After 11 seasons and over 10k rushing yards with the team, he was not re-signed in the offseason as he looks to spend his final season elsewhere.

The five-time Pro Bowler has been among the best WRs in the past six seasons averaging over 1000 yards on nearly 14.0 YPC. If not for only grabbing 2 TDs last season, his TD averages would be around 10 during that span. At just 31 and playing in what should be an improved offense, he should certainly be on his way to the Hall of Fame.

Cox spent only one season as a starter in Seattle while spending the rest as typically the #4 but sometimes slot corner. He went to Tampa Bay where he has spent the past four seasons, and well, yeah. He has 84 tackles, 5 INTs, and 4 FFs+FRs in 87 games and 48 starts in nine seasons.

Munnerlyn only started in two seasons with Seattle but one did include 4 INTs with the other seeing him recover 2 fumbles, so he did stuff statistically. He played a few games here and there but didn't appear in a game the past two seasons and just hit the free agent market.

Backing up Carson Palmer, Cousins replaced him during his rookie season when Palmer went down with injury and has mightily improved as a passer with three straight seasons of 82+ passer ratings. Health has been an issue with him only playing a full 16 game season twice in his five seasons as the starter, including a career low 4 games last season. If he can stay healthy, it will be exciting to see how the offense fares this season with all those new faces on what should be their best unit on paper for a team that has largely been elite on that side of the ball over the past several seasons.

Reiff lost his entire rookie season to injury, and he was a backup for most of his second season, but he's been excellent in his three seasons as a starter providing the Seahawks with 192 blocks against 18 sacks allowed.

Jones came out swinging and was named a DB of the Year candidate in addition to being a co-Defensive Rookie of the Year winner. While the Seahawks being under AI and a largely absent user control has kept him under the radar, you won't find many FSs as productive as him. In four seasons, he has 235 tackles, 11 sacks, 10 INTs, 9 FFs, and 8 FRs while presumably leading the league in pass deflections since he's entered the league because I am not seeing anyone else with three seasons of double digit PDs, let alone the four that Jones has.

Decker backed up Levi Jones to begin his career before having a good first season starting last year before being traded to the Bears less than a week ago.

Erving exclusively played at G his first two seasons. Playing outside of his natural position might have hurt his production, but he does have a respectable 60 blocks vs 13 sacks allowed in his first two years.

Cooper had that one brilliant game with Andrew Luck where he caught 4 TDs, but overall, he had a simply good year as a rookie WR hauling in 53 passes for 684 yards and 7 TDs while catching passes from at least five QBs. With a hopefully healthier and more stable team this season, maybe he has room for statistical improvement.
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KCF0107
05/30/21 11:34:38 PM
#271:


St. Louis Rams

DT Orien Harris (S2, 29th)
CB Demetrice Webb (S3, 15th)
DE Chris Harrington (S4, 24th)
QB Bobby Reid (S5, 9th)
QB Josh Freeman (S6, 30th)
WR Michael Crabtree (S7, 27th)
QB Brock Osweiler (S8, 25th)
QB Ryan Tannehill (S9, 2nd)
TE Austin Hooper (S12, 22nd)
OLB Leonard Floyd (S13, 21st)
CB Anthony Brown (S14, 27th)

Harris is still miraculously with the franchise despite not having started a game since S7 and even being a #4 DT for the past several seasons. He had 33 sacks in his first six seasons before John Mixon supplanted him and while he has mostly stayed on the bench, he did ascend back to the rotational DT last season due to injuries in front and gave the elite Rams D 2 sacks.

To this day, Webb is the only and likely only first rounder to not sign with the team who drafted them. Back in the early seasons, while everyone had similarly talented teams thanks to the franchise draft, the financial situation was a lot different due to differences in the assumed contracts (contracts that players were already under when the league started). The Rams were among the unlucky and thus the AI determined that it wasn't worth signing Webb (they didn't come away empty handed as FB Jason Snelling and DE Zach Latimer had long productive careers, with the latter still playing in Tennessee). He signed with Fenny and the Jets, with whom he spent his entire playing career. He was the #2 behind Chris Gamble and later Jeremy Lane before retiring. I think he made a Pro Bowl or two.

Harrington has mostly been a rotational DE as a run-stuffing specialist but he did start several non-consecutive seasons for them and was able to be an above-average pass rusher from time to time. He's currently the rotational DE again for a pair of players nearly a decade younger than him.

Reid was the only pick while under user control and was expected to succeed Jake Delhomme. He was a good passer and an excellent scrambling but never kept ahold of the starter's job. He went to Tennessee where he helped transform the offense to where they had their best offensive ranking with him at the helm. New management for the Titans didn't care for scrambling QBs or something and decided that Sam Bradford and Paxton Lynch were clearly better options and cut Reid with multiple years left on his contract. He was with the Steelers last season in what was by far his worst outing and currently finds himself on the free agent market again.

Oh god, here come the AI Rams on a QB run. Freeman had one season as the starting QB in St. Louis where he was merely fine with nearly 2500 yards, an even TD:INT ratio, and a mid-70s passer rating. He eventually made his way to the Orcas where he has alternated between being a #2 and #3.

In the middle of a QB sandwich, the Rams took Crabtree when they had an aging WR corps. He never got the starting job there, but he increased his yardage, YPC, and TDs in each of his six seasons as a Ram before being traded to the Dolphins for I think HB Eddie Lacy. In his two seasons in Miami, he was great whenever Odell Beckham Jr. got injured and gave the Dolphins nearly 80 rec on over 1200 yards and 7 TDs in two seasons. His contract ran out and is one of the better FA receivers available.

Back to the QBs, Osweiler started just two games in St. Louis, and only appeared in games during that one season (S11). He had a 77 passer rating throwing for 540 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT.

After many attempts, the Rams finally found their long-term starting QB in Tannehill. His rookie season will likely never be topped by another rookie QB. He had a 102.2 passer rating, 3336 yards, 27 TDs, and 9 INTs on 66.8% completion. I only record the top passer rating each season, so I can't say this with complete accuracy, but that 102.2 passer rating might be the fifth highest single season mark by a qualified passer. He may not have reached close to those heights in the follwing five seasons, but he does have low-to-high 80 passer ratings in each of them with high completion, yardage, and TD marks.

Hooper has improved as a receiver each season, with last season being a Pro Bowl year with 563 yards and 5 TDs. It's hard to make TEs sound exciting okay?

Thanks to a few teams unexpectedly passing on a strong OLB class in S13, the Rams were able to nab Floyd who has 152 tackles, 8 sacks, 2 INTs, and 4 FRs in two seasons.

The Rams have an elite defense, but they still could use more talent at CB, so they drafted their first DB in the first round in Brown. He had 24 tackles, 2 INTs, and a FR as a rookie.
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KCF0107
05/31/21 12:00:28 AM
#272:


Tampa Bay Buccaneers

OLB Chad Greenway (S2, 32nd)
G Garrett Collins (S5, 30th)
DE Raymond Henderson (S6, 27th)
HB Matt Forte (S7, 5th)
OT Jared Valdheer (S8, 27th)
DT Jurrell Casey (S9, 30th)
QB Teddy Bridgewater (S10, 17th)
MLB Alec Ogletree (S11, 9th)
WR Jarvis Landry (S12, 21st)
DE Leonard Williams (S13, 27th)

I honestly couldn't tell you about Greenway's career from a statistical standpoint. I think he was fine in Tampa, then he moved to the Orcas after I distinctly remember him being an odd target in free agency where I think five or six users tried to sign him. He wrapped up his career in Denver as a backup.

Collins has rarely played a full 16 game schedule, but the rare 1st round G has been respectable with a career block:sack ratio at roughly 5, and has been more efficient in his past three seasons.

Henderson was mostly a backup, but he showed up when finally given the chance to be the starter. In his first two seasons as a starter (S12-S13), he had 20 sacks and 3 FFs, but then he became a free agent and was a backup with the Bengals last season.

This is a running league. Around 20 or so HBs each season finish with 1000 rushing yards or more. It defies all logic that between S2 and S10, the Bucs had no 1000 yard rusher. This was a very successful franchise, making the situation all the more perplexing. I don't recall how many different starting HBs they had since Julius Jones departed, but nothing seemed to work. Forte eventually broke the streak, but it took awhile. He was so close as a rookie with 974 yards but injuries limited him to 3, 11, and 12 games across the next three seasons with him peaking at 865 yards despite a YPC of 4.7 during that span. S11 was the breakout year with 1245 yards, and he's had 1100+ rushing yards since. He's the active career leader in rushing YPC at 4.7.

Valdheer was a backup and spot starter along the line to begin his career. He didn't fare especially well as a G, but as the starting LT the past two seasons, he does have 104 blocks vs 6 sacks allowed.

Casey has been a great two-way DT in his six seasons in the league, averaging over 50 tackles and nearly 8 sacks a season with 8 FFs. The DL was neglected for awhile, so he was keeping it afloat after John Henderson retired.

Bridgewater was a Top 5 prospect who fell all the way to the Bucs as Tom Brady retired. He's been great for them from the start with a career passer rating above 80 on 62% completion, and after dealing with injuries his first two seasons, he hasn't missed a game in the past three. Just one season after signing him to a long-term deal, he was shipped to Chicago.

LBs are a pretty safe/high reward pick, but Ogletree has yet to really emerge after four years into his career. He has put up 283 tackles, 7 sacks, 4 INTs, and 10 FFs+FRs in his career.

After Nate Burleson retired, Landry and Brigewater had a great connection with 152 rec, 2070 yards, and 15 TDs the past two seasons. Now he has to catch passes from likely a rookie QB in his contract year.

Williams has posted consecutive 8 sacks seasons and a combined 5 FFs+FRs in his first two seasons, but after displaying above-average run defense his rookie season, he cratered his second season in a lost season for the Bucs. You have to hope that the team's woes on D were the chief reason behind that instead of it being a more accurate indication of who he is.
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KCF0107
05/31/21 12:41:41 AM
#273:


Tennessee Titans

WR Mike Hass (S2, 4th)
SS Japhus Brown (S4, 4th)
QB Kirby Freeman (S5, 1st)
MLB David Harris (S6, 32nd)
OT Joe Thomas (S7, 15th)
DE Chris Long (S8, 4th)
CB Prince Amukamara (S9, 3th)
DT Fletcher Cox (S11, 20th)
QB Paxton Lynch (S12, 18th)
WR Mike Evans (S13, 2th)
DE Trey Flowers (S14, 14th)
SS John Johnson (S14, 15th)

Stan traded up for this pick. This was a board draft then (we would post our picks in the topic, and with 12 hour time limits, drafts would last weeks), so people had time to discuss their thoughts (on AIM) were before picks were made. The most popular thought was that it was going to be future Hall of Famer HB DeAngelo Williams, but after trading for WR Reggie Wayne and giving him two 90-ish WRs, the Titans grabbed Hass. He was the slot receiver for five seasons in a largely moribund offense before he was a cap casualty. He went to the division rival Colts where he was a pretty good #2 WR to Mario Manningham until he retired.

Brown didn't lift up the defense as the Titans hoped, but he was ultra durable never missing a start for the team until I think they benched him or maybe they traded him to the Panthers with his streak still intact. He was an excellent backup SS with the Panthers though with an obscene amount of INTs. He may not have had the career he envisioned as a Top 5 pick, but he did end his career on a high note as a productive member of a team that had some postseason success.

The #1 overall picks started out as unsexy players with two of the three being OTs and the other a MLB. The Titans took the high risk option over the Massey cousins in Freeman. He was a serviceable starter for most of his six seasons in Tennessee, but he did have two brilliant seasons in S8 and S9 with a pair of 89 passer ratings and a combined 6000 yards, 45 TDs vs 22 INTs on over 60% completion. He bounced around with disappointing tenures with the Raiders and Lightning before having a late-career renaissance behind a phenomenal OL in San Francisco. He had a combined 82 passer rating, 4800 yards, 38 TDs, and 28 INTs on over 61% completion. The 49ers could afford his services, so he enters the free agent market as the third-best option in my opinion behind superstars Vince Young and Chris Leak.

The key it seems was to not be let down by Top 10 picks and trade down to select late 1st rounders. The Titans swapped the 9th pick for the 32nd pick and selected Harris who gave them seven excellent seasons. When the Titans got a new HC, he was the DC from the Rams who ran a 4-3. The Titans were running a 3-4 at the time, and new management decided that they would run the defense that the HC was used to. They had to decide whether to keep Brian Cushing or Harris. They went with the former and sent Harris to the Browns. He had an okay half season with the club but reverted back to his old self last season with 118 tackles, 9 sacks, 3 INTs, and 6 FFs+FRs as he went to the Pro Bowl and helped the team reach the playoffs for the first time in awhile.

If you quiz people, I suppose I really just mean Stan and myself, on former first round picks for the Titans during the Stan era, I'm sure Thomas is the one we would most likely forget. He had a so-so career mostly playing G I think before being traded to the Chiefs where he was serviceable but not great as an RT. He enters the free agent market after five seasons in Kansas City and has a career mark of 366 blocks vs 51 sacks allowed.

Long was actually the defensive rookie of the year, but his second season was a major disappointment, and then the Titans acquired two new starting DEs the following offseason, ending his status as a starter. He was actually a little productive as a backup with two multi-sack seasons. After his rookie contract ran out, he went to Washington where he had a mult-sack game as a backup in his first season.

Amukamara has 155 tackles, 1 sack, 9 INTs, and 4 FFs+FRs in six seasons with the Titans. He has started all 96 games up to this point.

Cox had 31 sacks in four seasons, but he offers little in run defense and has no FFs+FRs the past two seasons. Luckily for him, the Titans decided to re-sign him.

Lynch had a 67.3 passer rating, more INTs than TDs, and a 57% completion his rookie season. He lost his second season to injury. He played in 12 games last season with a 69.6 passer rating, an even TD:INT ratio, and 53.7% completion. Yeah.

As the only viable receiving option, Evans has hoisted the entire passing game on his back admirably with 165 rec for 2028 yards and 17 TDs in two seasons as the biggest hit for the team since David Harris.

Flowers was a backup last season and in 16 games, he accrued no statistics.

Johnson provided the team with 31 tackles, 1 sack, and 1 INT while starting all 16 games.
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MegamanX
05/31/21 1:18:24 AM
#274:


Sadly, new management has no attachment to Leak, so the future Hall of Famer will be completing his career elsewhere.

more reasons new Eagles owner is trash

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05/31/21 1:32:14 AM
#275:


Toronto Wildcats

OT D'Brick Ferguson (S2, 7th)
WR Santonio Holmes (S3, 27th)
SS Reggie Nelson (S4, 6th)
WR Gonzie Massey (S5, 3rd)
DE Eugene Germany (S6, 16th)
QB Colin Kaepernick (S7, 23rd)
MLB Bobby Wagner (S8, 1st)
CB Cortez Allen (S8, 30th)
OT Tyron Smith (S9, 7th)
DE Robert Quinn (S10, 11th)
DT Tyson Alualu (S10, 18th)
OLB Shaquil Barrett (S11, 2nd)
CB Ronald Darby (S12, 19th)
HB Christian McCaffrey (S13, 18th)
SS Jabrill Peppers (S14, 4th)

Ferguson was doing well to begin his career. I don't mean like one or two seasons but I mean his first seven as a whole, and he had a scrambling QB, so the blocking figures should have been much higher. He has turned things around in his 30s, and in the past three seasons, he has 177 blocks against 15 sacks allowed.

Holmes was the #2 behind Larry Fitzgerald, then the slot behind Fitz and Gonzie Massey before going back to the #2. He didn't have an outstanding career, but given he started only 71 of his 183 games and spent most of his career with Michael Vick who was a good passer but not a high volume one, he was serviceable with 394 rec for 4541 yards and 26 TDs and a Pro Bowl appearance.

Nelson was a major reach (I think he was a projected 2nd round player) that may have been prompted by the Titans selecting Japhus Brown. Nelson wasn't a well-rounded player, but he was a high tackle, high INT SS who started 88 games for the Wildcats. He became the backup in Baltimore last season.

Massey started to emerge several years back and made three Pro Bowls thanks to a high YPC and good for grabbing 8 or 9 TDs. Last season though he was an absolute monster with the second most receptions, (112), third most yards (1640), and most TDs (16) that we've had in a season en route to being named an MVP finalist. At 31 years old, he's on pace to set the B8NFLL record for most receiving yards in a career.

Germany was named co-Defensive Rookie of the Year, but he's basically been a pass rush specialist. And his woes in run defense and disruptive players made his development screech to a halt eventually. He spent the final seveal seasons as a backup in Toronto before landing in Kansas City where he was a disappointment by all metrics.

Incumbent Vick constantly dealt with injury issues, and the backup situation with the Wildcats was killing the team. Thus, Kaep was drafted to give them a better backup option and be a potential successor. He sure didn't perform like a better backup option as a rookie, but he had a huge bounceback season as a sophomore and settled in after that. Both Vick and Kaep were allowed to walk as free agents, so he landed in New England, Carolina, and Indianapolis where his TD:INT ratio just went way south. He was released earlier this offseason.

Wagner may not have turned into an elite MLB, though I guess it could happen literally any season, but he's been an effective starter for them and helped usher in a new LB group that has been very dependable. The Wildcats used to perenially be among the worst defensive teams in the league, but starting with the selection of Wagner, things changed as they have mostly been a league average or slightly below average unit since (that may not sound like much, but believe me when I say that it is a vast improvement).

Okay, there are many things that I wish turned out differently during my time running this, but I have very few regrets. One of those regrets was making a trade to give the Wildcats a second first rounder. The franchise had been struggling for a long time, so I was hoping to give them an opportunity to get an additional blue chip talent. I should have discussed with them ahead of time to know who they wanted to pick because I would have either insisted they do not go CB or refuse to make the deal had I known Allen was going to be the pick. Well, he's still with the team, so that's something I suppose.

Smith sat behind Rex Tucker for awhile, but ever since he got the starting job, he's been great in pass protection with 259 blocks against 25 sacks allowed. His run-blocking is an issue though.

Quinn was unimpressive his rookie year with just 3 sacks, but he has 39 in four seasons since with two Pro Bowl trips.

Alualu has been great in run defense, but he has been inconsistent in pass rushing and disruption. Two of his five seasons have resulted in 0 FFs+FRs, and his sack totals have been 9, 11, 3, 11, and 3. He was named Defensive Lineman of the Year in S13.

Barrett had 10 sacks (and little else) as a rookie but has 13 in three seasons since. That's okay because he has developed into a well-rounded OLB worthy of the 2nd selection.

As the commissioner, I hate to see it when a player completely fails and regresses hard. Given how susceptible CBs are to suffer this fate, I get very anxious when a team who hasn't been known for strong defensive play spends a lot of money on a high end CB in free agency or drafts one in the first round. I thought Darby would be another in a too long line of them, but he's actually held his own after three seasons, which has included him recording at least 1 sack, 2 INTs, and 1 FF+FR each season.

McCaffrey had a very unexciting but okay all things considered as a rookie with good production with the usual lackluster efficiency. He took a step back in his second season and was ultimately benched and traded to Pittsburgh over the offseason. It is a much more HB-friendly system there, so we will find out soon enough if it is him or his situation in Toronto that was the issue.

Peppers was taken earlier than his projected slot due to financial concerns, and he provided the team with 77 tackles, 2 INTs, and 1 FF as a rookie.
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05/31/21 2:10:47 AM
#276:


Washington Redskins

CB Jimmy Williams (S2, 11th)
OT Daniel Inman (S3, 16th)
WR Ernie Wheelwright (S4, 32nd)
CB Justin King (S5, 4th)
MLB Taylor Smith (S5, 21st)
QB Jamarcus Russell (S6, 9th)
QB Cam Newton (S7, 30th)
WR Victor Cruz (S8, 17th)
DE J.J. Watt (S9, 11th)
WR Julio Jones (S10, 1st)
OLB Shaq Thompson (S11, 16th)
DE Jadeveon Clowney (S12, 5th)
HB Ezekiel Elliot (S13, 15th)
FS Marcus Maye (S14. 24th)

Another one of those early season CB picks who have long since retired and because they don't put up much statistically, I have a hard time remembering specifics. I am pretty sure his career path was Washington to Titans and back to Washington (maybe another team between Titans and second stint in Washington). I think he went to at least one Pro Bowl. Nice career at any rate as the slot corner for two SB-winning teams in Washington.

We've had an OL of the Year award for the past 12 seasons. Jukkie has drafted a player who won or co-won the award in six of those 12 seasons. The player who won the first three of those six was Inman. Inman has missed most of the past three seasons, but he began his career by being named to the Pro Bowl in his first seven seasons. He has a career line of 848 blocks vs 58 sacks, or 14.6 blocks per sack allowed. Yeah, this dude is certainly a future Hall of Famer.

Wheelwright was drafted as the slot receiver and spent most of his Washington career there being getting his chance to start. He was traded in the big Bills/Washington trade I spoke about way earlier in the Bills 1st round history, and his best statistical seasons have been in Buffalo, including his only 1000 yard season in S11 in which he also made his lone Pro Bowl appearance. Injuries and a role reduction have given him relatively underwhelming stats since then.

Also included in the Bills/Washington deal was King. Having played in every game in his career, including the last 144 starting, King has primarily been a lockdown corner with modest INT and FF+FR production. However, the Bills secondary hasn't been the same since it was messed with a few seasons back. King seems to be doing better than the others though.

Smith was a serviceable starter with average tackling, sack, and INT production and great with FFs+FRs. Washington lost all of their starting LBs within a few seasons of each other, and Smith needed to be more than serviceable when he replaced Brian Urlacher. He hit free agency for the first time this offseason.

Fresh off a SB victory, Washington traded up with the Titans to select Russell after I suppose they must have traded Drew Brees to the Jaguars in the offseason. Russell started three seasons in Washington and was underwhelming. The AI eventually cut him and reunited with Jukkie in New England. He was okay there as a backup and was cut. He found his way to Denver where he's been the #2 or #3 option since.

The first Washington 1st rounder made by an AI, Newton backed up Russell before becoming the starter the following season. His career in Washington was marred by injuries and inconsistency. He made his way to San Francisco. I thought it was a bad signing, but it turned out to be a great one. He was very good starter with the 49ers for two seasons before things got a little ugly his third season and was benched after four games. He was traded to New England for WR Lance Leggett. He had a bounceback first season in New England before being one of the multiple QBs who could not pass at all last season for the Patriots. He eventually signed with the Cowboys after Vince Young was injured and was brilliant for them en route to making the Super Bowl. Six years younger and wanting less than half of what Young was asking, Newton was chosen to lead the Cowboys this season.

Cruz is one of the bigger WR busts that we've had. He played just two seasons in Washington with 39 rec for 308 yards and 2 TDs in 32 games and 3 starts. He has been a free agent since.

Watt was the first of a string of much-needed draft hits for the franchise. He started out with a disappointing rookie season with 18 tackles, 3 sacks, and a FF, but in addition to providing above-average run defense, he has 52 sacks in the past five seasons and four straight trips to the Pro Bowl.

Jones became the first and only WR to go #1 overall. While he has provided a high YPC and had a fantastic S13 Pro Bowl season where he recorded 79 rec for 1111 yards and 10 TDs, his production has taken hits at times because his role has fluctuated due to an annual competition between him and Selwyn Lymon.

Thompson has been part of the underwhelming LB group in Washington. In four seasons, he has 266 tackles, 11 sacks, 7 INTs, 4 FFs, and 4 FRs. That looks okay on paper, but he just hasn't put it all together in a single season. He's now the clear leader at LB, so the time is now.

Clowney has been disappointing in run defense, but has paired with Watt as a formidable pass rushing and disruptive DE tandem with 24 sacks and 7 FFs+FRs in three seasons.

Elliot took a step back in his efficiency from his rookie to sophomore season (3.9 YPC to 3.8), and he isn't utilized as a receiver much, but he has 1 fumble on 700 career touches, which is insane, and he doubled his rushing TDs. With some changes at OL, maybe he turns the corner his third season.

Maye wasn't asked to be the next Bryon Jones, but his 26 tackles, 2 INTs, and a 1 FF while the pass D took some steps back has to be considered disappointing.
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KCF0107
06/03/21 9:17:53 PM
#277:


All rookies should be on the roster sheet, and all cap spaces should be updated.

To do:
- Record the draft class in my draft notebooks
- Add in rookie contracts
- PM users cap space + roster holes ahead of free agency
- Start free agency, likely on weekend
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06/05/21 11:09:03 PM
#278:


I will be posting some things about free agency, and then I will have to type up all the contract offers, which takes forever, but I do want to warn people that there will be multiple wordy posts about free agency. It is a relatively simple affair with you just sending me contract offers to players, but I have many things I like to cover to ensure clarity and fairness for the final offseason event.
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06/05/21 11:09:51 PM
#279:


Free Agency

See all those players in the free agent sheet? Now is the time to attempt to sign them to your team ahead of the preseason. I say attempt because you are in theory competing against the other 31 teams for the services of all availble free agents.

Unlike the three offseason events involving signings, the base/desired deal that I will eventually list may not be enough to sign them, and more likely will not if it is one of the premier free agents available. If you do intend to seek out one or more of those players, you will probably want to send out a custom offer in excess of what they want, whether that means years, total money, signing bonus, or what's usually the case, a combination of the three.

You may not offer a contract to a player that goes beyond their age 34 season unless the base deal already extends beyond that. If a free agent is 31 right now and wants a two-year contract, you may go as far as four years because that would take him through his age-34 season (31, 32, 33, 34). If another free agent is also 31 and wants a five-year contract, you can offer him those five years but no more than that. Any player 28 and under is not affected by this rule as the max contract length, seven years, will take them through their age-34 season or younger.

Not every free agent is up on the sheet. I would estimate that somewhere 15-20% of all free agents are on there. The free agent sheet just lists the Top 8 and Bottom 2 at each position. If there's a certain kind of player that you are looking for that either isn't or don't know if they are on the sheet, feel free to ask me, and I will get back to you if such a player fits that description.
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06/05/21 11:19:20 PM
#280:


There will be three periods of free agency, each subsequent period spanning fewer real life days than the previous one. Here are the tentative real life days each period will last:
1st - 7 days
2nd - 4 days
3rd - 1 day

Here are some sample contract offers that I will accept, including to more simple approaches:
4 / $10.00 mil / $3.00 mil
3 years default + $2 mil total salary + $500k signing bonus
2 years default

When you give me an offer, you are offering my consent to offer the player the closest deal that he will consider, meaning that if you offer 4 / $10.00 mil / $3.00 mil and he will only consider it when it is 4 / $11.00 mil / $3.40 mil, I will offer him the latter. If that does not sit well with you, then you have the simpler options I previously laid out or you can explicitly say not to offer the contract unless he will consider those exact terms.

When you PM me the offers, I want you to include a header that says "[Your Team]'s Offers" so that I don't accidentally open them. In addition to being the commissioner, I am also in charge of the Orcas, so there could be some conflict of interest. Thus, the best way around that is for me to not open those PMs until the deadline for the current phase has passed. I have default PM settings, so you can tell if and when I open a PM of yours. Out of fairness, I will publicly reveal my offers once the deadline has passed and before I open up any PMs.

Under no circumstances may you ask me if so and so player will consider a certain deal or anything of that nature. You may ask me general questions regarding free agency but nothing that goes against the spirit of it or give you a competitive advantage. If you do have a question and use the PM system instead of the topic or Discord, make sure that you are clear that you are asking a question, or I might not open it out of fear the PM containing contract offers. There is at least one user that violates that sends me a PM that has no indication of containing offers but lo and behold, it does. Please make our 15th season the first where I don't run into that problem.

There are two types of contract offers that I will immediately discard:
1. Any mentioning of the word maximum pertaining to total salary and/or signing bonus
2. A massive one year contract (possibly two-year contracts depending on the situation)

The first one I have actually received in the past. I threw it out because it is both unfair in the laziest of ways and also impossible as you can go quite high in total salary, and I do not want to spend 20 minutes inputting a single offer.

The second one is also unfair to teams with lots of cap space to maintain artificial flexibility for future seasons by using up a lot of cap space this season and then sign that same player next season to an uncontested market or below-market contract in the following offseason in a process they can repeat as many times as they can/want.

Also due to fairness, any cuts you wish to make during free agency must be done well ahead of time to give other users enough of a chance to make a bid on their services:
- 96 hours prior to the end of Period 1
- 48 hours prior to the end of Period 2
- No cuts allowed in Period 3

Most users should have been told when they signed their rookies in the spreadsheet, Discord, or via PM of their cap space and roster holes entering free agency. If I did not, feel free to consult the roster sheet and compare with the roster requirements listed in the first column or ask me what your holes are. Should free agency end with there still being holes on your roster, the AI will fill those holes for you. You do not have to be under the salary cap at the end of free agency. I will give users several days after free agency ends to do so.

One big thing that I want to add is that many positions are very sensitive to starting status relative to their rating. QBs, HBs, FSs, CBs, and several other positions have expectations to start when they are around 82 or above. If you desire to sign someone at 82+ and are not expecting them to start for you, I highly urge you to offer them a contract no longer than 2 years in length. It is possible that they might demand a trade after just one season, but attempting to sign them to a 1 or 2 year deal will significantly reduce the financial penalty you would be dealt with if having to move on from them while they are still under contract.
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KCF0107
06/05/21 11:37:49 PM
#281:


QBs
Vince Young - 2 / $39.80 mil / $11.3 mil
Chris Leak - 2 / $21.88 mil / $5.62 mil
Kirby Freeman - 3 / $21.96 mil / $5.01 mil
Andrew Luck - 4 / $29.28 mil / $6.68 mil
Ryan Perrilloux - 3 / $19.17 mil / $4.17 mil
Sam Bradford - 3 / $19.17 mil / $4.17 mil
Colin Kaepernick - 3 / $17.73 mil / $3.72 mil
A.J. McCarron - 4 / $23.64 mil / $4.96 mil
David Fales - 5 / $12.10 mil / $1.95 mil
Joey Wilson - 3 / $6.30 mil / $990k

HBs
LaMarcus Coker - 3 / $23.49 mil / $4.68 mil
Giovannie Bernard - 4 / $31.32 mil / $6.24 mil
Romance Taylor - 3 / $21.84 mil / $4.32 mil
Eddie Lacy - 4 / $29.12 mil / $5.76 mil
Knowshon Moreno - 4 / $26.92 mil / $5.32 mil
Lynell Hamilton - 3 / $20.19 mil / $3.99 mil
Chris Johnson - 3 / $18.54 mil / $3.63 mil
Chris Ivory - 3 / $18.54 mil / $3.63 mil
Billy Booker - 3 / $6.03 mil / $990k
Al Johnson - 5 / $9.20 mil / $1.45 mil

FBs
Javorski Lane - 3 / $15.96 mil / $4.29 mil
Mike Smith - 3 / $14.85 mil / $3.81 mil
Jeremy Knight - 3 / $3.39 mil / $630k
Mac Kennedy - 3 / $3.36 mil / $600k
Joe Hanks - 3 / $3.09 mil / $420k
Anthony Lewis - 3 / $3.09 mil / $420k
Craig Moss - 3 / $3.00 mil / $390k
Anthony Montana - 3 / $3.00 mil / $390k
Gary Johnson - 1 / $740k / $50k
Doug Lott - 1 / $580k / 10k

WRs
O.J. Murdock - 3 / $19.23 mil / $3.24 mil
Fred Rouse - 3 / $17.76 mil / $3.00 mil
James Jones - 3 / $17.76 mil / $3.00 mil
Marques Colston - 4 / $23.68 mil / $4.00 mil
Brandin Cooks - 4 / $23.68 mil / $4.00 mil
Andre Caldwell - 3 / $16.26 mil / $2.73 mil
Cordarrelle Patterson - 4 / $21.68 mil / $3.64 mil
Derrick Williams - 3 / $16.26 mil / $2.73 mil
Alex Wilson - 3 / $6.03 mil / $840k
Leonard Matthews - 3 / $4.83 mil / $600k

TEs
Cameron Brate - 3 / $13.74 mil / $2.67 mil
Jace Amaro - 3 / $9.66 mil / $1.62 mil
Austin Sef Jenkins - 3 / $9.00 mil / $1.44 mil
Kyle Rudolph - 4 / $11.08 mil / $1.68 mil
Larry Donnell - 4 / $10.44 mil / $1.56 mil
Jermaine Gresham - 4 / $9.80 mil / $1.48 mil
Dajleon Farr - 3 / $6.87 mil / $1.02 mil
Jonathan Hannah - 3 / $6.36 mil / $930k
L.J. Jackson - 4 / $4.68 mil / $560k
Rondell Rucker - 3 / $2.79 mil / $300k
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06/05/21 11:54:55 PM
#282:


OTs
Tony Ugoh - 3 / $45.78 mil / $13.2 mil
Reggie Youngblood - 3 / $37.80 mil / $10.7 mil
Zach Strief - 3 / $34.08 mil / $9.60 mil
Kelvin Beachum - 4 / $42.96 mil / $12.0 mil
Eric Winston - 3 / $30.36 mil / $8.46 mil
Joe Thomas - 3 / $26.61 mil / $7.29 mil
Eddie Earwood - 3 / $23.01 mil / $6.12 mil
Levi Brown - 3 / $21.24 mil / $5.55 mil
Trent Johnson - 3 / $4.59 mil / $540k
Herman Miles - 4 / $5.76 mil / $640k

Gs
Sebastian Vollmer - 3 / $25.86 mil / $5.43 mil
Robert Turner - 3 / $24.75 mil / $5.04 mil
Phil Loadholt - 3 / $24.75 mil / $5.04 mil
Clint Boling - 3 / $24.75 mil / $5.04 mil
Taitusi Lutui - 3 / $23.04 mil / $4.68 mil
David Stewart - 3 / $23.04 mil / $4.68 mil
Justin Geisinger - 3 / $21.33 mil / $4.32 mil
Jonathan Martin - 3 / $17.91 mil / $3.60 mil
Amos Teague - 4 / $4.24 mil / $520k
Gary Perz - 4 / $4.24 mil / $520k

Cs
Leroy Harris - 3 / $14.85 mil / $3.66 mil
Justin Britt - 2 / $8.70 mil / $1.98 mil
Chris Myers - 3 / $12.48 mil / $2.82 mil
Matt Paradis - 2 / $7.94 mil / $1.76 mil
David Andrews - 2 / $7.18 mil / $1.54 mi
Mark Fenton - 3 / $9.63 mil / $1.98 mil
Chase Johnson - 3 / $9.63 mil / $1.98 mil
Mike Adams - 3 / $9.06 mil / $1.80 mil
Anthony Stone - 3 / $3.09 mil / $330k
Bubba Carter - 4 / $4.00 mil / $400k

DEs
John Graham - 3 / $25.23 mil / $6.03 mil
Brandon Siler - 3 / $22.02 mil / $4.98 mil
Bobby Garlitz - 3 / $20.49 mil / $4.56 mil
Nick Campbell - 3 / $18.96 mil / $4.11 mil
Brick Massey - 3 / $18.96 mil / $4.11 mil
Vince Hall - 3 / $18.96 mil / $4.11 mil
Kyle Johnson - 3 / $15.93 mil / $3.24 mil
James Morris - 3 / $8.25 mil / $1.02 mil
Wally Springs - 4 / $6.72 mil / $880k
Charlie Dishman - 4 / $6.44 mil / $800k

DTs
Kawann Short - 4 / $42.84 mil / $10.3 mil
Matt Kroul - 3 / $17.07 mil / $3.27 mil
Beau Allen - 4 / $20.76 mil / $4.04 mil
Albert Newell - 3 / $14.07 mil / $2.76 mil
Dominic Lee - 3 / $12.57 mil / $2.52 mil
Demonte Bolden - 3 / $12.57 mil / $2.52 mil
Randy Starks - 3 / $12.57 mil / $2.52 mil
Karl Klugg - 5 / $18.50 mil / $3.60 mil
Larry Grant - 4 / $6.44 mil / $800k
Tim Valentine - 5 / $7.15 mil / $850k
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06/06/21 12:20:03 AM
#283:


OLBs
Justin Houston - 3 / $14.34 mil / $2.76 mil
Dannell Ellerbe - 3 / $12.90 mil / $2.43 mil
Anthony Chickillo - 3 / $10.08 mil / $1.83 mil
Luke Kuechly - 4 / $9.28 mil / $1.52 mil
Manuel Carter - 4 / $8.88 mil / $1.44 mil
Kyle Van Noy - 4 / $8.52 mil / $1.36 mil
Jim Jones - 4 / $8.52 mil / $1.36 mil
Daniel Bush - 4 / $8.52 mil / $1.36 mil
Daunte Baker - 4 / $6.08 mil / $760k
Doug Benson - 4 / $5.52 mil / $680k

MLBs
Austin Zeppuhar - 3 / $19.89 mil / $3.96 mil
Reggie Outlaw - 3 / $16.80 mil / $2.94 mil
Rey Maualuga - 3 / $15.24 mil / $2.43 mil
Chad Carpenter - 3 / $13.65 mil / $1.89 mil
Taylor Smith - 3 / $13.65 mil / $1.89 mil
Mychal Kendricks - 3 / $12.09 mil / $1.38 mil
Ken Reid - 3 / $12.09 mil / $1.38 mil
Joey Kaufman - 3 / $10.53 mil / $870k
Clarence Howard - 2 / $4.16 mil / $500k
Courtney Samuels - 2 / $3.36 mil . $400k

CBs
Patrick Peterson - 3 / $15.39 mil / $2.37 mil
Delvin Breaux - 3 / $15.09 mil / $2.22 mil
Sean Smith - 3 / $9.39 mil / $1.02 mil
Demarcus McGuire - 5 / $14.40 mil / $1.60 mil
Alterraun Verner - 5 / $13.10 mil / $1.45 mil
Jamar Taylor - 5 / $13.10 mil / $1.45 mil
Ladarius Webb - 2 / $5.24 mil / $580k
Allen Gamble - 3 / $7.86 mil / $870k
Jon Mike Reed - 5 / $8.20 mil / $1.05 mil
Ken Bell - 4 / $5.96 mil / $720k

FSs
Mike Mitchell - 3 / $9.30 mil / $1.65 mil
Rob Jackson - 3 / $9.30 mil / $1.65 mil
Kurt Coleman - 3 / $9.30 mil / $1.65 mil
Dorian Monroe - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Kent Hicks - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Duron Harmon - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Jarius Byrd - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Barry Church - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Pete Rogers - 2 / $2.12 mil / $280k
Donald Jones - 4 / $4.20 mil / $520k

SSs
Drew Kelson - 3 / $12.33 mil / $1.23 mil
Jeremy Brewer - 2 / $6.66 mil / $760k
Baccari Rambo - 3 / $8.79 mil / $1.08 mil
George Iloka - 3 / $8.79 mil / $1.08 mil
Adrian Amos - 3 / $8.79 mil / $1.08 mil
David Suggs - 3 / $8.25 mil / $1.08 mil
Mark Barron - 3 / $7.65 mil / $1.05 mil
Morgan Burnett - 3 / $7.05 mil / $1.02 mil
Lennox Floyd - 2 / $3.24 mil / $440k
Anthony Green - 2 / $2.60 mil / $300k

Ks
Sergio Aguayo - 3 / $7.83 mil / $990k
Taylor Melhaff - 3 / $5.58 mil / $750k
Cedric Grier - 3 / $4.90 mil / $690k
Ryan Succop - 3 / $4.56 mil / $630k
Jason Myers - 3 / $4.77 mil / $660k
Cody Parkey - 3 / $4.77 mil / $660k
Will Lutz - 3 / $4.14 mil / $570k
Jason Robbins - 3 / $4.32 mil / $540k
Stephen Lopez - 3 / $2.22 mil / $210k
Omar Terrell - 1 / $570k / $20k

Ps
Scott Kozlowski - 2 / $2.96 mil / $780k
Jacob Richardson - 3 / $4.38 mil / $600k
Bradley Pinion - 3 / $2.79 mil / $540k
Ryan Quigley - 3 / $3.24 mil / $480k
Tim Reyer - 3 / $4.26 mil / $480k
Justin Vogel - 2 / $2.04 mil / $320k
Ty Long - 2 / $2.46 mil / $520k
Matt Bosher - 3 / $3.72 mil / $450k
Neil Wells - 3 / $2.40 mil / $270k
Heath Irvin - 1 / $570k / $20k

The deadline to send me offers for the first period of free agency will be 11:59 PM ET on Saturday, June 12th
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KCF0107
06/07/21 2:41:22 PM
#284:


KCF0107 posted...
If you do have a question and use the PM system instead of the topic or Discord, make sure that you are clear that you are asking a question, or I might not open it out of fear the PM containing contract offers. There is at least one user that violates that sends me a PM that has no indication of containing offers but lo and behold, it does. Please make our 15th season the first where I don't run into that problem.

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Eddv
06/07/21 3:02:24 PM
#285:


Awww here we go

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SockoressKnight
06/09/21 9:19:30 PM
#286:


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KCF0107
06/10/21 12:40:30 AM
#287:


AI trade

Browns receive:
DE Johnny Stegall (87 overall, 32 years old)
OLB Jeremiah Attachou (78, 28)
CB Richard Sherman (78, 31)

Seahawks receive:
OLB Aaron Curry (89, 31)

The Browns will incur a $1.40 mil cap penalty to turn an $8.34 mil cap hit into $5.58 mil in cap hits

The Seahawks will incur a $3.06 mil cap penalty to turn $8.64 mil in cap hits into a $6.94 mil cap hit

The Browns felt that other LBs have surpassed Curry in performance over the years and were looking to sell high on him now, and they get back three potential starters in return, two of which are under contract for multiple seasons. Stegall immediately improves a suspect DL. Sherman can potentially form a new tandem with Janoris Jenkins or at least be on the field a lot in the slot. Attachou can compete with Kris Perry and Jacob Martin for Curry's old spot. They also fill two additional holes and save nearly $1.5 mil in cap space.

The Seahawks find Justin Houston's replacement in Curry who helps remake this LB group for them. At 31, he still has several years of high play left in him. It did come at the cost of their longtime DE Stegall, another starter in Sherman, and what could have been Houston's replacement in Attachou, but with saving almost two mil in cap space while owning the league's most cap space, they can easily afford replacements in free agency.

The Browns understood the trade parameters, the financial impact, the histories of all players involved, and why this makes sense for the Seahawks.

This trade is now official.
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06/12/21 1:07:51 AM
#288:


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ScareChan
06/12/21 9:58:33 PM
#289:


Hype?

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06/12/21 11:06:24 PM
#290:


Hype.

Will participate in the next period. I was gonna this time, but got offered a new job so kinda got distracted.

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Emeraldegg
06/12/21 11:29:46 PM
#291:


You still have 30 minutes!
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06/13/21 1:45:10 AM
#292:


Okay, I will begin opening PMs soon, but first, I want to post the contract offers I will be making in the first phase

QB Leak 2 / $27.0 mil / $7.00 mil
HB Coker 3 / $26.0 mil / $6.00 mil
FB Kennedy 3 / $3.36 mil / $600k
CB Peterson 3 / $17.00 mil / $3.60 mil

And then a bunch of players not on the list

OT Good 3 year default
WR Chaney 3 year asking price
WR Carter 3 year asking price
QB Winston 5 year asking price
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06/13/21 3:23:41 AM
#293:


First Round of Free Agency

Broncos sign TE Jonathan Hannah to a 3 year deal
Broncos sign QB Andrew Luck to a 4 year deal
Brocnos sign G Kelvin Chiasson to a 3 year deal
Browns sign TE Cameron Brate to a 3 year deal
Browns sign HB Billy Booker to a 3 year deal
Browns sign K Cody Parkey to a 2 year deal
Chiefs sign CB Sean Smith to a 3 year deal
Cowboys sign OT Johnny Coker to a 3 year deal
Cowboys sign FB Jeremy Knight to a 3 year deal
Cowboys sign HB Justin Vincent to a 3 year deal
Cowboys sign G Jeromy Clary to a 3 year deal
Eagles sign FS Donald Jones to a 4 year deal
Express sign WR Demiko Goodman to a 3 year deal
Express sign DE Cameron Morrah to a 3 year deal
Express sign K Sergio Aguayo to a 3 year deal
Express sign DE Kevin Simon to a 3 year deal
Express sign HB Erik Haw to a 3 year deal
49ers sign WR Cordarelle Patterson to a 4 year deal
Lions sign WR Leonard Matthews to a 4 year deal
Orcas sign QB Chris Leak to a 2 year deal
Orcas sign FB Mac Kennedy to a 3 year deal
Orcas sign HB LaMarcus Coker to a 3 year deal
Orcas sign WR Xavier Carter to a 3 year deal
Orcas sign QB Jameis Winston to a 5 year deal
Orcas sign WR Quentin Chaney to a 3 year deal
Orcas sign OT Denzelle Good to a 3 year deal
Orcas sign CB Patrick Peterson to a 3 year deal
Panthers sign DE Bobby Garlitz to a 3 year deal
Patriots sign FS Duron Harmon to a 3 year deal
Patriots sign FB Mike Smith to a 3 year deal
Patriots sign G Amos Teague to a 4 year deal
Patriots sign P Scott Kozlowski to a 2 year deal
Patriots sign OT Herman Miles to a 4 year deal
Patriots sign QB Joey Wilson to a 3 year deal
Patriots sign OLB Doug Benson to a 4 year deal
Patriots sign TE Rondell Rucker to a 3 year deal
Patriots sign DT Tim Valentine to a 5 year deal
Pioneers sign DE LaMarr Woodley to a 3 year deal
Pioneers sign QB Chad Henne to a 3 year deal
Pioneers sign WR Jayson Swain to a 3 year deal
Pioneers sign CB Anthony Wiseman to a 2 year deal
Pioneers sign OT Zach Strief to a 3 year deal
Raiders sign HB Alfred Blue to a 5 year deal
Rams sign HB Romance Taylor to a 3 year deal
Rams sign Dajleon Farr to a 3 year deal
Rams sign G Taitusi Lutui to a 3 year deal
Ravens sign QB Kirby Freeman to a 3 year deal
Ravens sign TE Brandon Pettigrew to a 3 year deal
Ravens sign G Shannon Tevaga to a 3 year deal
Ravens sign FS Kyle Jackson to a 3 year deal
Ravens sign K Taylor Melhaff to a 3 year deal
Ravens sign WR Michael Crabtree to a 4 year deal
Seahawks sign G Brett Palmer to a 4 year deal
Seahawks sign TE Delanie Walker to a 3 year deal
Seahawks sign DE Brick Massey to a 3 year deal
Seahawks sign DT Kawann Short to a 4 year deal
Seahawks sign G Freddy Saint-Preux to a 3 year deal
Seahawks sign HB Shane Archie to a 3 year deal
Seahawks sign WR Eddie Royal to a 3 year deal
Seahawks sign DE Jeremiah Castorani to a 4 year deal
Seahawks sign OLB Shaun Dion Hamilton to a 3 year deal
Seahawks sign FS Atari Howard to a 4 year deal
Seahawks sign CB Delvin Breaux to a 3 year deal
Titans sign C Justin Britt to a 3 year deal
Titans sign TE L.J. Jackson to a 4 year deal
Titans sign QB Vince Young to a 2 year deal
Vikings sign QB David Fales to a 5 year deal
Vikings sign WR Mario Urruttia to a 3 year deal
Vikings sign FB Javorski Lane to a 3 year deal
Vikings sign DE Ty Steinkuhler to a 2 year deal
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Ranlom
06/13/21 5:33:18 AM
#294:


Super bummed we didn't get Patrick Peterson, but I'm dying laughing at the Broncos signing Andrew Luck! Did they just give up?

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KCF0107
06/13/21 5:42:36 AM
#295:


QBs
Ryan Perrilloux - 3 / $19.17 mil / $4.17 mil
Sam Bradford - 3 / $19.17 mil / $4.17 mil
Colin Kaepernick - 3 / $17.73 mil / $3.72 mil
A.J. McCarron - 4 / $23.64 mil / $4.96 mil
Michael Turner - 3 / $17.73 mil / $3.72 mil
Matt Ryan - 3 / $17.73 mil / $3.72 mil
Jake Christensen - 3 / $16.32 mil / $3.30 mil
Ryan Lindley - 4 / $21.76 mil / $4.40 mil
Ernie Smith - 5 / $12.10 mil / $1.95 mil
C.J. Trapp - 5 / $12.10 mil / $1.95 mil

HBs
Giovanni Bernard - 4 / $31.32 mil / $6.24 mil
Eddie Lacy - 4 / $29.12 mil / $5.76 mil
Knowshon Moreno - 4 / $26.92 mil / $5.32 mil
Lynell Hamilton - 3 / $20.19 mil / $3.99 mil
Chris Johnson - 3 / $18.54 mil / $3.63 mil
Chris Ivory - 3 / $18.54 mil / $3.63 mil
Le'Veon Bell - 4 / $24.72 mil / $4.84 mil
Ben Slater - 4 / $22.48 mil / $4.36 mil
Tre Mason - 5 / $13.45 mil / $2.35 mil
Al Johnson - 5 / $9.20 mil / $1.45 mil

FBs
Joe Hanks - 3 / $3.09 mil / $420k
Anthony Lewis - 3 / $3.09 mil / $420k
Craig Moss - 3 / $3.00 mil / $390k
Anthony Montana - 3 / $3.00 mil / $390k
Gabe Reid - 3 / $3.00 mil / $390k
Clyde Johnson - 3 / $3.15 mil / $390k
Toby Hubbard - 3 / $3.15 mil / $390k
Jaret Lewis - 3 / $2.91 mil / $360k
Gary Johnson - 1 / $740k / $50k
Doug Lott - 1 / $580k / 10k

WRs
O.J. Murdock - 3 / $19.23 mil / $3.24 mil
Fred Rouse - 3 / $17.76 mil / $3.00 mil
James Jones - 3 / $17.76 mil / $3.00 mil
Marques Colston - 4 / $23.68 mil / $4.00 mil
Brandin Cooks - 4 / $23.68 mil / $4.00 mil
Andre Caldwell - 3 / $16.26 mil / $2.73 mil
Derrick Williams - 3 / $16.26 mil / $2.73 mil
Keenan Allen - 4 / $21.68 mil / $3.64 mil
Ian Shelton - 5 / $11.40 mil / $1.65 mil
Alex Wilson - 3 / $6.03 mil / $840k

TEs
Jace Amaro - 3 / $9.66 mil / $1.62 mil
Austin Sef Jenkins - 3 / $9.00 mil / $1.44 mil
Kyle Rudolph - 4 / $11.08 mil / $1.68 mil
Larry Donnell - 4 / $10.44 mil / $1.56 mil
Jermaine Gresham - 4 / $9.80 mil / $1.48 mil
Crockett Gilmore - 4 / $8.48 mil / $1.24 mil
Jeff Heuerman - 4 / $8.48 mil / $1.24 mil
Clive Walford - 4 / $8.48 mil / $1.24 mil
Antonio Jensen - 4 / $4.84 mil / $600k
Akeem Frazier - 4 / $4.68 mil / $560k
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KCF0107
06/13/21 5:47:52 AM
#296:


OTs
Tony Ugoh - 3 / $45.78 mil / $13.2 mil
Reggie Youngblood - 3 / $37.80 mil / $10.7 mil
Kelvin Beachum - 4 / $42.96 mil / $12.0 mil
Eric Winston - 3 / $30.36 mil / $8.46 mil
Joe Thomas - 3 / $26.61 mil / $7.29 mil
Eddie Earwood - 3 / $23.01 mil / $6.12 mil
Levi Brown - 3 / $21.24 mil / $5.55 mil
Russ Burke - 3 / $19.44 mil / $4.95 mil
Michael Walker - 4 / $6.12 mil / $720k
Trent Johnson - 3 / $4.59 mil / $540k

Gs
Sebastian Vollmer - 3 / $25.86 mil / $5.43 mil
Robert Turner - 3 / $24.75 mil / $5.04 mil
Phil Loadholt - 3 / $24.75 mil / $5.04 mil
Clint Boling - 3 / $24.75 mil / $5.04 mil
David Stewart - 3 / $23.04 mil / $4.68 mil
Justin Geisinger - 3 / $21.33 mil / $4.32 mil
Jonathan Martin - 3 / $17.91 mil / $3.60 mil
Max Garcia - 3 / $17.91 mil / $3.60 mil
Marvin Glover - 4 / $4.28 mil / $560k
Gary Perz - 4 / $4.24 mil / $520k

Cs
Leroy Harris - 3 / $14.85 mil / $3.66 mil
Chris Myers - 3 / $12.48 mil / $2.82 mil
Matt Paradis - 2 / $7.94 mil / $1.76 mil
David Andrews - 2 / $7.18 mil / $1.54 mi
Mark Fenton - 3 / $9.63 mil / $1.98 mil
Chase Johnson - 3 / $9.63 mil / $1.98 mil
Mike Adams - 3 / $9.06 mil / $1.80 mil
Nick Martin - 3 / $8.49 mil / $1.65 mil
Anthony Stone - 3 / $3.09 mil / $330k
Bubba Carter - 4 / $4.00 mil / $400k

DEs
John Graham - 3 / $25.23 mil / $6.03 mil
Brandon Siler - 3 / $22.02 mil / $4.98 mil
Nick Campbell - 3 / $18.96 mil / $4.11 mil
Vince Hall - 3 / $18.96 mil / $4.11 mil
Kyle Johnson - 3 / $15.93 mil / $3.24 mil
James Morris - 3 / $8.25 mil / $1.02 mil
Ted Beardless - 3 / $8.25 mil / $1.02 mil
Vinny Curry - 5 / $13.75 mil / $1.70 mil
Wally Springs - 4 / $6.72 mil / $880k
Charlie Dishman - 4 / $6.44 mil / $800k

DTs
Matt Kroul - 3 / $17.07 mil / $3.27 mil
Beau Allen - 4 / $20.76 mil / $4.04 mil
Albert Newell - 3 / $14.07 mil / $2.76 mil
Dominic Lee - 3 / $12.57 mil / $2.52 mil
Demonte Bolden - 3 / $12.57 mil / $2.52 mil
Randy Starks - 3 / $12.57 mil / $2.52 mil
Karl Klugg - 5 / $18.50 mil / $3.60 mil
Frank Okam - 3 / $11.10 mil / $2.16 mil
Nate Kennedy - 4 / $6.72 mil / $880k
Larry Grant - 4 / $6.44 mil / $800k
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KCF0107
06/13/21 5:53:55 AM
#297:


OLBs
Justin Houston - 3 / $14.34 mil / $2.76 mil
Dannell Ellerbe - 3 / $12.90 mil / $2.43 mil
Anthony Chickillo - 3 / $10.08 mil / $1.83 mil
Luke Kuechly - 4 / $9.28 mil / $1.52 mil
Manuel Carter - 4 / $8.88 mil / $1.44 mil
Kyle Van Noy - 4 / $8.52 mil / $1.36 mil
Jim Jones - 4 / $8.52 mil / $1.36 mil
Daniel Bush - 4 / $8.52 mil / $1.36 mil
Corey Westbrook - 4 / $6.08 mil / $760k
Daunte Baker - 4 / $6.08 mil / $760k

MLBs
Austin Zeppuhar - 3 / $19.89 mil / $3.96 mil
Reggie Outlaw - 3 / $16.80 mil / $2.94 mil
Rey Maualuga - 3 / $15.24 mil / $2.43 mil
Chad Carpenter - 3 / $13.65 mil / $1.89 mil
Taylor Smith - 3 / $13.65 mil / $1.89 mil
Mychal Kendricks - 3 / $12.09 mil / $1.38 mil
Ken Reid - 3 / $12.09 mil / $1.38 mil
Joey Kaufman - 3 / $10.53 mil / $870k
Clarence Howard - 2 / $4.16 mil / $500k
Courtney Samuels - 2 / $3.36 mil . $400k

CBs
Demarcus McGuire - 5 / $14.40 mil / $1.60 mil
Alterraun Verner - 5 / $13.10 mil / $1.45 mil
Jamar Taylor - 5 / $13.10 mil / $1.45 mil
Ladarius Webb - 2 / $5.24 mil / $580k
Allen Gamble - 3 / $7.86 mil / $870k
Captain Munnerlyn - 2 / $5.24 mil / $580k
Martin Brown - 2 / $5.24 mil / $580k
Darrell Cruz - 2 / $5.24 mil / $580k
Jon Mike Reed - 5 / $8.20 mil / $1.05 mil
Ken Bell - 4 / $5.96 mil / $720k

FSs
Mike Mitchell - 3 / $9.30 mil / $1.65 mil
Rob Jackson - 3 / $9.30 mil / $1.65 mil
Kurt Coleman - 3 / $9.30 mil / $1.65 mil
Dorian Monroe - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Kent Hicks - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Jarius Byrd - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Barry Church - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
J.J. Wilcox - 3 / $8.88 mil / $1.53 mil
Andrew Edwards - 2 / $2.94 mil / $440k
Pete Rogers - 2 / $2.12 mil / $280k

SSs
Drew Kelson - 3 / $12.33 mil / $1.23 mil
Jeremy Brewer - 2 / $6.66 mil / $760k
Baccari Rambo - 3 / $8.79 mil / $1.08 mil
George Iloka - 3 / $8.79 mil / $1.08 mil
Adrian Amos - 3 / $8.79 mil / $1.08 mil
David Suggs - 3 / $8.25 mil / $1.08 mil
Mark Barron - 3 / $7.65 mil / $1.05 mil
Morgan Burnett - 3 / $7.05 mil / $1.02 mil
Lennox Floyd - 2 / $3.24 mil / $440k
Anthony Green - 2 / $2.60 mil / $300k

Ks
Cedric Grier - 3 / $4.90 mil / $690k
Ryan Succop - 3 / $4.56 mil / $630k
Jason Myers - 3 / $4.77 mil / $660k
Will Lutz - 3 / $4.14 mil / $570k
Jason Robbins - 3 / $4.32 mil / $540k
Chris Boswell - 3 / $3.54 mil / $510k
Greg Zuerlein - 3 / $3.75 mil / $480k
Kevin Kelly - 3 / $3.75 mil / $480k
Stephen Lopez - 3 / $2.22 mil / $210k
Omar Terrell - 1 / $570k / $20k

Ps
Jacob Richardson - 3 / $4.38 mil / $600k
Bradley Pinion - 3 / $2.79 mil / $540k
Ryan Quigley - 3 / $3.24 mil / $480k
Tim Reyer - 3 / $4.26 mil / $480k
Justin Vogel - 2 / $2.04 mil / $320k
Ty Long - 2 / $2.46 mil / $520k
Matt Bosher - 3 / $3.72 mil / $450k
Ivan Dockett - 3 / $3.21 mil / $450k
Neil Wells - 3 / $2.40 mil / $270k
Heath Irvin - 1 / $570k / $20k

The deadline to send me offers for the first period of free agency will be Noon ET on Wednesday, June 16th
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KCF0107
06/13/21 6:11:48 AM
#298:


Trade

Orcas receive:
LG Jeremiah Poutasi (79 overall, 26 years old)
RG Wyatt Teller (79, 22)
Falcons S16 7th round pick
Packers S16 6th round pick

Packers receive:
WR Lance Simms (70, 24 )
RG Isaiah Larsen (70, 24)
Orcas S16 3rd round pick
Orcas S16 5th round pick

Full disclosure: This trade has been saved in the game for quite some time now. I was trying to get specifics from this potential trade to relay to Packers while simultaneously renaming signed rookies, and I guess I saved it at one point. Because I am lazy and haven't had the motivation to add Orcas financials to the sheet, I do not have the accurate financial figures on their end.

Orcas incur a roughly $750k cap penalty to turn around $2.75 mil in cap hits into $4.21 mil in cap hits

Packers incur a $1.45 mil cap penalty to turn $5.14 mil in cap hits into $1.97 mil in cap hits.

The Orcas have been doing a major makeover this offseason, especially on offense. While both Gs have seen very little of the field, Wyatt is what the Orcas are looking for in a G while Poutasi is in there because the Packers would have incurred more in cap penalties by trading other Gs. This fulfilles their G requirements and helped out in free agency being able to narrow searches in pursuit of higher-end players. With the Orcas having already given up their 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks next season, the Orcas felt they might as well give up draft picks they had to grab depth pieces with multiple years of control.

The Packers gain major cap relief while also plugging a hole by sending out mere depth that will afford them several routes they can take to fill their remaining hole in free agency. They also gain even more draft capital for next season that gives them plenty of flexibility during that time.

Both parties demonstrated that they understood the trade parameters, the financial impact, the (lack of) history of all players, and what each team hoped to achieve. This trade is now official.
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LiquidOshawott
06/13/21 9:05:03 AM
#299:


Looking to shop draft picks or Olivier Vernon for secondary support (Free Safety especially)

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SockoressKnight
06/13/21 9:23:40 AM
#300:


Figured KCF would target Leak rather than Young, but I'm kinda surprised no one else wanted him.

So, uh....will the cap be increased any?

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