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I am now up to 16 out of 22

KCF0107 posted...

Even if you plan to attend the draft on any or all days, it would really help me out if you send me something from the above list (strategy/queue/conditional).

So the draft runs as smoothly as it possibly, I create a spreadsheet where I create detailed draft plans for all user teams in case I have to draft for them. If I am given a strategy/queue/conditional (especially one that encompasses the entire draft) from a team, then I do not have to waste my time and effort for said team. Please do this as having to come up with draft plans for 22 user teams would possibly take me 10+ hours to do.

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Just because, I felt like it, why don't we go through each franchise's history in the first round of the draft? I'm not ranking the teams or the selections within each team, but I will reveal who, when, where, and make a comment on each player's career.

Atlanta Falcons

QB Darrell Hackney (S2, 26th)
OT Winston Justice(S3, 1st)
QB Chad Henne (S4, 8th)
QB Graham Harrell(S5, 27th)
DE Doug Worthington (S6, 25th)
DT Domata Peko (S8, 29th)
CB Aaron Williams (S9, 19th)
OLB Pernell McPhee (S10, 21st)
TE Cameron Brate(S11, 21st)
CB Xavier Rhodes(S12, 2nd)
HB David Johnson(S13, 14th)
QB Patrick Mahomes (S14, 19th)

I loved Hackney. Even by scrambler standards, he was a terrible QB whose career passer rating was in the upper 50s or lower 60s. He was the S4 starter, and he proceeded to have 30+ INTs and fumbles on what was a Bottom 5 offense. The Falcons were outscored that season by 80 points because the defense was ranked like 19th or 20th in the league, but they improbably went 9-7, earned a wild card spot, and won a playoff game. We've had some other unworthy playoff teams, including a 6-10 division winner that also won a playoff game, but there's an argument that the S4 Falcons were the worst playoff team in our history. Hackney ended up being the first 1st rounder to leave the league as his poor play torpedoed his rating and was ultimately purged after hitting free agency.

The well-traveled Justice, currently on his fourth team, has had a solid career. He has started 112 games and played in 152 total with a career block:sack ratio just under 9. He may not have lit the league on fire and Daniel Inman being in this same draft class hurts his outlook, but he's been worthy as a starter wherever he's gone.

Henne started S5 after the Hackney debacle, and that turned out to be the only season that he's been a full-time starter. It was a forgettable season with just over 2100 yards, 14 TDs, 14 INTs, and a mid-50s completion % (good for a 69.9 passer rating) where the rest of the team carried the team to an 11-5 record before being upset in the first playoff game by the eventual champion Washington. He has since bounced around the NFC as a rather high-end backup (didn't do so hot Carolina but has been excellent in Seattle and with the Giants). He's a free agent now, but a team looking for a backup that won't demand to be starting games might want to look his way.

Harrell, taken after being displeased with Hackney and Henne has since been purged from the league, and since he didn't have an impression like Hackney, I have nothing to back up my claim that I have doubts that he even started a game in his career. He might have just played out his contract, entered the market, and never got signed.

While some players taken after him have only just begun their careers, Worthington has been the best 1st round pick by the Falcons. A backup his first two seasons, Worthington has proved durable the past seven, failing to miss a game. He has accrued 61 sacks in those seven season (six with Atlanta, and the past season with Tampa Bay) and was named to the Pro Bowl in S13. While that may not jump out to you, it's his consistency that I find impressive as he he had 8-11 sacks in each of his six seasons as the Falcons starter (he had 7 with Tampa last season).

Peko was a BPA pick by the Falcons and traded his rookie season to the Titans. I'm not sure what was involved in this trade, but I am assuming that Jonathan Babineux was involved in the trade. Stan would know. Anyway, Peko played in 13 games with 9 starts that season between the two clubs and produced a respectable 36 tackles with 5 sacks and a FF. I wonder if the Titans converted to a 3-4 after this because he never started a game after that, adding just a dozen tackles since his rookie season. He has been a free agent since his rookie contract ended.

Williams has recorded different INT totals in each of his six seasons and has been named to three Pro Bowls. A reduced role and a disappointing Falcons pass D has led a bit of ratings regression for Williams. At least he's been productive even if it is unclear how good of a CB he really is.

McPhee has yet to have that breakout season one would want to see out of him. He did have 86 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 FFs, and 5 FRs last season, all but the FFs setting or matching a career best for him, so he's trending in the right direction at the very least.

Across four seasons, Brate had 153 rec for 1077 yards, 8 TDs in 52 games and starts. Even in one of the league's lowest passing volume offenses and TEs being the way that they are, that is not what you see out of your first round pick. He is the league's second-best run-blocking TE, and it appears that he did have a positive impact on David Johnson, Javorski Lane, and Andrew Sweeney. He's a free agent now though.

Rhodes has increased his INT in each season and recorded a FF for the first time last season. That's really all you can say as the aforementioned lackluster passing D hasn't exactly made it seem like the team made the right decision at #2.

Johnson has actually begun his career with 4.0+ YPC campaigns, which is actually quite impressive for a HB starting out. Unfortunately, he was a backup in his rookie season and missed half of S14, so with 262 career rushing attempts, it's a relatively sample size when compared to someone like Melvin Gordon who gets that many carries in a month. He has a sub 5.0 receiving YPC, but I'm waiting to see a full season with a much better passer to know if he's just going to be a complete non-factor in that department.

While only one rookie was the full-time starter for their team, one could argue that last season was collectively the most impressive year by rookie QBs. The Falcons were undefeated in Mahomes' starts (6-0) as he posted an 88.7 passer rating on 64.3% completion and twice as many passing TDs as INTs (8 to 4). Apparently, management doesn't like Mahomes for whatever reason? I know that they missed the draft and a neutral party selected Mahomes for them, but how can you not be excited?
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That took way longer than I thought, so with me currently having to created detailed draft plans for six teams still (please make this 0 holdouts), I don't know if I will be able to go through all 32 before the draft like I originally planned.
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Yeah according to my PMs it looks like it was a swap of DTs and OTs. I got rookie DT Peko and OT Justice while Falcons got rookie OT Mark Merriman and DT Babineaux. Picks were involved too but who cares about that?

Worth noting that 3 of Mahomes INTs came in 1 game too. I remember because it was against me. Was like a 1 TD 3 INT game where the Falcons won despite only getting 100-150 yards to my 300+

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12niLIXeKB4H6Q1vxHcxdp8C50qfuWyVLU1m-AFOvlHE/edit

Here's my mock, posting first since I usually enter all 3 into a master sheet and want to be transparent lol
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Here's mine

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a6KMGlBgXmUydzMNVByWIbD9IQ9rPiyQMF8kCjSdveA/edit?usp=drivesdk

May as well post mine too then!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kUvUtkagMwwmIVMbASBthvcJovQyMHHQ624nDGIFzqg/edit?usp=sharing

I will post my KCF-only draft after the first round concludes because I don't want to influence any picks in that manner.
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Shit, I still need to send you my draft info

I havent forgotten.....just been out of town

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Baltimore Ravens

QB Omar Jacobs (S2, 13th)
WR Calvin Johnson (S3, 5th)
CB Zackary Bowman (S4, 27th)
OT Eugene Monroe (S5, 17th)
WR Fred Rouse (S6, 12th)
OT King Dunlap (S7, 31th)
HB Doug Martin (S9, 5th)
OT Terron Armstead (S10, 25th)
CB Robert Alford (S11, 15th)
C Ryan Kelly (S12, 23th)
DE Stephen Tuitt (S13, 24th)
G James Daniels (S14, 23rd)

Succeeding Billy Volek in S3, Jacobs had an excellent start to his starting career. In S3-S7, Jacobs completed over 63% of his passes and had a roughly 80 passer rating as had the league's lowest INT% using whatever minimum threshold I was using back then (I forget, but I distinctly remembering him having the lowest INT%). It was and still is a run-first offense, but Jacobs was a perfect fit and actually nearly threw for 3000 yards on two occasions, including his first season as a starter in S3. However, S8 began a sudden downward spiral for him. He had a 54.4 passer rating while throwing 3 times as many INTs as TDs (24 to 8) while complete less than 55% of his passes. Baltimore blew the team up after that, which included trading Jacobs to the Chiefs. He had a bit of a resurgent season in his Chiefs debut, but his second season there was worse than his S8 and was ultimately benched and eventually left the Chiefs after S11. He bounced around the league after that, landing backup jobs in Tampa and Portland where he only saw snaps in S13 when he threw 3 INTs with under 45% completion for the Bucs. A sad end and second half career for Jacobs, but his first five starting seasons were great for him and the Ravens as it included a Super Bowl appearance, and he did rush for almost 2000 yards in his career.

Again, the Ravens are one of the more prolific rushing teams in our league's history, so it was unlikely that Calvin was going to put up Hall of Fame stats. Still, he was a week one starter, and even with losing an entire season to injury, he put up a respectable 664 rec for 7504 yards and 59 TDs. His best seasons were late in his career with Ben Roethlisberger at the helm where he put up 172 rec for 1927 yards, and 19 TDs in his age 32 and 33 seasons (S12 and 13). He gave what the Ravens needed.

A starter every season since S5, Bowman has never been a ballhawk with only one season of three or more INTs, the Ravens have the league's lowest average defensive ranking in league history. Since he's been a starter for roughly 70% of those seasons, I'd say he's been a great coverage guy, which is really hard to ask for more from a CB.

Monroe has only eclipsed the 60 block mark twice in his 10 year career, but he boasts a career 12:1 block:sack ratio (495 vs 41) and if you take out an uncharacteristically S8 (not a great year for Baltimore) where he posted 46 blocks against 11 sacks, that balloons to 14.9! He is also one of a handful of OL to boast 99 run and pass block ratings, so he has to be considered one of the league's best OTs.

Rouse was drafted to be the eventual #2 WR in, sorry to sound like a broken record, a rushing offense, so he was never going to have much of an impact on the field. He is currently a free agent, but he played 8 seasons in Baltimore with 257 rec for 3253 yards, 16 TDs in 128 games with 64 starts. He was durable at least, but he certainly was not worth the 12th pick.

A swing OL for the first six seasons of his career (began by playing in all 96 games with 38 starts), he became the team's starting RT in his age 28 season and has responded by giving the team 136 blocks against 8 sacks in S13-14. The Ravens have what seems to be one of the best OT tandems in the league.

Martin was not the team's first choice as they want QBs Ryan Tannehill or Kirk Cousins, but Doug Martin is one of the best HBs in the league with 7424 rushing yards and 47 rushing TDs on 4.5 YPC (never had a season lower than 4.2) in his first six seasons despite missing at least one game in each season (missed 18 games total). He was everything the team could have hoped for and more after Deuce McAllister retired.

Armstead was not expected to be a long-term answer along the exterior, but he was a capable fill-in with 67 blocks againsy 7 sacks in 30 games with a handful of starts across his four seasons with the Ravens.

Alford is coming off of his best season with 3 INTs and 3 FRs and is now the top-rated CB on the team. With the careers of Bowman and Leodis McKelvin winding down, he is likely there to stay for the foreseeable future.

Kelly has improved his block:sack ratio in each of his three seasons, culminating in a 58:9 line in S14 (6.4 blocks per sack allowed is good for an interior OL) He should be able to anchor this line until nearly the project's end.

As the only non-CB defensive first round pick by Baltimore, Tuitt has oddly been a non-factor in run defense with more starts than tackles (32 to 27), but he has emerged as a playmaker after recording 10 sacks, 1 FF, and 1 FR in his sophomore season.

The eventual successor to Toniu Fonoti, or Jeff Allen if he isn't re-signed next offseason, Daniels surprisingly fell to Baltimore at 23 and had 8 blocks without giving up a sack in his three appearances. With the relative youth of the Ravens, they might soon be considered having the league's best OL, if they aren't already.
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Buffalo Bills

OLB Pierre Woods (S2, 23rd)
QB Paul Thompson (S3, 10th)
HB Courtney Lewis (S3, 28th)
TE Greg Olsen (S4, 7th)
MLB Brandon Siller (S4, 28th)
OT Justin Schifano (S5, 5th)
WR Selwyn Lymon (S6, 13th)
MLB Luke Kuechly (S8, 28th)
OLB Jelani Jenkins (S9, 10th)
CB Desmond Trufant (S10, 19th)
QB Derek Carr (S10, 22nd)
DE Chandler Jones (S11, 8th)
HB Todd Gurley (S12, 4th)
OT Garrett Bolles (S13, 8th)
DE Arik Armstead (S14, 26th)

One of the reasons why I encourage people to not make true position changes is that you generally pay for rating and receive much less production and impact in return. Woods didn't have much of a career with Buffalo, but when he went to the Browns and eventually became a DE, he has actually been quite productive. I don't think he's made much of an impact, but in his 13 seasons, he has 85 career sacks, the vast majority of them coming from his time as a DE with the Browns. I would say that he has been a success story.

New management had just traded Tom Brady for five draft picks and wanted to draft his successor. Well, that turned out to be Thompson after Vince Young and Chris Leak were taken in the Top 5. His first two seasons were promising where he posted over 5400 yards and 36 TDs, but he had accuracy issues with completing roughly 53% of his passes. He didn't start for Buffalo again after that. He made his way to Denver, Columbus, and Tampa after that. He did start 11 games for the Broncos in S7 where he had a mid-70s passer rating on 60% passing, and he ultimately won a ring with the team in S9 and made another Super Bowl with the Pioneers in S13. He may not have had a Hall of Fame career, but he did win a ring, and players like Chris Leak haven't even tasted playoff victory before.

Lewis was the first of the five aforementioned picks received from Tampa. Lewis was one vote shy of becoming a Hall of Famer, even if his "worst" years were in Buffalo. He was Clinton Portis' backup and saw plenty of action, but he really turned the corner as an annual mid-season injury pick up extraordinaire. He flourished in Carolina, Miami, and Pittsburgh, maybe not in that order, before being yet another mid-season pickup by the Vikings when then-starter Julius Jones went down. Lewis led the league in yards from scrimmage since he was signed that season, including leading all HBs in receiving yards despite playing in a fraction of what the rest played. He remained on the Vikings, becoming their full-time starter, and he was a HB of the Year candidate every season he was there. He ended his career as a SB champion.

In a league where TEs don't make a huge impact and have the stats that they do, seeing the Bills select a TE so high was unexpected to say the least, especially considering that he wasn't even the top-rated TE prospect in his draft. I'm almost certain he was never a TE of the Year candidate during his...four seasons with the Bills? He seriously has played nearly twice as long in Green Bay than Buffalo? I thought it was closer than that, but man time flies. Anyway, it was more of the same initially with the Packers, whom Tangicide has informed me was the first player he acquired when he entered the league, until the late-career renaissance he's had where he has posted three-straight 500 yard seasons. Looking at his stats in Green Bay, he's really been a great fit here. Even if the yardage hasn't come with Tyrod Taylor being a run-first, run-second QB, he has YPC of 8.2 or higher in all but one season in Green Bay, including an 11.0 season, admittedly with just 27 rec that season.

Siler was selected with the final pick from the Tom Brady trade. He was Ronald McKinnon's backup to begin, but he was ultimately released (or traded, I don't remember) before his contract ran out. At some point, whether in Buffalo or later, he was converted to a DE where he has provided almost nothing in the pass-rushing department (aside from an 11 sack outburst in S10, he had three or fewer sacks in six of his other seven seasons with the Pioneers), and has wildly varried in his apparent run defense (many seasons with 35-45 tackles and several in the teens). Basically, he has coasted off of what I said about Woods. He was the starting LE for the SB champion Pioneers this past season, so that counts for something right?

An excellent backup to begin his career, Schifano was shifted to G in S7 where he saw his block and sack figures drop in his three seasons starting there for Buffalo. He was part of the package in the blockbuster trade with Washington that included five total former first rounders. He had a rough start in Washington, but has settled to become a key cog of their offense with all the turnover on the OL as he has 128 blocks against 19 sacks in the past three seasons.

Lymon was sort of a rich man's Derek Hagan, a WR with a high rating stemming more from their work as a returner and proving very little as a WR. He was sold high and included in the deal with Schifano after setting career highs at that point with 714 yards and 9 TDs (on a whopping 17.4 YPC). He battled a few injuries and never really improved upon that last season in Buffalo until he broke out in a big way last season by posting 78 rec for 1188 yards (15.2 YPC) and 6 TDs. This came at the expense of Washington's #1 WR Julio Jones (479 yards in 15 starts), but hey, Lymon did it!

Jenkins has been pretty consistent for his career. He's good for around 60-90 tackles, half a dozen sacks, and around 2 FFs+FRs a season. Maybe he hasn't lived up to his billing as a Top 10 pick, but he's been a solid contributor year in and year out.

The Bills didn't grab the top-rated MLB when they selected Kuechly, and no matter which LB spot that he's played, underwhelming seems to be the key word. He wasn't much of a tackler or playmaker during his time in Buffalo, which came to an end after S13. Nobody signed him last season.

Trufant has been an odd source for sacks, and he's been relatively good at getting a few INTs each season, but he seemed to be hit the hardest when the Bills made a significant change to a sneaky good pass D that blew up in their face. He's coming off his worst statistical season in the league, so you hope this isn't a sign of the beginning of the end for him.

Derek Carr has been such a weird QB. He's had a high YPA and thrown for many TDs, but his turnover rate was unacceptable and has a bad career completion % for the type of QB that he is. S13 was basically wiped out due to injury, and after being signed to a 1 year deal last season, he had a sub-70 passer rating on barely 50% passing and is now a free agent.

After a 7-sack debut, Chandler Jones has just 7 sacks total in the past three seasons and two total FFs+FRs in his four seasons. He appears to be merely above-average in run defense, but since his contract still runs for three more seasons and he's just 25, maybe there's still hope for him.

Trading up to select him, Todd Gurley's rookie season was lost due to injury. Since then, he's had back-to-back 1500 yard seasons on 4.5 YPC. He's a rising star in the league and the focal point of this offense.

Bolles followed in Gurley's footsteps by losing his entire rookie season to injury. Then, he missed 10 games last season. If those six games he's played are of any idication, he could become the best OL on the team as he posted 28 blocks against just one sack allowed. Who knows where he will play and how much playing time he will get, but he has shown he has the talent to be a high-end starter somewhere.

Armstead was not expected to be a 1st rounder, and well he didn't play like a 1st rounder his rookie season. He had 27 tackles and a sack.
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Carolina Panthers

CB Will Blackmon (S2, 3rd)
WR Derek Hagan (S2, 9th)
HB Bobby Washington (S4, 20th)
WR Derrick Williams (S5, 18th)
DT Callahan Bright (S6, 11th)
QB Matt Ryan (S7, 11th)
FS Eric Berry (S7, 26th)
WR Marvin Jones (S11, 11th)
OLB Hau'oli Kikaha (S11, 13th)
OT Jack Conklin (S12, 25th)
QB Carson Wentz (S13, 3rd)

Blackmon was a nice coverage corner for the Panthers, but like many other unfortunate souls, he found his way to the Titans where many careers go to die (but at least get paid in the process). I know that he worked his way to the Jags where his career may have ended. He could have went to a fourth team, I don't remember. He definitely wasn't close to being the third-best player from his draft, and I don't think that the Panthers made the playoffs until after he was gone, but at least he contributed in what I believe was a positive way.

I was in charge of like four teams this season, one being the Seahawks. I remember making a bunch of small tradedowns to 4th-6th round picks and several trade ups in other rounds. I believe the 9th pick was one of at least three in that chain (I know that I traded with Titans and Washington as well). The Titans used that on WR Derek Hagan who was an excellent returner for them but got it going for them as a WR. He was a cap casualty last season, and the Bengals signed him mid-season where he produced 702 yards in 10 games, shattering the highest yards per game in his career (70 vs 49 previously).

It is a surprise that Washington lasted 8 seasons in Carolina. He was never the full-time starter, so I figured his morale would drop to levels where he would demand a trade. He struggled with efficiency at times in Carolina, but he had some seasons backing up DeShaun Foster and Reggie Bush that showed glimpses of his billing as a 1st rounder. He made his way to Oakland where he was an excellent backup to R.J. Jackson with over 750 rushing yards on 4.3 YPC. He wasn't signed last season and decided to hang it up this offseason. He finished with 3320 rushing yards, 785 rec yards, and 24 total TDs on over 4.0 rushing YPC.

Aside from one dud season, Derrick Williams, formerly a real life #1 high school prospect, was one of the best slot receivers in the league. He averaged nearly 400 yards a season on over 13.0 YPC and 3 TDs. Typically, when you draft someone in the 1st, you expect them to eventually have a larger role, so maybe he didn't live up to his billing, but he was great at his role. He wasn't signed to a team the past three seasons, but he's still a free agent.

Bright is a darkhorse Hall of Fame candidate. He has averaged over 50 tackles, 7 sacks, and 2 FFs+FRs a season since he's entered the league. Despite being in his mid-30s after entering the league as a 25 year old, he has remained a consistent performer, so with a few more seasons and hopefully more recognition after going to just one Pro Bowl, maybe he can get the counting stats to get him into consideration.

Matt Ryan had such a promising start to his career. After starting off his career with two seasons of 83+ passer rating, 3300+ yards and 20+ TDs on 60+ completion %, he appeared to be on his way to being a Top 10 QB in the league, not to mention a career Panther/starter. However, his completion% sharply dropped and INT% ballooned after that. After seeing his passer rating drop every season since his rookie season, he was benched in his final season in Carolina. He didn't play in S13, and in S14, he was the second late-season injury signing by the Orcas but averaged just 110 passing yards in his three starts there and is back to being a free agent.

To make up for the sad trajectory of Matt Ryan, the Panthers later drafted Eric Berry in the same draft. He's proved to be one of their best defensive players since he's arrived. FSs are always weird to evaluate, but since the Panthers have typically been above average in pass defense, I'd say he's done well in that department. FSs statistically don't pop out on the stat sheet, but Berry has provided a healthy dose of tackles, sacks, and INTs, so the Panthers have to be extremely happy with how he's turned out.

I forget if this or the next pick was from when they traded with the Patriots the season during the draft, but regardless, that has been a trade that neither team has really benefitted from thus far (we'll get to the Pats eventually, but the player they selected hasn't been with the team for a few seasons now). If it was Jones, he has 96 rec for 1220 yards and 7 TDs across four seasons with his rookie season being the best at 28 rec for 475 yards and 3 TDs. He may be the top-rated WR on the team, but one could argue that he's their worst of the three.

If the pick from the Pats trade was Kikaha, that is probably worse. He's been a mediocre starter, spot starter, and backup. The FO saw enough to re-sign him though, so good for him?

Conklin might have been considered a Top 10 prospect? Either way, I know that he fell hard because users really underestimate the importance of building a great and deep OL, and just OL in general, but their loss was the Panther's gain as he's been fantastic for them. It does raise an eyebrow that his block totals have fallen every year in the league, but maybe it is just simply a regression to the mean after surprisingly leading the league in that department as a rookie.

Carson Wentz was the first QB taken in the S13 draft, and after two seasons, the Panthers would probably like any of the others. He had an absymal start to his career, but as the FO likes to point out, he was much improved down the final stretch. He still finished with a Bottom 5 passer rating, and well, his sophomore season was even worse. The passer rating dropped by 3.2 points, he threw for three fewer TDs (three fewer INTs as well), and his completion % dropped by 3.6 points. Time will tell if there will be a third season starting.
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I can confirm that the Kikaha trade was with me. I traded down so Emerald could move up to take Kikaha. I remember because if I didn't trade down, I was going to draft him.

I forget which player was the one I drafted first, I know Bright was very early on but I don't remember if he was my first or not.
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KCF0107 posted...

I forgot the most important part

Rounds 1 and 2 will take place on Friday, May 21st
Rounds 3 and 4 will take place on Saturday, May 22nd
Rounds 5-7 will take place on Sunday, May 23rd

Day 1 will begin between 7-9 ET, likely in the 8-9 range.
Days 2 and 3 begin early or mid-afternoon ET, likely in the 1-3 range
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Damn, memory lane.

I drafted Hagan to improve my WR corps, saw his overall, and immediately acquired Deion Branch (probably via free agency). Glad to see he's had a solid-good career.

Here is the list of rookie offers from Season 3 where I had no first round pick:

DE Adam Carriker - 3 / $6.66 mil / $870k
DT Justin Harrell - 3 / $8.25 mil / $1.77 mil
DE Xzavie Jackson - 3 / $4.44 mil / $600k
HB Lorenzo Booker - 1 / $1.00 mil / $150k
C Mark Bihl - 1 / $750k / $110k
DE Larry Birdine - 1 / $1.00 mil / $140k
DE Tim Crowder - 1 / $840k / $110k
SS Patrick Ghee - 1 / $810k / $110k

And that was my last season. I did not draft Bobby Washington.

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Back when players asked for sensible salaries!

Yeah. Blackmon's rookie cap hit was $3.64M and Hagan was $2.36M. Can't beat two top 10 picks for $6M

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Gonna steal this idea if I ever do a new franchise in madden. loving this kcf grat read

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If anyone is willing to move out of the 1st round into the second. I am willing to give up the Pats 2nd (Pick 45) and a future 2nd plus potentially change depending on the draft slot.

Chicago Bears

MLB Abdul Hodge (S2, 1st)
CB Justin Wyatt (S2, 17th)
DE Mario Williams (S3, 11th)
DE Lawrence Jackson (S4, 3rd)
FS Kent Hicks (S5, 19th)
OT Thomas Herring (S6, 4th)
CB Adam Gray (S7, 13th)
QB Andrew Luck (S8, 15th)
CB Morris Claiborne (S9, 18th)
CB Janoris Jenkins (S10, 2nd)
DE Melvin Ingram (S11, 17th)
WR Willie Snead (S12, 26th)

Hodge, our first ever draft pick, was immediately screwed over for a starting job when former MLB Dan Morgan was re-signed by the team in free agency. Hodge never started for the Bears and was cut before his contract was up. He was converted to DE as a free agent and signed with Washington...to become the backup to Trevor Pryce and Chike Okeafor. He eventually won a starting job in his 30s, and along with a few seasons in Carolina, he ended up with quite a bit more tackles and sacks than you would expect from someone who truly began their career so late. He won a ring in Washington, so while there's a lot of what ifs about his career, you can't feel too sorry for him.

Justin Wyatt was the first pick acquired from when the Bears traded WR Terrell Owens to the Browns. He had a pretty nondescript career, even by CB standards. He languished on the free agent market after his rookie contract was up, but I think he was eventually signed by the Bengals and finished his career there.

Williams has started all 192 games across his 12 year career with the Bears. He has been a complete non-factor in the run game with around 200 tackles, and he has just 10 career FFs+FRs, but he sure knows how to sack the QB. He needs 7 more to join the 100 sack club, which currently features four players.

Jackson was the first draft made by someone other than me. He too had a very long iron man streak (127 games to begin career) until the front office decided it should end in Week 16 of the S11 season. He's had far more impact in run defense and playmaking ability than Williams, but being a backup the past two seasons (in Chicago and New York with the Jets) has all but ended the chance of him finishing with 100 career sacks (he has 86 entering his age 36 and presumably final season).

Hicks was probably below average for a FS. He had a two season stretch with 7 INTs and 3 FFs+FRs, but his playmaking other from that period was virtually non-exisitent. He spent S12 and S14 as a free agent and S13 was a mid-season injury signing with the Jets when Tyrann Mathieu went down. He provided 5 tackles in five starts.

A new person became in charge of the Bears in S6, but they too were like the previous regime in that they didn't participate in the draft process at all. My first pick for them was Herring, and his career began with a rocky start with injuries and poor play. S10 was when he finally turned a corner and has morphed into a pretty great OT whose career block:sack ratio is approach 10 after it was barely above 5 after the first several seasons.

Why did I keep drafting CBs for the Bears hoping it would work out? Gray didn't even finish out his rookie contract and has bounced around with the Chiefs and Bucs since.

David Carr's career was winding down and several logical landing spots for Luck in the draft unexpectedly passed on him. I was really excited about this pick, but it ultimately didn't amount to anything. He didn't finish out his rookie contract as he was traded to the Wildcats and has played for the Bills and Seahawks since. He has certainly been far from bad, but he's been merely serviceable. However, he did have an excellent six game stretch with the Seahawks last season, so maybe he can have a late-career renaissance.

Nothing to see here. Just another forgettable CB in Claiborne, who is currently in Washington.

Okay, so I remember being pretty unsure of what I should do with the #2 overall pick with S10, but this Jenkins pick actually more or less worked out. He may not have finished his rookie contract with the Bears after being traded to the Browns, and the Bears are still looking to make the playoffs, but he didn't fizzle like the others.

Now a third user regime was in place, and thus ended my reign as the draft person for the Bears. The new FO settled on Ingram who ended Jackson's streak, was traded the following offseason, and he has since flourished in Pittsburgh en route to earning a nearly $50 mil contract with them this offseason.

The Bears used to have an underrated passing game while they had Carr, Javon Walker, and Jerry Porter. Well that was a long time ago, so the revolving door of QBs and WRs resulted in a very disappointing first two seasons where he had less than 350 yards and under 10.0 YPC in each. He showed signs of life last season with 68 rec for 828 yards and 7 TDs with Tom Savage throwing him the ball.
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Cincinnati Bengals

QB Brad Smith (S2, 16th)
OT Tavo Tupola (S3, 29th)
HB Erik Haw (S4, 11th)
OT Lyndon Murtha (S5, 14th)
OLB Spencer Adkins (S6, 28th)
SS Patrick Chung (S7, 2nd)
DE Jason Pierre-Paul (S8, 8th)
MLB Kiko Alonso (S9, 1st)
DT Michael Brockers (S10, 27th)
DT Mike Daniels (S11, 3rd)
QB Jake Locker (S12, 16th)
OLB Matthew Judon (S13, 11th)
HB Derrick Henry (S14, 1st)

Smith was a pretty decent scrambling QB who started many seasons in Cincinnati after Brian Griese retired and the rest of his career as either a backup or mid-season injury replacement with the Seahawks, Colts, and Steelers. Those later years had some especially brutal seasons that ultimately caused him to finish with more INTs than passing TDs. Still he had over 20k passing yards and 5k rushing yards, and he capped off his career on a personal high note, even if it was for a bad Seahawks team (they had a ton of QB injuries last season).

Tupola is still kicking around in free agency, but he hasn't been with a team after spending the first 9 seasons of his career with the Bengals. He was blocked by Khalif Barnes and eventually Lyndon Murtha for a starting job on the outside, but he subbed all across the line and played 103 games with 61 starts. He was very inconsistent with his block:sack ratios, but he had a great season or two.

Speaking of inconsistent, Haw was a pretty maddening player. Injuries cost him a ton of games, but he had three seasons of 1400+ rushing yards on 4.3 YPC and was a great asset in the passing game. He was a backup last season, but while playing sparingly, he busted out a 91 yard TD run, so he didn't leave the Bengals with a whimper. He's a free agent now.

Murtha has settled down quite nicely the past four seasons, but knowing that his career block:sack ratio is currently under 7 should tell you how much he struggled before then.

At one point, I thought Adkins was a Top 5 OLB in the league even if his rating didn't suggest it because the dude simply made plays left and right. I don't know who supplanted him, but he eventually was relegated to the bench, and ultimately ended his career as a backup with the Broncos.

One of the more shocking picks in our league, Chung was selected while the Bengals had a 22-year-old rising star at the position. Chung never permanently earned the starting job in Cincy and was traded during the draft to Washington for the pick that ultimately became C Travis Frederick. He has been everything Washington could have hoped for after acquiring him after Adam Archuleta's retirement.

Pierre-Paul was taken in the draft when all 1st round DEs had the same rating. Paul gave the Bengals 4 tackles and a sack in four seasons before being let go, and he's been a free agent since.

Alonso hasn't been dominant, and at times has been a complete non-factor, but he had a resurgent season for a resurgent Bengals defense last season in a contract year, so the former #1 overall pick is looking to build upon it after being re-signed.

Brockers had a nice start to his career with 39 tackles, 7 sacks, and 3 FFs+FRs as a rookie, and while he has improved in run defense, his overall playmaking has diminished to where you have to wonder if that was his peak.

Daniels had an eerily similar rookie season to Brockers but added an extra FF. Daniels completely fell off a cliff after that before roaring back with 12 sacks last season en route to being either a comeback or breakout finalist, I forget which. He doesn't seem to help out in run defense though.

Locker has been more of the more prolific passers since he's entered the league, but even with all the yardage, his passing TDs have gone down each season from 20 to 16 to 14. His INTs have also gone down each season, but the INT rate is still too high. His passer rating and completion % has gone up every season too, so it's really hard to make sense of his future with the team.

Through two seasons, Judon has provided 214 tackles, 10 sacks, 3 INTs, 2 FFs, and 2 FRs. I'd say that he's on his way to becoming the best OLB that the Bengals have had.

Henry did not have a great start to his career. I can't recall perfectly, but I think his YPC was fine, but he was somehow not getting many carries, so there were a bunch of 60-80 yard games. He ultimately finished with 1100+ yards on 4.0 YPC and 6 TDs. Not a bad start to his career, but being the #1 overall pick, the pressure is on him to be more like other Top 5 picks at the position like Doug Martin and Matt Forte.
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Columbus Pioneers

CB Reuben Houston (S2, 25th)
OT Doug Free (S3, 14th)
QB John David Booty (S4, 5th)
OT Matt Hardrick (S5, 22nd)
QB Mark Sanchez (S6, 2nd)
FS Earl Thomas (S7, 1st)
QB Russell Wilson (S8, 6th)
DT Geno Atkins (S9, 6th)
HB Le'Veon Bell (S10, 28th)
CB A.J. Bouye (S11, 4th)
MLB Kyle Emanuel(S12, 24th)
OLB Kyler Fackrell(S12, 27th)
WR Stefon Diggs (S13, 7th)
WR Eric Decker (S13, 13th)

A tale of two halves for this franchise. Now Houston was a solid corner for them, but he was another that didn't get a second contract, languished on the open market, and closed out his career with the Giants I believe.

Doug Free didn't work out as an OT, but he turned his career around when officially kicked inside. He wasn't much of a blocker, but he didn't give up many sacks. He got a taste of the Super Bowl in S13, and I feel bad that he was traded to the Patriots as the Pioneers won it all in S14 since he had been with the team longer than anyone except for K Nate Kaeding. He has proved to be an excellent fit for the Pats with 42 blocks and 5 sacks allowed in his first season there.

Booty is actually still with the team, but after his first season saw him throw for 2800 yards and 20 TDs, he hasn't start another game for the Pioneers. Accuracy issues have been the issue with him as he has completed just 53.6% of his passes throughout his career.

Hardrick is the most forgettable 1st round pick by the franchise, but he has a career line of 141 blocks against 14 sacks allowed with the Pioneers and Patriots. Unfortunately for him, at this stage of his career, he will probably be relegated to merely in-season injury signing.

Mark Sanchez had a decent first season throwing for 2400 yards with 15 TDs on 58% passing, but everything went down his second season, which included 51% completion and single digit TDs. He was no longer the full-time starter after that, but he was actually great when called upon to spot start until he felt like he deserved to be a starter somewhere. Well, he never started for the Rams, but he was pretty good in relief. He's been a free agent for a few years now.

Thomas sticks out being a former #1 overall pick because of his position, but he's played extremely well being good for multiple sacks, INTs, and FFs+FRs each season. He also has a few seasons of 70+ tackles. He's a fringe Hall of Fame candidate as he enters his age-30 season, which makes him one of the best #1 overall picks that we've had.

After misfiring on Top 5 QB selections before, all the Pioneers had to do was pick one just outside of that area. He had a rough rookie season with a 63.5 passer rating, but he's had four seasons of 81+ since with the rest being in the mid-70s. He has passed for 2400+ yards in every season, and other than his rookie season, he's had at least 16 passing TDs per season (averaging at least one per game each season is kind of neat right?). He's also been pretty great on the ground with over 3k yards in his seven seasons with at least 350 in each one. He's a borderline Top 5 QB in the league and recently became a SB champion. Life is good for him and the Pioneers who kept trying until they succeeded at the position.

Starting with the Wilson pick, nearly every one of the franchises' 1st round picks has been a hit for them. Atkins was next up. He has been excellent in run defense and has shown above average pass rushing ability with 41 sacks in his six seasons. The only knock on him is that he hasn't been steady in providing FFs+FRs, but he's had a great career in Columbus.

The lone pick from Wilson on that ultimately didn't work out for the franchise was Bell. He was a seemingly BPA pick for a team that was seeing Willis McGahee's career winding down. While a backup, he was a great receiver out of the backfield but hadn't shown much to be enthusiastic about on the ground. When McGahee retired and Bell got his shot in his third season, he suffered an unfortunate injury that prematurely ended his season after seven games. When the franchise came under new management, he was traded to the Steelers where he ended up performing very good for him. Unfortunately, he was every bit of a diva as his real life counterpart and wouldn't re-sign with the Steelers. He was an injury replacement for the Giants last season and provided decent production for them. He is currently a free agent.

Bouye is kind of a beast? He has 8 sacks in four seasons, which is tied for the most career sacks among active CBs, and that is even with missing most of S13. He also has 8 INTs, so does some flashy stuff through the air too. He's one of the most intriguing CBs in the league because of his pass-rushing ability, but his prowess in the passing game possibly makes him the most well-rounded CB in the league.

Emanuel has averaged more than 80 tackles, 6 sacks, 2 INTs, and 2 FFs+FRs across his first three seasons as the #2 and #1 MLB in a 3-4 D. While the reigning Defensive Player of the Year, Vontaze Burfict, was taken just five picks later, that doesn't diminish what Emanuel has accomplished, including two SB appearances and a ring within his first three seasons.

Fackrell, taken three picks later, as about the same season averages as Emanuel. His tackles have actually decreased each season why the playmaking has gone up, including 10 sacks and 3 FFs last season. With the great financial situation the franchise is in. He can form a long-term tandem with Emanuel to become the potential face of this surging defense.

Diggs had a decent rookie season, but he had a huge sophomore breakout after Mark Clayton retired, promoting him to the top spot in the WR room. He had 82 rec for 1117 yards and 10 TDs as the game named him the AFC's WR of the Year.

One of the league's best slot receivers as a rookie, his transition to a starting role may not jump out with 57 rec for 642 yards and 4 TDs, but he's likely to form a long relationship with Stefon Diggs and Russell Wilson.
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Another trade

Bills receive:
Steelers 4th round pick (115th overall)
Steelers S16 1st round pick

Steelers receive:
Bills 1st round pick (18th overall)
Bills S16 7th round pick

Bills want to recoup some of the draft picks they gave up in the trade with the Chiefs.

Steelers are targeting a certain few players and feel that none will be available when they first draft.

Both teams demonstrated that they understood what each team was team was giving up and what they hoped to achieve from the trade. This trade is now official
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Honestly, if anyone is looking for a extra mid-round picks, I cant really afford to keep them all and would be willing to trade them for future assets

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Looks at mocks, and then looks at what I sent KCF

Uh-oh.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

Looks at mocks, and then looks at what I sent KCF

Uh-oh.

Keep in mind the people doing the mocks don't exactly have a great track record W/L wise so it's not like we know what we are doing!

I think I was way more worried about my cap and the holes on my team than I probably should have been. But if it doesn't work out it'll be a lesson for next time!

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No "uh-oh"s. The best part of the mocks is going rogue. You draft like an absolute madman, so the next season, they don't know if you're coming or going.

All this talk about the Bucs taking a QB, when they have another massive hole on their roster. How glorious would it be if they drafted Younghoe Koo

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Says the person who refused to draft Connor Hughes #3 overall
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Put absolutely 0 stock into our mocks. Especially mine, I've never won the competition.
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KCF0107 posted...

Says the person who refused to draft Connor Hughes #3 overall

BIGGEST REGRET OF MY LIFE!

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Trade

Bengals receive:
Patriots 2nd round pick (45th overall)
Steelers 3rd round pick (83rd overall)

Steelers receive:
Panthers 2nd round pick (35th overall)
Bengals 5th round pick (140th overall)

Bengals like getting an extra Day 2 pick for moving back 10 spots

Steelers don't feel like a player they want will be available at 45 and were willing to give up a Day 2 pick to give them a better chance.

Teams understood trade parameters and what each team hoped to achieve. Trade is official.
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Dallas Cowboys

OT Eric Winston (S2, 24th)
QB Vince Young (S3, 2nd)
HB Darius Walker (S4, 2nd)
DT Ryan Walker (S5, 8th)
DT Jerrell Powe (S6, 10th)
CB Vontae Davis (S7, 7th)
MLB Danny Travathan (S8, 32nd)
QB Johnny Manziel (S10, 9th)
G Gabe Jackson (S10, 31st)
WR Sammy Watkins (S11, 32nd)
CB Bradley Roby (S12, 31st)
OLB Haason Reddick (S13, 16th)
OLB Nick Vigil (S14, 29th)

Winston started out slow but then had a torrid stretch as a swing OL where he posted 82 blocks against 2 sacks allowed (S3-S5). He wanted to be a guaranteed starter, so he moved to Pittsburgh where he was fine but got back on track with the Pioneers before a lackluster showing in his final season there (42 blocks against 7 sacks allowed). He was an injury replacement for Travelle Wharton when he went down for the Jets but only provided them with 33 blocks against 6 sacks in 11 starts. Still, he has a career block:sack ratio of nearly 10, so he's done relatively well as a well-traveled tackle.

Young had a terrible start to his passing career with three straight sub-70 passer ratings (including 57.7 as a rookie) and an injury riddled fourth, In S7 though, which began the stretch of dominance that the Cowboys are still exhibiting to this day, he turned into a gifted passer with the first of seven 80+ passer rating seasons in an eight season span. He's always been an excellent scrambler as evidenced by his 10k+ career rushing yards and 65 rushing TDs, but finally rounding out his game helped him win multiple MVPs as the Cowboys have gone to seven of the past eight Super Bowls and still made it to the NFC Championship game the year that they didn't. He will be finishing his career elsewhere as the Cowboys let him walk in free agency.

Walker was never the flashiest HB, but he racked up TDs like nobody else by averaging roughly 10 a season after an 11 year career ended with 109. He was enshrined in the Hall of Fame after being drafted to succeed another Hall of Famer in Tatum Bell.

After taking offensive players with the first two of a five-pick stretch of Top 10 picks, it is all defense from there. Walker, one part of the league's best DT tandem, has 82 career sacks as he enters his age 31 season, but he also lost virtually an entire season due to injury, so he basically averages 9 sacks a season, which not many players can say the same.

On the other side of Walker is Powe, the better of the two DTs. He has 76 sacks in 9 seasons and has added 21 FFs+FRs while offering more in run defense. They make 8 figures a season, but they're worth it.

The final natural Top 10 pick of the team before dominating the league was Davis has been a lockdown CB with three Pro Bowls to his name.

Sitting behind Monty Beisel at first, Travathan put up modest numbers the first few seasons he was the starter before wrecking havoc. He hasn't accrued many tackles or sacks, but he's been great at grabbing INTs and FFs+FRs whenever anything went past their suffocating DL.

Just because they could, Jerry Jones made up for his real life regret and grabbed Manziel here. Manziel had absolutely no chance of being the starter for this team with Young still having many years left to give, but he was a great backup for them when Young got injured. He went to the Jets last season and was possibly the worst QB in the league. The Jets rewarded him with a five year deal in the offseason.

A spot starter his first two seasons, Jackson started the final two of his Cowboys career as he improved his block:sack ratio every season. He received a four year contract worth 8 figures annually in free agency and gave the Bears six games with 12 blocks against 6 sacks.

Being in a scrambling QB offense, one WR usually gets the bulk of the focus, and that included players like Drew Bennett and Koren Robinson. In comes Watkins who has increased his receptions and yards total each season as a pro and has averaged 1 TD per 7 receptions while being the best target that Young has ever had. Now he has Cam Newton throwing to him, so we'll see how that goes.

Roby has 10 INTs and a Pro Bowl in his three seasons, and the Cowboys D has remained elite. I'd say he's done well.

The Cowboys traded up to select Reddick who has yet to jump out on the stat sheet, not that an 81 tackle, 2 INT, 3 FR sophomore season is anything to sneeze at. He is still looking for his first career sack.

Vigil appears to be Dannell Ellerbe's successor. He posted 8 tackles and an INT as a backup last season, so he did something his rookie season at least.
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I think that I am done doing these until maybe after the draft. I should have timed this better, or talked less.
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KCF0107 posted...

I think that I am done doing these until maybe after the draft. I should have timed this better, or talked less.

You already covered the Bills, so you're good in my book.

KCF0107 posted...

I think that I am done doing these until maybe after the draft. I should have timed this better, or talked less.

You give people like 1-2 weeks to sign rookies so will give us something to read whilst we wait for the next phase

Edit: Which I know we get in draft classes you like bit too

Day 1 of the draft will begin soon. I will not be in Discord or B8 during this time except to post something after R1 has concluded.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bVNRfcFUThpYuooxeqKuVIcPO-3BAUZ-KL5kGWHn4X0/edit?usp=sharing

As I have done for the past few seasons, here is how the first round would have gone had I made every selection. We had quite a few actual trades since I made this, so everything seems to be way off, but if anybody is curious to my insights, here you go!
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Round 1 Recap:
1. Buccaneers - Kansas St. QB Trevor Largent
2. Buccaneers - N.C. St. OLB Bradley Chubb
3. Panthers - West Alabama WR Tyreek Hill
4. Giants - UCLA MLB Eric Kendricks
5. Jaguars - UCLA OT Kolton Miller
6. Seahawks - UTEP G Will Hernandez
7. Raiders - Jackson St. QB DeShaun Gaines
8. Jets - Oklahoma HB Joe Mixon
9. Lions - Notre Dame WR Will Fuller
10. Orcas - Mississippi St. DT Chris Jones
11. Orcas - South Carolina St. OLB Darius Leonard
12. Bengals - LSU CB Tre'Davious White
13. Patriots - Oklahoma St. QB Mason Rudolph
14. Titans - Michigan St. QB Ray Flewelling
15. Raiders - LSU DE Danielle Hunter
16. Wildcats - Florida St. HB Dalvin Cook
17. 49ers - Illinois DE Jihad Ward
18. Buccaneers - Ohio St. CB Marshon Lattimore
19. Bears - Miami WR Phillip Dorsett
20. Eagles - LSU HB Leonard Fournette
21. Rams - Temple OT Dion Dawkins
22. Vikings - Ohio St. OLB Jerome Baker
23. Broncos - Kansas MLB Ben Heeney
24. Falcons - Michigan DE Frank Clark
25. Falcons - UCLA OT Brian O'Neill
26. Express - Clemson DE Vic Beasley
27. Washington - Texas G Connor Williams
28. Seahawks - UTEP HB Aaron Jones
29. Ravens - Georgia Tech DT Adam Gotsis
30. Rams - South Carolina HB Mike Davis
31. Cowboys - Western Michigan OT Taylor Moton
32. Dolphins - Fresno St. DT Tyeler Davison
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Round 2 Recap:
1. Seahawks - Penn St. TE Mike Gesicki
2. Dolphins - Alabama CB Marlon Humphrey
3. Steelers - Kansas St. G Donald Stabler
4. Giants - Georgia WR Chris Conley
5. Jaguars - Louisville MLB Preston Brown
6. Buccaneers - USC CB Adoree' Jackson
7. Chiefs - Alabama OT Cam Robinson
8. Jets - Appalachian St. G Colby Gossett
9. Orcas - Utah OT Sam Tevi
10. Orcas - Florida CB Brian Poole
11. Orcas - Penn St. DE Anthony Zettel
12. Bengals - Southern Miss DT Rakeem Nunez-Roches
13. Bengals - UCF WR Breshad Perriman
14. Titans - West Virginia HB Wendall Smallwood
15. Raiders - Tulane OT Stanley Schneidmiller
16. Steelers - Arkansas FS Eddie Jackson
17. 49ers - Mississippi CB Mike Hilton
18. Wisconsin OLB Leon Jacobs
19. Giants - Penn St. CB Trevor Williams
20. Eagles - Arkansas DT Darius Philon
21. Browns - Tulane OT Adrian Parker
22. Vikings - Utah FS Marcus Williams
23. Broncos - Texas Tech OT Le'Raven Clark
24. Falcons - Southern Illinois OLB Chase Allen
25. Packers - Nebraska FB Andy Janovich
26. Express - Ole Miss OT Derrick Taylor
27. Washington - Colorado CB Ken Crawley
28. Dolphins - USC HB Javorius Allen
29. Ravens - Michigan WR Devin Funchess
30. Rams - Mississippi St. G Jessie Hunt
31. Cowboys - Georgia Tech TE Darren Waller
32. Orcas - North Carolina C Orlando Winters
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NFL Draft Order

1. Buccaneers
2. Seahawks
3. Panthers
4. Giants
5. Jaguars
6. Bears
7. Chiefs
8. Jets
9. Lions
10. Orcas
11. Colts
12. Bengals
13. Patriots
14. Titans
15. Raiders
16. Wildcats
17. 49ers
18. Bills
19. Steelers
20. Eagles
21. Browns
22. Vikings
23. Broncos
24. Falcons
25. Packers
26. Express
27. Washington
28. Dolphins
29. Ravens
30. Rams
31. Cowboys
32. Pioneers

Bears own Panthers 3rd
Bengals own Steelers 3rd
Bills own Cowboys 3rd, Steelers 4th, Pioneers 5th, Patriots 6th, Raiders 7th
Chiefs own Bears 4th, Steelers 5th, Giants 6th, Pats 7th
Colts own Orcas 3rd
Dolphins own Seahawks 3rd + 5th, Bears 3rd
Giants own Colts 3rd
Lions own Pioneers 3rd, Orcas 5th + 6th
Orcas own Lions 4th
Packers own Falcons 7th
Panthers own Bills 7th
Patriots own Panthers 7th
Pioneers own Panthers 4th, Giants 7th
Seahawks own Dolphins 7th
Steelers own Chiefs 3rd, Bills 3rd, Buccaneers 4th, Seahawks 4th, Bengals 5th
Wildcats own Buccaneers 3rd, Orcas 4th, Steelers 6th
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Rounds 3 and 4 will begin on Saturday, May 22nd between 1-3 PM ET
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KCF0107 posted...
or talked less.

That would be unacceptable! So take your time. Though if you want to skimp on some of the Chiefs picks, that would be fine. I've been trying to mentally block the fact we drafted Dez Bryant

Emeraldegg posted...

Put absolutely 0 stock into our mocks. Especially mine, I've never won the competition.

If I'm reading the sheet right you won! Here is your B8NFLL Season 15 Mock Draft Trophy



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My R3 pick is available for anyone who wants an extra selection this afternoon.

Looking for a future pick

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Ranlom posted...

That would be unacceptable! So take your time. Though if you want to skimp on some of the Chiefs picks, that would be fine. I've been trying to mentally block the fact we drafted Dez Bryant

If I'm reading the sheet right you won! Here is your B8NFLL Season 15 Mock Draft Trophy

I did! WIth the worst winning score in our history, but thank you still!
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Actually I think you tied it. Should have given yourself .5 points for your Express pick.

Ah you're right!
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My plan is to shoot for a 2 PM ET start time
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