Board 8 > MCU General: Up Next The Falcon and The Winter Soldier

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At the start of the first episode, that mission is 100% being funded by the Air Force. Whether he has reenlisted or is acting as a contract employee isn't established, but it's the USAF. The thing is, before that one mission he has 5 years of no work history, no income, no employment, and even being declared deceased. You would that after such a massive catastrophic even people coming back would be given some leeway but banks and businesses wouldn't care all that much. It would literally be the biggest government program in the history of the world just to get those people treated as if they hadn't been gone for all that time. As bad as things were after the snap, the world moved on even if the people didn't.

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Hmmmm, I guess that due to the blip I can buy that finances would be tough. I feel like Sam's skills would still come with a high price nontheless though and I'm sure the USAF hasn't, like, fallen on hard times. I'm sure Sam would probably do the mission without worrying how much he's paid anyway because he seems like that kind of guy but it just doesn't seem like it should be hard for him to find qualifying-for-a-loan employment even in a post-blip world. I mean, I'm intrigued by the idea that he might, but I'm struggling to imagine it.

I agree with the idea that he's probably getting paid well enough for what he does, but you have to consider the fact that every bank asks "how long have you been with your current employer" and at this point the answer can't be very long. Also, I may be getting the terms wrong, but I think the banker said he wasn't qualified for past benefits from service.

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Yeah I mean I guess that tracks, especially with the idea that it's probably really hard to get a loan in a post-blip world. I think my problem is less that I find it unbelievable that Sam would have a hard time getting a loan - I don't find that hard to believe, and I think the conflict of a superhero, someone who's help save humanity, not being able to get the help from society he needs in a tough spot is really interesting and I hope we explore that theme some more. And I think the conflict of him wanting to keep his family's legacy while his sister has accepted moving on is great, too, especially with him not having lived through the blip. I think the part that I have a harder time wrapping my head around is buying into the premise that this isn't going to be an easy problem for Sam to fix - it seems like a temporary setback but someone with his skills and connections shouldn't have a hard time patching in the gaps that would have been filled by selling an old boat.

Remember that his sister absolutely does not want charity from him. Getting a loan together was a compromise to get her on board with receiving help. She wouldnt accept him straight throwing money at her.

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You guys are being ridiculously nitpicky about all this finance stuff...

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Waluigi1 posted...

You guys are being ridiculously nitpicky about all this finance stuff...

Is this your first time on b8

We thrive on making 500 post topics based solely on nitpicks! It's how we get to exert our dominance over one another.

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

Since he feeds, houses and clothes the Avengers I don't think Tony gives them too much of a salary.

Well Falcon confirmed in this episode Tony didn't pay them at all. Good riddance to bad bosses tbqh, I hope The Avengers unionize.

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Waluigi1 posted...

You guys are being ridiculously nitpicky about all this finance stuff...

Honestly I think it's telling that the idea of a superhero who helped saved the entire universe being turned down for a bank loan is less realistic than, say, the idea that the entire universe was threatened by a purple alien in the first place. The suspension of disbelief can be broken by the simplest things.

For god's sakes, after what they've done every single person on the planet would be giving the Avengers free money and oral sex for the rest of their lives. They would never have to ask for anything ever again.

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Being a villain is all of a sudden looking that much better if this is the shit the heroes need to deal with.

I bet Agatha could afford a loan.

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I actually thought the episode was pretty boring. I'll give it another chance and all but without the Marvel branding I may not have. Not a lot there. Seems like a poor man's version of the Lethal Weapon show from Fox a few years back

Not surprising people are squabbling about finances cause there isn't really much else to talk about lol.

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Grand Kirby posted...

Honestly I think it's telling that the idea of a superhero who helped saved the entire universe being turned down for a bank loan is less realistic than, say, the idea that the entire universe was threatened by a purple alien in the first place. The suspension of disbelief can be broken by the simplest things.

For god's sakes, after what they've done every single person on the planet would be giving the Avengers free money and oral sex for the rest of their lives. They would never have to ask for anything ever again.

Do we live in the same world? It's completely believable that banks are still gonna be shitty even with super heroes around.

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I just got a Google notification telling me that apparently the exact same argument being had in here about Stark being cheap and the Avengers not having money is trending online.

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https://twitter.com/RachaelAtWork/status/1373445363294691332?s=19

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UltimaterializerX posted...

The Sam being poor plot is laughably unrealistic and is being shoehorned into the show by Malcolm Spellman (who is worth 6 million dollars) to bring awareness to systemic racism. Look up the interview yourself. I can appreciate the effort and it's an important message, but Sam is a terrible character for that plot line. Mordo from Dr. Strange is a much better choice for it, not a dude flying around the world at will in Stark tech. "Yeah I can't afford to help my family, by the way you want to touch my wings?"

It's about as tone deaf as Oprah Winfrey (self made billionaire) interviewing Meghan Markle (self made billionaire) in Gail King's Manhattan Penthouse and talking about how oppressed they are. The messenger matters with things like this.

what youre saying is like saying an airline pilot cant be poor because he flies an expensive jet.
Sam has fancy wings he gets to use for his job, that doesnt mean he has actual spendable money. The wings probably legally belong to the US military anyway.
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yeah, the sam being poor plot is laughably unrealistic. really doesn't fit in this super realistic show about half of earth's population being back after they got snapped out of existence by a purple dude.

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That limo driver is clearly rich. After all, I saw him drive a limo!

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Spider-Man's entire existence is him being a poor superhero.

(although that's in a world where his identity isn't known which makes a difference admittedly)

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You know, I never really thought about how most of the MCU heroes don't hide their true identities.

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mnkboy907 posted...

You know, I never really thought about how most of the MCU heroes don't hide their true identities.

Yeah, I feel like they played with it a little bit at the end of Iron Man and then actively went "nah we ain't doin' that here"

although even in the MCU Spidey tries to hide his identity from anyone who isn't an Avenger (but does a poor job of it, which is fitting considering how notoriously bad Tom Holland also is at keeping secrets)

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It makes sense for Spidey to at least attempt to keep a hidden identity cause hes just a kid.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Spidey is the one superhero whose comics I've tried to read, and to put this very nicely, his character in the movies is so much better than the junk I kept reading.

There are certain arcs where he's difficult to like, especially early on.

But he's still the best superhero out there, bar none.

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also I'm watching Ant-Man right now and it's kind of amazing Falcon recovered from how he got embarrassed in this movie and now has his own show

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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79359077

Your opinion on anything is irrelevant when youve proven to have a staggering lack of real world experience.

I did nothing but troll that topic

Congrats you got me

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you didn't take that moonroof topic seriously? how dare you.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

The Sam being poor plot is laughably unrealistic

This is bullshit, and you know it. Exclude race, PLEASE. It does not matter who you are, if you were declared deceased five years prior all of your assets got distributed. Everybody who came back from the snap came back at all zeros. No income, no savings, no credit score. You can't be declared dead for five years then resume your life as if nothing happened.

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Of course billions of people are going to be in awful situations after not existing for five years. I think the point is that you'd think an Avenger previously backed by the richest guy on the planet would have some sort of safety net or income put aside for him.

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davidponte posted...

Of course billions of people are going to be in awful situations after not existing for five years. I think the point is that you'd think an Avenger previously backed by the richest guy on the planet would have some sort of safety net or income put aside for him.

So I think the idea is they wanted to tell this story, about people from the snap being ruined financially and whatnot cause they no longer "fit" in society due to being dead, but didn't really have a good avenue to tell it and tried to tell it through Sam.

Which is probably why I'm not too into the show right now. It feels less like a MCU show about the characters and more like "we have these stories in this world setting that seem cool and we're going to use these two characters that don't have super strong characterization to do it"

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yeah, seems like this first episode was mostly about exploring ideas. mostly "how did the blip REALLY affect the world" (as opposed to far from home, where they only addressed it with a few throwaway jokes) and "what's it like to be a superhero suffering from PTSD."

which was fine by me. i like it when a superhero story handles these interesting concepts and it goes beyond just "costumed good guys need to beat bad guys" (those stories can be good too, of course). i do hope we move on to something different in the next episode, though, as i don't think these concepts can carry an entire show.

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Maybe the money situation is a way for Zemo to try and lure Falcon to his side. "You save the world and can't even get a loan, they give Steve's shield to someone else, why do you even care about them?"

Not that I think it'll work but it seems like everything is going wrong for Sam.

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Black Widow delayed again, coming to Disney+ as well July 9th for an additional fee:
https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1374429041877389320

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Right but if youre intentionally missing the point just to troll and waste time, youre showing youre not worth spending time with in the first place.

*blinks*

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Yay! I've been hoping it would get premier access. I'd be willing to go to a theater but I know my husband still isn't comfortable with the idea.

First one I'll spend the extra money for.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I did nothing but troll that topic

Congrats you got me

You sure showed me by not actually reading the posts and just making assumptions

I learned my lesson

Holy shit what a read that topic was. My favorite part is where Corrik tries to say average high school sports teams are better than trained professionals.

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LeonhartFour posted...

*blinks*

Thank you for quoting that so I didn't miss such a golden display of self awareness.

Hyped that BW is coming to D+ and I'll probably bite on the premier access. Should be a better test for them than Mulan was.

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Blue-G posted...

Thank you for quoting that so I didn't miss such a golden display of self awareness.

Hyped that BW is coming to D+ and I'll probably bite on the premier access. Should be a better test for them than Mulan was.

I'd rather risk a theater than pay $30/support that business model.

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Is paying 30 dollars for early access to a premium movie that huge a deal as a consumer? I mean, whether or not it's worth it or not is up to you entirely, but as someone who's normally critical of shitty business practices this doesn't seem that horrendous

I mean, if you have two or three people watching it's still cheaper than going to the movies. And I hate theatre culture to begin with. This isn't a stage play, barbara, the actors can't hear you clapping.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Is paying 30 dollars for early access to a premium movie that huge a deal as a consumer? I mean, whether or not it's worth it or not is up to you entirely, but as someone who's normally critical of shitty business practices this doesn't seem that horrendous

If you assume the average streaming service serves 4 people I maintain this is a bargain relative to theater prices.

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I don't mind it for something I really want to see, I figure I'd spend close enough to that at a theater anyway. And for things I don't care to see that much I'm cool waiting a few months for it to show up streaming for free.

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Waluigi1 posted...

I'd rather risk a theater than pay $30/support that business model.

It will be much cheaper for us as a family to get it on D+ than go to the theater so I'm happy about it.

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If it was $20 instead of $30 I might be fine with it, still steep but it's relatively a nice theater price, but my Disney+ is really only for myself (my sister and dad bum off me but they don't watch MCU generally) so $30 is a bit much for me personally

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UltimaterializerX posted...

This is legit the stupidest thing Board 8 regularly complains about.

That is not legit the stupidest thing Board 8 regularly complains about. Contests.

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