Current Events > Demi Lovato: Gender reveal parties are transphobic.

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teep_ 02/27/21 12:50:23 AM #204:	I never thought about it like that. But she seems to be right --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:951134343] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>I never thought about it like that. But she seems to be right</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 02/27/21 12:54:47 AM #205:	Sex as a concept is transphobic. The sooner we do away with bullshit like biology, the sooner trans people can heal and feel accepted. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:951134452] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Sex as a concept is transphobic. The sooner we do away with bullshit like biology, the sooner trans people can heal and feel accepted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 02/27/21 12:59:03 AM #206:	Male is just a polite way of saying this person has a penis. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:951134535] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Male is just a polite way of saying this person has a penis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 02/27/21 1:01:17 AM #207:	thrashmetal14 posted... Biology is transphobic. Ban biology. J.K Rowling supports biology. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:951134580] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>thrashmetal14 posted... </cite> <quote>Biology is transphobic. Ban biology.</quote> J.K Rowling supports biology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 02/27/21 1:04:19 AM #208:	I thought the joke was that they started fires? --- I'm here live. Its...I'm not a cat. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:951134646] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>I thought the joke was that they started fires? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 1:07:56 AM #209:	she's hot as fuck, smart as fuck, and rich as fuck --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951134708] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>she's hot as fuck, smart as fuck, and rich as fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Collat 02/27/21 1:08:17 AM #210:	Gender reveal parties are moronic and purely narcissistic. Transphobic or not. <cite>Collat posted [p:951134715] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Gender reveal parties are moronic and purely narcissistic. Transphobic or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 1:09:14 AM #211:	Collat posted... Gender reveal parties are moronic and purely narcissistic. Transphobic or not. wow i agree with this. so wisely stated. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951134734] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Collat posted... </cite> <quote>Gender reveal parties are moronic and purely narcissistic. Transphobic or not.</quote> wow i agree with this. so wisely stated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 02/27/21 1:16:04 AM #212:	pure_temper posted... she's hot as fuck, smart as fuck, and rich as fuck Her nipple piercing and her take on this leads me to disagree with the first two. Can't argue with the third. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:951134857] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>she's hot as fuck, smart as fuck, and rich as fuck</quote>Her nipple piercing and her take on this leads me to disagree with the first two. Can't argue with the third. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 1:27:50 AM #213:	nah if you have a problem with her takes or how she chooses to present herself then i'm afraid you're the wrong one here lmao :P --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951135078] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>nah if you have a problem with her takes or how she chooses to present herself then i'm afraid you're the wrong one here lmao :P </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 02/27/21 1:36:13 AM #214:	I won't argue attraction as that's down to personal appeal but her take on this is extreme and dumb. Expecting parents saying they're having a boy or a girl isn't transphobic. If their child needs to transition and they deny them that right then that's transphobic for example. But this is bitching about something that on its own is fine. The explosives and big theatrics that accompany these parties are another story entirely. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:951135235] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>I won't argue attraction as that's down to personal appeal but her take on this is extreme and dumb. Expecting parents saying they're having a boy or a girl isn't transphobic. If their child needs to transition and they deny them that right then that's transphobic for example. But this is bitching about something that on its own is fine. The explosives and big theatrics that accompany these parties are another story entirely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 02/27/21 1:36:38 AM #215:	ForsakenHermit posted... Her nipple piercing and her take on this leads me to disagree with the first two. Can't argue with the third. what is wrong with nipple piercings? --- 20 seconds is all it takes! <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:951135242] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite> <quote>Her nipple piercing and her take on this leads me to disagree with the first two. Can't argue with the third.</quote>what is wrong with nipple piercings? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForsakenHermit 02/27/21 1:41:10 AM #216:	WashYourHands posted... what is wrong with nipple piercings? I find them to be a deal breaker. I see the female nipple as perfection that any artificial alteration can only make worse. Not to mention I think jewelry would get in the way when it comes to oral foreplay. Her body her choice and all don't get me wrong. --- Beware the fanatic! Too often his cure is deadlier by far than the evil he denounces!-Stan Lee RIP Make Arcades Great Again! <cite>ForsakenHermit posted [p:951135329] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted... </cite> <quote>what is wrong with nipple piercings?</quote>I find them to be a deal breaker. I see the female nipple as perfection that any artificial alteration can only make worse. Not to mention I think jewelry would get in the way when it comes to oral foreplay. Her body her choice and all don't get me wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/27/21 1:44:14 AM #217:	ForsakenHermit posted... I find them to be a deal breaker. I see the female nipple as perfection that any artificial alteration can only make worse. Not to mention I think jewelry would get in the way when it comes to oral foreplay. Her body her choice and all don't get me wrong. that's fair enough. if it's purely physical desire related then i getchu --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:951135391] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>ForsakenHermit posted... </cite> <quote>I find them to be a deal breaker. I see the female nipple as perfection that any artificial alteration can only make worse. Not to mention I think jewelry would get in the way when it comes to oral foreplay. Her body her choice and all don't get me wrong.</quote> that's fair enough. if it's purely physical desire related then i getchu </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnvoyOfTheLight 02/27/21 1:54:35 AM #218:	Conflict posted... So what's the point of asking about how much of the population is trans I'm curious where you thought you were going with that thought process Idunno about him, but it is perfectly normal to not consider very low odds in most given situations. If I ask a coworker if they wanna get a bite to eat, I'm going to assume they have an omnivorous diet, as do most people, unless they specify otherwise. As for another point, have gender reveal parties only been a recent thing? I know tons of "it's a girl!" balloons, cards, stupid tiny decorative pillows and other such ephemera have existed for long before most of us were born. And another thing! I hate the whole reactionary cycle microcosm that is this topic. Yes, there are a lot of shit transphobes out there. That doesn't mean that anybody who says anything that might slightly overlap with something they say is also transphobic. --- i horf and i <cite>EnvoyOfTheLight posted [p:951135571] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>So what's the point of asking about how much of the population is trans I'm curious where you thought you were going with that thought process</quote> Idunno about him, but it is perfectly normal to not consider very low odds in most given situations. If I ask a coworker if they wanna get a bite to eat, I'm going to assume they have an omnivorous diet, as do most people, unless they specify otherwise. As for another point, have gender reveal parties only been a recent thing? I know tons of "it's a girl!" balloons, cards, stupid tiny decorative pillows and other such ephemera have existed for long before most of us were born. And another thing! I hate the whole reactionary cycle microcosm that is this topic. Yes, there are a lot of shit transphobes out there. That doesn't mean that anybody who says anything that might slightly overlap with something they say is also transphobic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 02/27/21 2:25:19 AM #219:	and erases everyone else --- pisces <cite>ledbowman posted [p:951136091] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>and erases everyone else </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 02/27/21 3:27:51 AM #220:	They're not transphobic. If people have a problem with them, they can simply ignore them --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:951137030] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>They're not transphobic. If people have a problem with them, they can simply ignore them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/27/21 7:58:45 AM #221:	gmanthebest posted... They're not transphobic. If people have a problem with them, they can simply ignore them Impossible they may be invited to one and how could a person cope with just a detriment to the fabric of their identity --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:951140161] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite> <quote>They're not transphobic. If people have a problem with them, they can simply ignore them</quote> Impossible they may be invited to one and how could a person cope with just a detriment to the fabric of their identity </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCrystalKing 02/27/21 8:20:04 AM #222:	pure_temper posted... she's hot as fuck, smart as fuck, and rich as fuck you forgot annyoing as f* <cite>TheCrystalKing posted [p:951140495] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>she's hot as fuck, smart as fuck, and rich as fuck</quote> you forgot annyoing as f* </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 02/27/21 8:22:53 AM #223:	gmanthebest posted... They're not transphobic. If people have a problem with them, they can simply ignore them Hard to ignore when the state of California has smoke from the wildfire reaching hundreds of miles away. Hard to ignore when a neighbor blows himself up making a pipe bomb, for that matter. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:951140535] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite> <quote>They're not transphobic. If people have a problem with them, they can simply ignore them</quote>Hard to ignore when the state of California has smoke from the wildfire reaching hundreds of miles away. Hard to ignore when a neighbor blows himself up making a pipe bomb, for that matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YugiNoob 02/27/21 8:30:34 AM #224:	gunplagirl posted... Hard to ignore when the state of California has smoke from the wildfire reaching hundreds of miles away. Hard to ignore when a neighbor blows himself up making a pipe bomb, for that matter. That makes them, as mentioned many times in this topic, stupid, not transphobic. --- Bun bun :3 <cite>YugiNoob posted [p:951140656] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Hard to ignore when the state of California has smoke from the wildfire reaching hundreds of miles away. Hard to ignore when a neighbor blows himself up making a pipe bomb, for that matter.</quote>That makes them, as mentioned many times in this topic, stupid, not transphobic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/27/21 8:33:06 AM #225:	gunplagirl posted... Hard to ignore when the state of California has smoke from the wildfire reaching hundreds of miles away. Hard to ignore when a neighbor blows himself up making a pipe bomb, for that matter. Hahahahahahahahahahaha --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:951140690] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Hard to ignore when the state of California has smoke from the wildfire reaching hundreds of miles away. Hard to ignore when a neighbor blows himself up making a pipe bomb, for that matter.</quote> Hahahahahahahahahahaha </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 02/27/21 8:39:57 AM #226:	YugiNoob posted... That makes them, as mentioned many times in this topic, stupid, not transphobic. Oh honey, but it is. Go ahead and tell me why it's not transphobic. It's like when an old lady clutches her purse tightly against her when she's walking near some black teens. Maybe not intentionally racist, but the subconscious factor's there. And it's still harmful. It doesn't have to be full on yelling slurs and calling for us to be killed levels of extreme to be bad. But making those subtle steps to make it clear we're considered in a negative light? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:951140785] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>YugiNoob posted... </cite> <quote>That makes them, as mentioned many times in this topic, stupid, not transphobic.</quote>Oh honey, but it is. Go ahead and tell me why it's not transphobic. It's like when an old lady clutches her purse tightly against her when she's walking near some black teens. Maybe not intentionally racist, but the subconscious factor's there. And it's still harmful. It doesn't have to be full on yelling slurs and calling for us to be killed levels of extreme to be bad. But making those subtle steps to make it clear we're considered in a negative light? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/21 9:02:01 AM #227:	Master Kazuya posted... It really seems like you're tying a dumb celebration party to a harmful worldview without any nuance at all though Harmful worldviews all start somewhere. They don't spring out of the aether full formed. A bunch of little things in life reinforce them even if they're seemingly innocuous. In this case, the nuance itself is the key. I'm not saying people who do this will definitely abuse their child. I'm saying this, along with a host of other gender-based traditions, contributes to a "traditional" world view with regards to gender, simply by nature of the fact that it declares a child's gender before the child is born. "It's a boy. Buy us boy presents." --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:951141136] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Master Kazuya posted... </cite> <quote>It really seems like you're tying a dumb celebration party to a harmful worldview without any nuance at all though</quote>Harmful worldviews all start somewhere. They don't spring out of the aether full formed. A bunch of little things in life reinforce them even if they're seemingly innocuous. In this case, the nuance itself is the key. I'm not saying people who do this will definitely abuse their child. I'm saying this, along with a host of other gender-based traditions, contributes to a "traditional" world view with regards to gender, simply by nature of the fact that it declares a child's gender before the child is born. "It's a boy. Buy us boy presents." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 02/27/21 9:10:30 AM #228:	It's better to reveal your baby's gender matter-of-factly since people would want to know what to buy for the baby shower. --- I am so tired of CE. The only reason I go there is because the rest of the site is about half as active. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:951141279] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>It's better to reveal your baby's gender matter-of-factly since people would want to know what to buy for the baby shower. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/27/21 9:12:43 AM #229:	CyricZ posted... simply by nature of the fact that it declares a child's gender before the child is born. "It's a boy. Buy us boy presents." Oh no! The horror! If gender doesnt matter, it shouldnt matter what toys someone gets. What, a child isnt going to become transgender because they got blue toys instead of pink? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:951141326] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>simply by nature of the fact that it declares a child's gender before the child is born. "It's a boy. Buy us boy presents."</quote> Oh no! The horror! If gender doesnt matter, it shouldnt matter what toys someone gets. What, a child isnt going to become transgender because they got blue toys instead of pink? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/27/21 9:13:10 AM #230:	Declares the child's gender and is right 99% of the time right --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:951141336] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Declares the child's gender and is right 99% of the time right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 02/27/21 9:17:31 AM #231:	Solid Sonic posted... It's better to reveal your baby's gender matter-of-factly since people would want to know what to buy for the baby shower. Fun fact, baby clothes don't actually matter as long as they keep the newborn warm, and whether or not there's gender associated with toys for newborns make zero difference. The genitals don't matter for someone who has yet to develop any sense of object permanence. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:951141405] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted... </cite> <quote>It's better to reveal your baby's gender matter-of-factly since people would want to know what to buy for the baby shower.</quote>Fun fact, baby clothes don't actually matter as long as they keep the newborn warm, and whether or not there's gender associated with toys for newborns make zero difference. The genitals don't matter for someone who has yet to develop any sense of object permanence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/21 9:20:10 AM #232:	cuttin_in_farm posted... If gender doesnt matter, it shouldnt matter what toys someone gets. The child will play with whatever they want to play with. It's not so much about them as it is the people around the child, having lived with the concept for years that the child is something they're not. "We had a gender reveal party. We got you boy presents. We raised you as a boy. All our friends and family know you as a boy. Now you're telling us you're a girl? After all we invested in you being a boy?" EDIT: Oh and when I say "invested" I don't just mean financially, but also emotionally. A little over-dramatic and simplistic perhaps, but consider on one hand there's the suffering of a transgender child for realizing that they're something they're not, and the other hand the suffering of a transgender child from the people around them telling them that they're something they're not. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:951141451] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>If gender doesnt matter, it shouldnt matter what toys someone gets.</quote>The child will play with whatever they want to play with. It's not so much about them as it is the people around the child, having lived with the concept for years that the child is something they're not. "We had a gender reveal party. We got you boy presents. We raised you as a boy. All our friends and family know you as a boy. Now you're telling us you're a girl? After all we invested in you being a boy?" EDIT: Oh and when I say "invested" I don't just mean financially, but also emotionally. A little over-dramatic and simplistic perhaps, but consider on one hand there's the suffering of a transgender child for realizing that they're something they're not, and the other hand the suffering of a transgender child from the people around them telling them that they're something they're not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 02/27/21 9:24:41 AM #233:	CyricZ posted... The child will play with whatever they want to play with. It's not so much about them as it is the people around the child, having lived with the concept for years that the child is something they're not. "We had a gender reveal party. We got you boy presents. We raised you as a boy. All our friends and family know you as a boy. Now you're telling us you're a girl? After all we invested in you being a boy?" EDIT: Oh and when I say "invested" I don't just mean financially, but also emotionally. A little over-dramatic and simplistic perhaps, but consider on one hand there's the suffering of a transgender child for realizing that they're something they're not, and the other hand the suffering of a transgender child from the people around them telling them that they're something they're not. Are you suggesting people try and have a little empathy and see things from the perspective of another? On CE? Oh cyricz, you blessed, naive man, you. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:951141553] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>The child will play with whatever they want to play with. It's not so much about them as it is the people around the child, having lived with the concept for years that the child is something they're not. "We had a gender reveal party. We got you boy presents. We raised you as a boy. All our friends and family know you as a boy. Now you're telling us you're a girl? After all we invested in you being a boy?" EDIT: Oh and when I say "invested" I don't just mean financially, but also emotionally. A little over-dramatic and simplistic perhaps, but consider on one hand there's the suffering of a transgender child for realizing that they're something they're not, and the other hand the suffering of a transgender child from the people around them telling them that they're something they're not.</quote>Are you suggesting people try and have a little empathy and see things from the perspective of another? On CE? Oh cyricz, you blessed, naive man, you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/27/21 9:26:35 AM #234:	CyricZ posted... "We had a gender reveal party. We got you boy presents. We raised you as a boy. All our friends and family know you as a boy. Now you're telling us you're a girl? After all we invested in you being a boy?" Youre assuming how people will react. This may amaze yall. But I assume people I meet are heterosexual omnivores. If it is revealed they are not, I go oh, okay, and treat them appropriately. Yall cant try this weird logic of Well, I would give my kid a name... but I dunno what they will identify as , and wait five (should be 18) years to decide. Gender specific toys are harmless. Im a dude, and played with the easy bake oven daily because it was fucking fun. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:951141586] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>"We had a gender reveal party. We got you boy presents. We raised you as a boy. All our friends and family know you as a boy. Now you're telling us you're a girl? After all we invested in you being a boy?"</quote> Youre assuming how people will react. This may amaze yall. But I assume people I meet are heterosexual omnivores. If it is revealed they are not, I go oh, okay, and treat them appropriately. Yall cant try this weird logic of Well, I would give my kid a name... but I dunno what they will identify as , and wait five (should be 18) years to decide. Gender specific toys are harmless. Im a dude, and played with the easy bake oven daily because it was fucking fun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/27/21 9:28:36 AM #235:	Like, I feel like not having any identity at all because dipshit ass parents are waiting for some revelation would be more detrimental. But I dunno the science. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:951141631] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Like, I feel like not having any identity at all because dipshit ass parents are waiting for some revelation would be more detrimental. But I dunno the science. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/27/21 9:28:36 AM #236:	cuttin_in_farm posted... But I assume people I meet are heterosexual omnivores I look forward to the day when hatred like this can be overcome --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:951141632] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>But I assume people I meet are heterosexual omnivores</quote> I look forward to the day when hatred like this can be overcome </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 02/27/21 9:29:10 AM #237:	The primary issue here is the mistaken association between normal (average) things and horrible things. We can understand that theres a problem with a parent yelling at a child for playing with the wrong toys, but that doesnt mean labeling toys specifically as a girls toys and boys toys is a harmful practice. Trying to dissuade harmful practices by attacking what is normal (average) for most people is wrong path. <cite>nemu posted [p:951141641] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>The primary issue here is the mistaken association between normal (average) things and horrible things. We can understand that theres a problem with a parent yelling at a child for playing with the wrong toys, but that doesnt mean labeling toys specifically as a girls toys and boys toys is a harmful practice. Trying to dissuade harmful practices by attacking what is normal (average) for most people is wrong path. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 02/27/21 9:29:59 AM #238:	gunplagirl posted... Fun fact, baby clothes don't actually matter as long as they keep the newborn warm, and whether or not there's gender associated with toys for newborns make zero difference. The genitals don't matter for someone who has yet to develop any sense of object permanence. Gender-specific stuff is more for the satisfaction of the parents who want people to know what gender their kid is before they grow out defining features. Doesn't make a difference to a baby. --- I am so tired of CE. The only reason I go there is because the rest of the site is about half as active. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:951141655] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Fun fact, baby clothes don't actually matter as long as they keep the newborn warm, and whether or not there's gender associated with toys for newborns make zero difference. The genitals don't matter for someone who has yet to develop any sense of object permanence.</quote> Gender-specific stuff is more for the satisfaction of the parents who want people to know what gender their kid is before they grow out defining features. Doesn't make a difference to a baby. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/21 9:33:18 AM #239:	Like here's another way to think of it. All parents have like a "road map" they go through as their infant child grows up, right? Able to recognize parents. Starts to grab things. Able to eat solid food. First words. Staring to walk. So on and so forth. Just add "recognizes own gender" to that list. And it'll probably be down the line a couple years or so, but the point is that it is part of the child's development, and parents should at least be aware of the fact that, however small a chance, their child's gender ID might not match their physical body, and to that end avoid trying to reinforce the child's gender, especially in social interactions. Heck "recognizes own gender" might already be on the list for all I know and parents have just long forgotten the list that far into parenting. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:951141734] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Like here's another way to think of it. All parents have like a "road map" they go through as their infant child grows up, right? Able to recognize parents. Starts to grab things. Able to eat solid food. First words. Staring to walk. So on and so forth. Just add "recognizes own gender" to that list. And it'll probably be down the line a couple years or so, but the point is that it is part of the child's development, and parents should at least be aware of the fact that, however small a chance, their child's gender ID might not match their physical body, and to that end avoid trying to reinforce the child's gender, especially in social interactions. Heck "recognizes own gender" might already be on the list for all I know and parents have just long forgotten the list that far into parenting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/21 9:35:09 AM #240:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Youre assuming how people will react. We have a trans person in this topic. I'm sure she can tell us how people reacted. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:951141770] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Youre assuming how people will react.</quote>We have a trans person in this topic. I'm sure she can tell us how people reacted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 02/27/21 9:35:37 AM #241:	Solid Sonic posted... Gender-specific stuff is more for the satisfaction of the parents who want people to know what gender their kid is before they grow out defining features. Doesn't make a difference to a baby. Holy fuckeroni, did you just mansplain what I literally just said? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:951141782] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Solid Sonic posted... </cite> <quote>Gender-specific stuff is more for the satisfaction of the parents who want people to know what gender their kid is before they grow out defining features. Doesn't make a difference to a baby.</quote>Holy fuckeroni, did you just mansplain what I literally just said? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 02/27/21 9:36:22 AM #242:	Are you PISSED at me? From where I sit I was agreeing but if you want to make it into an argument I'm right here, let's go. --- I am so tired of CE. The only reason I go there is because the rest of the site is about half as active. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:951141799] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Are you PISSED at me? From where I sit I was agreeing but if you want to make it into an argument I'm right here, let's go. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/21 9:40:10 AM #243:	nemu posted... The primary issue here is the mistaken association between normal (average) things and horrible things. Those two don't sit on opposite ends of a spectrum. "Normal" can be horrible, or contribute to something horrible. And you're still misreading. I'm not talking about the effect toys have on a child. I'm talking about the effect an enforced gender has on an adult someone who is in the child's life. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:951141869] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>nemu posted... </cite> <quote>The primary issue here is the mistaken association between normal (average) things and horrible things.</quote>Those two don't sit on opposite ends of a spectrum. "Normal" can be horrible, or contribute to something horrible. And you're still misreading. I'm not talking about the effect toys have on a child. I'm talking about the effect an enforced gender has on an adult someone who is in the child's life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/27/21 9:41:33 AM #244:	Lol --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:951141890] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 02/27/21 9:48:14 AM #245:	Lol, the next time someone on CE tries hard to convince us that there is no such thing as an SJW, I will direct them to this article and ask them to keep reading it until their eyeballs melt. And I dont even like those narcissistic and sometimes dangerous gender reveal parties. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:951142004] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Lol, the next time someone on CE tries hard to convince us that there is no such thing as an SJW, I will direct them to this article and ask them to keep reading it until their eyeballs melt. And I dont even like those narcissistic and sometimes dangerous gender reveal parties. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 02/27/21 9:49:16 AM #246:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... Lol, the next time someone on CE tries hard to convince us that there is no such thing as an SJW, I will direct them to this article and ask them to keep reading it until their eyeballs melt. And I dont even like those narcissistic and sometimes dangerous gender reveal parties. Just at cyricz and you're good to go --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended <cite>The Trent posted [p:951142032] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Lorenzo_2003 posted... </cite> <quote>Lol, the next time someone on CE tries hard to convince us that there is no such thing as an SJW, I will direct them to this article and ask them to keep reading it until their eyeballs melt. And I dont even like those narcissistic and sometimes dangerous gender reveal parties.</quote> Just at cyricz and you're good to go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/27/21 9:53:33 AM #247:	gunplagirl posted... Are you suggesting people try and have a little empathy and see things from the perspective of another? On CE? Oh cyricz, you blessed, naive man, you. Honestly, Ive had it up to here with him --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951142135] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Are you suggesting people try and have a little empathy and see things from the perspective of another? On CE? Oh cyricz, you blessed, naive man, you.</quote>Honestly, Ive had it up to here with him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/27/21 9:54:57 AM #248:	CyricZ posted... We have a trans person in this topic. I'm sure she can tell us how people reacted. Im someone who has met a trans person I thought was cisgender. Im sure I can tell you how people react. CyricZ posted... Able to recognize parents. Starts to grab things. Able to eat solid food. First words. Staring to walk. So on and so forth. Just add "recognizes own gender" to that list. I legitimately am angry at how self righteous yall are while not realizing how DANGEROUS your mindset is. Again, if yall say transgender people are by nature, no amount of conditioning will change that. Heterosexual parents dont stop showing affection or dont talk about heterosexual desires around their children because they might be gay. Yall are hurting the trans movement by being such babies and being the lamest person at the party. You do you. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:951142165] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>We have a trans person in this topic. I'm sure she can tell us how people reacted.</quote> Im someone who has met a trans person I thought was cisgender. Im sure I can tell you how people react. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Able to recognize parents. Starts to grab things. Able to eat solid food. First words. Staring to walk. So on and so forth. Just add "recognizes own gender" to that list.</quote> I legitimately am angry at how self righteous yall are while not realizing how DANGEROUS your mindset is. Again, if yall say transgender people are by nature, no amount of conditioning will change that. Heterosexual parents dont stop showing affection or dont talk about heterosexual desires around their children because they might be gay. Yall are hurting the trans movement by being such babies and being the lamest person at the party. You do you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/27/21 9:58:03 AM #249:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Yall are hurting the trans movement by being such babies and being the lamest person at the party. this is always a very funny line --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951142235] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Yall are hurting the trans movement by being such babies and being the lamest person at the party.</quote>this is always a very funny line </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/27/21 10:00:50 AM #250:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Im someone who has met a trans person I thought was cisgender. Im sure I can tell you how people react. I'm not talking about just walking up and meeting a random adult trans person. I'm talking about a person in an infant child's life (parent, grandparent, aunt/uncle, other relation, neighbor, etc.) who has it in their mind that the child they see before them is a boy or a girl, and the things that they can surround that child with to reinforce that assumption within themselves, and the years they held on to that assumption as the child grows, and what it would mean for that person (and how they would treat the child) if they found out that the child's gender was not what they thought. cuttin_in_farm posted... I legitimately am angry at how self righteous yall are while not realizing how DANGEROUS your mindset is. What is dangerous about not assuming a child's gender identity? Also why you so angry? Don't cry, friend. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:951142295] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Im someone who has met a trans person I thought was cisgender. Im sure I can tell you how people react.</quote>I'm not talking about just walking up and meeting a random adult trans person. I'm talking about a person in an infant child's life (parent, grandparent, aunt/uncle, other relation, neighbor, etc.) who has it in their mind that the child they see before them is a boy or a girl, and the things that they can surround that child with to reinforce that assumption within themselves, and the years they held on to that assumption as the child grows, and what it would mean for that person (and how they would treat the child) if they found out that the child's gender was not what they thought. cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>I legitimately am angry at how self righteous yall are while not realizing how DANGEROUS your mindset is.</quote>What is dangerous about not assuming a child's gender identity? Also why you so angry? Don't cry, friend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Flockaveli 02/27/21 10:04:39 AM #252:	Whens the last time she did something important? Her opinion has no value anymore. --- I'm in Chicago, I'm shaking my head. <cite>Flockaveli posted [p:951142365] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>Whens the last time she did something important? Her opinion has no value anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 02/27/21 10:05:12 AM #253:	CyricZ posted... I'm talking about a person in an infant child's life (parent, grandparent, aunt/uncle, other relation, neighbor, etc.) who has it in their mind that the child they see before them is a boy or a girl, and the things that they can surround that child with to reinforce that assumption within themselves, and the years they held on to that assumption as the child grows, and what it would mean for that person (and how they would treat the child) if they found out that the child's gender was not what they thought. Youre describing gay people. What precautions do gay people have to defend from being not what their parents wanted or expected? Gender reveal parties arent the problem. Nor how theyre treated. Shitty parents are. Whats your opinion on names for newborns? CyricZ posted... Also why you so angry? Don't cry, friend. I said angry, not sad. I have a pretty mean scowl. CyricZ posted... What is dangerous about not assuming a child's gender identity before they can express it? cuttin_in_farm posted... Like, I feel like not having any identity at all because dipshit ass parents are waiting for some revelation would be more detrimental. But I dunno the science. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:951142385] in Demi Lovat... [t:79318243]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I'm talking about a person in an infant child's life (parent, grandparent, aunt/uncle, other relation, neighbor, etc.) who has it in their mind that the child they see before them is a boy or a girl, and the things that they can surround that child with to reinforce that assumption within themselves, and the years they held on to that assumption as the child grows, and what it would mean for that person (and how they would treat the child) if they found out that the child's gender was not what they thought.</quote> Youre describing gay people. What precautions do gay people have to defend from being not what their parents wanted or expected? Gender reveal parties arent the problem. Nor how theyre treated. Shitty parents are. Whats your opinion on names for newborns? CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Also why you so angry? Don't cry, friend.</quote> I said angry, not sad. I have a pretty mean scowl. CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>What is dangerous about not assuming a child's gender identity before they can express it?</quote> cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Like, I feel like not having any identity at all because dipshit ass parents are waiting for some revelation would be more detrimental. But I dunno the science.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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