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Jakyl25 02/25/21 11:41:46 PM #101:	The Brands are At It Again https://twitter.com/oreo/status/1365038991469281280?s=21 Thank you for this bold stance, Oreo --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:951088187] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>The Brands are At It Again https://twitter.com/oreo/status/1365038991469281280?s=21 Thank you for this bold stance, Oreo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 02/25/21 11:49:37 PM #102:	I'm typically cool with brands doing flashy supports for trans rights even if it's just a show and they still have problems within their company, because the show is still valuable .......................... that tweet though uh what even, that's just going out of your way to say nothing --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:951088414] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>I'm typically cool with brands doing flashy supports for trans rights even if it's just a show and they still have problems within their company, because the show is still valuable .......................... that tweet though uh what even, that's just going out of your way to say nothing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 02/25/21 11:51:03 PM #103:	Trans fats also exist --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:951088459] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Trans fats also exist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LtMplusCATS 02/25/21 11:52:10 PM #104:	"Tell my wife hello" energy. What can you expect from the company that not too long ago deemed to release the...cookies and cream flavored oreo. <cite>LtMplusCATS posted [p:951088483] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>"Tell my wife hello" energy. What can you expect from the company that not too long ago deemed to release the...cookies and cream flavored oreo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 02/25/21 11:55:34 PM #105:	tbf as much of a dumb & clumsy tweet it is I'm all game for still pissing off the triggered transphobes --- http://gmun.moe/ffcc GuessMyUserName's account's very own account! <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:951088577] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>tbf as much of a dumb & clumsy tweet it is I'm all game for still pissing off the triggered transphobes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/26/21 12:26:08 AM #106:	Grimlyn posted... tbf as much of a dumb & clumsy tweet it is I'm all game for still pissing off the triggered transphobes Yeah trans people exist is the laziest attempt they could possibly make, but you still know it is sending certain people into hysterics so honestly I dont totally hate it? --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:951089391] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted... </cite> <quote>tbf as much of a dumb & clumsy tweet it is I'm all game for still pissing off the triggered transphobes</quote> Yeah trans people exist is the laziest attempt they could possibly make, but you still know it is sending certain people into hysterics so honestly I dont totally hate it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 02/26/21 12:30:19 AM #107:	that is about as dumb as posting 'black people exist' in response to the george floyd killing --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg Congrats to azuarc* on being really good at predicting stuff* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:951089492] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>that is about as dumb as posting 'black people exist' in response to the george floyd killing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 02/26/21 12:40:20 AM #108:	I think it's probably actually in response to the latest Facebook conservative mom thing being that trans people somehow can't exist because you can't change your gender and therefore you can't actually be trans and it's really dumb --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:951089735] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>I think it's probably actually in response to the latest Facebook conservative mom thing being that trans people somehow can't exist because you can't change your gender and therefore you can't actually be trans and it's really dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/26/21 12:53:05 AM #109:	https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1365141354960084994 A literally golden calf --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:951090016] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/MollyJongFast/status/1365141354960084994 A literally golden calf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/26/21 1:43:15 AM #110:	Suprak the Stud posted... Im not well enough versed on specific senate rules so please feel free to correct me, but is this true? Everything I had read before was that things could only be included in reconciliation bills if allowed by the senate parliamentarian. Because if they can just ignore that couldnt they just pass whatever they wanted through reconciliation? I know that isnt true, so Im assuming theyre wrong here. Yes, the parliamentarian's ruling can be overruled by the presiding officer (the VP in this case since Harris would be sitting in this for tiebreaking purposes.) You can also do what the GOP did back during Bush 43's term and just fire the parliamentarian and get a new one because you don't like their rulings. While I am not certain of the exact process here in terms of what motions could be filed in response, I would assume such a decision could be challenged by a full vote of the Senate. The reconciliation process itself, as outlined by Congress's 1970s legislation that created it, allows for the parliamentarian to be overruled by a 60 vote threshold but I think (key word here, not positive) that overruling the presiding officer were they to step in would simply be a majority. So, yes, hypothetically a presiding officer (or a parliamentarian even) could just start allowing anything by claiming it follows the guidelines for reconciliation even if it obviously doesn't. When the Senate started the reconciliation process a few weeks ago they already committed to it being a reconciliation bill so the 50 vote requirement is already locked in. A presiding officer overruling the parliamentarian in such a manner here would be tantamount to eliminating the filibuster of course, though technically speaking would not actually do that. As LotM mentions the "can only be used up to 3 times per fiscal year" requirement would still be in place due to the fact that the reconciliation process itself was created by that 1970s law but yeah, hypothetically you could do all this. As a practical matter though, if Harris were to do so, it would almost certainly fail. Assuming I'm correct that such a ruling could be challenged (and it's almost impossible to believe it could not) you'd need 50+VP to uphold the ruling of the chair (Harris) on the matter which means you'd need all the Dems to commit to this and there's basically a 0% chance Manchin would play ball. I'd fully expect him to side with the parliamentarian/Republicans vote against it defeating it 49-51 (if not more if say Sinema joins him too, etc.) Fundamentally, it's the same thing as during the first impeachment trial where Roberts was presiding over the Senate. Chief Justice of SCOTUS serves as the presiding officer of the Senate for impeachment trials of a president so he'd be filling the exact rule as Harris would be here. He can make his rulings, but as discussed back then, they are all subject to a vote of the Senate so back then the GOP could have overruled Roberts or been put in the tricky political position of whether they would want to. It's why Dems were hoping Roberts would make rulings on certain matters but he never did. The chair/presiding officer has the ability to issue such rulings but it's largely ceremonial because at the end of the day it's the Senate itself that makes the final call by voting on it. It's just the presiding officer is almost always a member of the majority party (only in a 50-50 split with an opposite party VP present in the chamber would they not be) and a lot of these details are worked out beforehand so everyone tends to go in on the same page. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:951091174] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Im not well enough versed on specific senate rules so please feel free to correct me, but is this true? Everything I had read before was that things could only be included in reconciliation bills if allowed by the senate parliamentarian. Because if they can just ignore that couldnt they just pass whatever they wanted through reconciliation? I know that isnt true, so Im assuming theyre wrong here.</quote>Yes, the parliamentarian's ruling can be overruled by the presiding officer (the VP in this case since Harris would be sitting in this for tiebreaking purposes.) You can also do what the GOP did back during Bush 43's term and just fire the parliamentarian and get a new one because you don't like their rulings. While I am not certain of the exact process here in terms of what motions could be filed in response, I would assume such a decision could be challenged by a full vote of the Senate. The reconciliation process itself, as outlined by Congress's 1970s legislation that created it, allows for the parliamentarian to be overruled by a 60 vote threshold but I think (key word here, not positive) that overruling the presiding officer were they to step in would simply be a majority. So, yes, hypothetically a presiding officer (or a parliamentarian even) could just start allowing anything by claiming it follows the guidelines for reconciliation even if it obviously doesn't. When the Senate started the reconciliation process a few weeks ago they already committed to it being a reconciliation bill so the 50 vote requirement is already locked in. A presiding officer overruling the parliamentarian in such a manner here would be tantamount to eliminating the filibuster of course, though technically speaking would not actually do that. As LotM mentions the "can only be used up to 3 times per fiscal year" requirement would still be in place due to the fact that the reconciliation process itself was created by that 1970s law but yeah, hypothetically you could do all this. As a practical matter though, if Harris were to do so, it would almost certainly fail. Assuming I'm correct that such a ruling could be challenged (and it's almost impossible to believe it could not) you'd need 50+VP to uphold the ruling of the chair (Harris) on the matter which means you'd need all the Dems to commit to this and there's basically a 0% chance Manchin would play ball. I'd fully expect him to side with the parliamentarian/Republicans vote against it defeating it 49-51 (if not more if say Sinema joins him too, etc.) Fundamentally, it's the same thing as during the first impeachment trial where Roberts was presiding over the Senate. Chief Justice of SCOTUS serves as the presiding officer of the Senate for impeachment trials of a president so he'd be filling the exact rule as Harris would be here. He can make his rulings, but as discussed back then, they are all subject to a vote of the Senate so back then the GOP could have overruled Roberts or been put in the tricky political position of whether they would want to. It's why Dems were hoping Roberts would make rulings on certain matters but he never did. The chair/presiding officer has the ability to issue such rulings but it's largely ceremonial because at the end of the day it's the Senate itself that makes the final call by voting on it. It's just the presiding officer is almost always a member of the majority party (only in a 50-50 split with an opposite party VP present in the chamber would they not be) and a lot of these details are worked out beforehand so everyone tends to go in on the same page. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 02/26/21 3:09:27 AM #111:	Suprak the Stud posted... Yeah trans people exist is the laziest attempt they could possibly make, but you still know it is sending certain people into hysterics so honestly I dont totally hate it? It really does not even qualify as support! Like, what is the context of their acknowledging our existence? "Trans people exist (and deserve to have their rights respected like everyone else)"? "Trans people exist (and pose a grave threat to everything we hold dear)"? The text of the tweet equally supports both! <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:951092647] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah trans people exist is the laziest attempt they could possibly make, but you still know it is sending certain people into hysterics so honestly I dont totally hate it?</quote> It really does not even qualify as support! Like, what is the context of their acknowledging our existence? "Trans people exist (and deserve to have their rights respected like everyone else)"? "Trans people exist (and pose a grave threat to everything we hold dear)"? The text of the tweet equally supports both! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/26/21 7:08:05 AM #112:	Addendum/Edit to my parliamentarian/presiding officer post there. I'm seeing some discussion that were Harris to overrule the parliamentarian it would require 60 votes to overrule Harris as well. I'm not entirely sure of that, but if true then I suppose that wouldn't be an impossible scenario then because you'd just need 41 votes to sustain her ruling so you could afford to lose Manchin, Sinema, and more even. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:951095970] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Addendum/Edit to my parliamentarian/presiding officer post there. I'm seeing some discussion that were Harris to overrule the parliamentarian it would require 60 votes to overrule Harris as well. I'm not entirely sure of that, but if true then I suppose that wouldn't be an impossible scenario then because you'd just need 41 votes to sustain her ruling so you could afford to lose Manchin, Sinema, and more even. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 02/26/21 7:12:59 AM #113:	xp1337 posted... Addendum/Edit to my parliamentarian/presiding officer post there. I'm seeing some discussion that were Harris to overrule the parliamentarian it would require 60 votes to overrule Harris as well. I'm not entirely sure of that, but if true then I suppose that wouldn't be an impossible scenario then because you'd just need 41 votes to sustain her ruling so you could afford to lose Manchin, Sinema, and more even. Yeah I mentioned that earlier (at least based on what I read), but thats prior to the vote on the actual bill itself so Manchin/Sinema/etc could still vote no on that if they feel strongly that the process was unacceptable. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:951096054] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Addendum/Edit to my parliamentarian/presiding officer post there. I'm seeing some discussion that were Harris to overrule the parliamentarian it would require 60 votes to overrule Harris as well. I'm not entirely sure of that, but if true then I suppose that wouldn't be an impossible scenario then because you'd just need 41 votes to sustain her ruling so you could afford to lose Manchin, Sinema, and more even.</quote>Yeah I mentioned that earlier (at least based on what I read), but thats prior to the vote on the actual bill itself so Manchin/Sinema/etc could still vote no on that if they feel strongly that the process was unacceptable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/26/21 7:16:47 AM #114:	Oh, duh, missed that post. I actually don't think Manchin/Sinema would kill the final bill over it though, but you'd be risking that chance. COVID Relief is too big for them to pull that, I think. But I also don't know if you can afford to gamble on that. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:951096119] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Oh, duh, missed that post. I actually don't think Manchin/Sinema would kill the final bill over it though, but you'd be risking that chance. COVID Relief is too big for them to pull that, I think. But I also don't know if you can afford to gamble on that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 02/26/21 8:36:33 AM #116:	https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1365120468613689345?s=21 $1400 rescue checks --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:951097802] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/cushbomb/status/1365120468613689345?s=21 $1400 rescue checks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeepsPraw 02/26/21 9:15:55 AM #117:	Jakyl25 posted... Trans fats also exist not anymore unfortunately. they made stuff taste SOOOO good and now they're all gone --- pepsi for tv-game <cite>DeepsPraw posted [p:951098800] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Trans fats also exist</quote>not anymore unfortunately. they made stuff taste SOOOO good and now they're all gone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 02/26/21 9:40:21 AM #118:	Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:951099476] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 9:51:09 AM #119:	Still just glad we don't have Hitler in office tbh. Joe has done more good things than I thought he would. Plus the gop is rigging the next election anyway already so I don't think this matters much. At least I am a blue vote in Georgia now. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951099824] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Still just glad we don't have Hitler in office tbh. Joe has done more good things than I thought he would. Plus the gop is rigging the next election anyway already so I don't think this matters much. At least I am a blue vote in Georgia now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/26/21 9:52:55 AM #120:	yeah its gonna be fuckin sick when Joe doesnt do half the things he promised and the GOP regains control, they wont absolutely punish us for disrespecting their God Emperor, nope --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:951099881] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>yeah its gonna be fuckin sick when Joe doesnt do half the things he promised and the GOP regains control, they wont absolutely punish us for disrespecting their God Emperor, nope </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 9:54:08 AM #121:	Man I am already assuming it won't matter given these laws being passed. At least we get a four year reprieve. We are totally screwed my dude --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951099924] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Man I am already assuming it won't matter given these laws being passed. At least we get a four year reprieve. We are totally screwed my dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 02/26/21 9:58:48 AM #122:	Also, shouldn't Justice Breyer... retire? He's 82! And we have a Democratic President who can replace him, and the Senate so we can just shove through whoever we want. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:951100069] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Also, shouldn't Justice Breyer... retire? He's 82! And we have a Democratic President who can replace him, and the Senate so we can just shove through whoever we want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 10:02:20 AM #123:	I am sure it is totally fine. What could go wrong --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951100163] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>I am sure it is totally fine. What could go wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/26/21 10:03:39 AM #124:	Hopefully he's just staying around for the end of this term (SCOTUS terms start in October and run through until usually June/July) so his vote is still around for the cases they have, which include quite a few big ones still like the ACA one. After the term is over though, yes absolutely he should retire so the Senate can confirm a new justice to his seat. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:951100211] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully he's just staying around for the end of this term (SCOTUS terms start in October and run through until usually June/July) so his vote is still around for the cases they have, which include quite a few big ones still like the ACA one. After the term is over though, yes absolutely he should retire so the Senate can confirm a new justice to his seat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/26/21 11:55:39 AM #125:	Dancedreamer posted... Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount. Apparently the White House could just fire and replace her, and they're not, so... --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:951105482] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount.</quote> Apparently the White House could just fire and replace her, and they're not, so... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/26/21 11:56:30 AM #126:	https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1365090142491451393?s=21 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:951105516] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/laraseligman/status/1365090142491451393?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 11:59:17 AM #129:	UltimaterializerX posted... You are too smart for a point this dumb. Stupid Hitler tbf I guess. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951105635] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>You are too smart for a point this dumb.</quote> Stupid Hitler tbf I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/26/21 12:07:21 PM #130:	Dancedreamer posted... Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount. You people are ridiculous. Regardless of her decision, she didn't say 7.25/hr is fine for minimum wage. Her job has nothing to do with that. Her job is to decide what should be allowed in reconciliation bills which have strict guidelines. Biden told her publicly it shouldn't be allowed multiple times. It has nothing to do with her opinion on what the minimum wage should be. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:951105986] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount.</quote>You people are ridiculous. Regardless of her decision, she didn't say 7.25/hr is fine for minimum wage. Her job has nothing to do with that. Her job is to decide what should be allowed in reconciliation bills which have strict guidelines. Biden told her publicly it shouldn't be allowed multiple times. It has nothing to do with her opinion on what the minimum wage should be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 02/26/21 12:07:48 PM #131:	Dancedreamer posted... Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount. Yes, let's all get mad at the parliamentarian for not just throwing out established rules on a whim. It's all her fault, not the all the senators who would block a stand-alone minimum wage increase or insist that allowing it to be blocked is a good thing. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:951106011] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted...</cite> <quote>Since Elizabeth McDonnough, an unelected official, gets to decide that minimum wage is perfectly fine at $7.25/hour, I think that's what her salary should be lowered to, and she should be forced to pay back any back salary over that amount.</quote> Yes, let's all get mad at the parliamentarian for not just throwing out established rules on a whim. It's all her fault, not the all the senators who would block a stand-alone minimum wage increase or insist that allowing it to be blocked is a good thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 12:09:18 PM #132:	What's ridiculous is we would let anything stand in the way of lifting people out of poverty. It is shameful. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951106077] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>What's ridiculous is we would let anything stand in the way of lifting people out of poverty. It is shameful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/26/21 12:26:56 PM #133:	Xeybozn posted... Yes, let's all get mad at the parliamentarian for not just throwing out established rules on a whim. Correct, I do not respect rules that act as a barrier to progress. A lot of our government's rules are just bad! We are already passing this relief package via a loophole, now is not the time to wring hands about the rules! --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:951106850] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, let's all get mad at the parliamentarian for not just throwing out established rules on a whim.</quote> Correct, I do not respect rules that act as a barrier to progress. A lot of our government's rules are just bad! We are already passing this relief package via a loophole, now is not the time to wring hands about the rules! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/26/21 12:30:08 PM #134:	Fun anecdote, Im at work and a mechanic and parts guy are talking politics and they literally brought up Benghazi lol --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:951107011] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Fun anecdote, Im at work and a mechanic and parts guy are talking politics and they literally brought up Benghazi lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/26/21 12:36:33 PM #135:	https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1365321957739233282?s=19 No hopes for this but interesting. Thanks Bernie. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:951107330] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1365321957739233282?s=19 No hopes for this but interesting. Thanks Bernie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 12:37:38 PM #136:	America doesn't deserve Bernie --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951107390] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>America doesn't deserve Bernie </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/26/21 12:40:33 PM #137:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Apparently the White House could just fire and replace her, and they're not, so... ...The White House can't fire the Senate parliamentarian. The Senate could. Specifically, I think the Majority Leader, so Schumer, but don't hold me to that. I think the parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the Senate Majority Leader. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:951107518] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Apparently the White House could just fire and replace her, and they're not, so...</quote>...The White House can't fire the Senate parliamentarian. The Senate could. Specifically, I think the Majority Leader, so Schumer, but don't hold me to that. I think the parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the Senate Majority Leader. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 02/26/21 12:45:56 PM #138:	xp1337 posted... ...The White House can't fire the Senate parliamentarian. The Senate could. Specifically, I think the Majority Leader, so Schumer, but don't hold me to that. I think the parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the Senate Majority Leader. True, I think I was mixing it up with people saying Harris can overrule them. It seems like in the past Republicans did this via the Majority Leader and Secretary of the Senate. But this is splitting hairs - Democrats have avenues to fight it, Biden and Harris have avenues to pressure the party to do so. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:951107763] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>...The White House can't fire the Senate parliamentarian. The Senate could. Specifically, I think the Majority Leader, so Schumer, but don't hold me to that. I think the parliamentarian serves at the pleasure of the Senate Majority Leader.</quote> True, I think I was mixing it up with people saying Harris can overrule them. It seems like in the past Republicans did this via the Majority Leader and Secretary of the Senate. But this is splitting hairs - Democrats have avenues to fight it, Biden and Harris have avenues to pressure the party to do so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/26/21 12:50:53 PM #139:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... True, I think I was mixing it up with people saying Harris can overrule them. It seems like in the past Republicans did this via the Majority Leader and Secretary of the Senate. But this is splitting hairs - Democrats have avenues to fight it, Biden and Harris have avenues to pressure the party to do so. Yeah. There's basically two avenues that could be explored if they wanted to keep up the minimum wage fight on this COVID relief bill. They can have Harris overrule the parliamentarian. I don't think it's been done in close to 50 years but she absolutely has the authority. Or Schumer could fire the parliamentarian and hire a new one. Ironically, the precedent on this is both more recent and fitting. As I've alluded to before, the GOP fired the parliamentarian in 2001 when they disliked the rulings in the last 50-50 Senate. That said, either option is tantamount to repealing the filibuster so really they should just do that instead. Though given Manchin and Sinema they'd need to attach it to something the two of them want, so if not this then maybe infrastructure or something since Manchin at least has made it very clear he wouldn't pass a standalone $15 minimum wage bill. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:951108006] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>True, I think I was mixing it up with people saying Harris can overrule them. It seems like in the past Republicans did this via the Majority Leader and Secretary of the Senate. But this is splitting hairs - Democrats have avenues to fight it, Biden and Harris have avenues to pressure the party to do so.</quote>Yeah. There's basically two avenues that could be explored if they wanted to keep up the minimum wage fight on this COVID relief bill. They can have Harris overrule the parliamentarian. I don't think it's been done in close to 50 years but she absolutely has the authority. Or Schumer could fire the parliamentarian and hire a new one. Ironically, the precedent on this is both more recent and fitting. As I've alluded to before, the GOP fired the parliamentarian in 2001 when they disliked the rulings in the last 50-50 Senate. That said, either option is tantamount to repealing the filibuster so really they should just do that instead. Though given Manchin and Sinema they'd need to attach it to something the two of them want, so if not this then maybe infrastructure or something since Manchin at least has made it very clear he wouldn't pass a standalone $15 minimum wage bill. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/26/21 12:55:21 PM #140:	The $15 minimum wage could theoretically just be packaged in a later, less urgent bill targeted for reconciliation correct? Or is this the cleanest shot they have? Im not 100% sure which designation of the three bills this fits best under. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:951108231] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>The $15 minimum wage could theoretically just be packaged in a later, less urgent bill targeted for reconciliation correct? Or is this the cleanest shot they have? Im not 100% sure which designation of the three bills this fits best under. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 02/26/21 12:57:35 PM #141:	Suprak the Stud posted... The $15 minimum wage could theoretically just be packaged in a later, less urgent bill targeted for reconciliation correct? Or is this the cleanest shot they have? Im not 100% sure which designation of the three bills this fits best under. At this point I just can't fathom them still fucking around with this stimulus package I mean "Rescue Fund" for any longer. Like they have to know this will just unnecessarily stall things. Put it through already. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:951108345] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>The $15 minimum wage could theoretically just be packaged in a later, less urgent bill targeted for reconciliation correct? Or is this the cleanest shot they have? Im not 100% sure which designation of the three bills this fits best under.</quote>At this point I just can't fathom them still fucking around with this stimulus package I mean "Rescue Fund" for any longer. Like they have to know this will just unnecessarily stall things. Put it through already. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 02/26/21 12:57:43 PM #142:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1365321957739233282?s=19 No hopes for this but interesting. Thanks Bernie. The good news is that this approach would almost certainly be allowed through reconciliation. It's idiotic that we have to do it in such a roundabout way, this leaves a lot more potential loopholes for employers to use, and there's still the chance that Manchin/Sinema won't let it pass anyway. But it's better than nothing, and it's probably the best the Dems can do without changing the filibuster. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:951108351] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1365321957739233282?s=19 No hopes for this but interesting. Thanks Bernie. </quote> The good news is that this approach would almost certainly be allowed through reconciliation. It's idiotic that we have to do it in such a roundabout way, this leaves a lot more potential loopholes for employers to use, and there's still the chance that Manchin/Sinema won't let it pass anyway. But it's better than nothing, and it's probably the best the Dems can do without changing the filibuster.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/26/21 1:04:05 PM #143:	https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1365341696029044741?s=21 Honestly the one-two punch of reopening the exact same children-in-cages detainment facility they did photo ops at and bombing Iranians in Syria is just incredible for how indefensible it is. Add-in no checks, no $15 minimum wage, the outright rejection of wiping away all student debt, etc, and Jesus Christ its an Awful Governance Done Quick speed run. Someone tell me Im wrong. Im not saying Trump would be better, Im asking why you were so convinced this is the best we could get, and how exactly do you think they hold control like this??? If the Dem base just lets this go by and doesnt start shouting as loud as the left, were gonna backslide to worse than Trump in no time --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:951108627] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1365341696029044741?s=21 Honestly the one-two punch of reopening the exact same children-in-cages detainment facility they did photo ops at and bombing Iranians in Syria is just incredible for how indefensible it is. Add-in no checks, no $15 minimum wage, the outright rejection of wiping away all student debt, etc, and Jesus Christ its an Awful Governance Done Quick speed run. Someone tell me Im wrong. Im not saying Trump would be better, Im asking why you were so convinced this is the best we could get, and how exactly do you think they hold control like this??? If the Dem base just lets this go by and doesnt start shouting as loud as the left, were gonna backslide to worse than Trump in no time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/26/21 1:06:51 PM #144:	It is impossible to be worse than Trump from a Democrat. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:951108760] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>It is impossible to be worse than Trump from a Democrat. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 02/26/21 1:09:03 PM #145:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Im asking why you were so convinced this is the best we could get the other option was trump so as for holding control, I've seen multiple theories that Democrats prefer being OUT of control so they can (pretend to) fight the man, and I'm starting to believe it. --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:951108861] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Im asking why you were so convinced this is the best we could get</quote> the other option was trump so as for holding control, I've seen multiple theories that Democrats prefer being OUT of control so they can (pretend to) fight the man, and I'm starting to believe it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/26/21 1:10:15 PM #146:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1365341696029044741?s=21 Honestly the one-two punch of reopening the exact same children-in-cages detainment facility they did photo ops at and bombing Iranians in Syria is just incredible for how indefensible it is. Add-in no checks, no $15 minimum wage, the outright rejection of wiping away all student debt, etc, and Jesus Christ its an Awful Governance Done Quick speed run. Someone tell me Im wrong. Im not saying Trump would be better, Im asking why you were so convinced this is the best we could get, and how exactly do you think they hold control like this??? If the Dem base just lets this go by and doesnt start shouting as loud as the left, were gonna backslide to worse than Trump in no time No one else would have beat Trump. You need to come to terms with that. The things you are listing are the reason that Biden could beat Trump. Because Biden was moderate enough to take some of Trump's votes from him. Anyone else loses Georgia and Pennsylvania and Michigan. And that's all she wrote on the election. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:951108919] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/kylekulinski/status/1365341696029044741?s=21 Honestly the one-two punch of reopening the exact same children-in-cages detainment facility they did photo ops at and bombing Iranians in Syria is just incredible for how indefensible it is. Add-in no checks, no $15 minimum wage, the outright rejection of wiping away all student debt, etc, and Jesus Christ its an Awful Governance Done Quick speed run. Someone tell me Im wrong. Im not saying Trump would be better, Im asking why you were so convinced this is the best we could get, and how exactly do you think they hold control like this??? If the Dem base just lets this go by and doesnt start shouting as loud as the left, were gonna backslide to worse than Trump in no time</quote>No one else would have beat Trump. You need to come to terms with that. The things you are listing are the reason that Biden could beat Trump. Because Biden was moderate enough to take some of Trump's votes from him. Anyone else loses Georgia and Pennsylvania and Michigan. And that's all she wrote on the election. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 02/26/21 1:12:26 PM #147:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... If the Dem base just lets this go by and doesnt start shouting as loud as the left, were gonna backslide to worse than Trump in no time You mean in the sense that the Democrats are going to get thrown out of power, right? Because I don't think the Biden administration is going to become a Trump-level disaster. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:951109030] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>If the Dem base just lets this go by and doesnt start shouting as loud as the left, were gonna backslide to worse than Trump in no time </quote> You mean in the sense that the Democrats are going to get thrown out of power, right? Because I don't think the Biden administration is going to become a Trump-level disaster.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/26/21 1:20:33 PM #148:	Xeybozn posted... You mean in the sense that the Democrats are going to get thrown out of power, right? Because I don't think the Biden administration is going to become a Trump-level disaster. Yes 100% this. I dont think Biden is even close to Trump awful, he seems to be trying hard to not actually be good (or likely, he just doesnt care). Also Biden was the only guy who could beat Trump is bogus, we KNOW this based on turnout. You think love for Joe Biden brought out 80 million voters or was it the Trump anti vote? We know the answer, its literally the basis for his support! Support which was entirely based on circular reasoning. Who is the candidate best to beat Trump? Joe. Why? Because hes electable. Why is he electable? Because he can beat Trump. Am i guaranteeing anyone else could beat Trump? No, but I think most Dems could, and theyd have done it easily. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:951109423] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Xeybozn posted... </cite> <quote>You mean in the sense that the Democrats are going to get thrown out of power, right? Because I don't think the Biden administration is going to become a Trump-level disaster.</quote> Yes 100% this. I dont think Biden is even close to Trump awful, he seems to be trying hard to not actually be good (or likely, he just doesnt care). Also Biden was the only guy who could beat Trump is bogus, we KNOW this based on turnout. You think love for Joe Biden brought out 80 million voters or was it the Trump anti vote? We know the answer, its literally the basis for his support! Support which was entirely based on circular reasoning. Who is the candidate best to beat Trump? Joe. Why? Because hes electable. Why is he electable? Because he can beat Trump. Am i guaranteeing anyone else could beat Trump? No, but I think most Dems could, and theyd have done it easily. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 02/26/21 1:24:42 PM #149:	Biden beat Trump by 40,000 votes where it actually mattered. To equal or better that, another Democratic candidate would need to A. match Biden's name recognition, which the vast majority of the field did not do, and B. neither depress Democratic turnout, nor boost Republican turnout. This country sucks and again, is highly conservative, and I just don't have faith in anyone but Biden to thread the needle of peeling off enough conservative voters that would otherwise just vote for four more years of Trump. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:951109627] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>Biden beat Trump by 40,000 votes where it actually mattered. To equal or better that, another Democratic candidate would need to A. match Biden's name recognition, which the vast majority of the field did not do, and B. neither depress Democratic turnout, nor boost Republican turnout. This country sucks and again, is highly conservative, and I just don't have faith in anyone but Biden to thread the needle of peeling off enough conservative voters that would otherwise just vote for four more years of Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/26/21 1:40:57 PM #150:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Also Biden was the only guy who could beat Trump is bogus, we KNOW this based on turnout. You are talking out of your ass. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:951110361] in Politics C... [t:79315960]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Also Biden was the only guy who could beat Trump is bogus, we KNOW this based on turnout.</quote>You are talking out of your ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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