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Suprak the Stud 04/02/21 12:46:09 PM #152:	I should finally have an update tonight or tomorrow! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952389270] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>I should finally have an update tonight or tomorrow! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/07/21 2:36:22 AM #153:	#9: Case 2-3 Strengths: I think Mikans voice actress actually does a great job at the end of the case, the set-up to the murder itself is pretty fun, I like the location of island three Weaknesses: The motive is impossibly dumb before you get to chapter six of the game, Hiyokos murder is messy as hell and poorly explained, certain clues make it too obvious whodunnit The One Sentence Summary: The case where the real victim is your suspension of disbelief I am decidedly more positive about this case than I was immediately after finishing it, and that is because the ending actually explains a lot of the stuff I hated. But if I was going to rank this case right after I finished it, it mightve been dead last. I mentioned before but after finishing 2-2- I was like well that sucked but at least 2-3 is coming up and then I finished 2-3 and I was like uh oh. These two cases back to back, without having the full context for what was going on, was like a giant alarm bell going off. I had heard that Danganronpa 2 was great from like half a dozen of my friends, and here I was halfway through it and the last two cases I played were absolutely horrendous. I was loving the cast and was still enjoying the premise of the game enough, but I had to admit to myself that I was legitimately disappointed. This was a game I had been saving for years and meaning to get back to, and all of a sudden I was finding out that it wasnt what I was promised. 2-3 isnt going to rank very high for me because it accomplished Junkos goal of filling me with DEPSAIR, but only because of all the problems I had with what was going on. There are a lot of things I dont like about this case, but I think what I dont like the most is how messy the whole sequence of events is. I gave this as my hint and people immediately figured it out so obviously this wasnt a complaint that just I had, but the evidence here is kind of all over the place. Is there any other case in either game where no one cared what the murder weapon was? We know Mikan slits Hiyokos throat and I can sort of logic out things that mightve happened to the murder weapon (Mikan used some sort of medical equipment and then just washed it off would be my go to if I was writing this) but it is bizarre that at no point during the entire case does any one go what was the murder weapon when that is such a huge sticking point in so many of the other cases. It sort of feels like the writers didnt care enough to write it in, and instead focus on a bunch of other pointless stuff rather than what feels like a pretty major piece of evidence. Im alsowell, a bit confused about the proposed timeline for Mikans movement after Hajime leaves her for the hospital. Part of it is that it has now been a little while since I played the game, but I was also confused at the time about how the hell Mikan got around without being seen in between everything else. Hajime leaves the hospital, goes to find Ibukis body. He runs from there, and Mikan sneaks in behind him to pull down the tarp and seals the door. Then she sprints back to the hospital and manages to make it there just in time before Fuyuhiko comes back to see her. I dont think the game ever covers the movements here exactly, but I feel like this is an insanely dangerous part of Mikans plan. She had to be running almost at the same time as Hajime right? And it isnt like these roads were densely populated or she had places to hide. Im surprised Hajime didnt turn around at some point and see Mikan like 100 yards behind him ducking behind a bush. Then running back she is basically just lucky Fuyuhiko didnt show up and see her sprinting back from the music venue. MIkans excuse for being outside is that she is looking for Ibuki, but I think if Fuyuhiko was just waiting around outside and saw Mikan running back towards from where the murder happened he would have some questions. And Im also like 95% sure Fuyuhiko had routinely been showing up early prior to the day of the murder, so unless she was sneaking out some back window or something, on most days she wouldve run into him in the lobby while she was leaving the hospital. I dont need a detailed step by step movement of Mikan, but I feel like a lot of stuff in this case is just sort of handwaved away like the game doesnt want to talk about it because it complicates the actual murders. I know Mikan was also straight up insane thanks to the memory juice Monokuma inject her with, but her plan is also incredibly dumb just from a logic perspective. Assume for a second her plan goes off without a hitch. The prime suspect is going to be Mikan. Everyone knew that Ibuki was under some sort of spell where she would do whatever you told her to do, and Mikan was the only person that had continuous access to her. The whole camera set up she did to trick people into thinking the event was happening live was pointless. Go kill yourself isnt something you need to be in the same room at the same time to be carried out. There was a person who could be told to kill themselves, and a single person with access to this person. How was Mikan not the immediate suspect for everyone regardless of the rest of the stuff that happened? The very best she can hope for is the excuse that she was negligent and not there when someone had access to her, but that still throws suspicion on her because it requires everyone to ignore the fact she left her post and fell asleep in Hajimes bed. And, again, there is no time frame for when you tell someone to kill themselves, so this is the one case that is un-alibi-able. She wasted all this effort creating an alibi (which is what ultimately gets her caught) and it was pointless to try and establish one in the first place. She got lucky Hiyoko wandered into there because her presence is the only thing that complicates the case at all. It makes the case more interesting this way and I understand that, but at the same time Mikan basically kills the person only she has access to and it isnt really brought up. And it isnt just these sort of logical leaps that bother me to, as I have issues with a lot of the fundamentals about this chapter. This case is also a great example of the game occasionally not knowing how to work evidence into the case in a good way. The fact that Mikan stages it is interesting. The way the game goes about showing this to us is having us visit the conference room in the hospital apropos of nothing, have Chiaki comment about how interesting it is when it is dark in here and how this probably relates to the case maybe and oh hey haha dont mind me just going to have a ten minute scene here in a location that is clearly super important tee hee. It is such a bad way to introduce evidence because anyone thinking at all knows that this location is important and then anyone would be able to deduce that only Mikan had access to it. It is an obvious, awkward clue that points at one person and one person alone, and it takes away the interest that was building in the case up to that point. Like I had a theory that, storywise, it wouldve made since for Fuyuhiko to do it and all these interesting things about him going to the hospital to set things up and etc etc etc. But as soon as I got to the scene with Chiaki in the conference room, I was like oh I guess Mikan did it. They needed a much more clever way to go about introducing this sort of stuff. I dont know exactly what that would be, but I am positive that this way was not the way to do it. It feels like this is one of the few cases in either game where there are absolutely no red herrings, and that on top of the big ol fat obvious anvil of the conference room being important being dropped on your head kind of takes away the fun of the mystery. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952555461] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>#9: Case 2-3 Strengths: I think Mikans voice actress actually does a great job at the end of the case, the set-up to the murder itself is pretty fun, I like the location of island three Weaknesses: The motive is impossibly dumb before you get to chapter six of the game, Hiyokos murder is messy as hell and poorly explained, certain clues make it too obvious whodunnit The One Sentence Summary: The case where the real victim is your suspension of disbelief I am decidedly more positive about this case than I was immediately after finishing it, and that is because the ending actually explains a lot of the stuff I hated. But if I was going to rank this case right after I finished it, it mightve been dead last. I mentioned before but after finishing 2-2- I was like well that sucked but at least 2-3 is coming up and then I finished 2-3 and I was like uh oh. These two cases back to back, without having the full context for what was going on, was like a giant alarm bell going off. I had heard that Danganronpa 2 was great from like half a dozen of my friends, and here I was halfway through it and the last two cases I played were absolutely horrendous. I was loving the cast and was still enjoying the premise of the game enough, but I had to admit to myself that I was legitimately disappointed. This was a game I had been saving for years and meaning to get back to, and all of a sudden I was finding out that it wasnt what I was promised. 2-3 isnt going to rank very high for me because it accomplished Junkos goal of filling me with DEPSAIR, but only because of all the problems I had with what was going on. There are a lot of things I dont like about this case, but I think what I dont like the most is how messy the whole sequence of events is. I gave this as my hint and people immediately figured it out so obviously this wasnt a complaint that just I had, but the evidence here is kind of all over the place. Is there any other case in either game where no one cared what the murder weapon was? We know Mikan slits Hiyokos throat and I can sort of logic out things that mightve happened to the murder weapon (Mikan used some sort of medical equipment and then just washed it off would be my go to if I was writing this) but it is bizarre that at no point during the entire case does any one go what was the murder weapon when that is such a huge sticking point in so many of the other cases. It sort of feels like the writers didnt care enough to write it in, and instead focus on a bunch of other pointless stuff rather than what feels like a pretty major piece of evidence. Im alsowell, a bit confused about the proposed timeline for Mikans movement after Hajime leaves her for the hospital. Part of it is that it has now been a little while since I played the game, but I was also confused at the time about how the hell Mikan got around without being seen in between everything else. Hajime leaves the hospital, goes to find Ibukis body. He runs from there, and Mikan sneaks in behind him to pull down the tarp and seals the door. Then she sprints back to the hospital and manages to make it there just in time before Fuyuhiko comes back to see her. I dont think the game ever covers the movements here exactly, but I feel like this is an insanely dangerous part of Mikans plan. She had to be running almost at the same time as Hajime right? And it isnt like these roads were densely populated or she had places to hide. Im surprised Hajime didnt turn around at some point and see Mikan like 100 yards behind him ducking behind a bush. Then running back she is basically just lucky Fuyuhiko didnt show up and see her sprinting back from the music venue. MIkans excuse for being outside is that she is looking for Ibuki, but I think if Fuyuhiko was just waiting around outside and saw Mikan running back towards from where the murder happened he would have some questions. And Im also like 95% sure Fuyuhiko had routinely been showing up early prior to the day of the murder, so unless she was sneaking out some back window or something, on most days she wouldve run into him in the lobby while she was leaving the hospital. I dont need a detailed step by step movement of Mikan, but I feel like a lot of stuff in this case is just sort of handwaved away like the game doesnt want to talk about it because it complicates the actual murders. I know Mikan was also straight up insane thanks to the memory juice Monokuma inject her with, but her plan is also incredibly dumb just from a logic perspective. Assume for a second her plan goes off without a hitch. The prime suspect is going to be Mikan. Everyone knew that Ibuki was under some sort of spell where she would do whatever you told her to do, and Mikan was the only person that had continuous access to her. The whole camera set up she did to trick people into thinking the event was happening live was pointless. Go kill yourself isnt something you need to be in the same room at the same time to be carried out. There was a person who could be told to kill themselves, and a single person with access to this person. How was Mikan not the immediate suspect for everyone regardless of the rest of the stuff that happened? The very best she can hope for is the excuse that she was negligent and not there when someone had access to her, but that still throws suspicion on her because it requires everyone to ignore the fact she left her post and fell asleep in Hajimes bed. And, again, there is no time frame for when you tell someone to kill themselves, so this is the one case that is un-alibi-able. She wasted all this effort creating an alibi (which is what ultimately gets her caught) and it was pointless to try and establish one in the first place. She got lucky Hiyoko wandered into there because her presence is the only thing that complicates the case at all. It makes the case more interesting this way and I understand that, but at the same time Mikan basically kills the person only she has access to and it isnt really brought up. And it isnt just these sort of logical leaps that bother me to, as I have issues with a lot of the fundamentals about this chapter. This case is also a great example of the game occasionally not knowing how to work evidence into the case in a good way. The fact that Mikan stages it is interesting. The way the game goes about showing this to us is having us visit the conference room in the hospital apropos of nothing, have Chiaki comment about how interesting it is when it is dark in here and how this probably relates to the case maybe and oh hey haha dont mind me just going to have a ten minute scene here in a location that is clearly super important tee hee. It is such a bad way to introduce evidence because anyone thinking at all knows that this location is important and then anyone would be able to deduce that only Mikan had access to it. It is an obvious, awkward clue that points at one person and one person alone, and it takes away the interest that was building in the case up to that point. Like I had a theory that, storywise, it wouldve made since for Fuyuhiko to do it and all these interesting things about him going to the hospital to set things up and etc etc etc. But as soon as I got to the scene with Chiaki in the conference room, I was like oh I guess Mikan did it. They needed a much more clever way to go about introducing this sort of stuff. I dont know exactly what that would be, but I am positive that this way was not the way to do it. It feels like this is one of the few cases in either game where there are absolutely no red herrings, and that on top of the big ol fat obvious anvil of the conference room being important being dropped on your head kind of takes away the fun of the mystery. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/07/21 2:40:38 AM #154:	All of this isnt even mentioning what I hated about the game from the start, and that was the absolutely nonsensical motivation of the despair virus. I mean, sure, by the end you sort of know what was going on and this sort of thing is a lot more forgivable with that context. But, at the time, did ANYONE enjoy the despair virus? It is basically Monokuma choosing both the murderer and the victim, and I feel like I utterly muttered this is bullshit more times during this case than I did at any time over the last year combined. I mean, just from a what makes Danganronpa interesting perspective, it was always that sort of anyone can kill anyone tension underneath the surface. And then, in this case, it was well one person could kill one other person and also the reason for doing so was asinine. The despair virus might make more sense with the context of the ending, but it sure as hell didnt make sense at the time. A magical virus that could do anything it wanted to anybody is long past where Im willing to suspend my disbelief, and I was onboard with the magical bear sending an old man into space from the get go of the first game. I like that Danganronpa has this unique flair and I dont even mind that it is silly and asks you to suspend your disbelief for a lot of little things. But this was too much. This wasnt as much suspending your disbelief as it was asking you to lock it in a submarine driven by unicorns and burying it at the bottom of an ocean of spaghetti. It is less egregious now, but that didnt make it any more fun to deal with at the time. So that was a lot of ranting and raving about stuff I hated, but I don't actually totally hate this case. There's a lot of fun touches here if you can get away from the dumpster fire of stuff I mentioned. I know Mikan is a character that seems to get a lot of hatred around here, but I actually like her turn at the end. Her voice actress was fantastic, and this is yet another example of how much better the voice acting is in this game than in the last one. Like she went from ditzy klutz to hysterical lunatic to unfeeling psychopath sometimes in back to back to back lines, and all of it was really well acted. It was a nice to get a live peak at an Ultimate Despair too, once you figured out what the hell was going on. You get little glimpses at the end and the brief scene with Nagito and Hajime in the ship, but this sort of insanity was nice to see. You can say people were grafting body parts on to them and humping corpses, but actually hearing Mikan talk for a while is a nice compliment to just telling us about all the gross stuff theyve done. I wouldnt have minded Mikan as a villain at all if it wasnt for the stupidity of the whole despair virus surrounding it, and it was a good enough finale for a case I hated. Well, except for the execution I suppose. I teased before that there was only one other execution that was even close to 1-3 in terms of how much I disliked it, and this is it. I at least like the homage to the iconic scene in Dr. Strangelove, and the play on strange and love is at least moderately clever. The scene itself though is kinda a let down, especially with how great 1-2 was in comparison. Her flying off on a giant arm works as an homage to Dr. Strangelove, but it is like they just stopped there and didnt try to think of anything else clever. Mikan riding off into the sunset with a horny look of her face is basically all we get here and this is probably the execution that has the least going on. It is the same thing from start to finish without any fun or interesting twists along the way. Of all the cases I dont like, this is the one with the most interesting trial, too. While the evidence tying Mikan to the conference room was extremely heavy handed, I actually didnt mind the rest. Figuring out the locked room and how she created two of herself was actually pretty clever, even if I thought the reason for having two was stupid as hell. The trial was at least interesting to follow a long with and I hadnt pieced everything together beforehand, just who was the actual culprit. I mean, there was a lot of little story stuff I liked in this chapter. Ibukis concert and Hiyoko/Fuyuhikos growth and Hiyokos little shrine at the start and all the reactions to it. Theres a lot of really good stuff here surrounding some stuff I really, really dont like. I feel like this would be the kind of case Id be much more charitable to on a replay, because if you take out the despair virus and some dumb stuff about the crime itself, this is actually a pretty solid chapter. Unfortunately, thats a lot like saying if you take the needles and Ebola virus off of this pizza, it is actually a pretty good pizza and the bad stuff is so bad I cant really take this case out of the lowest tier. It is at least approaching entertaining though unlike all the other cases Ive ranked. Before I close up I want to go on one unhinged conspiracy theory rant here. I have no clue what the official word on this is, but it almost feels like Hiyoko dying was some sort of weird last minute addition to the case. I dont think it makes the most sense for her characterwise, and also the game pretty much focuses entirely on Ibukis murder where Hiyoko is almost purely an after thought. Like I said before we dont get what the murder weapon is or even a murder location. Like I think I vaguely remember a wiped away blood stain on the stage of the music venue. Is that really where were supposed to assume the murder took place? How would that even be possible? Did Mikan chase down Hiyoko, drag her all the way back to the stage and then slit her throat and then immediately cover it with something so the blood stain wasnt too huge? Did Hiyoko wander up to the stage of her own free will even though Mikan was in the process of murdering someone else? I dont have a really good understanding of the time line here, and thats because the game doesnt really care enough to explain it to us. My crazy pet theory based on absolutely nothing other than my own conjecture is that Hiyoko originally doesnt die here. The development team either kills someone else or has one body, but then after playtesting or something, they decide to switch it up and just sort of ham-fistedly shove Hiyokos death in chapter 3. Whatever forgiveness she was cooking up with Fuyuhiko gets cut short and the game barely talks about the events of her murder because theyre just trying to work it into the context of a preexisting case as easily as they can. Again, I have no evidence to support this but I BELIEVE IT IN MY BONES. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952555531] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>All of this isnt even mentioning what I hated about the game from the start, and that was the absolutely nonsensical motivation of the despair virus. I mean, sure, by the end you sort of know what was going on and this sort of thing is a lot more forgivable with that context. But, at the time, did ANYONE enjoy the despair virus? It is basically Monokuma choosing both the murderer and the victim, and I feel like I utterly muttered this is bullshit more times during this case than I did at any time over the last year combined. I mean, just from a what makes Danganronpa interesting perspective, it was always that sort of anyone can kill anyone tension underneath the surface. And then, in this case, it was well one person could kill one other person and also the reason for doing so was asinine. The despair virus might make more sense with the context of the ending, but it sure as hell didnt make sense at the time. A magical virus that could do anything it wanted to anybody is long past where Im willing to suspend my disbelief, and I was onboard with the magical bear sending an old man into space from the get go of the first game. I like that Danganronpa has this unique flair and I dont even mind that it is silly and asks you to suspend your disbelief for a lot of little things. But this was too much. This wasnt as much suspending your disbelief as it was asking you to lock it in a submarine driven by unicorns and burying it at the bottom of an ocean of spaghetti. It is less egregious now, but that didnt make it any more fun to deal with at the time. So that was a lot of ranting and raving about stuff I hated, but I don't actually totally hate this case. There's a lot of fun touches here if you can get away from the dumpster fire of stuff I mentioned. I know Mikan is a character that seems to get a lot of hatred around here, but I actually like her turn at the end. Her voice actress was fantastic, and this is yet another example of how much better the voice acting is in this game than in the last one. Like she went from ditzy klutz to hysterical lunatic to unfeeling psychopath sometimes in back to back to back lines, and all of it was really well acted. It was a nice to get a live peak at an Ultimate Despair too, once you figured out what the hell was going on. You get little glimpses at the end and the brief scene with Nagito and Hajime in the ship, but this sort of insanity was nice to see. You can say people were grafting body parts on to them and humping corpses, but actually hearing Mikan talk for a while is a nice compliment to just telling us about all the gross stuff theyve done. I wouldnt have minded Mikan as a villain at all if it wasnt for the stupidity of the whole despair virus surrounding it, and it was a good enough finale for a case I hated. Well, except for the execution I suppose. I teased before that there was only one other execution that was even close to 1-3 in terms of how much I disliked it, and this is it. I at least like the homage to the iconic scene in Dr. Strangelove, and the play on strange and love is at least moderately clever. The scene itself though is kinda a let down, especially with how great 1-2 was in comparison. Her flying off on a giant arm works as an homage to Dr. Strangelove, but it is like they just stopped there and didnt try to think of anything else clever. Mikan riding off into the sunset with a horny look of her face is basically all we get here and this is probably the execution that has the least going on. It is the same thing from start to finish without any fun or interesting twists along the way. Of all the cases I dont like, this is the one with the most interesting trial, too. While the evidence tying Mikan to the conference room was extremely heavy handed, I actually didnt mind the rest. Figuring out the locked room and how she created two of herself was actually pretty clever, even if I thought the reason for having two was stupid as hell. The trial was at least interesting to follow a long with and I hadnt pieced everything together beforehand, just who was the actual culprit. I mean, there was a lot of little story stuff I liked in this chapter. Ibukis concert and Hiyoko/Fuyuhikos growth and Hiyokos little shrine at the start and all the reactions to it. Theres a lot of really good stuff here surrounding some stuff I really, really dont like. I feel like this would be the kind of case Id be much more charitable to on a replay, because if you take out the despair virus and some dumb stuff about the crime itself, this is actually a pretty solid chapter. Unfortunately, thats a lot like saying if you take the needles and Ebola virus off of this pizza, it is actually a pretty good pizza and the bad stuff is so bad I cant really take this case out of the lowest tier. It is at least approaching entertaining though unlike all the other cases Ive ranked. Before I close up I want to go on one unhinged conspiracy theory rant here. I have no clue what the official word on this is, but it almost feels like Hiyoko dying was some sort of weird last minute addition to the case. I dont think it makes the most sense for her characterwise, and also the game pretty much focuses entirely on Ibukis murder where Hiyoko is almost purely an after thought. Like I said before we dont get what the murder weapon is or even a murder location. Like I think I vaguely remember a wiped away blood stain on the stage of the music venue. Is that really where were supposed to assume the murder took place? How would that even be possible? Did Mikan chase down Hiyoko, drag her all the way back to the stage and then slit her throat and then immediately cover it with something so the blood stain wasnt too huge? Did Hiyoko wander up to the stage of her own free will even though Mikan was in the process of murdering someone else? I dont have a really good understanding of the time line here, and thats because the game doesnt really care enough to explain it to us. My crazy pet theory based on absolutely nothing other than my own conjecture is that Hiyoko originally doesnt die here. The development team either kills someone else or has one body, but then after playtesting or something, they decide to switch it up and just sort of ham-fistedly shove Hiyokos death in chapter 3. Whatever forgiveness she was cooking up with Fuyuhiko gets cut short and the game barely talks about the events of her murder because theyre just trying to work it into the context of a preexisting case as easily as they can. Again, I have no evidence to support this but I BELIEVE IT IN MY BONES. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/07/21 2:42:01 AM #155:	Up next: the 40th character I decided to include in the rankings, and undoubtedly what will be my shortest write up. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952555551] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Up next: the 40th character I decided to include in the rankings, and undoubtedly what will be my shortest write up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 04/07/21 10:46:01 AM #156:	Suprak the Stud posted... Before I close up I want to go on one unhinged conspiracy theory rant here. I have no clue what the official word on this is, but it almost feels like Hiyoko dying was some sort of weird last minute addition to the case. Apparently, the other victim was supposed to be ~~Fuyuhiko~~. --- You know what they say: all toasters toast toast. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:952563487] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Before I close up I want to go on one unhinged conspiracy theory rant here. I have no clue what the official word on this is, but it almost feels like Hiyoko dying was some sort of weird last minute addition to the case.</quote>Apparently, the other victim was supposed to be Fuyuhiko. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeatoAnAccount 04/07/21 10:53:36 AM #157:	bwburke94 posted... Apparently, the other victim was supposed to be ~~Fuyuhiko~~. Here's a really cool video that explains why this probably would have led to a better story overall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdwVFIyC6w edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case --- Neato, an account <cite>NeatoAnAccount posted [p:952563749] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>bwburke94 posted... </cite> <quote>Apparently, the other victim was supposed to be Fuyuhiko.</quote> Here's a really cool video that explains why this probably would have led to a better story overall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdwVFIyC6w edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 04/07/21 11:20:26 AM #158:	Let it be known that I explained the premise of Danganronpa to my sister, then showed her pictures of its characters, telling her to guess the characters Ultimate talent and whether theyre a victim, murderer, or survivor. The only character she instantly said murderer for was Mikan. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:952564624] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Let it be known that I explained the premise of Danganronpa to my sister, then showed her pictures of its characters, telling her to guess the characters Ultimate talent and whether theyre a victim, murderer, or survivor. The only character she instantly said murderer for was Mikan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 04/07/21 11:28:37 AM #159:	i don't remember this case's fine details much, but i really enjoyed the final legs of the trial with psycho mikan and nagito putting his detective skills to use. overall a highlight of the game is how other characters figure things out but don't purely make you state them, and watching it come together here was really satisfying. --- yet all azuarc of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:952564878] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>i don't remember this case's fine details much, but i really enjoyed the final legs of the trial with psycho mikan and nagito putting his detective skills to use. overall a highlight of the game is how other characters figure things out but don't purely make you state them, and watching it come together here was really satisfying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/07/21 11:31:44 AM #160:	Honestly, I did my whole "How I would correct DR1" and "How I would correct DR3" posts a while back, but it's just so much more difficult to fix the nonsense of DR2. 2-2, 2-3 and 2-4 are just...yikes. 2-5 HAS to go down the exact way it goes down. And 2-6 is also yikes. There's a reason it's my least favorite of the trilogy. That clusterfuck status is rough to overcome. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:952564983] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I did my whole "How I would correct DR1" and "How I would correct DR3" posts a while back, but it's just so much more difficult to fix the nonsense of DR2. 2-2, 2-3 and 2-4 are just...yikes. 2-5 HAS to go down the exact way it goes down. And 2-6 is also yikes. There's a reason it's my least favorite of the trilogy. That clusterfuck status is rough to overcome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/07/21 2:11:21 PM #161:	NeatoAnAccount posted... bwburke94 posted... Apparently, the other victim was supposed to be ~~Fuyuhiko~~. Here's a really cool video that explains why this probably would have led to a better story overall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdwVFIyC6w edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case edit edit: after rereading your thing i agree that there are a couple of actively good things about the case, like the locked-room mystery like you said If the goal is to make the survivors worse, why don't we also make Sonia the killer so Mikan makes it to the end instead? --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:952570632] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>NeatoAnAccount posted...</cite> <quote> bwburke94 posted... </cite> <quote> Apparently, the other victim was supposed to be Fuyuhiko. </quote> Here's a really cool video that explains why this probably would have led to a better story overall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdwVFIyC6w edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case edit edit: after rereading your thing i agree that there are a couple of actively good things about the case, like the locked-room mystery like you said</quote> If the goal is to make the survivors worse, why don't we also make Sonia the killer so Mikan makes it to the end instead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeatoAnAccount 04/07/21 2:23:42 PM #162:	someone didn't watch the video and made a shitty little comment without thinking for 3 seconds about hiyoko becoming a better character after getting development --- Neato, an account <cite>NeatoAnAccount posted [p:952571111] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>someone didn't watch the video and made a shitty little comment without thinking for 3 seconds about hiyoko becoming a better character after getting development </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/07/21 2:34:07 PM #163:	She had her chance to develop after Mahiru's death, and she wasted it. Even if you change it so she does, it'd just be a worse version of Fuyuhiko's development anyway. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:952571461] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>She had her chance to develop after Mahiru's death, and she wasted it. Even if you change it so she does, it'd just be a worse version of Fuyuhiko's development anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 04/07/21 2:36:46 PM #164:	Mewtwo59 posted... She had her chance to develop after Mahiru's death, and she wasted it. Even if you change it so she does, it'd just be a worse version of Fuyuhiko's development anyway. Yeah. Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko were both awful jackasses in chapters 1 & 2, but the circumstances behind Fuyuhiko at least justify his attitude (which make his subsequent faceturn that much more impactful). Hiyoko is just an obnoxious brat, and suddenly we're supposed to feel bad for her because her friend is dead (which, get in line when it comes to interpersonal dynamics in DR2), and there's never a point where she's like "maybe I'm being shitty and that's why I only had the one real friend". It's just "I MADE A MEMORIAL FOR MAHIRU AND I'M GONNA CRY BECAUSE YOU ALL THINK IT'S WEIRD" and "I WANT TO HAVE A PUNK ROCK CONCERT IN MEMORY OF MAHIRU!" --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:952571552] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Mewtwo59 posted... </cite> <quote>She had her chance to develop after Mahiru's death, and she wasted it. Even if you change it so she does, it'd just be a worse version of Fuyuhiko's development anyway.</quote> Yeah. Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko were both awful jackasses in chapters 1 & 2, but the circumstances behind Fuyuhiko at least justify his attitude (which make his subsequent faceturn that much more impactful). Hiyoko is just an obnoxious brat, and suddenly we're supposed to feel bad for her because her friend is dead (which, get in line when it comes to interpersonal dynamics in DR2), and there's never a point where she's like "maybe I'm being shitty and that's why I only had the one real friend". It's just "I MADE A MEMORIAL FOR MAHIRU AND I'M GONNA CRY BECAUSE YOU ALL THINK IT'S WEIRD" and "I WANT TO HAVE A PUNK ROCK CONCERT IN MEMORY OF MAHIRU!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/14/21 10:43:39 PM #165:	NeatoAnAccount posted... Here's a really cool video that explains why this probably would have led to a better story overall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdwVFIyC6w edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case edit edit: after rereading your thing i agree that there are a couple of actively good things about the case, like the locked-room mystery like you said This is super interesting and not at all who I guessed would be the character that got swapped. I definitely disagree with who should've been swapped for Hiyoko, but that was interesting to watch through regardless. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952844613] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>NeatoAnAccount posted... </cite> <quote>Here's a really cool video that explains why this probably would have led to a better story overall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqdwVFIyC6w edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case edit edit: after rereading your thing i agree that there are a couple of actively good things about the case, like the locked-room mystery like you said</quote> This is super interesting and not at all who I guessed would be the character that got swapped. I definitely disagree with who should've been swapped for Hiyoko, but that was interesting to watch through regardless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/14/21 10:45:53 PM #166:	I also don't really like Fuyuhiko as a victim there either. He would've been a lot more fun as a killer imo. Him dying one chapter after Peko, in a random side attack, does feel pretty weird too. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952844683] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>I also don't really like Fuyuhiko as a victim there either. He would've been a lot more fun as a killer imo. Him dying one chapter after Peko, in a random side attack, does feel pretty weird too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/14/21 11:15:42 PM #167:	There weren't too many expendable characters left at that point. Hajime/Chiaki/Nagito all had roles to play later, Akane dying there has the same issue as Fuyuhiko, Nekomaru wasn't even around, Mikan was already chosen as the killer, and they probably had Gundham's character arc planned out at that point too. Which leaves Kazuichi and Sonia, and they probably kept Kazuichi around to fix stuff, so it was either Sonia or Hiyoko. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:952845524] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>There weren't too many expendable characters left at that point. Hajime/Chiaki/Nagito all had roles to play later, Akane dying there has the same issue as Fuyuhiko, Nekomaru wasn't even around, Mikan was already chosen as the killer, and they probably had Gundham's character arc planned out at that point too. Which leaves Kazuichi and Sonia, and they probably kept Kazuichi around to fix stuff, so it was either Sonia or Hiyoko. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeatoAnAccount 04/14/21 11:19:56 PM #168:	Inviso posted... Yeah. Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko were both awful jackasses in chapters 1 & 2, but the circumstances behind Fuyuhiko at least justify his attitude (which make his subsequent faceturn that much more impactful). Hiyoko is just an obnoxious brat, and suddenly we're supposed to feel bad for her because her friend is dead (which, get in line when it comes to interpersonal dynamics in DR2), and there's never a point where she's like "maybe I'm being shitty and that's why I only had the one real friend". It's just "I MADE A MEMORIAL FOR MAHIRU AND I'M GONNA CRY BECAUSE YOU ALL THINK IT'S WEIRD" and "I WANT TO HAVE A PUNK ROCK CONCERT IN MEMORY OF MAHIRU!" The catalyst wouldn't have been Mahiru's death, it would've been Mikan's. She would've realized the bullying contributed to Mikan committing a double murder and grown from that. You can't learn to be self-sufficient just because your mom figure died. You can learn to stop bullying when confronted with its consequences. --- Neato, an account <cite>NeatoAnAccount posted [p:952845648] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. Fuyuhiko and Hiyoko were both awful jackasses in chapters 1 & 2, but the circumstances behind Fuyuhiko at least justify his attitude (which make his subsequent faceturn that much more impactful). Hiyoko is just an obnoxious brat, and suddenly we're supposed to feel bad for her because her friend is dead (which, get in line when it comes to interpersonal dynamics in DR2), and there's never a point where she's like "maybe I'm being shitty and that's why I only had the one real friend". It's just "I MADE A MEMORIAL FOR MAHIRU AND I'M GONNA CRY BECAUSE YOU ALL THINK IT'S WEIRD" and "I WANT TO HAVE A PUNK ROCK CONCERT IN MEMORY OF MAHIRU!"</quote> The catalyst wouldn't have been Mahiru's death, it would've been Mikan's. She would've realized the bullying contributed to Mikan committing a double murder and grown from that. You can't learn to be self-sufficient just because your mom figure died. You can learn to stop bullying when confronted with its consequences. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 04/14/21 11:34:54 PM #169:	Honestly, the motive for 2-3 was so dumb that I don't think Hiyoko's bullying had anything to do with it. Heck, it wasn't even the reason why Mikan killed Hiyoko. And I think that's a pretty fitting end for Hiyoko, being killed by the person she tormented not because of the bullying, but because she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:952846093] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, the motive for 2-3 was so dumb that I don't think Hiyoko's bullying had anything to do with it. Heck, it wasn't even the reason why Mikan killed Hiyoko. And I think that's a pretty fitting end for Hiyoko, being killed by the person she tormented not because of the bullying, but because she just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/15/21 12:00:50 AM #170:	NeatoAnAccount posted... The catalyst wouldn't have been Mahiru's death, it would've been Mikan's. She would've realized the bullying contributed to Mikan committing a double murder and grown from that. You can't learn to be self-sufficient just because your mom figure died. You can learn to stop bullying when confronted with its consequences. I did really like the idea of Hiyoko being forced to reckon with the consequences of her bullying Mikan for sure. Yeah I know there weren't too many expendable characters, but it honestly felt like (to me) they kept Kazuichi around so he could fix the elevator and nothing else. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:952846716] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>NeatoAnAccount posted... </cite> <quote>The catalyst wouldn't have been Mahiru's death, it would've been Mikan's. She would've realized the bullying contributed to Mikan committing a double murder and grown from that. You can't learn to be self-sufficient just because your mom figure died. You can learn to stop bullying when confronted with its consequences.</quote> I did really like the idea of Hiyoko being forced to reckon with the consequences of her bullying Mikan for sure. Yeah I know there weren't too many expendable characters, but it honestly felt like (to me) they kept Kazuichi around so he could fix the elevator and nothing else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 04/15/21 12:21:29 AM #171:	Honestly, I don't think there actually needed to be another death in 3-2 to keep it interesting. --- Congrats to azuarc for winning the GotD Guru! <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:952847201] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I don't think there actually needed to be another death in 3-2 to keep it interesting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/22/21 4:11:29 AM #172:	Update coming tomorrow! At this rate I should have this done by 2022. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953099572] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Update coming tomorrow! At this rate I should have this done by 2022. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 04/27/21 8:52:51 PM #173:	Suprak vs the guys playing DQ11, who ya got? <cite>Reg posted [p:953302708] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Suprak vs the guys playing DQ11, who ya got? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 04/30/21 3:27:02 AM #174:	Ok for sure tomorrow this time. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953393113] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Ok for sure tomorrow this time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 05/04/21 12:03:46 AM #175:	Bump --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:953529847] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheep007 05/09/21 4:23:30 PM #176:	Bump --- Perhaps the golden rock was inside us all along. <cite>Sheep007 posted [p:953731223] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 05/09/21 4:32:35 PM #177:	sounds like we may need to convene a class trial to figure out the fate of suprak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJlAxq2WcVI --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953731499] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>sounds like we may need to convene a class trial to figure out the fate of suprak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJlAxq2WcVI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Janus5k 05/09/21 5:35:51 PM #178:	before we can read the next writeup will we have to determine that he isn't a ghost --- A hero cannot be defeated simply by making him die. <cite>Janus5k posted [p:953733301] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>before we can read the next writeup will we have to determine that he isn't a ghost </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_SecretSquirrel 05/09/21 6:02:59 PM #179:	NeatoAnAccount posted... edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case Yeah, I really don't get the hyper-fixation people have with the murder weapon here, because the murder had a long time between the killings and the discovery, so why the hell would the murderer leave such a damning clue around? If anything, the fact that the murder weapon would be such a dead end itself points to Mikan circumstantially because she's the only one carrying around sharp instruments like scalpels or medical scissors, that she could then sanitize at the hospital so there would be no evidence. --- Agent Triple Zero at your service! This line reserved for the true greatone, azuarc, winner of Game of the Decade! <cite>_SecretSquirrel posted [p:953734010] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>NeatoAnAccount posted... </cite> <quote>edit: also mikan clearly killed hiyoko with a scalpel, that is the least weird and bad part of the case</quote>Yeah, I really don't get the hyper-fixation people have with the murder weapon here, because the murder had a long time between the killings and the discovery, so why the hell would the murderer leave such a damning clue around? If anything, the fact that the murder weapon would be such a dead end itself points to Mikan circumstantially because she's the only one carrying around sharp instruments like scalpels or medical scissors, that she could then sanitize at the hospital so there would be no evidence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 05/11/21 12:19:30 AM #180:	#27: Daiya Owada Side Character Ranking: 3/8 Ultimate Ability: None Actual Ultimate Ability: Ultimate You Guys Waited A Month And A Half For This? So my last character ranking was 3/24. "Oops". I'm shocked people are still interested in this! Between having a new baby, starting a new job, and moving to a new house I've had...like zero time for side projects. Which is a shame because after this I wanted to do a Demons' Souls level/boss/NPC ranking topic and now who knows if I'll even finish this! Either way, thanks for everyone who has been bumping this and keeping this topic alive. You guys are the true heroes that fill this topic with HOPE while real life obligations have been filling me with HOPE TOO BUT DESPAIR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING AROUND FOR UPDATES. And. Heh. Ahem. What an update to come back to, huh? Daiya Owada a.k.a. wait why the hell is Suprak even wasting his time ranking this guy? See, I wasnt quite sure who all to include in these kind of ranking topics. I knew I wanted to include Monokuma and Monomi despite not being ultimate so I was already expanding a litte. The I thought of Alter Ego, who I consider separate from Chihiro so it probably deserves its own ranking as well. Then I was like, oh, you know what, I have strong feelings on how shitty the headmaster was and I basically have a rant all written up in my head, so lets throw him in. And if I was throwing in shitty characters I wanted to rant about, I needed to throw in [that idiot girl who killed Fuyuhikos sister] because despite the fact I have since forgotten her name, I really hated her and had THOUGHTS. Put her in and I needed to put in Natsumi as well because I mean it would just be weird if I put her murderer in and not her, right? So then I was at 38 and thought lets get to 40 so I threw in Teruterus mom because I remembered her two lines being hilariously awkward and I wondered if her dying maybe sent Teruteru into despair and that was at least interesting to think about. So now I was at 39 and for number 40 I would pick Uh Who else is there? There has to be one more character. Think, Suprak, think! Youd look like and IDIOT if you strolled in here with a 39 character ranking. There has to be someone Im forgetting. Enter Daiya Owada. I had mostly forgotten about Daiya entirely and had to watch a Youtube video just to see if he had any actual lines in his flashback or not. He actually does have a speaking role, which I didnt remember. For those of you that somehow dont remember the tragedy of Daiya Owada the wise (its not a story the Monokuma would tell you), he was essentially Mondo and Mondo was a BIG FAT PHONY. Daiya was the one who built up the biker gang from nothing. Daiya was the leader of the Crazy Diamonds. Daiya was the one who had everyones respect. Daiya was, for all intents and purposes, the Ultimate Biker Gang Leader. We find out that on the day Daiya was to retire, Mondo challenged him to a race in order to try and win some respect from the other members of the gang that were all basically like uh Daiya is awesome but this bullshit is straight up nepotism and that doesnt fly in classy respectable organizations like ours. Only Mondo doesnt win. He fucks up and winds up getting Daiya killed and Daiya is so awesome about the whole thing that hes basically like heh my bad right little bro? and just makes Mondo promise to keep the gang together now that hes dead. Daiya sounds like an awesome dude, and if he was around more I am almost positive Id like him more than Mondo. He seems like he is the guy Mondo is pretending to be without all that macho insecurity attached to it, and even though he has all of three lines I still like him more than a huge chunk of the cast that seems to only be here to annoy the hell out of me and get in the way of the fun Im trying to have. He seems like a badass and an actual good guy (if you ignore the fact he started a biker gang and biker gangs tend to do a whole lot more crimes than they do genuine community improvement). I felt like Teruterus mom was a little heavy handed with her whole moms are tough speech, but for some reason I didnt get the same impression from Daiya even though his scene is a whole hell of a lot more dramatic. It might have something to do with the fact that I hate Teruteru and dont hate Mondo, but I didnt feel like Daiya was quite as blatant of a lazy attempt to tug at my heartstrings and give sympathy to a character who didnt deserve it. He has a minor part, but I feel like he fills that role well and he makes the conclusion to 1-2 a little more enjoyable because of it. With that being said though, even though I like Daiya, this is as high as I can have him go and even this feels like a bit of a stretch. Dude has three lines then dies. There isnt much to get attached to here. I like most of the cast of these two games, so Daiya really only gets to sit above those characters that either annoyed me or that I really did feel absolutely nothing about. Hes a character who probably winds up higher if hes around for any serious length of time or has more of an impact on the story. But still, 27 isnt so bad for a guy that gets ten seconds of screen time. next ranking I swear is someone you actually care about. Thanks for hanging in there, though! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953778012] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>#27: Daiya Owada Side Character Ranking: 3/8 Ultimate Ability: None Actual Ultimate Ability: Ultimate You Guys Waited A Month And A Half For This? So my last character ranking was 3/24. "Oops". I'm shocked people are still interested in this! Between having a new baby, starting a new job, and moving to a new house I've had...like zero time for side projects. Which is a shame because after this I wanted to do a Demons' Souls level/boss/NPC ranking topic and now who knows if I'll even finish this! Either way, thanks for everyone who has been bumping this and keeping this topic alive. You guys are the true heroes that fill this topic with HOPE while real life obligations have been filling me with HOPE TOO BUT DESPAIR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SITTING AROUND FOR UPDATES. And. Heh. Ahem. What an update to come back to, huh? Daiya Owada a.k.a. wait why the hell is Suprak even wasting his time ranking this guy? See, I wasnt quite sure who all to include in these kind of ranking topics. I knew I wanted to include Monokuma and Monomi despite not being ultimate so I was already expanding a litte. The I thought of Alter Ego, who I consider separate from Chihiro so it probably deserves its own ranking as well. Then I was like, oh, you know what, I have strong feelings on how shitty the headmaster was and I basically have a rant all written up in my head, so lets throw him in. And if I was throwing in shitty characters I wanted to rant about, I needed to throw in [that idiot girl who killed Fuyuhikos sister] because despite the fact I have since forgotten her name, I really hated her and had THOUGHTS. Put her in and I needed to put in Natsumi as well because I mean it would just be weird if I put her murderer in and not her, right? So then I was at 38 and thought lets get to 40 so I threw in Teruterus mom because I remembered her two lines being hilariously awkward and I wondered if her dying maybe sent Teruteru into despair and that was at least interesting to think about. So now I was at 39 and for number 40 I would pick Uh Who else is there? There has to be one more character. Think, Suprak, think! Youd look like and IDIOT if you strolled in here with a 39 character ranking. There has to be someone Im forgetting. Enter Daiya Owada. I had mostly forgotten about Daiya entirely and had to watch a Youtube video just to see if he had any actual lines in his flashback or not. He actually does have a speaking role, which I didnt remember. For those of you that somehow dont remember the tragedy of Daiya Owada the wise (its not a story the Monokuma would tell you), he was essentially Mondo and Mondo was a BIG FAT PHONY. Daiya was the one who built up the biker gang from nothing. Daiya was the leader of the Crazy Diamonds. Daiya was the one who had everyones respect. Daiya was, for all intents and purposes, the Ultimate Biker Gang Leader. We find out that on the day Daiya was to retire, Mondo challenged him to a race in order to try and win some respect from the other members of the gang that were all basically like uh Daiya is awesome but this bullshit is straight up nepotism and that doesnt fly in classy respectable organizations like ours. Only Mondo doesnt win. He fucks up and winds up getting Daiya killed and Daiya is so awesome about the whole thing that hes basically like heh my bad right little bro? and just makes Mondo promise to keep the gang together now that hes dead. Daiya sounds like an awesome dude, and if he was around more I am almost positive Id like him more than Mondo. He seems like he is the guy Mondo is pretending to be without all that macho insecurity attached to it, and even though he has all of three lines I still like him more than a huge chunk of the cast that seems to only be here to annoy the hell out of me and get in the way of the fun Im trying to have. He seems like a badass and an actual good guy (if you ignore the fact he started a biker gang and biker gangs tend to do a whole lot more crimes than they do genuine community improvement). I felt like Teruterus mom was a little heavy handed with her whole moms are tough speech, but for some reason I didnt get the same impression from Daiya even though his scene is a whole hell of a lot more dramatic. It might have something to do with the fact that I hate Teruteru and dont hate Mondo, but I didnt feel like Daiya was quite as blatant of a lazy attempt to tug at my heartstrings and give sympathy to a character who didnt deserve it. He has a minor part, but I feel like he fills that role well and he makes the conclusion to 1-2 a little more enjoyable because of it. With that being said though, even though I like Daiya, this is as high as I can have him go and even this feels like a bit of a stretch. Dude has three lines then dies. There isnt much to get attached to here. I like most of the cast of these two games, so Daiya really only gets to sit above those characters that either annoyed me or that I really did feel absolutely nothing about. Hes a character who probably winds up higher if hes around for any serious length of time or has more of an impact on the story. But still, 27 isnt so bad for a guy that gets ten seconds of screen time. next ranking I swear is someone you actually care about. Thanks for hanging in there, though! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 05/11/21 12:34:11 AM #181:	Suprak the Stud posted... next ranking I swear is someone you actually care about. YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953778295] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote> next ranking I swear is someone you actually care about.</quote>YOU'VE GOT THAT WRONG </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 05/11/21 1:12:10 AM #182:	I can accept and approve this minor character inclusion. Good choice. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. <cite>azuarc posted [p:953779020] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>I can accept and approve this minor character inclusion. Good choice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 05/11/21 1:49:30 AM #183:	I knew he was coming. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:953779669] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>I knew he was coming. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 05/11/21 3:48:11 PM #184:	Can't wait for the next ranking in July --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:953797681] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Can't wait for the next ranking in July </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 05/14/21 2:53:28 AM #185:	Johnbobb posted... Can't wait for the next ranking in July Wow RUDE I mean accurate, but still rude. UP NEXT: Probably my least favorite voice acting outside of Monomi --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:953888253] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Johnbobb posted... </cite> <quote>Can't wait for the next ranking in July</quote> Wow RUDE I mean accurate, but still rude. UP NEXT: Probably my least favorite voice acting outside of Monomi </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 05/14/21 3:43:04 AM #186:	I played with the sub so I can't really take a guess at this one! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:953888842] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>I played with the sub so I can't really take a guess at this one! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 05/15/21 12:19:38 AM #187:	Suprak the Stud posted... UP NEXT: Probably my least favorite voice acting outside of Monomi Was about to say Monomi before I finished reading the sentence --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:953920927] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote> UP NEXT: Probably my least favorite voice acting outside of Monomi</quote>Was about to say Monomi before I finished reading the sentence </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 05/24/21 3:16:01 AM #188:	Bump --- You know what they say: all toasters toast toast. <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:954237301] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 05/30/21 2:43:48 AM #189:	I have the next one half written now so hopefully I get it posted in the next couple days! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:954450439] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>I have the next one half written now so hopefully I get it posted in the next couple days! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 06/06/21 1:33:03 AM #190:	Bumpo --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:954695272] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Bumpo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 06/17/21 3:40:51 AM #191:	Mm. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:955118740] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Mm. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sheep007 06/23/21 6:33:07 PM #192:	Bump --- Perhaps the golden rock was inside us all along. <cite>Sheep007 posted [p:955359898] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 07/01/21 12:07:47 PM #193:	Bump --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:955636285] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bwburke94 07/01/21 12:30:24 PM #194:	We're getting pretty close to having only one update in a three-month span. --- Why is it I'm always attracted to the ice cream girls? <cite>bwburke94 posted [p:955637029] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>We're getting pretty close to having only one update in a three-month span. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 07/01/21 12:46:03 PM #195:	Haha I know it is really bad. The only excuse I have is in the past three months I have: 1) Had a kid 2) Started a new job 3) Bought a new house My free time has been limited which sucks since I cannot imagine people are still interested after this long, but I want to finish anyway. I do have the next entry half written up but haven't had a chance to finish for like a month now. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:955637624] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Haha I know it is really bad. The only excuse I have is in the past three months I have: 1) Had a kid 2) Started a new job 3) Bought a new house My free time has been limited which sucks since I cannot imagine people are still interested after this long, but I want to finish anyway. I do have the next entry half written up but haven't had a chance to finish for like a month now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 07/01/21 12:56:02 PM #196:	Literally any of those is sufficient reason to be too busy for a silly internet list, much less all three. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:955638003] in The Defini... [t:79310930]...</cite> <quote>Literally any of those is sufficient reason to be too busy for a silly internet list, much less all three. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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