Poll of the Day > Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury trailer

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Entity13 01/21/21 8:56:18 PM #101:	They've been at that for some time now, yeah. xD --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:949770642] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>They've been at that for some time now, yeah. xD </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/21/21 8:59:04 PM #102:	You can buy a game at $60 for $10 worth of content. For you, it might not be a good buy. But it's physically possible. People do it all the time. People also buy games they have on other systems. Either newer systems, or just different ones. I don't see why you "can't". The word you're looking for is "won't". Stop using this bullshit argument. I can't afford to play videogame if I can't just buy the game once and get access to all DLC that game will ever have, because otherwise game companies can just demand infinite amount of money to get a complete game just like they do with lootboxes in mobile games. And without COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE videogames, I can't keep living. So you tell me how can I play Bowser's Fury without spending $60 or and stop defending shit companies by blaming me for not bending over to shit business practices that are only there to ruin people's lives. Also, the game isn't incomplete. They complete game was sold. The just made more of it. If they didn't make anymore, you wouldn't be calling the game incomplete. That's because it's not imcomplete. A game is only complete when they stop adding stuff to it. Specially when the new stuff is only in a port. You also aren't getting screwed. You got exactly what you paid for, which is a full game. Also, the other companies already do that. They release the same games over, but with better graphics, or new mechanics, or something else. Not to mention the games that will release for a different system years later. A lot of indie Devs do that. If you feel like you're getting screwed, then don't buy it. But others will for many reasons. And then there are the "you got what you paid for" and "if you don't like it don't buy it" excuses. I bought the game because nobody, probably not even Nintendo, imagined that the game would get more content later, because Nintendo had stopped re-releasing Mario games for a decade. I only buy complete games that you buy only once, like most people with a brain. In fact, that's the problem with re-releases: they can only exist if people are screwed because nobody would buy the game when it comes out if they definitely knew a better version of the same game would come out later. I can't live without playing all the levels in Super Mario 3D World, including the new ones, and I can't live buying the same game twice because that would mean in the future I would be missing out forever from content in future games because game devs will start re-releasing the same game infinite times. So no matter what I do, my life is ruined, thanks to people like you who eat all the shit game devs throw at them That would be wrong again. It had exclusives. And after the console was done, the exclusives got released somewhere else. All other Nintendo consoles, even Virtual Boy had exclusives that remained exclusive for decades. And Microsoft and Sony never made a crap console. Even Vita was better than Wii U. You don't get free bonus just because you bought the game unless that's what Nintendo wants to do. They are a company selling you a products. You either pay the price they set, or don't get it. It's as simple as that. And I will rally gamers to boycott them until I can play get all the content on all the games I buy at a reasonable price. I will not let people like you and ruin my life. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949770734] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>You can buy a game at $60 for $10 worth of content. For you, it might not be a good buy. But it's physically possible. People do it all the time. People also buy games they have on other systems. Either newer systems, or just different ones. I don't see why you "can't". The word you're looking for is "won't". </quote>Stop using this bullshit argument. I can't afford to play videogame if I can't just buy the game once and get access to all DLC that game will ever have, because otherwise game companies can just demand infinite amount of money to get a complete game just like they do with lootboxes in mobile games. And without COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE videogames, I can't keep living. So you tell me how can I play Bowser's Fury without spending $60 or and stop defending shit companies by blaming me for not bending over to shit business practices that are only there to ruin people's lives. <quote>Also, the game isn't incomplete. They complete game was sold. The just made more of it. If they didn't make anymore, you wouldn't be calling the game incomplete. That's because it's not imcomplete.</quote>A game is only complete when they stop adding stuff to it. Specially when the new stuff is only in a port. <quote>You also aren't getting screwed. You got exactly what you paid for, which is a full game. Also, the other companies already do that. They release the same games over, but with better graphics, or new mechanics, or something else. Not to mention the games that will release for a different system years later. A lot of indie Devs do that. If you feel like you're getting screwed, then don't buy it. But others will for many reasons. </quote> And then there are the "you got what you paid for" and "if you don't like it don't buy it" excuses. I bought the game because nobody, probably not even Nintendo, imagined that the game would get more content later, because Nintendo had stopped re-releasing Mario games for a decade. I only buy complete games that you buy only once, like most people with a brain. In fact, that's the problem with re-releases: they can only exist if people are screwed because nobody would buy the game when it comes out if they definitely knew a better version of the same game would come out later. I can't live without playing all the levels in Super Mario 3D World, including the new ones, and I can't live buying the same game twice because that would mean in the future I would be missing out forever from content in future games because game devs will start re-releasing the same game infinite times. So no matter what I do, my life is ruined, thanks to people like you who eat all the shit game devs throw at them <quote>That would be wrong again. It had exclusives. And after the console was done, the exclusives got released somewhere else. </quote>All other Nintendo consoles, even Virtual Boy had exclusives that remained exclusive for decades. And Microsoft and Sony never made a crap console. Even Vita was better than Wii U. <quote>You don't get free bonus just because you bought the game unless that's what Nintendo wants to do. They are a company selling you a products. You either pay the price they set, or don't get it. It's as simple as that.</quote>And I will rally gamers to boycott them until I can play get all the content on all the games I buy at a reasonable price. I will not let people like you and ruin my life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/21/21 9:09:25 PM #104:	Master_Magnus posted... And without COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE videogames, I can't keep living Entity13 posted... They've been at that for some time now, yeah. xD I remember trying to find a GBA game at a good price a few years after it came out. Good times. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949771095] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>And without COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE videogames, I can't keep living</quote> Entity13 posted... </cite> <quote>They've been at that for some time now, yeah. xD</quote>I remember trying to find a GBA game at a good price a few years after it came out. Good times. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/21/21 9:15:04 PM #105:	Master_Magnus posted... That's wrong then. Not remotely. When you buy a product, you buy that product. You do not - unless otherwise specified - buy a lifelong commitment to provide you with any enhancements that may subsequently be developed for that product. That wouldn't make any sense at all. Master_Magnus posted... Yeah but you got the discount. This port will never be discounted to $10, because Nintendo is super greedy now. You'll probably be able to find a used copy for $10 in a decade or so. If you aren't patient enough for that, it will almost certainly see periodic discounts down to $30 in eShop sales by the end of the Switch's lifetime, or potentially even lower if they offer a digital port of it on their next system (which is how I got MP Trilogy so cheaply). Master_Magnus posted... To me it's super important. Important enough that I can't live without it. That's very much a you problem, one which you should perhaps be seeking therapy to help with because that kind of obsession is very much not conducive to living a mentally healthy life. Master_Magnus posted... I bought it now to play PS4 games. That's fair. Master_Magnus posted... If Nintendo wasn't going to make the Wii U a special club they should have axed it just like Virtual Boy instead of selling it for years. They didn't set out to make it a failure. That's just how it went (helped along by some questionable marketing decisions, starting with the name). Once it became apparent that it wasn't salvageable, they did axe it pretty much as soon as they had another revenue stream lined up to fill the void it left, but until that point, they continued to try to make it the best console they could manage. I really don't know what else you want from them than that, other than apparently to never let anyone that didn't buy a WiiU play those games because reasons. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949771263] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>That's wrong then.</quote> Not remotely. When you buy a product, you buy that product. You do not - unless otherwise specified - buy a lifelong commitment to provide you with any enhancements that may subsequently be developed for that product. That wouldn't make any sense at all. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah but you got the discount. This port will never be discounted to $10, because Nintendo is super greedy now.</quote> You'll probably be able to find a used copy for $10 in a decade or so. If you aren't patient enough for that, it will almost certainly see periodic discounts down to $30 in eShop sales by the end of the Switch's lifetime, or potentially even lower if they offer a digital port of it on their next system (which is how I got MP Trilogy so cheaply). Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>To me it's super important. Important enough that I can't live without it.</quote> That's very much a you problem, one which you should perhaps be seeking therapy to help with because that kind of obsession is very much not conducive to living a mentally healthy life. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I bought it now to play PS4 games.</quote> That's fair. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If Nintendo wasn't going to make the Wii U a special club they should have axed it just like Virtual Boy instead of selling it for years.</quote> They didn't set out to make it a failure. That's just how it went (helped along by some questionable marketing decisions, starting with the name). Once it became apparent that it wasn't salvageable, they did axe it pretty much as soon as they had another revenue stream lined up to fill the void it left, but until that point, they continued to try to make it the best console they could manage. I really don't know what else you want from them than that, other than apparently to never let anyone that didn't buy a WiiU play those games because reasons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/21/21 9:48:50 PM #106:	Master_Magnus posted... Stop using this bullshit argument. I can't afford to play videogame if I can't just buy the game once and get access to all DLC that game will ever have, because otherwise game companies can just demand infinite amount of money to get a complete game just like they do with lootboxes in mobile games. And without COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE videogames, I can't keep living. So you tell me how can I play Bowser's Fury without spending $60 or and stop defending shit companies by blaming me for not bending over to shit business practices that are only there to ruin people's lives. You mean stop using logic? Because my argument is based on logic and correct terminology... And you not being able to afford video games is a you problem. Also, if that's true, you better wait like 10 years before buying a video game, then. Many games will come out again, and with more stuff, too... As for lootboxes, you don't have to buy them. And depending on the game, many give ways to actually get all the characters without money. For all the gacha games I've played, I've gotten many really good characters without spending a penny... Takes patience and being somewhat good at the game. And time/resource management... Also, you do know complete and definitive are different when talking about video games, right? Because it not, there's your problem... You you can keep on living. Not having video games won't kill you. If you don't believe, you should go to a real doctor so they can tell you... As for Bowser Fury, you'll have to pay $60 to play it unless you wait for a sale or get a used copy or something. If you don't want to wait for a sale, then you'll either pay full price like everybody else, or not play it. It's that simple... And Nintendo is a shit company. You're just entitled and mad that they are giving you games for free... How about you stop reaching for shitty arguments and admit how much of a troll you are... Master_Magnus posted... A game is only complete when they stop adding stuff to it. Specially when the new stuff is only in a port. Incorrect. A game can be complete and have extra stuff added. That's why it's called extra... Master_Magnus posted... And then there are the "you got what you paid for" and "if you don't like it don't buy it" excuses. I bought the game because nobody, probably not even Nintendo, imagined that the game would get more content later, because Nintendo had stopped re-releasing Mario games for a decade. I only buy complete games that you buy only once, like most people with a brain. In fact, that's the problem with re-releases: they can only exist if people are screwed because nobody would buy the game when it comes out if they definitely knew a better version of the same game would come out later. I can't live without playing all the levels in Super Mario 3D World, including the new ones, and I can't live buying the same game twice because that would mean in the future I would be missing out forever from content in future games because game devs will start re-releasing the same game infinite times. So no matter what I do, my life is ruined, thanks to people like you who eat all the shit game devs throw at them You can call it an excuse, but it's worked for many people over the years. And it seems you are about to do that by not buying the game again. And are you even listening to yourself. You just said how Nintendo probably didn't even know they were going to re-release it. Meaning they made a complete game. And then made more later when they thought about re-releasing it. Meaning you got a full game. And that's also false. Many people buy a game when they want it. many gamers probably knew Horizon Zero Dawn would get a definitive edition. Same with Monster Hunter, or Hyrule Warriors. Same with pretty much every game. If people want a game, they'll buy it to play it. Not to mention, not everyone will decide to wait a few years to play a game. If you want to wait up to 10 years before buying a game ever again to make sure more won't be released, be my guess. Maybe that works for you. Many could care less, though... I know Zeus waits for sales, and wwinterj25 waits for definitive editions for many/most games. So, do what they do. Though, for you, you should probably wait longer since you never know when a game will get re-released. Also, stop being so melodramatic. Not playing the all the levels won't kill you. You might try to take your own life, but that's about it... So, hopefully, you'll drop this melodramatic troll persona and do something more fun... Be a fun troll or something... make us laugh or whatever... And if you really think you're life is ruined, yo did it yourself with your own personality. Fix that, and maybe you can live a healthy, normal, happy life. First thing to do, stop being melodramatic. And then go from there... Master_Magnus posted... All other Nintendo consoles, even Virtual Boy had exclusives that remained exclusive for decades. And Microsoft and Sony never made a crap console. Even Vita was better than Wii U. That's because you couldn't port those games. They were made using the tech to make it 3D. Even if they ported it, they would have changed the color scheme and make it not 3D or whahtever. Which makes it a different game. Though, if it makes you feel better, they also made games that were in series (like Wario Land, Mario Tennis, and Bomberman) and games that already existed in different forms (like Tetris, Pinball, and Space Invaders). And many of those would have been different anyway since the virtual boy was made to be "Virtual Reality". Which means the games would actually have to be different, even if they ported them. And you'd probably cry about that, as well... As for the others not making crap consoles, that what we call subjective. Just because you think their consoles are crap doesn't mean others feel the same way... I've heard bad things about every console... Like every single one...Whether on here, Facebook, Reddit, or some other site, every console has had people who have called them bad. Just because you don't agree means nothing. As it's pretty subjective to many people... Master_Magnus posted... And I will rally gamers to boycott them until I can play get all the content on all the games I buy at a reasonable price until they stop ripping me off. Go right ahead. I'd be surprised if you got enough for them to even noticed, though. Most like that Nintendo releases older games so they can play the again, or on a newer/current gen system... So, I'm not sure if you'll even have many people boycotting with you. More people wouldn't probably against you than with you, if we're being honest... And @Metalsonic66 Keep up the good work! --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949772379] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>Stop using this bullshit argument. I can't afford to play videogame if I can't just buy the game once and get access to all DLC that game will ever have, because otherwise game companies can just demand infinite amount of money to get a complete game just like they do with lootboxes in mobile games. And without COMPLETE AND DEFINITIVE videogames, I can't keep living. So you tell me how can I play Bowser's Fury without spending $60 or and stop defending shit companies by blaming me for not bending over to shit business practices that are only there to ruin people's lives.</quote> You mean stop using logic? Because my argument is based on logic and correct terminology... And you not being able to afford video games is a you problem. Also, if that's true, you better wait like 10 years before buying a video game, then. Many games will come out again, and with more stuff, too... As for lootboxes, you don't have to buy them. And depending on the game, many give ways to actually get all the characters without money. For all the gacha games I've played, I've gotten many really good characters without spending a penny... Takes patience and being somewhat good at the game. And time/resource management... Also, you do know complete and definitive are different when talking about video games, right? Because it not, there's your problem... You you can keep on living. Not having video games won't kill you. If you don't believe, you should go to a real doctor so they can tell you... As for Bowser Fury, you'll have to pay $60 to play it unless you wait for a sale or get a used copy or something. If you don't want to wait for a sale, then you'll either pay full price like everybody else, or not play it. It's that simple... And Nintendo is a shit company. You're just entitled and mad that they are giving you games for free... How about you stop reaching for shitty arguments and admit how much of a troll you are... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>A game is only complete when they stop adding stuff to it. Specially when the new stuff is only in a port.</quote> Incorrect. A game can be complete and have extra stuff added. That's why it's called extra... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>And then there are the "you got what you paid for" and "if you don't like it don't buy it" excuses. I bought the game because nobody, probably not even Nintendo, imagined that the game would get more content later, because Nintendo had stopped re-releasing Mario games for a decade. I only buy complete games that you buy only once, like most people with a brain. In fact, that's the problem with re-releases: they can only exist if people are screwed because nobody would buy the game when it comes out if they definitely knew a better version of the same game would come out later. I can't live without playing all the levels in Super Mario 3D World, including the new ones, and I can't live buying the same game twice because that would mean in the future I would be missing out forever from content in future games because game devs will start re-releasing the same game infinite times. So no matter what I do, my life is ruined, thanks to people like you who eat all the shit game devs throw at them</quote> You can call it an excuse, but it's worked for many people over the years. And it seems you are about to do that by not buying the game again. And are you even listening to yourself. You just said how Nintendo probably didn't even know they were going to re-release it. Meaning they made a complete game. And then made more later when they thought about re-releasing it. Meaning you got a full game. And that's also false. Many people buy a game when they want it. many gamers probably knew Horizon Zero Dawn would get a definitive edition. Same with Monster Hunter, or Hyrule Warriors. Same with pretty much every game. If people want a game, they'll buy it to play it. Not to mention, not everyone will decide to wait a few years to play a game. If you want to wait up to 10 years before buying a game ever again to make sure more won't be released, be my guess. Maybe that works for you. Many could care less, though... I know Zeus waits for sales, and wwinterj25 waits for definitive editions for many/most games. So, do what they do. Though, for you, you should probably wait longer since you never know when a game will get re-released. Also, stop being so melodramatic. Not playing the all the levels won't kill you. You might try to take your own life, but that's about it... So, hopefully, you'll drop this melodramatic troll persona and do something more fun... Be a fun troll or something... make us laugh or whatever... And if you really think you're life is ruined, yo did it yourself with your own personality. Fix that, and maybe you can live a healthy, normal, happy life. First thing to do, stop being melodramatic. And then go from there... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>All other Nintendo consoles, even Virtual Boy had exclusives that remained exclusive for decades. And Microsoft and Sony never made a crap console. Even Vita was better than Wii U.</quote> That's because you couldn't port those games. They were made using the tech to make it 3D. Even if they ported it, they would have changed the color scheme and make it not 3D or whahtever. Which makes it a different game. Though, if it makes you feel better, they also made games that were in series (like Wario Land, Mario Tennis, and Bomberman) and games that already existed in different forms (like Tetris, Pinball, and Space Invaders). And many of those would have been different anyway since the virtual boy was made to be "Virtual Reality". Which means the games would actually have to be different, even if they ported them. And you'd probably cry about that, as well... As for the others not making crap consoles, that what we call subjective. Just because you think their consoles are crap doesn't mean others feel the same way... I've heard bad things about every console... Like every single one...Whether on here, Facebook, Reddit, or some other site, every console has had people who have called them bad. Just because you don't agree means nothing. As it's pretty subjective to many people... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>And I will rally gamers to boycott them until I can play get all the content on all the games I buy at a reasonable price until they stop ripping me off.</quote> Go right ahead. I'd be surprised if you got enough for them to even noticed, though. Most like that Nintendo releases older games so they can play the again, or on a newer/current gen system... So, I'm not sure if you'll even have many people boycotting with you. More people wouldn't probably against you than with you, if we're being honest... And @Metalsonic66 Keep up the good work! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/21/21 10:31:14 PM #107:	Not remotely. When you buy a product, you buy that product. You do not - unless otherwise specified - buy a lifelong commitment to provide you with any enhancements that may subsequently be developed for that product. That wouldn't make any sense at all. It doesn't make any sense for me to have to buy the same game again to get any upgrades. It's wrong that I have to buy the same game twice ever. For my entire life I bought a videogame and got a complete definitive game and that was it. Now game devs are being shitty and I can't get a complete definitive game ever. You'll probably be able to find a used copy for $10 in a decade or so. If you aren't patient enough for that, it will almost certainly see periodic discounts down to $30 in eShop sales by the end of the Switch's lifetime, or potentially even lower if they offer a digital port of it on their next system (which is how I got MP Trilogy so cheaply). LOL only Wii U games sink to $10 used. That's very much a you problem, one which you should perhaps be seeking therapy to help with because that kind of obsession is very much not conducive to living a mentally healthy life. Too late to be healthy. Now all I can hope for is for the game industry to stop exploiting my obsession for infinite money. They didn't set out to make it a failure. That's just how it went (helped along by some questionable marketing decisions, starting with the name). Once it became apparent that it wasn't salvageable, they did axe it pretty much as soon as they had another revenue stream lined up to fill the void it left, but until that point, they continued to try to make it the best console they could manage. I really don't know what else you want from them than that, other than apparently to never let anyone that didn't buy a WiiU play those games because reasons. All I wanted them for that was not port Wii U games until those games were retro and not lock DLC behind ports. Also, you do know complete and definitive are different when talking about video games, right? Because it not, there's your problem... You you can keep on living. Not having video games won't kill you. If you don't believe, you should go to a real doctor so they can tell you... As for Bowser Fury, you'll have to pay $60 to play it unless you wait for a sale or get a used copy or something. If you don't want to wait for a sale, then you'll either pay full price like everybody else, or not play it. It's that simple... And Nintendo is a s* company. You're just entitled and mad that they are giving you games for free... How about you stop reaching for sty arguments and admit how much of a troll you are... I can't enjoy life without videogames. I will literally kill myself without videogames. I can't buy Bowser's Fury at $60. I can't wait for a sale because Bowser's Fury will never be at $10 or even $20 because only Wii U games drop that much. And I can't ever be happy if I can't play Bowser's Fury. Thanks to assholes like you my life is ruined. Incorrect. A game can be complete and have extra stuff added. That's why it's called extra... Most of the content in Wii U ports is too significant to be extra. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949773805] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>Not remotely. When you buy a product, you buy that product. You do not - unless otherwise specified - buy a lifelong commitment to provide you with any enhancements that may subsequently be developed for that product. That wouldn't make any sense at all.</quote>It doesn't make any sense for me to have to buy the same game again to get any upgrades. It's wrong that I have to buy the same game twice ever. For my entire life I bought a videogame and got a complete definitive game and that was it. Now game devs are being shitty and I can't get a complete definitive game ever. <quote>You'll probably be able to find a used copy for $10 in a decade or so. If you aren't patient enough for that, it will almost certainly see periodic discounts down to $30 in eShop sales by the end of the Switch's lifetime, or potentially even lower if they offer a digital port of it on their next system (which is how I got MP Trilogy so cheaply).</quote>LOL only Wii U games sink to $10 used. <quote>That's very much a you problem, one which you should perhaps be seeking therapy to help with because that kind of obsession is very much not conducive to living a mentally healthy life.</quote>Too late to be healthy. Now all I can hope for is for the game industry to stop exploiting my obsession for infinite money. <quote>They didn't set out to make it a failure. That's just how it went (helped along by some questionable marketing decisions, starting with the name). Once it became apparent that it wasn't salvageable, they did axe it pretty much as soon as they had another revenue stream lined up to fill the void it left, but until that point, they continued to try to make it the best console they could manage. I really don't know what else you want from them than that, other than apparently to never let anyone that didn't buy a WiiU play those games because reasons.</quote>All I wanted them for that was not port Wii U games until those games were retro and not lock DLC behind ports. <quote>Also, you do know complete and definitive are different when talking about video games, right? Because it not, there's your problem... You you can keep on living. Not having video games won't kill you. If you don't believe, you should go to a real doctor so they can tell you... As for Bowser Fury, you'll have to pay $60 to play it unless you wait for a sale or get a used copy or something. If you don't want to wait for a sale, then you'll either pay full price like everybody else, or not play it. It's that simple... And Nintendo is a s company. You're just entitled and mad that they are giving you games for free... How about you stop reaching for s*ty arguments and admit how much of a troll you are...</quote>I can't enjoy life without videogames. I will literally kill myself without videogames. I can't buy Bowser's Fury at $60. I can't wait for a sale because Bowser's Fury will never be at $10 or even $20 because only Wii U games drop that much. And I can't ever be happy if I can't play Bowser's Fury. Thanks to assholes like you my life is ruined. <quote>Incorrect. A game can be complete and have extra stuff added. That's why it's called extra...</quote> Most of the content in Wii U ports is too significant to be extra. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/21/21 10:34:55 PM #108:	Master_Magnus posted... Most of the content in Wii U ports is too significant to be extra. Significant and extra are not mutually exclusive --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949773917] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Most of the content in Wii U ports is too significant to be extra.</quote>Significant and extra are not mutually exclusive </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/21/21 10:36:06 PM #109:	You can call it an excuse, but it's worked for many people over the years. And it seems you are about to do that by not buying the game again. And are you even listening to yourself. You just said how Nintendo probably didn't even know they were going to re-release it. Meaning they made a complete game. And then made more later when they thought about re-releasing it. Meaning you got a full game. The game stops being complete as soon as they add more levels to it. If I can't get DLC for a game without buying it again, then what I bought isn't a full game. A game is only full if I don't have to buy it ever again. And that's also false. Many people buy a game when they want it. many gamers probably knew Horizon Zero Dawn would get a definitive edition. Same with Monster Hunter, or Hyrule Warriors. Same with pretty much every game. If people want a game, they'll buy it to play it. Not to mention, not everyone will decide to wait a few years to play a game. If you want to wait up to 10 years before buying a game ever again to make sure more won't be released, be my guess. Maybe that works for you. Many could care less, though... I know Zeus waits for sales, and wwinterj25 waits for definitive editions for many/most games. So, do what they do. Though, for you, you should probably wait longer since you never know when a game will get re-released. Also, stop being so melodramatic. Not playing the all the levels won't kill you. You might try to take your own life, but that's about it... So, hopefully, you'll drop this melodramatic troll persona and do something more fun... Be a fun troll or something... make us laugh or whatever... And if you really think you're life is ruined, yo did it yourself with your own personality. Fix that, and maybe you can live a healthy, normal, happy life. First thing to do, stop being melodramatic. And then go from there... I cannot live knowing that there are levels for a game that I love and that I will never be able to play. And if game devs keep re-releasing games forever, then I can never be happy buying any game because at any point the devs might add a new version of the game with new content that I have to buy again. There is literally no way to get a complete and definitive game like I used to if game devs can just re-release a game and ask for another $60 whenever I want. My life is ruined thanks to all those gamers who buy the same game multiple times. Significant and extra are not mutually exclusive To me it is. Extra implies that it's not significant. If it's significant then it's not extra or bonus, it's something big the devs added to make you buy the game again <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949773952] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>You can call it an excuse, but it's worked for many people over the years. And it seems you are about to do that by not buying the game again. And are you even listening to yourself. You just said how Nintendo probably didn't even know they were going to re-release it. Meaning they made a complete game. And then made more later when they thought about re-releasing it. Meaning you got a full game.</quote> The game stops being complete as soon as they add more levels to it. If I can't get DLC for a game without buying it again, then what I bought isn't a full game. A game is only full if I don't have to buy it ever again. <quote>And that's also false. Many people buy a game when they want it. many gamers probably knew Horizon Zero Dawn would get a definitive edition. Same with Monster Hunter, or Hyrule Warriors. Same with pretty much every game. If people want a game, they'll buy it to play it. Not to mention, not everyone will decide to wait a few years to play a game. If you want to wait up to 10 years before buying a game ever again to make sure more won't be released, be my guess. Maybe that works for you. Many could care less, though... I know Zeus waits for sales, and wwinterj25 waits for definitive editions for many/most games. So, do what they do. Though, for you, you should probably wait longer since you never know when a game will get re-released. Also, stop being so melodramatic. Not playing the all the levels won't kill you. You might try to take your own life, but that's about it... So, hopefully, you'll drop this melodramatic troll persona and do something more fun... Be a fun troll or something... make us laugh or whatever... And if you really think you're life is ruined, yo did it yourself with your own personality. Fix that, and maybe you can live a healthy, normal, happy life. First thing to do, stop being melodramatic. And then go from there...</quote>I cannot live knowing that there are levels for a game that I love and that I will never be able to play. And if game devs keep re-releasing games forever, then I can never be happy buying any game because at any point the devs might add a new version of the game with new content that I have to buy again. There is literally no way to get a complete and definitive game like I used to if game devs can just re-release a game and ask for another $60 whenever I want. My life is ruined thanks to all those gamers who buy the same game multiple times. <quote>Significant and extra are not mutually exclusive</quote>To me it is. Extra implies that it's not significant. If it's significant then it's not extra or bonus, it's something big the devs added to make you buy the game again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/21/21 10:36:37 PM #110:	Master_Magnus posted... I'm not being melodramatic Master_Magnus posted... I will literally kill myself without videogames. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949773980] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not being melodramatic</quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I will literally kill myself without videogames.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/22/21 12:03:14 AM #111:	Master_Magnus posted... I can't enjoy life without videogames. I will literally kill myself without videogames. Then you should go to therapy and fix that. Because if that's true, then you really need therapy... Master_Magnus posted... I can't buy Bowser's Fury at $60. I can't wait for a sale because Bowser's Fury will never be at $10 or even $20 because only Wii U games drop that much. And I can't ever be happy if I can't play Bowser's Fury. Thanks to assholes like you my life is ruined. No, You life is ruin because of your own self. You can spend the $60. You don't want to spend the $60. If this is really what would make you happy, you'd spend the $60. Normal people would pay $60 to keep themselves happy... Master_Magnus posted... Most of the content in Wii U ports is too significant to be extra. First of all, I've never seen any of the extra content from Wii U to be significant. So, you might need to look up that word, as well. And second, as Metalsonic66 said, "Significant and extra are not mutually exclusive". Even if it was significant, it doesn't mean it's not extra... Master_Magnus posted... The game stops being complete as soon as they add more levels to it. If I can't get DLC for a game without buying it again, then what I bought isn't a full game. A game is only full if I don't have to buy it ever again. Nope. That's not how it works. It's complete when you bought it, and never stops being complete. Then they release a new version that has more stuff. The Wii U version is still complete as nothing new was added to it. Just like Xenoblade Chronicles is a complete game, and Torna is extra. Master_Magnus posted... I cannot live knowing that there are levels for a game that I love and that I will never be able to play. And if game devs keep re-releasing games forever, then I can never be happy buying any game because at any point the devs might add a new version of the game with new content that I have to buy again. There is literally no way to get a complete and definitive game like I used to if game devs can just re-release a game and ask for another $60 whenever I want. My life is ruined thanks to all those gamers who buy the same game multiple times. Again, you should tell this to a therapist, and maybe they can help you. And if you never play it, the only person to blame is yourself. You can always buy the game. Not buying it is a choice YOU made... And if you can't be happy, maybe you need to find a new vice. Again, a therapist can help. Maybe even a hypnotist... And again, you're life is only ruined by yourself... Go get a therapist to fix you or something... Master_Magnus posted... To me it is. Extra implies that it's not significant. If it's significant then it's not extra or bonus, it's something big the devs added to make you buy the game again No. It doesn't matter what you think. Things can literally be both significant and extra at the same time... So, it doesn't matter if it's significant or not. It can still be extra AND significant... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949776496] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>I can't enjoy life without videogames. I will literally kill myself without videogames.</quote> Then you should go to therapy and fix that. Because if that's true, then you really need therapy... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>I can't buy Bowser's Fury at $60. I can't wait for a sale because Bowser's Fury will never be at $10 or even $20 because only Wii U games drop that much. And I can't ever be happy if I can't play Bowser's Fury. Thanks to assholes like you my life is ruined.</quote> No, You life is ruin because of your own self. You can spend the $60. You don't want to spend the $60. If this is really what would make you happy, you'd spend the $60. Normal people would pay $60 to keep themselves happy... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>Most of the content in Wii U ports is too significant to be extra.</quote> First of all, I've never seen any of the extra content from Wii U to be significant. So, you might need to look up that word, as well. And second, as Metalsonic66 said, "Significant and extra are not mutually exclusive". Even if it was significant, it doesn't mean it's not extra... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>The game stops being complete as soon as they add more levels to it. If I can't get DLC for a game without buying it again, then what I bought isn't a full game. A game is only full if I don't have to buy it ever again.</quote> Nope. That's not how it works. It's complete when you bought it, and never stops being complete. Then they release a new version that has more stuff. The Wii U version is still complete as nothing new was added to it. Just like Xenoblade Chronicles is a complete game, and Torna is extra. Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>I cannot live knowing that there are levels for a game that I love and that I will never be able to play. And if game devs keep re-releasing games forever, then I can never be happy buying any game because at any point the devs might add a new version of the game with new content that I have to buy again. There is literally no way to get a complete and definitive game like I used to if game devs can just re-release a game and ask for another $60 whenever I want. My life is ruined thanks to all those gamers who buy the same game multiple times.</quote> Again, you should tell this to a therapist, and maybe they can help you. And if you never play it, the only person to blame is yourself. You can always buy the game. Not buying it is a choice YOU made... And if you can't be happy, maybe you need to find a new vice. Again, a therapist can help. Maybe even a hypnotist... And again, you're life is only ruined by yourself... Go get a therapist to fix you or something... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>To me it is. Extra implies that it's not significant. If it's significant then it's not extra or bonus, it's something big the devs added to make you buy the game again</quote> No. It doesn't matter what you think. Things can literally be both significant and extra at the same time... So, it doesn't matter if it's significant or not. It can still be extra AND significant...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/22/21 12:05:48 AM #112:	Master_Magnus posted... Extra implies that it's not significant. If it's significant then it's not extra or bonus I dunno man I got an extra Whopper one time because the wait at the drive-through was so long, and it felt like a pretty significant bonus --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949776553] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Extra implies that it's not significant. If it's significant then it's not extra or bonus</quote>I dunno man I got an extra Whopper one time because the wait at the drive-through was so long, and it felt like a pretty significant bonus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/22/21 7:39:56 AM #113:	No, You life is ruin because of your own self. You can spend the $60. You don't want to spend the $60. If this is really what would make you happy, you'd spend the $60. Normal people would pay $60 to keep themselves happy... Spending $60 to get maybe 3 hours of new content doesn't make me happy. I can only be happy if I can get it for $20 or less. Nope. That's not how it works. It's complete when you bought it, and never stops being complete. Then they release a new version that has more stuff. The Wii U version is still complete as nothing new was added to it. Just like Xenoblade Chronicles is a complete game, and Torna is extra. It's not complete to me if I don't have all the "extras". I want all the extras buying the base game only once. I can't enjoy videogames if I have to buy $60 just to get "extras". And as long as game devs can just re-release games with "extras" as much as they want, I can never have what I want and my life is ruined forever. Again, you should tell this to a therapist, and maybe they can help you. And if you never play it, the only person to blame is yourself. You can always buy the game. Not buying it is a choice YOU made... And if you can't be happy, maybe you need to find a new vice. Again, a therapist can help. Maybe even a hypnotist... And again, you're life is only ruined by yourself... Go get a therapist to fix you or something... I can't find a new vice. It's too late for that. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949783672] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>No, You life is ruin because of your own self. You can spend the $60. You don't want to spend the $60. If this is really what would make you happy, you'd spend the $60. Normal people would pay $60 to keep themselves happy...</quote> Spending $60 to get maybe 3 hours of new content doesn't make me happy. I can only be happy if I can get it for $20 or less. <quote>Nope. That's not how it works. It's complete when you bought it, and never stops being complete. Then they release a new version that has more stuff. The Wii U version is still complete as nothing new was added to it. Just like Xenoblade Chronicles is a complete game, and Torna is extra.</quote> It's not complete to me if I don't have all the "extras". I want all the extras buying the base game only once. I can't enjoy videogames if I have to buy $60 just to get "extras". And as long as game devs can just re-release games with "extras" as much as they want, I can never have what I want and my life is ruined forever. <quote>Again, you should tell this to a therapist, and maybe they can help you. And if you never play it, the only person to blame is yourself. You can always buy the game. Not buying it is a choice YOU made... And if you can't be happy, maybe you need to find a new vice. Again, a therapist can help. Maybe even a hypnotist... And again, you're life is only ruined by yourself... Go get a therapist to fix you or something...</quote>I can't find a new vice. It's too late for that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/22/21 7:53:05 AM #114:	Master_Magnus posted... Spending $60 to get maybe 3 hours of new content doesn't make me happy. I can only be happy if I can get it for $20 or less. Again, seems like a you problem. You're entitled, and that's fine. If you wanna be self-destructive, go for it... Master_Magnus posted... It's not complete to me if I don't have all the "extras". I want all the extras buying the base game only once. I can't enjoy videogames if I have to buy $60 just to get "extras". And as long as game devs can just re-release games with "extras" as much as they want, I can never have what I want and my life is ruined forever. That's not how the word extra works. If it has extra, it's usually has more than usual. Meaning it complete, and has more to boot... And the $60 isn't for just the extras. It's for the game, too... Which is for a different system. And that's not how it had ever work... Ever... Just because I got the game for one system doesn't mean I get it and the extras for all the systems. It just doesn't work like that. You want the game again, you gotta pay again. So, if you wanna pretend you life is ruined, have fun! Master_Magnus posted... I can't find a new vice. It's too late for that. Nope. It's not. There's always time for a new vice. You're just not trying hard enough... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949783929] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>Spending $60 to get maybe 3 hours of new content doesn't make me happy. I can only be happy if I can get it for $20 or less.</quote> Again, seems like a you problem. You're entitled, and that's fine. If you wanna be self-destructive, go for it... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>It's not complete to me if I don't have all the "extras". I want all the extras buying the base game only once. I can't enjoy videogames if I have to buy $60 just to get "extras". And as long as game devs can just re-release games with "extras" as much as they want, I can never have what I want and my life is ruined forever.</quote> That's not how the word extra works. If it has extra, it's usually has more than usual. Meaning it complete, and has more to boot... And the $60 isn't for just the extras. It's for the game, too... Which is for a different system. And that's not how it had ever work... Ever... Just because I got the game for one system doesn't mean I get it and the extras for all the systems. It just doesn't work like that. You want the game again, you gotta pay again. So, if you wanna pretend you life is ruined, have fun! Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>I can't find a new vice. It's too late for that.</quote> Nope. It's not. There's always time for a new vice. You're just not trying hard enough...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/22/21 9:19:02 AM #115:	Master_Magnus posted... It doesn't make any sense for me to have to buy the same game again to get any upgrades. Sure it does. There are many reasons why it might not be practical to deliver those upgrades to older versions or offer a special purchase option for existing owners, not least of which is the fact that existing owners generally don't care that much and it's therefore rarely worthwhile to put in any work to get the content to them. Master_Magnus posted... It's wrong that I have to buy the same game twice ever. You never have to. You either choose to because you feel it'll be worth the extra cost, or you choose not to because you don't. Those are the only two possibilities, neither of which amount to forcing you to buy the game any number of times. Master_Magnus posted... For my entire life I bought a videogame and got a complete definitive game and that was it. I've demonstrated how false this is. Remakes are becoming more common as the library of remake-eligible games grows (a natural consequence of the passage of time), and the WiiU is certainly seeing an unusual amount of it, but enhanced rereleases of games have been happening for pretty much as long as home gaming has been a thing. Master_Magnus posted... LOL only Wii U games sink to $10 used. Not at all. Unless they're particularly high-demand or hard to find used copies of (which, actually often applies to used Nintendo games), it's usually pretty easy to find older games for $10. Heck, without even looking at used copies, most non-Nintendo games routinely drop to ~$10 in Steam sales and the like, even within their own generation (not that generations mean anything on the PC). Master_Magnus posted... Too late to be healthy. Therapy can always help, provided you actually want to improve and stick with it for long enough. Seriously, look into it. Your self-destructive fixation on this issue is suggesting to me you've either got OCD or some manner of ASD (I'm not a medical professional and this is not a proper diagnostic setting, so do not under any circumstances treat this rough guess as being more credible than a diagnosis from an actual doctor), both of which can pretty easily be treated well enough to improve your quality of life. You don't have to resign yourself to being unhealthy and unhappy. Now, whether or not you can afford therapy is another issue, but this isn't a topic to get into the evils of for-profit medicine. Master_Magnus posted... Now all I can hope for is for the game industry to stop exploiting my obsession for infinite money. That's never going to happen, particularly where they don't really care about your particular obsession. Porting WiiU games to the Switch is not a matter of trying to convince WiiU owners to buy the games a second time, it's a matter of trying to sell the games to Switch owners that didn't buy them the first time (mostly because they didn't have a WiiU). MK8 Deluxe has sold ~29 million copies, compared to 8.5 million for the original. Even if every single person that bought the original also bought the remake, that's still only a third of the sales, and I can guarantee that's a very unreasonable assumption to make (if nothing else, I can personally vouch for one person who did not rebuy it). Quite simply, the money is not in convincing WiiU owners to buy their games a second time. That's a nice bonus when they can get it, but the real money is in the fact that 5 times more people own a Switch than ever owned a WiiU, and that figure just keeps climbing. That's who they're selling this to; don't delude yourself into thinking they care that much about double dipping into your wallet. Master_Magnus posted... Extra implies that it's not significant. No, "extra" implies that it's not necessary. Which it isn't. The game was perfectly enjoyable before this content existed, and that game hasn't changed. It's just as enjoyable now without the new content as it was then because the experience is identical (ignoring changes in personal perception due to evolving standards for gameplay conventions, controls, and other aspects that factor into determining how well a game has aged). That means the new content is something extra added to provide further enjoyment. Will the experience without the content be inferior to the enhanced experience? Probably. But being less enjoyable and being unenjoyable are two very different things. As I mentioned earlier, I like eating cake with ice cream and berries better than without, but cake on its own is still a perfectly complete dessert. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949785890] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't make any sense for me to have to buy the same game again to get any upgrades.</quote> Sure it does. There are many reasons why it might not be practical to deliver those upgrades to older versions or offer a special purchase option for existing owners, not least of which is the fact that existing owners generally don't care that much and it's therefore rarely worthwhile to put in any work to get the content to them. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>It's wrong that I have to buy the same game twice ever.</quote> You never have to. You either choose to because you feel it'll be worth the extra cost, or you choose not to because you don't. Those are the only two possibilities, neither of which amount to forcing you to buy the game any number of times. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>For my entire life I bought a videogame and got a complete definitive game and that was it.</quote> I've demonstrated how false this is. Remakes are becoming more common as the library of remake-eligible games grows (a natural consequence of the passage of time), and the WiiU is certainly seeing an unusual amount of it, but enhanced rereleases of games have been happening for pretty much as long as home gaming has been a thing. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>LOL only Wii U games sink to $10 used.</quote> Not at all. Unless they're particularly high-demand or hard to find used copies of (which, actually often applies to used Nintendo games), it's usually pretty easy to find older games for $10. Heck, without even looking at used copies, most non-Nintendo games routinely drop to ~$10 in Steam sales and the like, even within their own generation (not that generations mean anything on the PC). Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Too late to be healthy.</quote> Therapy can always help, provided you actually want to improve and stick with it for long enough. Seriously, look into it. Your self-destructive fixation on this issue is suggesting to me you've either got OCD or some manner of ASD (I'm not a medical professional and this is not a proper diagnostic setting, so do not under any circumstances treat this rough guess as being more credible than a diagnosis from an actual doctor), both of which can pretty easily be treated well enough to improve your quality of life. You don't have to resign yourself to being unhealthy and unhappy. Now, whether or not you can afford therapy is another issue, but this isn't a topic to get into the evils of for-profit medicine. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Now all I can hope for is for the game industry to stop exploiting my obsession for infinite money.</quote> That's never going to happen, particularly where they don't really care about your particular obsession. Porting WiiU games to the Switch is not a matter of trying to convince WiiU owners to buy the games a second time, it's a matter of trying to sell the games to Switch owners that didn't buy them the first time (mostly because they didn't have a WiiU). MK8 Deluxe has sold ~29 million copies, compared to 8.5 million for the original. Even if every single person that bought the original also bought the remake, that's still only a third of the sales, and I can guarantee that's a very unreasonable assumption to make (if nothing else, I can personally vouch for one person who did not rebuy it). Quite simply, the money is not in convincing WiiU owners to buy their games a second time. That's a nice bonus when they can get it, but the real money is in the fact that 5 times more people own a Switch than ever owned a WiiU, and that figure just keeps climbing. That's who they're selling this to; don't delude yourself into thinking they care that much about double dipping into your wallet. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Extra implies that it's not significant.</quote> No, "extra" implies that it's not necessary. Which it isn't. The game was perfectly enjoyable before this content existed, and that game hasn't changed. It's just as enjoyable now without the new content as it was then because the experience is identical (ignoring changes in personal perception due to evolving standards for gameplay conventions, controls, and other aspects that factor into determining how well a game has aged). That means the new content is something extra added to provide further enjoyment. Will the experience without the content be inferior to the enhanced experience? Probably. But being less enjoyable and being unenjoyable are two very different things. As I mentioned earlier, I like eating cake with ice cream and berries better than without, but cake on its own is still a perfectly complete dessert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/22/21 10:01:56 AM #116:	That's not how the word extra works. If it has extra, it's usually has more than usual. Meaning it complete, and has more to boot... And the $60 isn't for just the extras. It's for the game, too... Which is for a different system. And that's not how it had ever work... Ever... Just because I got the game for one system doesn't mean I get it and the extras for all the systems. It just doesn't work like that. You want the game again, you gotta pay again. So, if you wanna pretend you life is ruined, have fun! Then they shouldn't make extras for any re-release if I have to buy the same game again at full price to get them. That's wrong. Sure it does. There are many reasons why it might not be practical to deliver those upgrades to older versions or offer a special purchase option for existing owners, not least of which is the fact that existing owners generally don't care that much and it's therefore rarely worthwhile to put in any work to get the content to them. It is practical, game devs are just greedy. You never have to. You either choose to because you feel it'll be worth the extra cost, or you choose not to because you don't. Those are the only two possibilities, neither of which amount to forcing you to buy the game any number of times. Both choices ruin my life. I need a third option: I buy the game at $60, DLC at a reasonable price and never have to buy the game at $60 ever again. And I will fight until I get that third option. Therapy can always help, provided you actually want to improve and stick with it for long enough. Seriously, look into it. Your self-destructive fixation on this issue is suggesting to me you've either got OCD or some manner of ASD (I'm not a medical professional and this is not a proper diagnostic setting, so do not under any circumstances treat this rough guess as being more credible than a diagnosis from an actual doctor), both of which can pretty easily be treated well enough to improve your quality of life. You don't have to resign yourself to being unhealthy and unhappy. So far it didn't help. At least not with videogame problems. That's never going to happen, particularly where they don't really care about your particular obsession. They should care because most gamers are like that. Gamers want everything and it's an abusive practice to lock content behind ports to make people spend more money than they should. Quite simply, the money is not in convincing WiiU owners to buy their games a second time. That's a nice bonus when they can get it, but the real money is in the fact that 5 times more people own a Switch than ever owned a WiiU, and that figure just keeps climbing. That's who they're selling this to; don't delude yourself into thinking they care that much about double dipping into your wallet. If Nintendo just wanted to sell the game to a new audience then they wouldn't spend money on extras. They make the extras because they also expect people who already bought the game to buy it a second time as well. No, "extra" implies that it's not necessary. Which it isn't. The game was perfectly enjoyable before this content existed, and that game hasn't changed. It's just as enjoyable now without the new content as it was then because the experience is identical (ignoring changes in personal perception due to evolving standards for gameplay conventions, controls, and other aspects that factor into determining how well a game has aged). That means the new content is something extra added to provide further enjoyment. To me Bowser's Fury is necessary. I can't enjoy any game if I can't buy all the DLC I want for that game without buying it twice. All DLC that I care about is necessary, and I should never have to miss out on any DLC forever because the devs charge $60 for it. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949786980] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>That's not how the word extra works. If it has extra, it's usually has more than usual. Meaning it complete, and has more to boot... And the $60 isn't for just the extras. It's for the game, too... Which is for a different system. And that's not how it had ever work... Ever... Just because I got the game for one system doesn't mean I get it and the extras for all the systems. It just doesn't work like that. You want the game again, you gotta pay again. So, if you wanna pretend you life is ruined, have fun!</quote>Then they shouldn't make extras for any re-release if I have to buy the same game again at full price to get them. That's wrong. <quote>Sure it does. There are many reasons why it might not be practical to deliver those upgrades to older versions or offer a special purchase option for existing owners, not least of which is the fact that existing owners generally don't care that much and it's therefore rarely worthwhile to put in any work to get the content to them.</quote>It is practical, game devs are just greedy. <quote>You never have to. You either choose to because you feel it'll be worth the extra cost, or you choose not to because you don't. Those are the only two possibilities, neither of which amount to forcing you to buy the game any number of times.</quote>Both choices ruin my life. I need a third option: I buy the game at $60, DLC at a reasonable price and never have to buy the game at $60 ever again. And I will fight until I get that third option. <quote>Therapy can always help, provided you actually want to improve and stick with it for long enough. Seriously, look into it. Your self-destructive fixation on this issue is suggesting to me you've either got OCD or some manner of ASD (I'm not a medical professional and this is not a proper diagnostic setting, so do not under any circumstances treat this rough guess as being more credible than a diagnosis from an actual doctor), both of which can pretty easily be treated well enough to improve your quality of life. You don't have to resign yourself to being unhealthy and unhappy.</quote> So far it didn't help. At least not with videogame problems. <quote>That's never going to happen, particularly where they don't really care about your particular obsession.</quote> They should care because most gamers are like that. Gamers want everything and it's an abusive practice to lock content behind ports to make people spend more money than they should. <quote>Quite simply, the money is not in convincing WiiU owners to buy their games a second time. That's a nice bonus when they can get it, but the real money is in the fact that 5 times more people own a Switch than ever owned a WiiU, and that figure just keeps climbing. That's who they're selling this to; don't delude yourself into thinking they care that much about double dipping into your wallet.</quote>If Nintendo just wanted to sell the game to a new audience then they wouldn't spend money on extras. They make the extras because they also expect people who already bought the game to buy it a second time as well. <quote>No, "extra" implies that it's not necessary. Which it isn't. The game was perfectly enjoyable before this content existed, and that game hasn't changed. It's just as enjoyable now without the new content as it was then because the experience is identical (ignoring changes in personal perception due to evolving standards for gameplay conventions, controls, and other aspects that factor into determining how well a game has aged). That means the new content is something extra added to provide further enjoyment.</quote> To me Bowser's Fury is necessary. I can't enjoy any game if I can't buy all the DLC I want for that game without buying it twice. All DLC that I care about is necessary, and I should never have to miss out on any DLC forever because the devs charge $60 for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/22/21 10:06:56 AM #117:	No, "extra" implies that it's not necessary. Which it isn't. The game was perfectly enjoyable before this content existed, and that game hasn't changed. It's just as enjoyable now without the new content as it was then because the experience is identical (ignoring changes in personal perception due to evolving standards for gameplay conventions, controls, and other aspects that factor into determining how well a game has aged). That means the new content is something extra added to provide further enjoyment. To me Bowser's Fury is necessary. I can't enjoy any game if I can't buy all the DLC I want for that game without buying it twice. All DLC that I care about is necessary, and I should never have to miss out on any DLC forever because the devs charge $60 for it. Not at all. Unless they're particularly high-demand or hard to find used copies of (which, actually often applies to used Nintendo games), it's usually pretty easy to find older games for $10. Heck, without even looking at used copies, most non-Nintendo games routinely drop to ~$10 in Steam sales and the like, even within their own generation (not that generations mean anything on the PC). Yeah but I play mostly Nintendo games. Or at least I used to before they shafted me. Only Wii U games drop that much. Is this port going to be $10 ever? Not at all I've demonstrated how false this is. Remakes are becoming more common as the library of remake-eligible games grows (a natural consequence of the passage of time), and the WiiU is certainly seeing an unusual amount of it, but enhanced rereleases of games have been happening for pretty much as long as home gaming has been a thing. Remakes used to be rare and they used to have few if any new content, with few exceptions. It was ridiculous back then for someone to buy the same game twice. Now it's becoming expected to buy the same game at full price multiple times. And the very fact that there are an unusual number of Wii U ports is a problem. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949787100] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>No, "extra" implies that it's not necessary. Which it isn't. The game was perfectly enjoyable before this content existed, and that game hasn't changed. It's just as enjoyable now without the new content as it was then because the experience is identical (ignoring changes in personal perception due to evolving standards for gameplay conventions, controls, and other aspects that factor into determining how well a game has aged). That means the new content is something extra added to provide further enjoyment.</quote> To me Bowser's Fury is necessary. I can't enjoy any game if I can't buy all the DLC I want for that game without buying it twice. All DLC that I care about is necessary, and I should never have to miss out on any DLC forever because the devs charge $60 for it. <quote>Not at all. Unless they're particularly high-demand or hard to find used copies of (which, actually often applies to used Nintendo games), it's usually pretty easy to find older games for $10. Heck, without even looking at used copies, most non-Nintendo games routinely drop to ~$10 in Steam sales and the like, even within their own generation (not that generations mean anything on the PC).</quote> Yeah but I play mostly Nintendo games. Or at least I used to before they shafted me. Only Wii U games drop that much. Is this port going to be $10 ever? Not at all <quote>I've demonstrated how false this is. Remakes are becoming more common as the library of remake-eligible games grows (a natural consequence of the passage of time), and the WiiU is certainly seeing an unusual amount of it, but enhanced rereleases of games have been happening for pretty much as long as home gaming has been a thing.</quote> Remakes used to be rare and they used to have few if any new content, with few exceptions. It was ridiculous back then for someone to buy the same game twice. Now it's becoming expected to buy the same game at full price multiple times. And the very fact that there are an unusual number of Wii U ports is a problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/22/21 10:30:18 AM #118:	Master_Magnus posted... It is practical, How? Developing it for the original game will take the same amount of resources as developing it for the remake (if it's even possible within the technical limitations of the older system). Offering an upgrade option requires the existence of infrastructure by which they can determine whether or not you own a copy of the original (including some manner of verification system to prevent used copies from spawning infinite copies of the remake), which does not exist. Offering either solution would require a substantial investment that likely will not be recovered because, again, most people aren't that interested in minor DLC for games they finished playing years ago. How exactly do you consider it practical for a business to spend more than they will make solving a problem that isn't actually hurting them? Master_Magnus posted... Both choices ruin my life. They really don't. There are tens of thousands of games you have never and will never play in their entirety, many of which you really can't ever play because reasonably accessible options for them don't exist (ironically, because they haven't been ported), and that number is only going to grow as the industry does. Your life has not been ruined by not playing any given one of them, and similarly, your life has not been ruined by not playing this one. Perspective, my friend: The problems you're having with this game have been there for your entire life, and they've never been this much of an issue for you. It's only because you're choosing to fixate on this one that it's bothering you so much. Convince yourself to fixate less on it, and the problem's gone. Master_Magnus posted... So far it didn't help. At least not with videogame problems. It'll get there. If you don't feel like you're making progress, talk to your therapist about that. Maybe they need to try something different, maybe they'll refer you to a new therapist, or maybe your apparent lack of progress so far is completely within expectations and you are actually getting gradually better. Master_Magnus posted... They should care because most gamers are like that. They really aren't. People that buy remakes of games they already own do so because they feel it will be worthwhile, not because they're compelled to have everything. There are publishers that go full Street Fighter and do everything they can to convince people they should buy a new copy because of everything they're missing out on, but when it comes to remaking games (especially in the case of the WiiU, where games are being remade only because they sold so poorly the first time around), the focus is primarily on attracting new audiences. Master_Magnus posted... If Nintendo just wanted to sell the game to a new audience then they wouldn't spend money on extras. You might think, but most of the people they're trying to sell the game to already know about it and have already made a decision not to buy it the first time around. In this case, that decision was based more around not wanting to buy the system than not wanting to buy the game, but regardless of the reasoning, people that have already decided not to buy a game are likely to stick to that decision if you just offer it to them again without doing anything different. Adding extra content - however trivial - convinces those people to give it a second look, which is often all it takes to get a sale once whatever issue prevented the original sale (system ownership, in this case) has been resolved. It's also worth noting that many people who chose not to buy the original may have done so because they didn't feel they'd get their money's worth out of it. Adding more content helps to alleviate that, driving more sales. Master_Magnus posted... To me Bowser's Fury is necessary. I can't enjoy any game if I can't buy all the DLC I want for that game without buying it twice. All DLC that I care about is necessary, and I should never have to miss out on any DLC forever because the devs charge $60 for it. You already have enjoyed the game, without the content. By definition, that means the content is not necessary for you to enjoy the game. That you're retroactively sabotaging that enjoyment is entirely your decision, not an inherent property of this content. Master_Magnus posted... And the very fact that there are an unusual number of Wii U ports is a problem. Not really. It means that games that didn't sell very well because of the platform they were on get to have the sales they deserve and more people get to enjoy them. Over 20 million people (and probably pushing 25, in all likelihood) have gotten to play Mario Kart 8 solely because it was ported to the Switch. More people enjoying games is never a problem. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949787734] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>It is practical,</quote> How? Developing it for the original game will take the same amount of resources as developing it for the remake (if it's even possible within the technical limitations of the older system). Offering an upgrade option requires the existence of infrastructure by which they can determine whether or not you own a copy of the original (including some manner of verification system to prevent used copies from spawning infinite copies of the remake), which does not exist. Offering either solution would require a substantial investment that likely will not be recovered because, again, most people aren't that interested in minor DLC for games they finished playing years ago. How exactly do you consider it practical for a business to spend more than they will make solving a problem that isn't actually hurting them? Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Both choices ruin my life.</quote> They really don't. There are tens of thousands of games you have never and will never play in their entirety, many of which you really can't ever play because reasonably accessible options for them don't exist (ironically, because they haven't been ported), and that number is only going to grow as the industry does. Your life has not been ruined by not playing any given one of them, and similarly, your life has not been ruined by not playing this one. Perspective, my friend: The problems you're having with this game have been there for your entire life, and they've never been this much of an issue for you. It's only because you're choosing to fixate on this one that it's bothering you so much. Convince yourself to fixate less on it, and the problem's gone. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>So far it didn't help. At least not with videogame problems.</quote> It'll get there. If you don't feel like you're making progress, talk to your therapist about that. Maybe they need to try something different, maybe they'll refer you to a new therapist, or maybe your apparent lack of progress so far is completely within expectations and you are actually getting gradually better. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>They should care because most gamers are like that.</quote> They really aren't. People that buy remakes of games they already own do so because they feel it will be worthwhile, not because they're compelled to have everything. There are publishers that go full Street Fighter and do everything they can to convince people they should buy a new copy because of everything they're missing out on, but when it comes to remaking games (especially in the case of the WiiU, where games are being remade only because they sold so poorly the first time around), the focus is primarily on attracting new audiences. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If Nintendo just wanted to sell the game to a new audience then they wouldn't spend money on extras.</quote> You might think, but most of the people they're trying to sell the game to already know about it and have already made a decision not to buy it the first time around. In this case, that decision was based more around not wanting to buy the system than not wanting to buy the game, but regardless of the reasoning, people that have already decided not to buy a game are likely to stick to that decision if you just offer it to them again without doing anything different. Adding extra content - however trivial - convinces those people to give it a second look, which is often all it takes to get a sale once whatever issue prevented the original sale (system ownership, in this case) has been resolved. It's also worth noting that many people who chose not to buy the original may have done so because they didn't feel they'd get their money's worth out of it. Adding more content helps to alleviate that, driving more sales. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>To me Bowser's Fury is necessary. I can't enjoy any game if I can't buy all the DLC I want for that game without buying it twice. All DLC that I care about is necessary, and I should never have to miss out on any DLC forever because the devs charge $60 for it.</quote> You already have enjoyed the game, without the content. By definition, that means the content is not necessary for you to enjoy the game. That you're retroactively sabotaging that enjoyment is entirely your decision, not an inherent property of this content. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>And the very fact that there are an unusual number of Wii U ports is a problem.</quote> Not really. It means that games that didn't sell very well because of the platform they were on get to have the sales they deserve and more people get to enjoy them. Over 20 million people (and probably pushing 25, in all likelihood) have gotten to play Mario Kart 8 solely because it was ported to the Switch. More people enjoying games is never a problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/22/21 11:09:11 AM #119:	Master_Magnus posted... Then they shouldn't make extras for any re-release if I have to buy the same game again at full price to get them. That's wrong. But its not wrong. They want to rerelease it with more stuff. Thats perfectly fine... I don.this see why you think its wrong to make more for a game. Sounds pretty selfish, tbh... More of that entitlement slipping through... Master_Magnus posted... And yes, if I do buy the same game twice, then game devs will re-release games as much as they want. And if you dont, they still will... Master_Magnus posted... They should care because most gamers are like that. Nope. They arent. Youre actually very different than they are... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949788949] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>Then they shouldn't make extras for any re-release if I have to buy the same game again at full price to get them. That's wrong.</quote> But its not wrong. They want to rerelease it with more stuff. Thats perfectly fine... I don.this see why you think its wrong to make more for a game. Sounds pretty selfish, tbh... More of that entitlement slipping through... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>And yes, if I do buy the same game twice, then game devs will re-release games as much as they want.</quote> And if you dont, they still will... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>They should care because most gamers are like that. </quote> Nope. They arent. Youre actually very different than they are...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/22/21 12:15:00 PM #120:	How? Developing it for the original game will take the same amount of resources as developing it for the remake (if it's even possible within the technical limitations of the older system). Offering an upgrade option requires the existence of infrastructure by which they can determine whether or not you own a copy of the original (including some manner of verification system to prevent used copies from spawning infinite copies of the remake), which does not exist. Offering either solution would require a substantial investment that likely will not be recovered because, again, most people aren't that interested in minor DLC for games they finished playing years ago. They already know who bought a digital copy of the game. If they don't already have serial numbers for game discs, just let people trade in their physical copy to get the port with a discount. Easy. They really don't. There are tens of thousands of games you have never and will never play in their entirety, many of which you really can't ever play because reasonably accessible options for them don't exist (ironically, because they haven't been ported), and that number is only going to grow as the industry does. Your life has not been ruined by not playing any given one of them, and similarly, your life has not been ruined by not playing this one. Those tens of thousands of games aren't worth playing. I can't live not playing all the levels of a game that I already bought. Either I play all of a game or not play a game at all. I can't live playing only a part of the game unless I know that I don't like it Perspective, my friend: The problems you're having with this game have been there for your entire life, and they've never been this much of an issue for you. It's only because you're choosing to fixate on this one that it's bothering you so much. Convince yourself to fixate less on it, and the problem's gone. They've never been an issue because I wasn't screwed. Now I am and I will not stop fixating on this until it is solved. They really aren't. People that buy remakes of games they already own do so because they feel it will be worthwhile, not because they're compelled to have everything. There are publishers that go full Street Fighter and do everything they can to convince people they should buy a new copy because of everything they're missing out on, but when it comes to remaking games (especially in the case of the WiiU, where games are being remade only because they sold so poorly the first time around), the focus is primarily on attracting new audiences. Bowser's Fury is definitely going full Street Fighter. No game dev does such amount of work if they aren't doing it to convince people who already have the game to buy a new copy. You already have enjoyed the game, without the content. By definition, that means the content is not necessary for you to enjoy the game. That you're retroactively sabotaging that enjoyment is entirely your decision, not an inherent property of this content. It doesn't matter that I enjoyed the game if my life is ruined because there are levels that I will never get to play because I already enjoyed the game. I can only enjoy videogames if I can enjoy all of the content in a game, past present and future. It doesn't matter that I enjoyed the game, I must live knowing that I enjoyed ALL of the game past present and future. Not really. It means that games that didn't sell very well because of the platform they were on get to have the sales they deserve and more people get to enjoy them. Over 20 million people (and probably pushing 25, in all likelihood) have gotten to play Mario Kart 8 solely because it was ported to the Switch. More people enjoying games is never a problem. It's a problem that those who bought the Wii U got a shit deal compared to every other Nintendo console. If I buy a Nintendo console, I should get a Nintendo console, not a piece of shit. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949791269] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>How? Developing it for the original game will take the same amount of resources as developing it for the remake (if it's even possible within the technical limitations of the older system). Offering an upgrade option requires the existence of infrastructure by which they can determine whether or not you own a copy of the original (including some manner of verification system to prevent used copies from spawning infinite copies of the remake), which does not exist. Offering either solution would require a substantial investment that likely will not be recovered because, again, most people aren't that interested in minor DLC for games they finished playing years ago.</quote>They already know who bought a digital copy of the game. If they don't already have serial numbers for game discs, just let people trade in their physical copy to get the port with a discount. Easy. <quote>They really don't. There are tens of thousands of games you have never and will never play in their entirety, many of which you really can't ever play because reasonably accessible options for them don't exist (ironically, because they haven't been ported), and that number is only going to grow as the industry does. Your life has not been ruined by not playing any given one of them, and similarly, your life has not been ruined by not playing this one.</quote> Those tens of thousands of games aren't worth playing. I can't live not playing all the levels of a game that I already bought. Either I play all of a game or not play a game at all. I can't live playing only a part of the game unless I know that I don't like it <quote>Perspective, my friend: The problems you're having with this game have been there for your entire life, and they've never been this much of an issue for you. It's only because you're choosing to fixate on this one that it's bothering you so much. Convince yourself to fixate less on it, and the problem's gone.</quote>They've never been an issue because I wasn't screwed. Now I am and I will not stop fixating on this until it is solved. <quote>They really aren't. People that buy remakes of games they already own do so because they feel it will be worthwhile, not because they're compelled to have everything. There are publishers that go full Street Fighter and do everything they can to convince people they should buy a new copy because of everything they're missing out on, but when it comes to remaking games (especially in the case of the WiiU, where games are being remade only because they sold so poorly the first time around), the focus is primarily on attracting new audiences.</quote>Bowser's Fury is definitely going full Street Fighter. No game dev does such amount of work if they aren't doing it to convince people who already have the game to buy a new copy. <quote>You already have enjoyed the game, without the content. By definition, that means the content is not necessary for you to enjoy the game. That you're retroactively sabotaging that enjoyment is entirely your decision, not an inherent property of this content.</quote>It doesn't matter that I enjoyed the game if my life is ruined because there are levels that I will never get to play because I already enjoyed the game. I can only enjoy videogames if I can enjoy all of the content in a game, past present and future. It doesn't matter that I enjoyed the game, I must live knowing that I enjoyed ALL of the game past present and future. <quote>Not really. It means that games that didn't sell very well because of the platform they were on get to have the sales they deserve and more people get to enjoy them. Over 20 million people (and probably pushing 25, in all likelihood) have gotten to play Mario Kart 8 solely because it was ported to the Switch. More people enjoying games is never a problem.</quote>It's a problem that those who bought the Wii U got a shit deal compared to every other Nintendo console. If I buy a Nintendo console, I should get a Nintendo console, not a piece of shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/22/21 12:16:36 PM #121:	But its not wrong. They want to rerelease it with more stuff. Thats perfectly fine... I don.this see why you think its wrong to make more for a game. Sounds pretty selfish, tbh... More of that entitlement slipping through... It's not wrong to make more for a game. But if you want to make more of a game, don't charge it $60 to someone who already bought the game when there is 3 hours of new content. And of course I'm selfish, everyone is. Nope. They arent. Youre actually very different than they are... There are plenty of people who want the complete definitive edition of a game. Remember when people complained about DLC? <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949791341] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>But its not wrong. They want to rerelease it with more stuff. Thats perfectly fine... I don.this see why you think its wrong to make more for a game. Sounds pretty selfish, tbh... More of that entitlement slipping through...</quote>It's not wrong to make more for a game. But if you want to make more of a game, don't charge it $60 to someone who already bought the game when there is 3 hours of new content. And of course I'm selfish, everyone is. <quote>Nope. They arent. Youre actually very different than they are...</quote>There are plenty of people who want the complete definitive edition of a game. Remember when people complained about DLC? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/22/21 12:26:39 PM #122:	Master_Magnus posted... It's not wrong to make more for a game. But if you want to make more of a game, don't charge it $60 to someone who already bought the game when there is 3 hours of new content. And of course I'm selfish, everyone is. They can. And have to. They dont give games away for free. And thats what you want. You have it for Wii U. So, if you want Bowsers Furt for Switch, youd have to get the game for Switch first. Its ridiculous to think they would Just give you a whole game for free... Master_Magnus posted... There are plenty of people who want the complete definitive edition of a game. Remember when people complained about DLC? The problem with DLC was when it stuff like Asuras Wrath or whatever. Whens its actually extra stuff, most people are fine. Not to mention, this is buying a full game with extra stuff. Its probably like MK8D. Where it was mostly people who didnt have the game buying it. Youre the only one who selfishly thinks only you and other Wii U owners are the only ones who deserve it... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949791732] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>It's not wrong to make more for a game. But if you want to make more of a game, don't charge it $60 to someone who already bought the game when there is 3 hours of new content. And of course I'm selfish, everyone is.</quote> They can. And have to. They dont give games away for free. And thats what you want. You have it for Wii U. So, if you want Bowsers Furt for Switch, youd have to get the game for Switch first. Its ridiculous to think they would Just give you a whole game for free... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>There are plenty of people who want the complete definitive edition of a game. Remember when people complained about DLC?</quote> The problem with DLC was when it stuff like Asuras Wrath or whatever. Whens its actually extra stuff, most people are fine. Not to mention, this is buying a full game with extra stuff. Its probably like MK8D. Where it was mostly people who didnt have the game buying it. Youre the only one who selfishly thinks only you and other Wii U owners are the only ones who deserve it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/22/21 12:46:37 PM #123:	Master_Magnus posted... They already know who bought a digital copy of the game. They would if the account system were that robust and that information were carried over between systems. It probably should be, since it's 2021 and all, but there's little point now in upgrading the firmware for a system that's been dead for four years just to enable the handful of people that care about this bonus content to buy it at a reduced price. That would be a sizable amount of work for very little return. Master_Magnus posted... If they don't already have serial numbers for game discs, just let people trade in their physical copy to get the port with a discount. Easy. Coordinating a physical buyback program is very much not easy. Even ignoring the man-hours that would be involved in organizing it, they'd likely end up paying more than the $10 you're hoping for just to ship the two games (retrieving the old copy and sending the new one out), let alone how much of the sale price would go toward the store itself. There's almost no chance that idea would actually make money. The only way it's at all practical to get this content to people who own the original is to sell it as a standalone purchase. It remains to be seen whether or not it's enough content to be worth doing so. Master_Magnus posted... Those tens of thousands of games aren't worth playing. Really? You really think that you've played every single game ever released that's worth playing? That there's nothing out there that you'd have fun with if you only knew it existed and could get your hands on a copy? Or, for that matter, that you've never missed out on enjoyable content in a game you have played because you didn't push for 100% completion? That, I can tell you, is very much not true, and you're kidding yourself to think that it is. Your gaming experience is a tiny fraction of the experience that is available. It always will be, because there simply aren't enough hours in the day to play everything that's worth playing (to say nothing of essential things like eating and sleeping and making the money needed to buy those games). You get by just fine missing out on that content, you'll get by just fine missing out on this. Master_Magnus posted... They've never been an issue because I wasn't screwed. You still aren't screwed. Not by any real measure. Master_Magnus posted... Now I am and I will not stop fixating on this until it is solved. The "problem" only exists because you're fixating on it. If you stopped fixating on it, there would be no problem. Your fixation is the problem. Until you stop fixating, the problem will never be solved. Master_Magnus posted... Bowser's Fury is definitely going full Street Fighter. Bowser's Fury is a small amount of bonus content (the full scope of which is yet unknown) added to a single port released on a different system, 7 years after the original game's release. "Full Street Fighter" means releasing multiple ports, each with significant added content, usually on the same system because they've come out 1-2 years apart. The two are not remotely comparable. Master_Magnus posted... It doesn't matter that I enjoyed the game if my life is ruined because there are levels that I will never get to play because I already enjoyed the game. It doesn't matter for your happiness and satisfaction. It does matter for what the word "extra" means. The English language doesn't care about how satisfied you decide to be, and according to English semantics, it's extra content. By definition. Master_Magnus posted... It's a problem that those who bought the Wii U got a s** deal compared to every other Nintendo console.* They got a generation that was cut short by about a year, with a correspondingly smaller library of exclusive titles. That's kind of inevitable when a console fails commercially, but given how badly the WiiU did, that's about the best anyone could expect from it. I bought the console, I got games for it, I had enough fun overall to feel that the purchase was justified. That hardly sounds like a "shit deal" to me. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949792533] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>They already know who bought a digital copy of the game.</quote> They would if the account system were that robust and that information were carried over between systems. It probably should be, since it's 2021 and all, but there's little point now in upgrading the firmware for a system that's been dead for four years just to enable the handful of people that care about this bonus content to buy it at a reduced price. That would be a sizable amount of work for very little return. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If they don't already have serial numbers for game discs, just let people trade in their physical copy to get the port with a discount. Easy.</quote> Coordinating a physical buyback program is very much not easy. Even ignoring the man-hours that would be involved in organizing it, they'd likely end up paying more than the $10 you're hoping for just to ship the two games (retrieving the old copy and sending the new one out), let alone how much of the sale price would go toward the store itself. There's almost no chance that idea would actually make money. The only way it's at all practical to get this content to people who own the original is to sell it as a standalone purchase. It remains to be seen whether or not it's enough content to be worth doing so. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Those tens of thousands of games aren't worth playing.</quote> Really? You really think that you've played every single game ever released that's worth playing? That there's nothing out there that you'd have fun with if you only knew it existed and could get your hands on a copy? Or, for that matter, that you've never missed out on enjoyable content in a game you have played because you didn't push for 100% completion? That, I can tell you, is very much not true, and you're kidding yourself to think that it is. Your gaming experience is a tiny fraction of the experience that is available. It always will be, because there simply aren't enough hours in the day to play everything that's worth playing (to say nothing of essential things like eating and sleeping and making the money needed to buy those games). You get by just fine missing out on that content, you'll get by just fine missing out on this. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>They've never been an issue because I wasn't screwed.</quote> You still aren't screwed. Not by any real measure. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Now I am and I will not stop fixating on this until it is solved.</quote> The "problem" only exists because you're fixating on it. If you stopped fixating on it, there would be no problem. Your fixation is the problem. Until you stop fixating, the problem will never be solved. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Bowser's Fury is definitely going full Street Fighter.</quote> Bowser's Fury is a small amount of bonus content (the full scope of which is yet unknown) added to a single port released on a different system, 7 years after the original game's release. "Full Street Fighter" means releasing multiple ports, each with significant added content, usually on the same system because they've come out 1-2 years apart. The two are not remotely comparable. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't matter that I enjoyed the game if my life is ruined because there are levels that I will never get to play because I already enjoyed the game.</quote> It doesn't matter for your happiness and satisfaction. It does matter for what the word "extra" means. The English language doesn't care about how satisfied you decide to be, and according to English semantics, it's extra content. By definition. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> It's a problem that those who bought the Wii U got a s*** deal compared to every other Nintendo console. They got a generation that was cut short by about a year, with a correspondingly smaller library of exclusive titles. That's kind of inevitable when a console fails commercially, but given how badly the WiiU did, that's about the best anyone could expect from it. I bought the console, I got games for it, I had enough fun overall to feel that the purchase was justified. That hardly sounds like a "shit deal" to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 01/22/21 1:22:07 PM #124:	this could go on forever --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:949793853] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>this could go on forever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/22/21 1:23:01 PM #125:	ReturnOfFa posted... this could go on forever It could, but I'm bored, so that's okay. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949793895] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>this could go on forever</quote> It could, but I'm bored, so that's okay. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 01/22/21 1:43:36 PM #126:	ReturnOfFa posted... this could go on forever I'm getting a DPSx7 vibe from that dude but I think even DPSx7 would've given up by now lol --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:949794729] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfFa posted... </cite> <quote>this could go on forever</quote>I'm getting a DPSx7 vibe from that dude but I think even DPSx7 would've given up by now lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/22/21 1:52:27 PM #127:	Far-Queue posted... I'm getting a DPSx7 vibe from that dude but I think even DPSx7 would've given up by now lol DPSx7 would just say he won, and then leave... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949795038] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Far-Queue posted...</cite> <quote>I'm getting a DPSx7 vibe from that dude but I think even DPSx7 would've given up by now lol </quote> DPSx7 would just say he won, and then leave...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/22/21 4:28:27 PM #129:	They can. And have to. They dont give games away for free. And thats what you want. You have it for Wii U. So, if you want Bowsers Furt for Switch, youd have to get the game for Switch first. Its ridiculous to think they would Just give you a whole game for free... I don't want it for free. I just want it at a reasonable price for the new levels. The problem with DLC was when it stuff like Asuras Wrath or whatever. Whens its actually extra stuff, most people are fine. Not to mention, this is buying a full game with extra stuff. Its probably like MK8D. Where it was mostly people who didnt have the game buying it. Youre the only one who selfishly thinks only you and other Wii U owners are the only ones who deserve it... No, the problem with DLC was that you had to pay for extras, and most people want everything included in a $60 game. That, I can tell you, is very much not true, and you're kidding yourself to think that it is. Your gaming experience is a tiny fraction of the experience that is available. It always will be, because there simply aren't enough hours in the day to play everything that's worth playing (to say nothing of essential things like eating and sleeping and making the money needed to buy those games). You get by just fine missing out on that content, you'll get by just fine missing out on this. I am fine missing out on games that I chose not to play at all, but I can never live without Bowser's Fury, because Super Mario 3D World hooked me, and once I'm hooked on a game, I cannot live without playing every single level in that game. Bowser's Fury is literally the one game that I cannot live without. But I cannot buy the game again at $60, because if I let Nintendo take advantage of my addiction I will end up broke like people with a gambling addiction. That is why these ports are bad: they ruin the lives of people who want all the content in their games. Bowser's Fury is a small amount of bonus content (the full scope of which is yet unknown) added to a single port released on a different system, 7 years after the original game's release. "Full Street Fighter" means releasing multiple ports, each with significant added content, usually on the same system because they've come out 1-2 years apart. The two are not remotely comparable. Bowser's Fury is significant added content, that is obvious just looking at the trailer. Even 3 hours is significant. The time that it takes for a port to happen doesn't matter. If Street Fighter is bad, so is Bowser's Fury. The "problem" only exists because you're fixating on it. If you stopped fixating on it, there would be no problem. Your fixation is the problem. Until you stop fixating, the problem will never be solved. I literally cannot stop fixating. If I buy a game and end up hooked on a game, I must play all of the content in the game (unless that content is trash) without being a whale like those who buy every single port of every game. That is how I play games, and I cannot change that, it is how I am. The problem can only be solved if gamers boycott any game dev that pulls a Street Fighter so that I can go back to playing videogames and never worry about missing out any content on any game I buy. this could go on forever It will go on as long as people defend game devs pulling a Street Fighter. Even if you don't agree with me, it's in your best interest if gamers boycott game devs that pull a Street Fighter. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949800613] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>They can. And have to. They dont give games away for free. And thats what you want. You have it for Wii U. So, if you want Bowsers Furt for Switch, youd have to get the game for Switch first. Its ridiculous to think they would Just give you a whole game for free...</quote> I don't want it for free. I just want it at a reasonable price for the new levels. <quote>The problem with DLC was when it stuff like Asuras Wrath or whatever. Whens its actually extra stuff, most people are fine. Not to mention, this is buying a full game with extra stuff. Its probably like MK8D. Where it was mostly people who didnt have the game buying it. Youre the only one who selfishly thinks only you and other Wii U owners are the only ones who deserve it...</quote>No, the problem with DLC was that you had to pay for extras, and most people want everything included in a $60 game. <quote>That, I can tell you, is very much not true, and you're kidding yourself to think that it is. Your gaming experience is a tiny fraction of the experience that is available. It always will be, because there simply aren't enough hours in the day to play everything that's worth playing (to say nothing of essential things like eating and sleeping and making the money needed to buy those games). You get by just fine missing out on that content, you'll get by just fine missing out on this.</quote> I am fine missing out on games that I chose not to play at all, but I can never live without Bowser's Fury, because Super Mario 3D World hooked me, and once I'm hooked on a game, I cannot live without playing every single level in that game. Bowser's Fury is literally the one game that I cannot live without. But I cannot buy the game again at $60, because if I let Nintendo take advantage of my addiction I will end up broke like people with a gambling addiction. That is why these ports are bad: they ruin the lives of people who want all the content in their games. <quote>Bowser's Fury is a small amount of bonus content (the full scope of which is yet unknown) added to a single port released on a different system, 7 years after the original game's release. "Full Street Fighter" means releasing multiple ports, each with significant added content, usually on the same system because they've come out 1-2 years apart. The two are not remotely comparable.</quote>Bowser's Fury is significant added content, that is obvious just looking at the trailer. Even 3 hours is significant. The time that it takes for a port to happen doesn't matter. If Street Fighter is bad, so is Bowser's Fury. <quote>The "problem" only exists because you're fixating on it. If you stopped fixating on it, there would be no problem. Your fixation is the problem. Until you stop fixating, the problem will never be solved.</quote> I literally cannot stop fixating. If I buy a game and end up hooked on a game, I must play all of the content in the game (unless that content is trash) without being a whale like those who buy every single port of every game. That is how I play games, and I cannot change that, it is how I am. The problem can only be solved if gamers boycott any game dev that pulls a Street Fighter so that I can go back to playing videogames and never worry about missing out any content on any game I buy. <quote>this could go on forever</quote>It will go on as long as people defend game devs pulling a Street Fighter. Even if you don't agree with me, it's in your best interest if gamers boycott game devs that pull a Street Fighter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 01/22/21 4:30:38 PM #130:	this is the dumbest argument lol --- hoes mad <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:949800679] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>this is the dumbest argument lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 01/22/21 5:26:07 PM #131:	Master_Magnus posted... I don't want it for free. I just want it at a reasonable price for the new levels. And they may sell it depending on how much content there is. But there has to be enough content to warrant selling it on its own. If not, then youll have to buy the switch version... Master_Magnus posted... No, the problem with DLC was that you had to pay for extras, and most people want everything included in a $60 game. Nope. Most people understand that extra stuff cost extra. Plus, this is literally everything for $60. If that was really the problem, then you shouldnt have a problem with this game. But most people are fine with DLC. Because you dont have to spend extra money to buy it if you dont want to. Which people are fine with since its a choice. Bad DLC (like Asuras Wrath) sucks. But most DLC isnt like that these days. Especially when it comes to Nintendo. They actually do well with DLC. They even give random things away for free in games sometimes... I get emails with codes sometimes... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:949802625] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>I don't want it for free. I just want it at a reasonable price for the new levels.</quote> And they may sell it depending on how much content there is. But there has to be enough content to warrant selling it on its own. If not, then youll have to buy the switch version... Master_Magnus posted...</cite> <quote>No, the problem with DLC was that you had to pay for extras, and most people want everything included in a $60 game.</quote> Nope. Most people understand that extra stuff cost extra. Plus, this is literally everything for $60. If that was really the problem, then you shouldnt have a problem with this game. But most people are fine with DLC. Because you dont have to spend extra money to buy it if you dont want to. Which people are fine with since its a choice. Bad DLC (like Asuras Wrath) sucks. But most DLC isnt like that these days. Especially when it comes to Nintendo. They actually do well with DLC. They even give random things away for free in games sometimes... I get emails with codes sometimes...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/22/21 5:38:40 PM #132:	Master_Magnus posted... That is why these ports are bad: they ruin the lives of people who want all the content in their games. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949803103] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>That is why these ports are bad: they ruin the lives of people who want all the content in their games.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/23/21 10:01:55 AM #133:	Master_Magnus posted... I am fine missing out on games that I chose not to play at all, I can guarantee most of the games you've missed out on have been missed not because you chose to skip them, but because you weren't aware of them. Many more have been missed because you said "maybe I'll get that later" and never did (whether because you forgot or simply missed the window where it was available for sale). Master_Magnus posted... but I can never live without Bowser's Fury You have lived without it, and you will continue to live without it. Master_Magnus posted... But I cannot buy the game again at $60, because if I let Nintendo take advantage of my addiction I will end up broke like people with a gambling addiction. You're not going to end up broke over paying $60 for a port every half decade (or if you are, you shouldn't be paying $60 for games in the first place). If you're really concerned about how much it might cost to yield to your compulsion to own every piece of content for game, put together a concrete plan for which ones to buy and when so you can budget appropriately. In the hypothetical scenario that you've concocted where publishers just rerelease the same games over and over with marginally more content each time, you don't need to buy every single iteration to get all of it. You just need to buy, say, every 5th one, dramatically reducing the cost and ensuring that you get a more worthwhile amount of extra content for the purchase (plus, on that time scale, you'll probably be looking at different systems, which adds a convenience factor). You won't get to play all the content right away, but you'll get it all eventually. Quite simply, remakes aren't going away, and they're not going to stop adding extra content to be more appealing (note that one of the most common criticisms of Mario 3D All Stars is that they didn't do enough to make the rerelease better than the original: people want improvements from remakes), no matter how much you insist that they should. If you want to stop having a problem with that, that change is going to have to come from you. Master_Magnus posted... The time that it takes for a port to happen doesn't matter. It absolutely does. There's a world of difference between "I shouldn't bother buying this now because a better version will come out next year" and "I shouldn't bother buying this now because there might be a better version in 5-10 years." Waiting a year for a noteworthy upgrade is reasonable, as is being frustrated by a release that obviates a year-old game (especially in a genre where staying on top of current content is so vital to the multiplayer aspect). Waiting half a decade for a minor one is not. Master_Magnus posted... I literally cannot stop fixating. Sure you can. It'll likely take years of therapy and a constant conscious effort to discourage yourself from falling into self-destructive thought processes, because that's the nature of such compulsions, but it's far from impossible. Master_Magnus posted... The problem can only be solved if gamers boycott any game dev that pulls a Street Fighter so that I can go back to playing videogames and never worry about missing out any content on any game I buy. Gamers can't even be convinced to boycott EA. You're certainly not going to convince them to boycott Nintendo over enhancing a 7-year-old game when porting it to a new system (which is very much not "pulling a Street Fighter"), especially considering that you're the only person who has this much of a problem with it. You'll be very hard-pressed to find anyone else who bought SM3DW near its launch and is anything worse than mildly annoyed by this. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949824377] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I am fine missing out on games that I chose not to play at all,</quote> I can guarantee most of the games you've missed out on have been missed not because you chose to skip them, but because you weren't aware of them. Many more have been missed because you said "maybe I'll get that later" and never did (whether because you forgot or simply missed the window where it was available for sale). Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>but I can never live without Bowser's Fury</quote> You have lived without it, and you will continue to live without it. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>But I cannot buy the game again at $60, because if I let Nintendo take advantage of my addiction I will end up broke like people with a gambling addiction.</quote> You're not going to end up broke over paying $60 for a port every half decade (or if you are, you shouldn't be paying $60 for games in the first place). If you're really concerned about how much it might cost to yield to your compulsion to own every piece of content for game, put together a concrete plan for which ones to buy and when so you can budget appropriately. In the hypothetical scenario that you've concocted where publishers just rerelease the same games over and over with marginally more content each time, you don't need to buy every single iteration to get all of it. You just need to buy, say, every 5th one, dramatically reducing the cost and ensuring that you get a more worthwhile amount of extra content for the purchase (plus, on that time scale, you'll probably be looking at different systems, which adds a convenience factor). You won't get to play all the content right away, but you'll get it all eventually. Quite simply, remakes aren't going away, and they're not going to stop adding extra content to be more appealing (note that one of the most common criticisms of Mario 3D All Stars is that they didn't do enough to make the rerelease better than the original: people want improvements from remakes), no matter how much you insist that they should. If you want to stop having a problem with that, that change is going to have to come from you. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>The time that it takes for a port to happen doesn't matter.</quote> It absolutely does. There's a world of difference between "I shouldn't bother buying this now because a better version will come out next year" and "I shouldn't bother buying this now because there might be a better version in 5-10 years." Waiting a year for a noteworthy upgrade is reasonable, as is being frustrated by a release that obviates a year-old game (especially in a genre where staying on top of current content is so vital to the multiplayer aspect). Waiting half a decade for a minor one is not. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I literally cannot stop fixating.</quote> Sure you can. It'll likely take years of therapy and a constant conscious effort to discourage yourself from falling into self-destructive thought processes, because that's the nature of such compulsions, but it's far from impossible. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>The problem can only be solved if gamers boycott any game dev that pulls a Street Fighter so that I can go back to playing videogames and never worry about missing out any content on any game I buy.</quote> Gamers can't even be convinced to boycott EA. You're certainly not going to convince them to boycott Nintendo over enhancing a 7-year-old game when porting it to a new system (which is very much not "pulling a Street Fighter"), especially considering that you're the only person who has this much of a problem with it. You'll be very hard-pressed to find anyone else who bought SM3DW near its launch and is anything worse than mildly annoyed by this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/23/21 10:42:06 AM #134:	I can guarantee most of the games you've missed out on have been missed not because you chose to skip them, but because you weren't aware of them. Many more have been missed because you said "maybe I'll get that later" and never did (whether because you forgot or simply missed the window where it was available for sale). If I'm not aware of a game it's most likely not worth playing. Almost every game worth playing is well known. You have lived without it, and you will continue to live without it. No i won't, I will play the game on an emulator if I have to. Problem is, emulators are dying out because game consoles are getting more and more complex, so next time I won't be so lucky You're not going to end up broke over paying $60 for a port every half decade (or if you are, you shouldn't be paying $60 for games in the first place). If you're really concerned about how much it might cost to yield to your compulsion to own every piece of content for game, put together a concrete plan for which ones to buy and when so you can budget appropriately. No plan will help when game devs re-release games. It's unacceptable to buy the same game twice ever. If I pay $60 for the base game, I'm not going to buy the base game ever again. Unless you have a crystal ball, no plan is going to help because you can't know when game devs will pull a Street Fighter. In the hypothetical scenario that you've concocted where publishers just rerelease the same games over and over with marginally more content each time, you don't need to buy every single iteration to get all of it. You just need to buy, say, every 5th one, dramatically reducing the cost and ensuring that you get a more worthwhile amount of extra content for the purchase (plus, on that time scale, you'll probably be looking at different systems, which adds a convenience factor). You won't get to play all the content right away, but you'll get it all eventually. If game devs re-release the same game forever I'll never get to play all the content ever because I'll always have to buy the same game again to get the new content. Quite simply, remakes aren't going away, and they're not going to stop adding extra content to be more appealing (note that one of the most common criticisms of Mario 3D All Stars is that they didn't do enough to make the rerelease better than the original: people want improvements from remakes), no matter how much you insist that they should. If you want to stop having a problem with that, that change is going to have to come from you. I'm never going to change. I cannot accept buying a game that I already own. It's the industry that must change to stop being shit. Sure you can. It'll likely take years of therapy and a constant conscious effort to discourage yourself from falling into self-destructive thought processes, because that's the nature of such compulsions, but it's far from impossible. You're just a rando on the internet, you have no idea of what I can or can't do. Gamers can't even be convinced to boycott EA. You're certainly not going to convince them to boycott Nintendo over enhancing a 7-year-old game when porting it to a new system (which is very much not "pulling a Street Fighter"), especially considering that you're the only person who has this much of a problem with it. You'll be very hard-pressed to find anyone else who bought SM3DW near its launch and is anything worse than mildly annoyed by this. I don't care. If you give an inch to corporations, they will take a mile. I will not give an inch to Nintendo. And I will convince as much people as I can not to give an inch to Nintendo. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949825367] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>I can guarantee most of the games you've missed out on have been missed not because you chose to skip them, but because you weren't aware of them. Many more have been missed because you said "maybe I'll get that later" and never did (whether because you forgot or simply missed the window where it was available for sale).</quote> If I'm not aware of a game it's most likely not worth playing. Almost every game worth playing is well known. <quote>You have lived without it, and you will continue to live without it.</quote>No i won't, I will play the game on an emulator if I have to. Problem is, emulators are dying out because game consoles are getting more and more complex, so next time I won't be so lucky <quote> You're not going to end up broke over paying $60 for a port every half decade (or if you are, you shouldn't be paying $60 for games in the first place). If you're really concerned about how much it might cost to yield to your compulsion to own every piece of content for game, put together a concrete plan for which ones to buy and when so you can budget appropriately.</quote> No plan will help when game devs re-release games. It's unacceptable to buy the same game twice ever. If I pay $60 for the base game, I'm not going to buy the base game ever again. Unless you have a crystal ball, no plan is going to help because you can't know when game devs will pull a Street Fighter. <quote>In the hypothetical scenario that you've concocted where publishers just rerelease the same games over and over with marginally more content each time, you don't need to buy every single iteration to get all of it. You just need to buy, say, every 5th one, dramatically reducing the cost and ensuring that you get a more worthwhile amount of extra content for the purchase (plus, on that time scale, you'll probably be looking at different systems, which adds a convenience factor). You won't get to play all the content right away, but you'll get it all eventually.</quote> If game devs re-release the same game forever I'll never get to play all the content ever because I'll always have to buy the same game again to get the new content. <quote>Quite simply, remakes aren't going away, and they're not going to stop adding extra content to be more appealing (note that one of the most common criticisms of Mario 3D All Stars is that they didn't do enough to make the rerelease better than the original: people want improvements from remakes), no matter how much you insist that they should. If you want to stop having a problem with that, that change is going to have to come from you.</quote> I'm never going to change. I cannot accept buying a game that I already own. It's the industry that must change to stop being shit. <quote>Sure you can. It'll likely take years of therapy and a constant conscious effort to discourage yourself from falling into self-destructive thought processes, because that's the nature of such compulsions, but it's far from impossible.</quote>You're just a rando on the internet, you have no idea of what I can or can't do. <quote>Gamers can't even be convinced to boycott EA. You're certainly not going to convince them to boycott Nintendo over enhancing a 7-year-old game when porting it to a new system (which is very much not "pulling a Street Fighter"), especially considering that you're the only person who has this much of a problem with it. You'll be very hard-pressed to find anyone else who bought SM3DW near its launch and is anything worse than mildly annoyed by this.</quote>I don't care. If you give an inch to corporations, they will take a mile. I will not give an inch to Nintendo. And I will convince as much people as I can not to give an inch to Nintendo. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/23/21 11:06:35 AM #135:	Master_Magnus posted... If I'm not aware of a game it's most likely not worth playing. Almost every game worth playing is well known. The very concepts of "hidden gems" and "cult classics" laugh at how obviously wrong this is. Master_Magnus posted... No plan will help when game devs re-release games. It's unacceptable to buy the same game twice ever. If I pay $60 for the base game, I'm not going to buy the base game ever again. Unless you have a crystal ball, no plan is going to help because you can't know when game devs will pull a Street Fighter. Any plan will help you when it comes to long-term financial decisions. Master_Magnus posted... If game devs re-release the same game forever I'll never get to play all the content ever because I'll always have to buy the same game again to get the new content. Hence you skip most of the remakes and only buy them occasionally so you can catch up on whatever content you've been missing. If, hypothetically, Nintendo continues to rerelease SM3DW every 7 years (which they won't, because this is obviously a matter of salvaging effort that was wasted on the WiiU and not a long-term remake strategy), adding new content each time, you can pick up whatever remake comes out in 2049 and get 5 remakes worth of content for $60. Do that again in 2084 and you get another 5 remakes worth of content. Maybe buy another one before you die (by 2084, I'm guessing you'll be well into your 80's, and the next ones would be in 2091 and 2098) if you really want to go out having completed everything that will ever be associated with the game, and you've spent a grand total of $240 on the game over the course of your entire life. $150 if you wait until the remakes are down to $30 before buying them (which is pretty sensible). That's really not the end of the world. Should you do that with every game? Obviously not. That's really only justifiable for games you really love that are getting worthwhile content with every remake, such that you want to continue supporting them and it's worth paying for some extra content here and there. But the notion that you can't keep up with new content releases without driving yourself into bankruptcy is obviously nonsense. There's plenty of financially sustainable middle ground between the two extremes of buying every remake immediately and categorically refusing to ever buy any remake. Master_Magnus posted... You're just a rando on the internet, you have no idea of what I can or can't do. You're just a human. Your abilities and disabilities are nothing special. You can do the same things any other human can do. It just might take a bit more work. Master_Magnus posted... I don't care. If you give an inch to corporations, they will take a mile. I will not give an inch to Nintendo. And I will convince as much people as I can not to give an inch to Nintendo. As I've said, they've already had this inch for literally decades. They've been rereleasing games with added content for almost as long as they've been releasing games, and despite having more of a retro library to exploit than any other publisher by far, they've been pretty reasonable about it. If they haven't taken the mile by now, they probably aren't going to. On the off chance they do take the mile and go full Street Fighter with their rereleases (which, despite your insistence, they clearly have not)? It's very easy to say "that's not worth buying, so I won't buy it" and/or "If they're going to remake this soon anyway, I might as well wait for a few more versions before buying it," solving the actual problem in its entirety very simply. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949825996] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If I'm not aware of a game it's most likely not worth playing. Almost every game worth playing is well known.</quote> The very concepts of "hidden gems" and "cult classics" laugh at how obviously wrong this is. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>No plan will help when game devs re-release games. It's unacceptable to buy the same game twice ever. If I pay $60 for the base game, I'm not going to buy the base game ever again. Unless you have a crystal ball, no plan is going to help because you can't know when game devs will pull a Street Fighter.</quote> Any plan will help you when it comes to long-term financial decisions. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If game devs re-release the same game forever I'll never get to play all the content ever because I'll always have to buy the same game again to get the new content.</quote> Hence you skip most of the remakes and only buy them occasionally so you can catch up on whatever content you've been missing. If, hypothetically, Nintendo continues to rerelease SM3DW every 7 years (which they won't, because this is obviously a matter of salvaging effort that was wasted on the WiiU and not a long-term remake strategy), adding new content each time, you can pick up whatever remake comes out in 2049 and get 5 remakes worth of content for $60. Do that again in 2084 and you get another 5 remakes worth of content. Maybe buy another one before you die (by 2084, I'm guessing you'll be well into your 80's, and the next ones would be in 2091 and 2098) if you really want to go out having completed everything that will ever be associated with the game, and you've spent a grand total of $240 on the game over the course of your entire life. $150 if you wait until the remakes are down to $30 before buying them (which is pretty sensible). That's really not the end of the world. Should you do that with every game? Obviously not. That's really only justifiable for games you really love that are getting worthwhile content with every remake, such that you want to continue supporting them and it's worth paying for some extra content here and there. But the notion that you can't keep up with new content releases without driving yourself into bankruptcy is obviously nonsense. There's plenty of financially sustainable middle ground between the two extremes of buying every remake immediately and categorically refusing to ever buy any remake. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>You're just a rando on the internet, you have no idea of what I can or can't do.</quote> You're just a human. Your abilities and disabilities are nothing special. You can do the same things any other human can do. It just might take a bit more work. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I don't care. If you give an inch to corporations, they will take a mile. I will not give an inch to Nintendo. And I will convince as much people as I can not to give an inch to Nintendo.</quote> As I've said, they've already had this inch for literally decades. They've been rereleasing games with added content for almost as long as they've been releasing games, and despite having more of a retro library to exploit than any other publisher by far, they've been pretty reasonable about it. If they haven't taken the mile by now, they probably aren't going to. On the off chance they do take the mile and go full Street Fighter with their rereleases (which, despite your insistence, they clearly have not)? It's very easy to say "that's not worth buying, so I won't buy it" and/or "If they're going to remake this soon anyway, I might as well wait for a few more versions before buying it," solving the actual problem in its entirety very simply. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/23/21 12:22:45 PM #136:	The very concepts of "hidden gems" and "cult classics" laugh at how obviously wrong this is. If any hidden gem or cult classic was as good as a good Nintendo game, I would have heard of it by now. Any plan will help you when it comes to long-term financial decisions. It doesn't help to avoid buying the same game twice. Hence you skip most of the remakes and only buy them occasionally so you can catch up on whatever content you've been missing. If, hypothetically, Nintendo continues to rerelease SM3DW every 7 years (which they won't, because this is obviously a matter of salvaging effort that was wasted on the WiiU and not a long-term remake strategy), adding new content each time, you can pick up whatever remake comes out in 2049 and get 5 remakes worth of content for $60. Do that again in 2084 and you get another 5 remakes worth of content. Maybe buy another one before you die (by 2084, I'm guessing you'll be well into your 80's, and the next ones would be in 2091 and 2098) if you really want to go out having completed everything that will ever be associated with the game, and you've spent a grand total of $240 on the game over the course of your entire life. $150 if you wait until the remakes are down to $30 before buying them (which is pretty sensible). That's really not the end of the world. Then I will spend $240 on maybe $80 worth of content. It's still a ripoff. I cannot afford videogames if I let every game company rip me off. But the notion that you can't keep up with new content releases without driving yourself into bankruptcy is obviously nonsense. There's plenty of financially sustainable middle ground between the two extremes of buying every remake immediately and categorically refusing to ever buy any remake. The middle ground is still a ripoff. I can't enjoy videogames if I get ripped off. You're just a human. Your abilities and disabilities are nothing special. You can do the same things any other human can do. It just might take a bit more work. My brain is literally wired different from an average human. Unless you have a psychology degree, you are talking out of your ass. As I've said, they've already had this inch for literally decades. They've been rereleasing games with added content for almost as long as they've been releasing games, and despite having more of a retro library to exploit than any other publisher by far, they've been pretty reasonable about it. If they haven't taken the mile by now, they probably aren't going to. On the off chance they do take the mile and go full Street Fighter with their rereleases (which, despite your insistence, they clearly have not)? It's very easy to say "that's not worth buying, so I won't buy it" and/or "If they're going to remake this soon anyway, I might as well wait for a few more versions before buying it," solving the actual problem in its entirety very simply. They have a bigger inch now than decades ago. They had never ported every single game from one console to the next one, but they did exactly that with Wii U. And I can't know when they are going to remake a game and I can't live with missing content on any game that I love. I bought Super Mario 3D World because Nintendo hadn't ported a Mario game in over a decade, they promised they would support the Wii U and they never ported every game from one console to the next one. I still got fucked despite knowing Nintendo better than anyone else. Unless I can buy any game and be 100% certain that I will never miss out on anything and never have to buy the game again, then the problem is not solved. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949828010] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>The very concepts of "hidden gems" and "cult classics" laugh at how obviously wrong this is.</quote>If any hidden gem or cult classic was as good as a good Nintendo game, I would have heard of it by now. <quote>Any plan will help you when it comes to long-term financial decisions.</quote>It doesn't help to avoid buying the same game twice. <quote>Hence you skip most of the remakes and only buy them occasionally so you can catch up on whatever content you've been missing. If, hypothetically, Nintendo continues to rerelease SM3DW every 7 years (which they won't, because this is obviously a matter of salvaging effort that was wasted on the WiiU and not a long-term remake strategy), adding new content each time, you can pick up whatever remake comes out in 2049 and get 5 remakes worth of content for $60. Do that again in 2084 and you get another 5 remakes worth of content. Maybe buy another one before you die (by 2084, I'm guessing you'll be well into your 80's, and the next ones would be in 2091 and 2098) if you really want to go out having completed everything that will ever be associated with the game, and you've spent a grand total of $240 on the game over the course of your entire life. $150 if you wait until the remakes are down to $30 before buying them (which is pretty sensible). That's really not the end of the world.</quote>Then I will spend $240 on maybe $80 worth of content. It's still a ripoff. I cannot afford videogames if I let every game company rip me off. <quote>But the notion that you can't keep up with new content releases without driving yourself into bankruptcy is obviously nonsense. There's plenty of financially sustainable middle ground between the two extremes of buying every remake immediately and categorically refusing to ever buy any remake.</quote>The middle ground is still a ripoff. I can't enjoy videogames if I get ripped off. <quote>You're just a human. Your abilities and disabilities are nothing special. You can do the same things any other human can do. It just might take a bit more work.</quote>My brain is literally wired different from an average human. Unless you have a psychology degree, you are talking out of your ass. <quote>As I've said, they've already had this inch for literally decades. They've been rereleasing games with added content for almost as long as they've been releasing games, and despite having more of a retro library to exploit than any other publisher by far, they've been pretty reasonable about it. If they haven't taken the mile by now, they probably aren't going to. On the off chance they do take the mile and go full Street Fighter with their rereleases (which, despite your insistence, they clearly have not)? It's very easy to say "that's not worth buying, so I won't buy it" and/or "If they're going to remake this soon anyway, I might as well wait for a few more versions before buying it," solving the actual problem in its entirety very simply.</quote>They have a bigger inch now than decades ago. They had never ported every single game from one console to the next one, but they did exactly that with Wii U. And I can't know when they are going to remake a game and I can't live with missing content on any game that I love. I bought Super Mario 3D World because Nintendo hadn't ported a Mario game in over a decade, they promised they would support the Wii U and they never ported every game from one console to the next one. I still got fucked despite knowing Nintendo better than anyone else. Unless I can buy any game and be 100% certain that I will never miss out on anything and never have to buy the game again, then the problem is not solved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TonyCIifton 01/23/21 12:36:02 PM #137:	Master_Magnus posted... If any hidden gem or cult classic was as good as a good Nintendo game, I would have heard of it by now. It doesn't help to avoid buying the same game twice. Then I will spend $240 on maybe $80 worth of content. It's still a ripoff. I cannot afford videogames if I let every game company rip me off. The middle ground is still a ripoff. I can't enjoy videogames if I get ripped off. My brain is literally wired different from an average human. Unless you have a psychology degree, you are talking out of your ass. They have a bigger inch now than decades ago. They had never ported every single game from one console to the next one, but they did exactly that with Wii U. And I can't know when they are going to remake a game and I can't live with missing content on any game that I love. I bought Super Mario 3D World because Nintendo hadn't ported a Mario game in over a decade, they promised they would support the Wii U and they never ported every game from one console to the next one. I still got fucked despite knowing Nintendo better than anyone else. Unless I can buy any game and be 100% certain that I will never miss out on anything and never have to buy the game again, then the problem is not solved. Lmao. You sound fucking ridiculous dude. Get over your entitled OCD bullshit and move on with your life. <cite>TonyCIifton posted [p:949828374] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If any hidden gem or cult classic was as good as a good Nintendo game, I would have heard of it by now. It doesn't help to avoid buying the same game twice. Then I will spend $240 on maybe $80 worth of content. It's still a ripoff. I cannot afford videogames if I let every game company rip me off. The middle ground is still a ripoff. I can't enjoy videogames if I get ripped off. My brain is literally wired different from an average human. Unless you have a psychology degree, you are talking out of your ass. They have a bigger inch now than decades ago. They had never ported every single game from one console to the next one, but they did exactly that with Wii U. And I can't know when they are going to remake a game and I can't live with missing content on any game that I love. I bought Super Mario 3D World because Nintendo hadn't ported a Mario game in over a decade, they promised they would support the Wii U and they never ported every game from one console to the next one. I still got fucked despite knowing Nintendo better than anyone else. Unless I can buy any game and be 100% certain that I will never miss out on anything and never have to buy the game again, then the problem is not solved.</quote>Lmao. You sound fucking ridiculous dude. Get over your entitled OCD bullshit and move on with your life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/23/21 1:34:37 PM #138:	Master_Magnus posted... If any hidden gem or cult classic was as good as a good Nintendo game, I would have heard of it by now. You grossly underestimate just how large gaming's historical library is. Master_Magnus posted... It doesn't help to avoid buying the same game twice. It does, however, avoid that being a genuine problem, financially speaking. Master_Magnus posted... Then I will spend $240 on maybe $80 worth of content. It's still a ripoff. So you waste $160 bucks over the course of 70+ years. Not really worth worrying about. If that's still too hard to swallow, space out your purchases even more so you spend even less, or wait for the ports to go on sale. This is the planning I'm talking about. Master_Magnus posted... I cannot afford videogames if I let every game company rip me off. That's exactly the point: You space out the purchases so you can afford them. Master_Magnus posted... The middle ground is still a ripoff. I can't enjoy videogames if I get ripped off. It's not enough of a ripoff to get that upset about it. Master_Magnus posted... My brain is literally wired different from an average human. Unless you have a psychology degree, you are talking out of your ass. I know there are plenty of people with your problems that have been able to overcome them. Yes, it's going to be harder than for most, but it's still far from impossible. Master_Magnus posted... They have a bigger inch now than decades ago. They also have a much larger library of games to rerelease now than they did decades ago. It makes perfect sense that they'd be making more ports now. Master_Magnus posted... They had never ported every single game from one console to the next one, but they did exactly that with Wii U. They also never had a console fail that spectacularly after investing as many development resources into it as they did with the WiiU. A lot of talent and effort got wasted on the WiiU due to how few people were able to play its games. Porting them is obviously the best decision, both in terms of finances and in terms of respecting the developers' efforts and entertaining as many people as possible. Master_Magnus posted... And I can't know when they are going to remake a game Rule of thumb: If it's worth playing now, it'll still be worth playing in 20 years' time, and that means it's worth remaking so contemporary audiences can enjoy it. You can fairly safely assume that any reasonably popular game will eventually be remade, especially if it's a console exclusive (and therefore can't be played outside of its original generation) and/or has a lot of room to be improved on the technical front. Master_Magnus posted... I bought Super Mario 3D World because Nintendo hadn't ported a Mario game in over a decade No, you bought Super Mario 3D World because it looked like a fun game, which is presumably the same reason you bought Galaxy 1&2, Sunshine, and 64, despite all four of those coming out within a decade of a Mario port (64 was 3 years after All Stars, Sunshine was 9 years later, Galaxy 1&2 were 3 and 6 years after 64 DS, respectively). You're lying to yourself and to everyone around you if you think it was anything more than that (unless you also didn't buy any of the aforementioned four games, in which case... that's really weird, but carry on). I know you're desperately looking for some way to rationalize how you feel about Bowser's Fury, but you shouldn't pretend your original motivations for purchasing the original were anything more than what they were. That's just enabling yourself to avoid confronting harmful thoughts and behaviours. How you feel about Bowser's Fury is irrational. I know that you know this, and I know that you don't like it and are looking for anything you can grasp onto to avoid having to accept that. This is what psychologists call ego-dystonic anxiety: you're aware that it's wrong to feel it, but you can't help it. It's tempting to avoid it by making up whatever reasons you can find to convince yourself it's not irrational, but you can't keep up that charade, nor can you expect others to enable it for you. You need to accept that your feelings are irrational and learn to work around that fact, rather than pretending it isn't there. For what's it's worth, being frustrated by all of these ports is reasonable. It is annoying to have improved versions of games released so relatively soon after buying the originals, even if it's not going full Street Fighter. I'm not giving you a hard time for being frustrated by them, I'm giving you a hard time for feeling that your life has been ruined, throwing out objective falsehoods like "Nintendo lied to us and didn't make any exclusives for the WiiU," and demanding that the entire game industry reinvent a perfectly reasonable practice for no other reason than to satisfy your compulsions. There's a ton of middle ground between what you're doing and bending over and buying everything a second time, middle ground which I suspect most WiiU owners occupy (I myself have no plans to buy any of these remakes because I'm satisfied with the originals and the extra content isn't worth $60). That's where you should be, because that's a far more reasonable, healthy position to hold than working yourself into a frenzy like this. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949830199] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>If any hidden gem or cult classic was as good as a good Nintendo game, I would have heard of it by now.</quote> You grossly underestimate just how large gaming's historical library is. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>It doesn't help to avoid buying the same game twice.</quote> It does, however, avoid that being a genuine problem, financially speaking. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Then I will spend $240 on maybe $80 worth of content. It's still a ripoff.</quote> So you waste $160 bucks over the course of 70+ years. Not really worth worrying about. If that's still too hard to swallow, space out your purchases even more so you spend even less, or wait for the ports to go on sale. This is the planning I'm talking about. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I cannot afford videogames if I let every game company rip me off.</quote> That's exactly the point: You space out the purchases so you can afford them. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>The middle ground is still a ripoff. I can't enjoy videogames if I get ripped off.</quote> It's not enough of a ripoff to get that upset about it. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>My brain is literally wired different from an average human. Unless you have a psychology degree, you are talking out of your ass.</quote> I know there are plenty of people with your problems that have been able to overcome them. Yes, it's going to be harder than for most, but it's still far from impossible. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>They have a bigger inch now than decades ago.</quote> They also have a much larger library of games to rerelease now than they did decades ago. It makes perfect sense that they'd be making more ports now. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> They had never ported every single game from one console to the next one, but they did exactly that with Wii U. They also never had a console fail that spectacularly after investing as many development resources into it as they did with the WiiU. A lot of talent and effort got wasted on the WiiU due to how few people were able to play its games. Porting them is obviously the best decision, both in terms of finances and in terms of respecting the developers' efforts and entertaining as many people as possible. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> And I can't know when they are going to remake a game Rule of thumb: If it's worth playing now, it'll still be worth playing in 20 years' time, and that means it's worth remaking so contemporary audiences can enjoy it. You can fairly safely assume that any reasonably popular game will eventually be remade, especially if it's a console exclusive (and therefore can't be played outside of its original generation) and/or has a lot of room to be improved on the technical front. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> I bought Super Mario 3D World because Nintendo hadn't ported a Mario game in over a decade No, you bought Super Mario 3D World because it looked like a fun game, which is presumably the same reason you bought Galaxy 1&2, Sunshine, and 64, despite all four of those coming out within a decade of a Mario port (64 was 3 years after All Stars, Sunshine was 9 years later, Galaxy 1&2 were 3 and 6 years after 64 DS, respectively). You're lying to yourself and to everyone around you if you think it was anything more than that (unless you also didn't buy any of the aforementioned four games, in which case... that's really weird, but carry on). I know you're desperately looking for some way to rationalize how you feel about Bowser's Fury, but you shouldn't pretend your original motivations for purchasing the original were anything more than what they were. That's just enabling yourself to avoid confronting harmful thoughts and behaviours. How you feel about Bowser's Fury is irrational. I know that you know this, and I know that you don't like it and are looking for anything you can grasp onto to avoid having to accept that. This is what psychologists call ego-dystonic anxiety: you're aware that it's wrong to feel it, but you can't help it. It's tempting to avoid it by making up whatever reasons you can find to convince yourself it's not irrational, but you can't keep up that charade, nor can you expect others to enable it for you. You need to accept that your feelings are irrational and learn to work around that fact, rather than pretending it isn't there. For what's it's worth, being frustrated by all of these ports is reasonable. It is annoying to have improved versions of games released so relatively soon after buying the originals, even if it's not going full Street Fighter. I'm not giving you a hard time for being frustrated by them, I'm giving you a hard time for feeling that your life has been ruined, throwing out objective falsehoods like "Nintendo lied to us and didn't make any exclusives for the WiiU," and demanding that the entire game industry reinvent a perfectly reasonable practice for no other reason than to satisfy your compulsions. There's a ton of middle ground between what you're doing and bending over and buying everything a second time, middle ground which I suspect most WiiU owners occupy (I myself have no plans to buy any of these remakes because I'm satisfied with the originals and the extra content isn't worth $60). That's where you should be, because that's a far more reasonable, healthy position to hold than working yourself into a frenzy like this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/23/21 3:43:35 PM #139:	It's not enough of a ripoff to get that upset about it. Maybe not for you. For me it is. I can never justify buying a $60 game or even a $30 game for $10 DLC. They also never had a console fail that spectacularly after investing as many development resources into it as they did with the WiiU. A lot of talent and effort got wasted on the WiiU due to how few people were able to play its games. Porting them is obviously the best decision, both in terms of finances and in terms of respecting the developers' efforts and entertaining as many people as possible. Virtual Boy was a failure and all of its games are still exclusive. Gamecube, Saturn and Dreamcast were also failures and they all had more real exclusives than Wii U. The right decision was to keep those games exclusive for at least another generation to give the people who bought the Wii U the exclusives they deserved and to not sully Nintendo's legacy. A console maker must never burn those who bought their console, even if it means they lose money or the casuals don't get the games they want. Rule of thumb: If it's worth playing now, it'll still be worth playing in 20 years' time, and that means it's worth remaking so contemporary audiences can enjoy it. You can fairly safely assume that any reasonably popular game will eventually be remade, especially if it's a console exclusive (and therefore can't be played outside of its original generation) and/or has a lot of room to be improved on the technical front. Those remakes better not have new content then, because if they do, videogames are ruined forever. No, you bought Super Mario 3D World because it looked like a fun game, which is presumably the same reason you bought Galaxy 1&2, Sunshine, and 64, despite all four of those coming out within a decade of a Mario port (64 was 3 years after All Stars, Sunshine was 9 years later, Galaxy 1&2 were 3 and 6 years after 64 DS, respectively). You're lying to yourself and to everyone around you if you think it was anything more than that (unless you also didn't buy any of the aforementioned four games, in which case... that's really weird, but carry on). If I thought there was even the remote possibility Super Mario 3D World would be remade even 7 years later, then I would have not bought it and I would wait for the remake. I never buy games that I think that I can get a better deal later, even if the game is fun. I got Sunshine and 64 DS when I was a kid. Galaxy 1 and 2 were pirated, and my original Wii broke because of pirating games which is why I went legit with Wii U games. I know you're desperately looking for some way to rationalize how you feel about Bowser's Fury, but you shouldn't pretend your original motivations for purchasing the original were anything more than what they were. That's just enabling yourself to avoid confronting harmful thoughts and behaviours. How you feel about Bowser's Fury is irrational. I know that you know this, and I know that you don't like it and are looking for anything you can grasp onto to avoid having to accept that. This is what psychologists call ego-dystonic anxiety: you're aware that it's wrong to feel it, but you can't help it. It's tempting to avoid it by making up whatever reasons you can find to convince yourself it's not irrational, but you can't keep up that charade, nor can you expect others to enable it for you. You need to accept that your feelings are irrational and learn to work around that fact, rather than pretending it isn't there. No, people need to stop being fucking me over for buying the Wii U. If anyone had to be fucked over, it's the casuals, not me. And irrational != wrong. Just because I want to buy a fun game doesn't mean that I should be screwed over and miss out on other content forever. And stop playing armchair psychologist. For what's it's worth, being frustrated by all of these ports is reasonable. It is annoying to have improved versions of games released so relatively soon after buying the originals, even if it's not going full Street Fighter. I'm not giving you a hard time for being frustrated by them, I'm giving you a hard time for feeling that your life has been ruined, throwing out objective falsehoods like "Nintendo lied to us and didn't make any exclusives for the WiiU," and demanding that the entire game industry reinvent a perfectly reasonable practice for no other reason than to satisfy your compulsions. There's a ton of middle ground between what you're doing and bending over and buying everything a second time, middle ground which I suspect most WiiU owners occupy (I myself have no plans to buy any of these remakes because I'm satisfied with the originals and the extra content isn't worth $60). That's where you should be, because that's a far more reasonable, healthy position to hold than working yourself into a frenzy like this. I will never be happy if I have to choose between never getting all the content that I want and buying a whole game that I already bought and played just to get DLC, because I can never be happy with either choice. Even the middle ground is unacceptable unless the price of the ports sinks to nothing eventually, and that never happens with Nintendo games. And going Street Fighter is not a perfectly reasonable practice. And when I say Wii U had no real exclusives I am not saying a falsehood. The only exclusives that make a failed console worth buying are exclusives that are exclusive for decades like Virtual Boy and Gamecube had. If Nintendo wasn't going to give the Wii U real exclusives then Wii U was a ripoff because nobody would buy such a console if they could skip it and get all its games anyway. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949834022] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote><quote>It's not enough of a ripoff to get that upset about it.</quote>Maybe not for you. For me it is. I can never justify buying a $60 game or even a $30 game for $10 DLC. <quote>They also never had a console fail that spectacularly after investing as many development resources into it as they did with the WiiU. A lot of talent and effort got wasted on the WiiU due to how few people were able to play its games. Porting them is obviously the best decision, both in terms of finances and in terms of respecting the developers' efforts and entertaining as many people as possible.</quote>Virtual Boy was a failure and all of its games are still exclusive. Gamecube, Saturn and Dreamcast were also failures and they all had more real exclusives than Wii U. The right decision was to keep those games exclusive for at least another generation to give the people who bought the Wii U the exclusives they deserved and to not sully Nintendo's legacy. A console maker must never burn those who bought their console, even if it means they lose money or the casuals don't get the games they want. <quote>Rule of thumb: If it's worth playing now, it'll still be worth playing in 20 years' time, and that means it's worth remaking so contemporary audiences can enjoy it. You can fairly safely assume that any reasonably popular game will eventually be remade, especially if it's a console exclusive (and therefore can't be played outside of its original generation) and/or has a lot of room to be improved on the technical front.</quote>Those remakes better not have new content then, because if they do, videogames are ruined forever. <quote>No, you bought Super Mario 3D World because it looked like a fun game, which is presumably the same reason you bought Galaxy 1&2, Sunshine, and 64, despite all four of those coming out within a decade of a Mario port (64 was 3 years after All Stars, Sunshine was 9 years later, Galaxy 1&2 were 3 and 6 years after 64 DS, respectively). You're lying to yourself and to everyone around you if you think it was anything more than that (unless you also didn't buy any of the aforementioned four games, in which case... that's really weird, but carry on).</quote>If I thought there was even the remote possibility Super Mario 3D World would be remade even 7 years later, then I would have not bought it and I would wait for the remake. I never buy games that I think that I can get a better deal later, even if the game is fun. I got Sunshine and 64 DS when I was a kid. Galaxy 1 and 2 were pirated, and my original Wii broke because of pirating games which is why I went legit with Wii U games. <quote>I know you're desperately looking for some way to rationalize how you feel about Bowser's Fury, but you shouldn't pretend your original motivations for purchasing the original were anything more than what they were. That's just enabling yourself to avoid confronting harmful thoughts and behaviours. How you feel about Bowser's Fury is irrational. I know that you know this, and I know that you don't like it and are looking for anything you can grasp onto to avoid having to accept that. This is what psychologists call ego-dystonic anxiety: you're aware that it's wrong to feel it, but you can't help it. It's tempting to avoid it by making up whatever reasons you can find to convince yourself it's not irrational, but you can't keep up that charade, nor can you expect others to enable it for you. You need to accept that your feelings are irrational and learn to work around that fact, rather than pretending it isn't there.</quote>No, people need to stop being fucking me over for buying the Wii U. If anyone had to be fucked over, it's the casuals, not me. And irrational != wrong. Just because I want to buy a fun game doesn't mean that I should be screwed over and miss out on other content forever. And stop playing armchair psychologist. <quote>For what's it's worth, being frustrated by all of these ports is reasonable. It is annoying to have improved versions of games released so relatively soon after buying the originals, even if it's not going full Street Fighter. I'm not giving you a hard time for being frustrated by them, I'm giving you a hard time for feeling that your life has been ruined, throwing out objective falsehoods like "Nintendo lied to us and didn't make any exclusives for the WiiU," and demanding that the entire game industry reinvent a perfectly reasonable practice for no other reason than to satisfy your compulsions. There's a ton of middle ground between what you're doing and bending over and buying everything a second time, middle ground which I suspect most WiiU owners occupy (I myself have no plans to buy any of these remakes because I'm satisfied with the originals and the extra content isn't worth $60). That's where you should be, because that's a far more reasonable, healthy position to hold than working yourself into a frenzy like this.</quote>I will never be happy if I have to choose between never getting all the content that I want and buying a whole game that I already bought and played just to get DLC, because I can never be happy with either choice. Even the middle ground is unacceptable unless the price of the ports sinks to nothing eventually, and that never happens with Nintendo games. And going Street Fighter is not a perfectly reasonable practice. And when I say Wii U had no real exclusives I am not saying a falsehood. The only exclusives that make a failed console worth buying are exclusives that are exclusive for decades like Virtual Boy and Gamecube had. If Nintendo wasn't going to give the Wii U real exclusives then Wii U was a ripoff because nobody would buy such a console if they could skip it and get all its games anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 01/23/21 5:20:12 PM #140:	here you go, you have these games https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/01/video_13_great_wii_u_games_still_not_on_switch1 --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:949836903] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>here you go, you have these games https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2021/01/video_13_great_wii_u_games_still_not_on_switch1 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/23/21 6:00:03 PM #141:	Master_Magnus posted... Those remakes better not have new content then, because if they do, videogames are ruined forever. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949838135] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Those remakes better not have new content then, because if they do, videogames are ruined forever.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SilentSeph 01/25/21 9:34:14 AM #142:	This shot that Nintendo posted looks really cool --- Delicious and vicious, while maliciously nutritious. <cite>SilentSeph posted [p:949897133] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> This shot that Nintendo posted looks really cool </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/21 12:39:42 PM #143:	Master_Magnus posted... Maybe not for you. For me it is. Which is why everyone's telling you to chill. Master_Magnus posted... Virtual Boy was a failure and all of its games are still exclusive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Boy_games Do you see any games on that tiny list that are even worth porting? Master_Magnus posted... Gamecube, Saturn and Dreamcast were also failures and they all had more real exclusives than Wii U. They also existed in a time when third-party games weren't overwhelmingly multiplat (which meant skipping the WiiU in most cases due to the hardware disparity) and porting old games was just starting to take off. Their libraries were substantially larger due to that third-party support, and there was less interest in ports. Despite that, many of their noteworthy games were ported (again, SA2 and PSO were ported with extra content within a year, despite being major exclusive titles, TP never even came out as the GC exclusive it was meant to be...), as much as you'd like to believe otherwise. Master_Magnus posted... The right decision was to keep those games exclusive for at least another generation to give the people who bought the Wii U the exclusives they deserved and to not sully Nintendo's legacy. A console maker must never burn those who bought their console, even if it means they lose money or the casuals don't get the games they want. You keep saying this, but Nintendo's legacy is empirically fine. A lot of people (consumers and developers alike) were a bit wary of the Switch after how poorly the WiiU did, but it has overcome that initial skepticism and become Nintendo's second-best-selling console (and given how much momentum it's got, it may yet outsell the Wii). It really doesn't matter what you think they "deserve," Nintendo's managed to maintain their reputation and continue to operate as a successful game company. Also, as much as you seem to think this is a good time to blame "the casuals," there's really no reason to make a casual/core distinction when it comes to wanting to play these games. It was very much not just casuals that skipped the WiiU, nor is it just casuals that want to play the games they missed. Heck, you're talking about a Mario game here. Not exactly super hardcore. Master_Magnus posted... I never buy games that I think that I can get a better deal later, even if the game is fun. Then any discussion of "paying $60" should automatically be rendered moot. You can always get a better deal by waiting for prices to drop or for cheaper used copies to emerge. Even with how well Nintendo's first-party titles hold their value. If you're ever paying $60, then you're already making exceptions to that premise, so relying on it to justify being upset about enhanced ports is fundamentally flawed. Master_Magnus posted... Galaxy 1 and 2 were pirated, and my original Wii broke because of pirating games which is why I went legit with Wii U games. You pirated Nintendo's flagship titles and now you expect loyalty and special recognition from them simply for buying a WiiU? Just when I thought your entitlement couldn't get any more ridiculous... Master_Magnus posted... And irrational != wrong. It generally does, actually. At the very least, it's often counterproductive and results in measurably worse results than being rational does, as is clearly the case here. Master_Magnus posted... Just because I want to buy a fun game doesn't mean that I should be screwed over and miss out on other content forever. You are not screwed over (because it's bonus content in a video game, not anything actually meaningful) and you don't have to miss out on other content forever. You're just choosing not to accept any of the many solutions you've been offered here. Stop blaming other people for your own issues. Master_Magnus posted... And when I say Wii U had no real exclusives I am not saying a falsehood. It had games which you could not get on any other system. That's all "exclusive" has ever meant, and the only value the concept has ever had is to drive console sales. Now that it's dead and console sales have stopped, there's no reason to expect any further exclusivity than that. Master_Magnus posted... The only exclusives that make a failed console worth buying are exclusives that are exclusive for decades like Virtual Boy and Gamecube had. If Nintendo wasn't going to give the Wii U real exclusives then Wii U was a ripoff because nobody would buy such a console if they could skip it and get all its games anyway. You keep saying this like they expected the WiiU to fail and should have marketed it accordingly. Nobody releases a console with the intent of having it fail. That would be stupid. Console failures are mistakes that are only ever really recognized well into their generation when it becomes apparent that efforts to salvage it aren't working. Protip: Any time you buy a console, you're taking a gamble on whether or not it'll be worthwhile to own it, based on whether or not it ends up having enough of a library to satisfy you. You can minimize that risk by waiting until the end of the generation so you have a comprehensive understanding of the games it'll offer, but that carries the risk of causing you to miss out on less popular games that become hard to find (not to mention missing out on games because your wishlist ends up so big that some get overlooked). The best way to handle that is to wait for the console to have enough games for you to be happy with the purchase, then buy it. If it doesn't get any further support than that, that's disappointing, but you're already happy with what you've got. There's a world of difference between "I would have been happier with more support" and "I got ripped off." Master_Magnus posted... Those remakes better not have new content then, because if they do, videogames are ruined forever. They will. As I said, enhancing remakes is an essential part of marketing them. Sometimes, those enhancements are just graphical. Sometimes they take the form of new content, which most people actually prefer because that makes it a meaningful upgrade that's worth playing even if one has played the original. Personally, I automatically dismiss any remake of a game I already have that doesn't have new content, then with others, I make a judgement as to whether or not the new content is worth buying the remake for (it usually isn't). Either way, get used to it, because remakes are here to stay. If that's enough to "ruin video games forever" because you're just that much of a drama queen, perhaps you should start looking for a new hobby to save yourself some frustration. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949902984] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe not for you. For me it is.</quote> Which is why everyone's telling you to chill. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Virtual Boy was a failure and all of its games are still exclusive.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Virtual_Boy_games Do you see any games on that tiny list that are even worth porting? Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Gamecube, Saturn and Dreamcast were also failures and they all had more real exclusives than Wii U.</quote> They also existed in a time when third-party games weren't overwhelmingly multiplat (which meant skipping the WiiU in most cases due to the hardware disparity) and porting old games was just starting to take off. Their libraries were substantially larger due to that third-party support, and there was less interest in ports. Despite that, many of their noteworthy games were ported (again, SA2 and PSO were ported with extra content within a year, despite being major exclusive titles, TP never even came out as the GC exclusive it was meant to be...), as much as you'd like to believe otherwise. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>The right decision was to keep those games exclusive for at least another generation to give the people who bought the Wii U the exclusives they deserved and to not sully Nintendo's legacy. A console maker must never burn those who bought their console, even if it means they lose money or the casuals don't get the games they want.</quote> You keep saying this, but Nintendo's legacy is empirically fine. A lot of people (consumers and developers alike) were a bit wary of the Switch after how poorly the WiiU did, but it has overcome that initial skepticism and become Nintendo's second-best-selling console (and given how much momentum it's got, it may yet outsell the Wii). It really doesn't matter what you think they "deserve," Nintendo's managed to maintain their reputation and continue to operate as a successful game company. Also, as much as you seem to think this is a good time to blame "the casuals," there's really no reason to make a casual/core distinction when it comes to wanting to play these games. It was very much not just casuals that skipped the WiiU, nor is it just casuals that want to play the games they missed. Heck, you're talking about a Mario game here. Not exactly super hardcore. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I never buy games that I think that I can get a better deal later, even if the game is fun.</quote> Then any discussion of "paying $60" should automatically be rendered moot. You can always get a better deal by waiting for prices to drop or for cheaper used copies to emerge. Even with how well Nintendo's first-party titles hold their value. If you're ever paying $60, then you're already making exceptions to that premise, so relying on it to justify being upset about enhanced ports is fundamentally flawed. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Galaxy 1 and 2 were pirated, and my original Wii broke because of pirating games which is why I went legit with Wii U games.</quote> You pirated Nintendo's flagship titles and now you expect loyalty and special recognition from them simply for buying a WiiU? Just when I thought your entitlement couldn't get any more ridiculous... Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>And irrational != wrong.</quote> It generally does, actually. At the very least, it's often counterproductive and results in measurably worse results than being rational does, as is clearly the case here. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> Just because I want to buy a fun game doesn't mean that I should be screwed over and miss out on other content forever. You are not screwed over (because it's bonus content in a video game, not anything actually meaningful) and you don't have to miss out on other content forever. You're just choosing not to accept any of the many solutions you've been offered here. Stop blaming other people for your own issues. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> And when I say Wii U had no real exclusives I am not saying a falsehood. It had games which you could not get on any other system. That's all "exclusive" has ever meant, and the only value the concept has ever had is to drive console sales. Now that it's dead and console sales have stopped, there's no reason to expect any further exclusivity than that. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> The only exclusives that make a failed console worth buying are exclusives that are exclusive for decades like Virtual Boy and Gamecube had. If Nintendo wasn't going to give the Wii U real exclusives then Wii U was a ripoff because nobody would buy such a console if they could skip it and get all its games anyway. You keep saying this like they expected the WiiU to fail and should have marketed it accordingly. Nobody releases a console with the intent of having it fail. That would be stupid. Console failures are mistakes that are only ever really recognized well into their generation when it becomes apparent that efforts to salvage it aren't working. Protip: Any time you buy a console, you're taking a gamble on whether or not it'll be worthwhile to own it, based on whether or not it ends up having enough of a library to satisfy you. You can minimize that risk by waiting until the end of the generation so you have a comprehensive understanding of the games it'll offer, but that carries the risk of causing you to miss out on less popular games that become hard to find (not to mention missing out on games because your wishlist ends up so big that some get overlooked). The best way to handle that is to wait for the console to have enough games for you to be happy with the purchase, then buy it. If it doesn't get any further support than that, that's disappointing, but you're already happy with what you've got. There's a world of difference between "I would have been happier with more support" and "I got ripped off." Master_Magnus posted... </cite> Those remakes better not have new content then, because if they do, videogames are ruined forever. They will. As I said, enhancing remakes is an essential part of marketing them. Sometimes, those enhancements are just graphical. Sometimes they take the form of new content, which most people actually prefer because that makes it a meaningful upgrade that's worth playing even if one has played the original. Personally, I automatically dismiss any remake of a game I already have that doesn't have new content, then with others, I make a judgement as to whether or not the new content is worth buying the remake for (it usually isn't). Either way, get used to it, because remakes are here to stay. If that's enough to "ruin video games forever" because you're just that much of a drama queen, perhaps you should start looking for a new hobby to save yourself some frustration. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfFa 01/25/21 1:53:08 PM #144:	to 500!!!! I would hate to serve this guy at a restaurant. --- girls like my fa <cite>ReturnOfFa posted [p:949905654] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>to 500!!!! I would hate to serve this guy at a restaurant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 01/25/21 2:02:53 PM #145:	okay so Im not reading this shit. what is this dudes point again? --- hoes mad <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:949906006] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>okay so Im not reading this shit. what is this dudes point again? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/21 3:06:34 PM #146:	DirtBasedSoap posted... okay so Im not reading this shit. what is this dudes point again? That Nintendo screwed over WiiU owners because remaking games means the system never had any exclusives, and also that adding new content to remakes is evil because he literally cannot live without having all available content for every game he owns but he also "cannot" spend $60 for a remake of a game he already owns and therefore Nintendo has ruined his life. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949908233] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>DirtBasedSoap posted... </cite> <quote>okay so Im not reading this shit. what is this dudes point again?</quote> That Nintendo screwed over WiiU owners because remaking games means the system never had any exclusives, and also that adding new content to remakes is evil because he literally cannot live without having all available content for every game he owns but he also "cannot" spend $60 for a remake of a game he already owns and therefore Nintendo has ruined his life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 01/25/21 3:42:42 PM #147:	DirtBasedSoap posted... okay so Im not reading this shit. what is this dudes point again? That businesses should cater to him at the expense of their profitability because his feelings are hurt over DLC and remakes and waaaah --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:949909338] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>DirtBasedSoap posted... </cite> <quote>okay so Im not reading this shit. what is this dudes point again?</quote>That businesses should cater to him at the expense of their profitability because his feelings are hurt over DLC and remakes and waaaah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/25/21 4:08:58 PM #148:	Then any discussion of "paying $60" should automatically be rendered moot. You can always get a better deal by waiting for prices to drop or for cheaper used copies to emerge. Even with how well Nintendo's first-party titles hold their value. If you're ever paying $60, then you're already making exceptions to that premise, so relying on it to justify being upset about enhanced ports is fundamentally flawed. I don't care if I got the game at $60 or $30. When I buy it I want all content that game will ever have without being forced to buy content that I already own. It generally does, actually. At the very least, it's often counterproductive and results in measurably worse results than being rational does, as is clearly the case here. No it usually isn't wrong. Otherwise people wouldn't be irrational. You are not screwed over (because it's bonus content in a video game, not anything actually meaningful) and you don't have to miss out on other content forever. You're just choosing not to accept any of the many solutions you've been offered here. Stop blaming other people for your own issues. Bowser's Fury is very meaningful content. The only solution is if I can buy Bowser's Fury at a reasonable price. Not more than $20. And to never have to miss out on any content that I want because they lock it behind a port. There are no other solutions. It had games which you could not get on any other system. That's all "exclusive" has ever meant, and the only value the concept has ever had is to drive console sales. Now that it's dead and console sales have stopped, there's no reason to expect any further exclusivity than that. Most exclusives on all Nintendo consoles were exclusive for at least two generations. Only Wii U had exclusives that were exclusive only during its lifetime. You keep saying this like they expected the WiiU to fail and should have marketed it accordingly. Nobody releases a console with the intent of having it fail. That would be stupid. Console failures are mistakes that are only ever really recognized well into their generation when it becomes apparent that efforts to salvage it aren't working. By late 2013 they should have pulled the plug on the Wii U if they weren't going to support it like Gamecube. Like they did with Virtual Boy and Sony did with the Vita. Protip: Any time you buy a console, you're taking a gamble on whether or not it'll be worthwhile to own it, based on whether or not it ends up having enough of a library to satisfy you. It's only a gamble for shit console makers like Nintendo or when you buy a console literally on day one. Good console makers guarantee their consoles aren't failures or at the very least don't promise support for failed consoles beyond day one to make it seem like they will support it then betray you by porting everything. The best way to handle that is to wait for the console to have enough games for you to be happy with the purchase, then buy it. If it doesn't get any further support than that, that's disappointing, but you're already happy with what you've got. There's a world of difference between "I would have been happier with more support" and "I got ripped off." That's what I did with Wii U. I bought it because I wanted to play Super Mario 3D World. Now I can't play Bowser's Fury and my life is ruined forever. I can only be happy if I never miss out on any content on a game because they made a port. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949910224] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>Then any discussion of "paying $60" should automatically be rendered moot. You can always get a better deal by waiting for prices to drop or for cheaper used copies to emerge. Even with how well Nintendo's first-party titles hold their value. If you're ever paying $60, then you're already making exceptions to that premise, so relying on it to justify being upset about enhanced ports is fundamentally flawed.</quote>I don't care if I got the game at $60 or $30. When I buy it I want all content that game will ever have without being forced to buy content that I already own. <quote>It generally does, actually. At the very least, it's often counterproductive and results in measurably worse results than being rational does, as is clearly the case here.</quote>No it usually isn't wrong. Otherwise people wouldn't be irrational. <quote>You are not screwed over (because it's bonus content in a video game, not anything actually meaningful) and you don't have to miss out on other content forever. You're just choosing not to accept any of the many solutions you've been offered here. Stop blaming other people for your own issues.</quote>Bowser's Fury is very meaningful content. The only solution is if I can buy Bowser's Fury at a reasonable price. Not more than $20. And to never have to miss out on any content that I want because they lock it behind a port. There are no other solutions. <quote>It had games which you could not get on any other system. That's all "exclusive" has ever meant, and the only value the concept has ever had is to drive console sales. Now that it's dead and console sales have stopped, there's no reason to expect any further exclusivity than that.</quote>Most exclusives on all Nintendo consoles were exclusive for at least two generations. Only Wii U had exclusives that were exclusive only during its lifetime. <quote>You keep saying this like they expected the WiiU to fail and should have marketed it accordingly. Nobody releases a console with the intent of having it fail. That would be stupid. Console failures are mistakes that are only ever really recognized well into their generation when it becomes apparent that efforts to salvage it aren't working.</quote>By late 2013 they should have pulled the plug on the Wii U if they weren't going to support it like Gamecube. Like they did with Virtual Boy and Sony did with the Vita. <quote>Protip: Any time you buy a console, you're taking a gamble on whether or not it'll be worthwhile to own it, based on whether or not it ends up having enough of a library to satisfy you.</quote>It's only a gamble for shit console makers like Nintendo or when you buy a console literally on day one. Good console makers guarantee their consoles aren't failures or at the very least don't promise support for failed consoles beyond day one to make it seem like they will support it then betray you by porting everything. <quote> The best way to handle that is to wait for the console to have enough games for you to be happy with the purchase, then buy it. If it doesn't get any further support than that, that's disappointing, but you're already happy with what you've got. There's a world of difference between "I would have been happier with more support" and "I got ripped off."</quote>That's what I did with Wii U. I bought it because I wanted to play Super Mario 3D World. Now I can't play Bowser's Fury and my life is ruined forever. I can only be happy if I never miss out on any content on a game because they made a port. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Magnus 01/25/21 4:32:59 PM #149:	They will. As I said, enhancing remakes is an essential part of marketing them. Sometimes, those enhancements are just graphical. Sometimes they take the form of new content, which most people actually prefer because that makes it a meaningful upgrade that's worth playing even if one has played the original. Personally, I automatically dismiss any remake of a game I already have that doesn't have new content, then with others, I make a judgement as to whether or not the new content is worth buying the remake for (it usually isn't). Either way, get used to it, because remakes are here to stay. If that's enough to "ruin video games forever" because you're just that much of a drama queen, perhaps you should start looking for a new hobby to save yourself some frustration. Then the videogame industry is wrong. I cannot look for a new hobby, videogames are my life and will always be my life. The only solution is for the industry to stop ripping me off. <cite>Master_Magnus posted [p:949911074] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> <quote>They will. As I said, enhancing remakes is an essential part of marketing them. Sometimes, those enhancements are just graphical. Sometimes they take the form of new content, which most people actually prefer because that makes it a meaningful upgrade that's worth playing even if one has played the original. Personally, I automatically dismiss any remake of a game I already have that doesn't have new content, then with others, I make a judgement as to whether or not the new content is worth buying the remake for (it usually isn't). Either way, get used to it, because remakes are here to stay. If that's enough to "ruin video games forever" because you're just that much of a drama queen, perhaps you should start looking for a new hobby to save yourself some frustration.</quote>Then the videogame industry is wrong. I cannot look for a new hobby, videogames are my life and will always be my life. The only solution is for the industry to stop ripping me off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 01/25/21 5:06:49 PM #150:	--- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:949912324] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 01/25/21 5:36:51 PM #151:	Master_Magnus posted... I don't care if I got the game at $60 or $30. If you're talking about value, you should. Master_Magnus posted... No it usually isn't wrong. Otherwise people wouldn't be irrational. When people are being irrational, they generally don't stop to consider if they're wrong. That would be a very rational thing to do, and people that are being irrational typically struggle with being rational. Master_Magnus posted... Bowser's Fury is very meaningful content. Not meaningful enough to justify your absurdly melodramatic reaction. Master_Magnus posted... There are no other solutions. -Say "that's annoying, I'm not buying that" and move on with your life -Suck it up and buy the game (ideally after waiting for a reasonable discount) Oh hey two very easy solutions that don't involve ruined lives. Who knew? Master_Magnus posted... Most exclusives on all Nintendo consoles were exclusive for at least two generations. Except for all the ones that weren't. Again, this isn't that uncommon. For that matter, where all other Nintendo generations have been 6 years long (WiiU was only 5), 7 years is actually long enough to skip a generation, if the game in question comes out late in the original generation and early in the remade one, so it's hypothetically been long enough that this remake could follow that metric. Master_Magnus posted... By late 2013 they should have pulled the plug on the Wii U if they weren't going to support it like Gamecube. Late 2013 was only hen the PS4 and Xbone came out. It really wasn't until 2015 or so that it became apparent that the WiiU definitely wasn't getting back on track (after several high-profile releases that failed to salvage it, including Smash, Mario Kart, SM3DW, and Xenoblade, and with BotW delayed far enough for pushing it forward to be an option). After that point, it was a matter of getting what they could out of it until the Switch came out (which had been announced by then), which is pretty clearly what happened. I don't know if you think they should have released the Switch four years sooner or something equally impossible, but the course the WiiU took is very much a reasonable one for a console that underperformed as badly as it did from a company that was still in good enough shape to stick around afterward. They got a successor out relatively quickly so they could move on, but continued to support it until that point so they could maintain as much of a revenue stream as possible. Master_Magnus posted... It's only a gamble for s*** console makers like Nintendo or when you buy a console literally on day one. No, it's always a gamble. Exclusives are the only reason to own a specific system (especially one of Nintendo's, which doesn't get the multiplat support others tend to), and it's always a crapshoot whether or not those exclusives will be worth the purchase of the console. Ask Xbone owners which exclusives they bought their system for and see how many of them can't even come up with one off the top of their head. Ask yourself which exclusives you bought your PS5 for. Master_Magnus posted... Good console makers guarantee their consoles aren't failures or at the very least don't promise support for failed consoles beyond day one Again, you seem to think that companies know which consoles will fail on day one. If they knew, they wouldn't launch them. I really don't know why you keep coming back to this "don't promise support for consoles that end up failing 4-5 years later" thing as though Nintendo had the hindsight benefit you currently enjoy back in 2012. it's quite absurd. Master_Magnus posted... That's what I did with Wii U. I bought it because I wanted to play Super Mario 3D World. And you got to play SM3DW. Woohoo! Satisfaction! Your purchase was vindicated! Stop acting like you've been horribly wronged because you aren't getting something beyond what you bought the system for. What you got from that purchase hasn't changed. If you were satisfied with it then, you should be satisfied with it now. You're not entitled to anything more than what you chose to pay for. Get over yourself. Master_Magnus posted... Then the videogame industry is wrong. They're wrong to sell games to people that want to buy them? That just sounds like straightforward commerce to me. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:949913437] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote>Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>I don't care if I got the game at $60 or $30.</quote> If you're talking about value, you should. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>No it usually isn't wrong. Otherwise people wouldn't be irrational.</quote> When people are being irrational, they generally don't stop to consider if they're wrong. That would be a very rational thing to do, and people that are being irrational typically struggle with being rational. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Bowser's Fury is very meaningful content.</quote> Not meaningful enough to justify your absurdly melodramatic reaction. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>There are no other solutions.</quote> -Say "that's annoying, I'm not buying that" and move on with your life -Suck it up and buy the game (ideally after waiting for a reasonable discount) Oh hey two very easy solutions that don't involve ruined lives. Who knew? Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>Most exclusives on all Nintendo consoles were exclusive for at least two generations.</quote> Except for all the ones that weren't. Again, this isn't that uncommon. For that matter, where all other Nintendo generations have been 6 years long (WiiU was only 5), 7 years is actually long enough to skip a generation, if the game in question comes out late in the original generation and early in the remade one, so it's hypothetically been long enough that this remake could follow that metric. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>By late 2013 they should have pulled the plug on the Wii U if they weren't going to support it like Gamecube.</quote> Late 2013 was only hen the PS4 and Xbone came out. It really wasn't until 2015 or so that it became apparent that the WiiU definitely wasn't getting back on track (after several high-profile releases that failed to salvage it, including Smash, Mario Kart, SM3DW, and Xenoblade, and with BotW delayed far enough for pushing it forward to be an option). After that point, it was a matter of getting what they could out of it until the Switch came out (which had been announced by then), which is pretty clearly what happened. I don't know if you think they should have released the Switch four years sooner or something equally impossible, but the course the WiiU took is very much a reasonable one for a console that underperformed as badly as it did from a company that was still in good enough shape to stick around afterward. They got a successor out relatively quickly so they could move on, but continued to support it until that point so they could maintain as much of a revenue stream as possible. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> <quote>It's only a gamble for s*** console makers like Nintendo or when you buy a console literally on day one.</quote> No, it's always a gamble. Exclusives are the only reason to own a specific system (especially one of Nintendo's, which doesn't get the multiplat support others tend to), and it's always a crapshoot whether or not those exclusives will be worth the purchase of the console. Ask Xbone owners which exclusives they bought their system for and see how many of them can't even come up with one off the top of their head. Ask yourself which exclusives you bought your PS5 for. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> Good console makers guarantee their consoles aren't failures or at the very least don't promise support for failed consoles beyond day one Again, you seem to think that companies know which consoles will fail on day one. If they knew, they wouldn't launch them. I really don't know why you keep coming back to this "don't promise support for consoles that end up failing 4-5 years later" thing as though Nintendo had the hindsight benefit you currently enjoy back in 2012. it's quite absurd. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> That's what I did with Wii U. I bought it because I wanted to play Super Mario 3D World. And you got to play SM3DW. Woohoo! Satisfaction! Your purchase was vindicated! Stop acting like you've been horribly wronged because you aren't getting something beyond what you bought the system for. What you got from that purchase hasn't changed. If you were satisfied with it then, you should be satisfied with it now. You're not entitled to anything more than what you chose to pay for. Get over yourself. Master_Magnus posted... </cite> Then the videogame industry is wrong. They're wrong to sell games to people that want to buy them? That just sounds like straightforward commerce to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 01/25/21 5:51:21 PM #152:	--- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 "Far-Queue is probably one of the least troll-like of the posters here." - LinkPizza <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:949914010] in Super Mari... [t:79234483]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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