Poll of the Day > Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury trailer

(+) Yeah! (+)

Releasing Feb 12th

https://youtu.be/ppkX8epoD9g

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Wow, that actually looks great.

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I think I have this pre-ordered. Ive had it pre-ordered for a little while now...
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I'd say he's more scaly, tbh.

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Weird that 3D World is getting new content after all this time but I'll take it

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Also, a new Mario Red and Blue Edition Switch was revealed:

https://www.nintendo.com/switch/buy-now/

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Sarcasthma posted...

I'd say he's more scaly, tbh.

lol I had to check to see if I made a typo

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As I've said on a Discord server already, this made me think of a 50-foot tall Bowsette who is also a catgirl.

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Yoshi sealed the Nine Tail Fox in Mario when he was a baby in Yoshi's Island

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Far-Queue posted...

lol I had to check to see if I made a typo

Your impeccable spelling record is intact...for now!

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Arv seen the trailer years ago are people going to need a trailer if they release pong again

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Thank goodens

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I want to play as Bowser Jr. but it looks like he's just assisting

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Do we know all the bonus content/features yet? I could be convinced to double-dip if there's enough.

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Wait, so is Bowser's Fury a separate title? And what's up with Junior being Mario's ally? That's so weird. (And I still dislike how Junior exists at all, they should have just rotated Koopalings.)

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Zeus posted...

Wait, so is Bowser's Fury a separate title? And what's up with Junior being Mario's ally? That's so weird. (And I still dislike how Junior exists at all, they should have just rotated Koopalings.)

It seems to be a side mode within the game, similar to Bowser Jr.'s Journey in the Mario & Luigi 3DS Remake. And I think the website stated somewhere that Bowser is possessed or something and Jr. is trying to save him.

Jr. > Lemmy >> Ludwig >>>>> rest of the Koopalings

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Whoa Bowser has gone Double Ultimate

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Far-Queue posted...

Thank goodens

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3D World was a ripoff of All 4 One

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SilentSeph posted...

Jr. > Lemmy >> Ludwig >>>>> rest of the Koopalings

Blasphemy on so many levels.

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His heart filled with rage after Bowser killed Luigi, Mario has become the legendary Super Furry!

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Zeus posted...

Blasphemy on so many levels.

Some of them lava, some of them shifting spikes...

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@EvilMegas

@UltraIchi

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mario is just super saiyan cat now

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Entity13 posted...

Some of them lava, some of them shifting spikes...

I laughed more than I should have.

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EvilMegas posted...

I laughed more than I should have.

Same.

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papercup posted...

Weird that 3D World is getting new content after all this time but I'll take it

Eh, not that surprising. They've rereleased most of the WiiU's higher-profile titles on the Switch, given that said titles sold pretty poorly due to the WiiU's low install base, and tacking on some extra content to make the remake more attractive is pretty reasonable.

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adjl posted...

Eh, not that surprising. They've rereleased most of the WiiU's higher-profile titles on the Switch, given that said titles sold pretty poorly due to the WiiU's low install base, and tacking on some extra content to make the remake more attractive is pretty reasonable.

Geez, I didn't realize it was a port >_< That WiiU stuff really flew under the radar for me.

Regardless, I'm happy to see these ports, considering I'm not sure whether I'd ever bother getting a WiiU at this point. I would need to find a super-cheap unit and *then* it'd still need to be at a time when the games were widely available on the cheap, whereas I think Gamestop is either phasing out or has phased out what they have.

On a somewhat related note, I think what I might have liked most about the NSMB U port was that added content.

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Zeus posted...

On a somewhat related note, I think what I might have liked most about the NSMB U port was that added content.

The New Super Luigi stuff? That was originally released as pseudo-DLC for NSMBU (you could buy it as a standalone game, or download it for a reduced price as DLC if you owned NSMBU already). I think the only stuff they added specifically for the port was the ability to play as Toadette and Nabbit, though I could be wrong.

Zeus posted...

Regardless, I'm happy to see these ports, considering I'm not sure whether I'd ever bother getting a WiiU at this point.

Honestly, given how many of its notable games have already been ported, there really isn't much reason to buy a WiiU now. The only ones left that I can think of are Xenoblade X (which was a system-seller for me, but YMMV) and Wind Waker HD (which is just a remake, albeit one that I feel elevated WW from relative mediocrity to being a serious contender for Best Zelda), and it wouldn't surprise me if they end up ported as well (though both will suffer for not having the gamepad map handy, since both put that to excellent use). The WiiU and its versions of the ported games will be cheaper than the Switch, but that's about all it's got going for it. Nintendo's very much accepted that the WiiU was a failure and is cutting their losses by rereleasing all of its games that hardly anyone played.

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adjl posted...

Honestly, given how many of its notable games have already been ported, there really isn't much reason to buy a WiiU now. The only ones left that I can think of are Xenoblade X (which was a system-seller for me, but YMMV) and Wind Waker HD (which is just a remake, albeit one that I feel elevated WW from relative mediocrity to being a serious contender for Best Zelda), and it wouldn't surprise me if they end up ported as well (though both will suffer for not having the gamepad map handy, since both put that to excellent use). The WiiU and its versions of the ported games will be cheaper than the Switch, but that's about all it's got going for it. Nintendo's very much accepted that the WiiU was a failure and is cutting their losses by rereleasing all of its games that hardly anyone played.

Theres also Twilight Princess HD (which had some nice QoL changes). I guess they could port Paper Mario: Color Splash, Game & Wario, and Star Fox Zero as well, but I wouldnt really expect those.

Personally, although the Wii U did have a lot of issues, I think when it had a great game, it was stellar. Its one reason I dont mind all the ports, because I think a lot of those games deserve another chance.

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adjl posted...

(though both will suffer for not having the gamepad map handy, since both put that to excellent use).

This is true. It worked so well for both!
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PKStarSaber posted...

Personally, although the Wii U did have a lot of issues, I think when it had a great game, it was stellar. Its one reason I dont mind all the ports, because I think a lot of those games deserve another chance.

That's about my feelings on the matter. The system was clearly a commercial failure, but it did have some truly excellent games on it such that I don't remotely regret owning one, and I'm glad that these ports mean those games are going to be enjoyed by more people.

LinkPizza posted...

This is true. It worked so well for both!

It always sounds like such a trivial, gimmicky thing to have the map on a second screen like that, but for really exploration-heavy games, I absolutely loved it. It's one of the main reasons WWHD was such an amazing remake: WW is a very exploration-centric game, but having to pause to check the map (and also the slow sailing where you had to play a song to change directions) made that exploration too much of a chore to be really enjoyable. Being able to access it seamlessly by just glancing at the gamepad made the exploration fun, which completely changed my overall impression of the game.

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adjl posted...

It always sounds like such a trivial, gimmicky thing to have the map on a second screen like that, but for really exploration-heavy games, I absolutely loved it. It's one of the main reasons WWHD was such an amazing remake: WW is a very exploration-centric game, but having to pause to check the map (and also the slow sailing where you had to play a song to change directions) made that exploration too much of a chore to be really enjoyable. Being able to access it seamlessly by just glancing at the gamepad made the exploration fun, which completely changed my overall impression of the game.

Yeah. I love that I could keep sailing while looking at it. It also helped since I could easily make adjustments when necessary, and knew when I was close to where I wanted to be... That was probably my favorite change, tbh...
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adjl posted...

The New Super Luigi stuff? That was originally released as pseudo-DLC for NSMBU (you could buy it as a standalone game, or download it for a reduced price as DLC if you owned NSMBU already). I think the only stuff they added specifically for the port was the ability to play as Toadette and Nabbit, though I could be wrong.

Specifically Peachette and Nabbit, yes. Peachette was OP as fuck, but she kinda made things more fun. And Nabbit I liked for going back to get a very few star coins I had a bit of a problem with where I probably could have done it without him, but this was much less aggravating. I'm honestly not sure I could have beat the desert's Star Road level without Peachette (and got the star coins), and even then that took me a pretty long while.


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Huh interesting, I like the camera control for Bowser's Fury. I assume that hasn't been integrated into the 3D World? That'd be wild! I mean, it'd only be possible in 1-Player.

I'm just glad this game will support online multiplayer. I ended up mostly playing this game on Wii U w/local multiplayer, and it kind of wasn't as fun by myself.

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adjl posted...

The New Super Luigi stuff? That was originally released as pseudo-DLC for NSMBU (you could buy it as a standalone game, or download it for a reduced price as DLC if you owned NSMBU already). I think the only stuff they added specifically for the port was the ability to play as Toadette and Nabbit, though I could be wrong.

Honestly, given how many of its notable games have already been ported, there really isn't much reason to buy a WiiU now. The only ones left that I can think of are Xenoblade X (which was a system-seller for me, but YMMV) and Wind Waker HD (which is just a remake, albeit one that I feel elevated WW from relative mediocrity to being a serious contender for Best Zelda), and it wouldn't surprise me if they end up ported as well (though both will suffer for not having the gamepad map handy, since both put that to excellent use). The WiiU and its versions of the ported games will be cheaper than the Switch, but that's about all it's got going for it. Nintendo's very much accepted that the WiiU was a failure and is cutting their losses by rereleasing all of its games that hardly anyone played.

I hate how Nintendo made the Wii U completely worthless just a few years after being discontinued. Other Nintendo consoles were worth buying for decades. On top of that they add new content that only people who skipped the Wii U can play, because buying the same game again at full price to get $10 DLC is a ripoff.

Master_Magnus posted...

I hate how Nintendo made the Wii U completely worthless just a few years after being discontinued. Even Gamecube was treated better.

At some level, I agree, but even the Gamecube sold twice as well as the WiiU did. The WiiU sold *very* poorly, which is really a shame because it had some fantastic titles. For the sake of allowing more people to experience those games without having to buy a system that they generally don't consider worthwhile (as well as some easy extra revenue for studios that had trouble recovering development costs due to the system's low install base), I'm fine with seeing most of those titles ported and the system rendered obsolete (particularly where I didn't really expect to get more games for it once the Switch launched anyway). It kind of sucks to be "stuck" with the inferior versions because I don't really want to buy enhanced ports so soon after buying the original games, but really, I'm okay with missing out on the bit of extra content.

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adjl posted...

At some level, I agree, but even the Gamecube sold twice as well as the WiiU did. The WiiU sold *very* poorly, which is really a shame because it had some fantastic titles. For the sake of allowing more people to experience those games without having to buy a system that they generally don't consider worthwhile (as well as some easy extra revenue for studios that had trouble recovering development costs due to the system's low install base), I'm fine with seeing most of those titles ported and the system rendered obsolete (particularly where I didn't really expect to get more games for it once the Switch launched anyway). It kind of sucks to be "stuck" with the inferior versions because I don't really want to buy enhanced ports so soon after buying the original games, but really, I'm okay with missing out on the bit of extra content.

If I buy a Nintendo home console that Nintendo chose not to dump within the first year then I should get a console that is up to Nintendo standards no matter how poorly it sold. Wii U selling terribly isn't a valid reason for Nintendo to shaft those who bought it when Nintendo chose to support their console for four years. Nintendo should respect themselves instead of making easy money.

people should invest less emotions in video games

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ReturnOfFa posted...

people should invest less emotions in video games

What the fuck did you just say?! I'll have as many fucking emotions as I want I'm an American so being hysterical over trivial things is my right as a free man

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Master_Magnus posted...

If I buy a Nintendo home console that Nintendo chose not to dump within the first year then I should get a console that is up to Nintendo standards no matter how poorly it sold. Wii U selling terribly isn't a valid reason for Nintendo to shaft those who bought it when Nintendo chose to support their console for four years. Nintendo should respect themselves instead of making easy money.

How have you been shafted? They supported the WiiU for almost as long as their usual generations (5 years instead of 6), producing plenty of quality games that you were able to enjoy to their full potential. That doesn't change because those games get ported a few years after their initial release. Having the original does make it hard to justify buying the game a second time for whatever token improvements they add to the port to make it more attractive to new customers, but that's true of every remake/port, and surely you're not going to suggest that rereleasing any game shafts the early adopters.

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mentally shafted

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ReturnOfFa posted...

people should invest less emotions in video games

Fewer.

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I still think it's weird that the DS and 3DS got exclusive Zelda games but Wii-U did not

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Zeus posted...

Fewer.

Thanks bruh.

People should invest fewer emotions in video games.

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Alternatively, "less emotion"

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Metalsonic66 posted...

I still think it's weird that the DS and 3DS got exclusive Zelda games but Wii-U did not

The consoles games seem to get a lot of overlap, plus they like to remake them. Especially since they like to release them with consoles. Like TP coming out for GC & Wii on Wii release day, and BotW coming out on Wii U and Switch on Switch release day. Or how they remade OoT & MM for 3DS, or how they remade WW and TP for Wii U. But the handheld ones usually don't get much more than a VC release for some reason (The exception being Link's Awakening)...
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Metalsonic66 posted...

I still think it's weird that the DS and 3DS got exclusive Zelda games but Wii-U did not

Makes enough sense. The DS and 3DS were each Nintendo's only system at their respective power levels, so any lower-spec handheld games for them would have been exclusive (particularly where PH and ST were designed around the DS' touch screen, for better or worse). Meanwhile, BotW was intended to be exclusive, but between delays pushing it fairly late into the WiiU's lifespan and the WiiU's commercial failure (which would have made it hard to turn a profit on such a higher-budget game), plus the desire to make sure the Switch launched with at least one real killer app, they made the decision to launch it with the Switch as well. If BotW had come together faster instead of being delayed, odds are it would have been a WiiU exclusive.

That does kind of beg the question, though, of whether or not BotW releasing as a WiiU exclusive would have done more to prop up the WiiU's sales and earned it another year of support. I know a non-trivial number of people were waiting for a new Zelda or Metroid before taking the plunge on it, and even the early speculation that BotW was going to be delayed to be a Switch launch title was enough to convince many of them to not bother with the system. Given that the game has sold ~50% more copies than WiiU consoles have sold (19 million vs 13 million), only 1.6 million of those were for the WiiU, and the Switch version actually had a >100% attach rate at one point shortly after launch (as in, more Switch copies had sold than Switch systems), it wouldn't surprise me at all if coming out earlier as an exclusive had spurred another couple million WiiU sales. But then presumably the game would not have been as well-received if they'd compromised its quality to rush it out sooner, so perhaps it wouldn't have made that much if a difference. Hard to say.

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LinkPizza posted...

The consoles games seem to get a lot of overlap, plus they like to remake them. Especially since they like to release them with consoles. Like TP coming out for GC & Wii on Wii release day, and BotW coming out on Wii U and Switch on Switch release day. Or how they remade OoT & MM for 3DS, or how they remade WW and TP for Wii U. But the handheld ones usually don't get much more than a VC release for some reason (The exception being Link's Awakening)...

I guess everyone is gonna expect a console Zelda to be a big grand adventure, but the handheld ones were able to get away with mixing up the gameplay style a little

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Metalsonic66 posted...

I guess everyone is gonna expect a console Zelda to be a big grand adventure, but the handheld ones were able to get away with mixing up the gameplay style a little

I feel like that distinction applies to all handheld games, which is why the DS ended up being such a great system with so many games that put the touch screen to good use. Handheld games are cheaper - both to develop and to buy - so developers are a lot more willing to take risks and try new things, and consumers have come to expect that and often embrace new ideas. That's one of the reasons I'm kind of disappointed that Nintendo has abandoned their dedicated handheld branch with the Switch, though the indie market in general has risen to fill the niche of lower-budget titles that experiment with unusual ideas, generally free from any pressures to make good use of a console's technical power.

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