Current Events > "I worked hard to get where I am!"

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Real meaning: "I scoured for shortcuts like nepotism, kickbacks, cheating, dirty politics, so that I didn't have to work hard to climb the ladder. Now I make tons of money doing barely any work."

Meanwhile an employee at amazon is working 80 hour work weeks in terrible conditions and is being looked down on by a person saying the topic title not because they don't work hard, but because they didn't think to try and be dishonest to climb the ladder.

Its not what you know. Its who you blow

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dolomedes posted...

people who think working at a fast food joint is easy work are... um... delusional

Bbbbut unskilled

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I admit I myself have a cushy job but I don't claim to have worked hard for it.
Just went to college and got lucky.

Yeah, about that...

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TC is someone who understands me. I think he might hate managers and senior people in a company even more than I do.

If that's even possible.

Which it isn't.


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darkphoenix181 posted...

I admit I myself have a cushy job but I don't claim to have worked hard for it.
Just went to college and got lucky.

Yeah same here, I happened to meet the right person at the right time and manage to snag a high paying job just right after college. That's not to say there is hard work in trying to actively seek out these opportunities, but anybody who thinks Luck doesn't play a role are delusional.

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yunalenne10 posted...

Yeah, about that...

Go on....

Let's be honest, there's very few jobs most people couldn't become adequate at, given an opportunity & time to learn it. From some of the basic mistakes, it's also clear to see that many of the upper caste are NOT the super savvy wizards of wisdom & skill they'd like you to believe they are.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

Go on....

I just did my job better than others and got promoted to administration.

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Sunhawk posted...

TC is someone who understands me. I think he might hate managers and senior people in a company even more than I do.

If that's even possible.

Which it isn't.

Some managers do work hard.

I don't want to go into management because I want to have a life outside of corporate work.
But yes, there are some bad managers as well.
I recently had a director who could talk a good talk, but when it came down to actually managing, all they knew how to do was ask why the work wasn't done yesterday and tell everyone to work harder. Glad when they went bye bye.

People don't get paid enough to deal with ignorant mouth breathers for an 8 hour shift in retail, that's for sure.

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100% of the interviews you do are luck:

0. Need to get lucky to find and open position and be one of the first ones to apply.
1. Need to get lucky for your resume to be picked by the random HR person that has no context on what actually is needed for the job.
2. Need to get lucky for the interviewer to actually know how to interview or get lucky that they like you. Most interviewers haven't been trained on how to actually interview people and what to look for.
3. Need to get lucky to end up with a good manager that will actually want you to grow instead of using you as another step for their own career.

Tbh I got lucky but I realize that's not the norm.


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yunalenne10 posted...

I just did my job better than others and got promoted to administration.

That is nice. I will add though, doing a job better doesn't automatically mean working harder.
I have a cushy job, but I can do the work better than many people.

Basically, if I can naturally do something in 10 mins it takes an average person 2 hours to do, it makes sense why I am hired and paid well.

BUT, for me to say I work hard, is a lie...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Basically, if I can naturally do something in 10 mins it takes an average person 2 hours to do, it makes sense why I am hired and paid well.

Oh, I understand what you mean. In retrospect, I guess I'm similar too. I tend to calmly focus on the task and just get it done right as soon as possible. Ah, "working hard" and "working right" then are different things.

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People can and do work hard and I have no issue with them feeling some kind of pride about that, but it's bad for them to think they did it all on their own. A bit narcissistic to not acknowledge the help and luck you had on the way.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Real meaning: "I scoured for shortcuts like nepotism, kickbacks, cheating, dirty politics, so that I didn't have to work hard to climb the ladder. Now I make tons of money doing barely any work."

This is almost as bad as the bootstraps mentality

Everyone's career is a mix of luck and hard work
It is stupid to ignore the luck, it is stupid to ignore the hard work
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darkbuster posted...

Let's be honest, there's very few jobs most people couldn't become adequate at, given an opportunity & time to learn it.

This is simply not true. Many, many jobs are going to need a person to have a IQ at least somewhere in the 110s to do it adequately and a little under half the population has a IQ below 100. 90 is about the threshold for being able to read and follow instructions. For professional jobs like doctors, lawyers, engineers, computer scientists, etc. one would likely need a IQ at least in the 120s, (though it's more likely that even that is not good enough); 120 puts you at the 90th centile, meaning that people with IQs of 120 have a higher IQ than 90% of the population. Even for work that is unfairly deemed as "inferior," such as working in a trade, one still needs to have a IQ of 100 to perform well.

darkbuster posted...

From some of the basic mistakes, it's also clear to see that many of the upper caste are NOT the super savvy wizards of wisdom & skill they'd like you to believe they are.

This, however, is true.

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Idk what my iq is but I have a bs in computer science.

g980 posted...

This is almost as bad as the bootstraps mentality

Everyone's career is a mix of luck and hard work
It is stupid to ignore the luck, it is stupid to ignore the hard work

Yeah, I don't know why some people can't grasp that dismissing everybody in a higher up position in society as somebody who got there through nepotism/"cheating" and didn't work their asses off for it is just as ignorant as assuming every poor person is a lazy good for nothing who deserves their poverty.

CE hates anyone thats successful.

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dolomedes posted...

people who think working at a fast food joint is easy work are... um... delusional

It is difficult - but low skill. Working in an assembly line is difficult as well, but it is low skill.

In other words, low skill - low barrier to entry. It does not mean that the work is not difficult.

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fan357 posted...

CE hates anyone thats successful.

Your post made no sense.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Some managers do work hard.

I don't want to go into management because I want to have a life outside of corporate work.
But yes, there are some bad managers as well.
I recently had a director who could talk a good talk, but when it came down to actually managing, all they knew how to do was ask why the work wasn't done yesterday and tell everyone to work harder. Glad when they went bye bye.

My supervisor is literally on call 24/7, 365 days a year unless he uses holidays. He is great at what he does though - he worked his way up from frontline work so he is a great resource, especially for debriefing, but I hate calling him on weekends. Technically, to some of my clients I make my self available close to 24/7 - but not to the level my supervisor is.

I did also have supervisors who were literally "do your job" and had no clue how to teach or coach - they were in their positions because they were 'friends' with other management.

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What's your opinion on this guy TC

https://youtu.be/L6R_LkZItu8

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MaverickXeo posted...

My supervisor is literally on call 24/7, 365 days a year unless he uses holidays.

Yep. I would rather make less money than do that.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Yep. I would rather make less money than do that.

Ugh, the position for promotion next to the one I have now is exactly that. I can honestly say I can't do what she does now.

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I think managing is difficult. Making decisions seems to be an underrated skills to some
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Benify posted...

What's your opinion on this guy TC

https://youtu.be/L6R_LkZItu8

Youtube isn't hard work unless you make videos like Dunkey.

Talking on camera for 30 minutes is easy.
Playing a game and recording it is easy.

However, if you play a game over several days to get certain scenes, compile them, edit them, write a script, add in effects like Dunkey does for his vids, that is hard work. Still, doubtful it is harder than amazon workers in their warehouse work.
You still set your own hours, etc, which is hige stress reduction.
You can even just not upload a video.
You can then take a vacation whenever you want.

But like Markiplier and Pewdiepie, they just talk on camera and it isn't hard work from what I see

emblem boy posted...

I think managing is difficult. Making decisions seems to be an underrated skills to some

I think the most difficult part is discipline. I have a hard enough time when my clients are clearly avoiding visits and coming up with excuses - I can't confront them on it because I want them to learn the importance of the visits and I don't believe 'forcing' someone to do something is going to resolve in a positive situation. I feel that calling them out would create a greater rift and damage their connection to the children even more.

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I think I hit the jackpot. I got suspended and my hours cut at my crappy fast food job because of a little incident with a customer (story below if youre curious). Almost immediately after that though I got a call asking if I wanted a job with the state. I got an interview and hired quickly so I was able to quit the shitty fast food job, and whats even better is that half my time at work is spent playing games on my phone :D

As for the incident, there was a rather rude customer. I took his order, and when I was in the middle of taking the next customers order, he comes up to the counter and says Eh, I like some water. So I politely told him that I would get him a cup after I finished helping the person in front. The normal reaction to this, obviously, is to yell and swear, and ask for my manager, being the male Karen that he was. And given that managers have to bend over and spread their cheeks for customers, he apologized profusely to that asswipe. Then said asswipe demanded an apology from me. But that was the past straw, so I refused. My manager took me to the back and asked me nicely to apologize, but I just couldnt give in. It was sad since the manager was really nice, but I just couldnt compromise with a customer like that.

tl;dr
I refused to apologize to a major jackass of a customer

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YugiNoob posted...

I think I hit the jackpot. I got suspended and my hours cut at my crappy fast food job because of a little incident with a customer (story below if youre curious). Almost immediately after that though I got a call asking if I wanted a job with the state. I got an interview and hired quickly so I was able to quit the shitty fast food job, and whats even better is that half my time at work is spent playing games on my phone :D

As for the incident, there was a rather rude customer. I took his order, and when I was in the middle of taking the next customers order, he comes up to the counter and says Eh, I like some water. So I politely told him that I would get him a cup after I finished helping the person in front. The normal reaction to this, obviously, is to yell and swear, and ask for my manager, being the male Karen that he was. And given that managers have to bend over and spread their cheeks for customers, he apologized profusely to that asswipe. Then said asswipe demanded an apology from me. But that was the past straw, so I refused. My manager took me to the back and asked me nicely to apologize, but I just couldnt give in. It was sad since the manager was really nice, but I just couldnt compromise with a customer like that.

tl;dr
I refused to apologize to a major jackass of a customer

The customer was right though. It woulda took 2 seconds to grab a cup

There is absolutely nothing wrong wi try getting help. Most people in successful positions are there because they had help. What is a bitch move is when you downplay that help because you think it makes you look weak (like Trump saying his daddys millions were a small loan)

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He shouldve asked for water when he was ordering like every other person so that a runner could get it for him. You honestly shouldnt comment on things you know nothing about since A) cashiers dont leave the register unless given permission, B) the cups arent within arms reach, C) it wouldve taken more than 2 seconds to grab a cup, and D) we need to fill their drinks

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SteveNasti posted...

People don't get paid enough to deal with ignorant mouth breathers for an 8 hour shift in retail, that's for sure.

can't quote this enough. it's not about the WORK as much as it's about the people you have to deal with and the stress that comes with it. people wonder why retail workers complain and are miserable without considering that hmmmmm maybe they're the products of their environment

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J_Punky87 posted...

The customer was right though. It woulda took 2 seconds to grab a cup

I've worked retail before and I've been helping a customer when another demands I help them find something. I would point them in the general direction, explaining I am dealing with another person. I never had anyone go to my boss about that - although that job was 90% service, my boss understood that some customers need to learn how things work. Some people just have no patience.

It would've taken 2 seconds to grab a cup - but the person being served at that moment may have been upset as well that someone thinks they 'deserve more attention' than them.

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emblem boy posted...

I think managing is difficult. Making decisions seems to be an underrated skills to some

Yep. Everyone thinks everybody elses job is easy.

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I mean if it was McDonalds where the cups are right by the register and they get their own drinks I wouldve handed him one. But Im not gonna turn my back on a guy who was waiting in line to get a drink for some rude, impatient jerkwad

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MaverickXeo posted...

I've worked retail before and I've been helping a customer when another demands I help them find something. I would point them in the general direction, explaining I am dealing with another person. I never had anyone go to my boss about that - although that job was 90% service, my boss understood that some customers need to learn how things work. Some people just have no patience.

It would've taken 2 seconds to grab a cup - but the person being served at that moment may have been upset as well that someone thinks they 'deserve more attention' than them.

This is true too