Poll of the Day > So there is a vaccine now?

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I hardly keep up with the news but im just now starting to hear about this. So to keep this short on the whole subject, is it honestly going to work?
I always often worry about the side effects with any vaccine or medication. Now its just a matter of who will exactly take it even though I assume its not mandatory?

How dare you question it!!!

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The vaccine has existed for a year, but it needed to go through months of trials to get approved.

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Theres a few. But theyre just now starting to be widely produced. So itll probably be a few months at least before anybody can just go into their local drug store and get one.

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Mead posted...

Theres a few. But theyre just now starting to be widely produced. So itll probably be a few months at least before anybody can just go into their local drug store and get one.

Oh ok. I was just starting to wander since I see them going out by the fucking truck load.

TaKun782 posted...

Oh ok. I was just starting to wander since I see them going out by the fucking truck load.

yeah the plan is to give them first to healthcare workers and the really vulnerable people like nursing home residents

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papercup posted...

The vaccine has existed for a year, but it needed to go through months of trials to get approved.

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Mead posted...

yeah the plan is to give them first to healthcare workers and the really vulnerable people like nursing home residents

Cause, test subjects amiright? Thats what is going to make people fear it the most after all.

I love when people without MDs think they know more about this shit than people who do lmao

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TaKun782 posted...

Cause, test subjects amiright? Thats what is going to make people fear it the most after all.

theyve already gone through clinical trials, Id say they seem a lot safer than a covid infection

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I'm not supposed to say anything, but I volunteered for the COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer. This is the vaccine that was developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning at 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it is safe snd Im ok, with o side effects whatsoeve, and that I feel sh , . .

DirtBasedSoap posted...

I love when people without MDs think they know more about this shit than people who do lmao

Yes. It is indeed hilarious. But yes, you are correct.

JigsawTDC posted...

I'm not supposed to say anything, but I volunteered for the COVID-19 vaccine from Pfizer. This is the vaccine that was developed in Russia. I received my first dose this morning at 06:20 am, and I wanted to let you all know that it is safe snd Im ok, with o side effects whatsoeve, and that I feel sh , . .

I remember seeing this. My co-worker showed it to me...
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Lol I can't believe I got modded for an obvious joke because it's apparently spreading misinformation.

I heard there was a vaccine that makes you feel sick and you have to go back for a second shot.

Is that the one they're shipping out?

NeoSioType posted...

I heard there was a vaccine that makes you feel sick and you have to go back for a second shot.

Is that the one they're shipping out?

Some of the vaccines do require a second shot. I havent heard anything about vaccines making anyone feel sick though. Some people are more sensitive than others to some of the compounds that go into making and preserving vaccines in general though.

Despite what so many conspiracies would have you believe the vast majority of vaccines are safe and complications from getting any vaccine are very rare.

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TaKun782 posted...

So to keep this short on the whole subject, is it honestly going to work?

We have three I think over here in the UK with the highest one been 95% effective and the lowest been 70% effective. It's better than nothing but also won't completely rule out COVID as some folk are allergic to it so can't have it and others simply won't have it. Personally I'll wait until it becomes more common. They are going down the list by age groups anyway so I'll be near the bottom.

NeoSioType posted...

I heard there was a vaccine that makes you feel sick and you have to go back for a second shot.

Is that the one they're shipping out?

Yes. It's two shots. Some folk will get side effects.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I love when people without MDs think they know more about this shit than people who do lmao

Nice appeal to authority you have there

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Muscles posted...

Nice appeal to authority you have there

So you think you understand these vaccines as well as people have spent decades studying virology and are at the top of their fields?

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Mead posted...

So you think you understand these vaccines as well as people have spent decades studying virology and are at the top of their fields?

Not at all

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Muscles posted...

Not at all

then quit your bitching

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Muscles posted...

Not at all

Apparently your ignorant ass is more than ignorant. It's also fucking arded.

It could be at least June or July before most people in the US can get vaccinated, thanks to Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/trump-administration-passed-chance-lock-more-pfizer-vaccine-doses-n1250357?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

A former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration and a member of Pfizers board of directors said Tuesday that President Donald Trumps administration declined to secure millions of additional doses of Pfizer and BioNTech's coronavirus vaccine when it had the chance.

Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC that the White House declined multiple offers from Pfizer to strike a deal on more vaccines for the second quarter of 2021. Gottliebs statements came after The New York Times and The Associated Press reported that the Trump administration months ago did not lock in the chance to purchase millions of additional doses of Pfizers vaccine, which has shown to be highly effective against Covid-19.

That decision could delay the delivery of a second batch of doses until Pfizer fulfills other international contracts.

Pfizer has gone ahead and entered into agreement with other countries to sell them some of that vaccine in the second quarter of 2021, Gottlieb told CNBC.

Under its contract with Pfizer, the Trump administration committed to buy an initial 100 million doses, with an option to purchase as many as five times more.

But this summer, the White House opted not to lock in an additional 100 million doses for delivery in the second quarter of 2021, according to people who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly.

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papercup posted...

The vaccine has existed for a year, but it needed to go through months of trials to get approved.

They were developing a vaccine for a pandemic before a pandemic started?

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My dad is saying he won't take the vaccine, believes it was rushed through trials and will be used as an excuse to limit civil rights, and that overuse of vaccines in general have weakened the human immune system.

He's 65, luckily he lives in a region with almost no COVID.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

They were developing a vaccine for a pandemic before a pandemic started?

Yes, it's called Covid-19 for a reason.
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captpackrat posted...

It could be at least July or August before most people in the US can get vaccinated, thanks to Trump.

Honestly that seems optimistic. Even in countries that did secure orders in advance, it's expected to be fall 2021 before most are vaccinated.


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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yes, it's called Covid-19 for a reason.

Because it's the 19th version?

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Because it's the 19th version?

The first 18 left so many unanswered questions.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

They were developing a vaccine for a pandemic before a pandemic started?

Coronaviruses are a type of respiratory disease--there have been other iterations in the past and there has been ongoing vaccine research for many years. In really simple terms they just had to adapt it to this particular strain. They weren't starting from square one.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yes, it's called Covid-19 for a reason.

Please tell me there aren't still people who believe this a year later.

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man101 posted...

Coronaviruses are a type of respiratory disease--there have been other iterations in the past and there has been ongoing vaccine research for many years. In really simple terms they just had to adapt it to this particular strain. They weren't starting from square one.

There was all that talk about a SARS vaccine.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

There was all that talk about a SARS vaccine.

There was but then SARS blew over and people being people the development of a vaccine more or less halted because we don't like spending money on preventative health measures. Luckily we were able to pick up that research and that's why we have a covid-19 vaccine so quickly. That and international motivation.

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LOL I'm of the opinion that there was a vaccine before the virus was launched sort of like recording an album then putting the band together after the fact.

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Due to the lack of availability for the vast majority of the population early on the whole uncertainty will have largely gone away because those who come in contact with the disease the most will have taken the vaccine and documented any potential remaining undetected side effects.

so unless you are a doctor nurse or first responder the vaccine isnt even an option for you, and by the time it becomes available more and more people will have taken it from the various forms form diff companies.

due to the unique nature of the circumstances the problem of vaccine fears will work itself out by itself.


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SunWuKung420 posted...

They were developing a vaccine for a pandemic before a pandemic started?

Samples of the virus were sneaked out of China at the end of last year/early this year. The virus has probably existed for over a year and a half.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

LOL I'm of the opinion that there was a vaccine before the virus was launched sort of like recording an album then putting the band together after the fact.

I don't understand how people like you function day to day

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BUMPED2002 posted...

LOL I'm of the opinion that there was a vaccine before the virus was launched sort of like recording an album then putting the band together after the fact.

That is a very stupid thing to believe without any evidence suggesting it could be true

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Mead posted...

That is a very stupid thing to believe without any evidence suggesting it could be true

It's the same kind of dumb logic of people who think there is already a cure for cancer but doctors are hiding it in order to somehow make money even though doctors and their family members and the richest people in the world still die of cancer and also it's a fundamentally idiotic idea.

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Arcturusisnow posted...

Apparently your ignorant ass is more than ignorant. It's also fucking arded.

How is pointing out a logical fallacy ignorant?

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Muscles posted...

How is pointing out a logical fallacy ignorant?

We actually decided we dont need you pointing out any fallacies muscles

You simply dont know enough

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I like how Muscles seemed open to learning about the flu vaccine when I posted an assload of info on it, but is still nattering at people about 'appealing to authority' when it comes to taking medical advice. Just look it up for yourself and cool it on the provocative statements. Everyone's been well-trained by TV.

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ARE YOU GONNA LISTEN TO EVERYTHING YOUR TEACHER TELLS U? QUESTION EVERYTHING.

Don't bother posting postulation if you haven't actually followed your own postulations up with consulting with a few MDs. Stop wondering about it and put the footwork in.

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"Arguments from authority carry little weight authorities have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts."

Here's a quote from Carl Sagan for you, since you think I don't know what I'm saying

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There's a serious bad habit in today's society of stating that you "question things" but you don't spend any time looking for answers.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

I like how Muscles seemed open to learning about the flu vaccine when I posted an assload of info on it, but is still nattering at people about 'appealing to authority' when it comes to taking medical advice. Just look it up for yourself and cool it on the provocative statements. Everyone's been well-trained by TV.

There just isn't enough data out for a vaccine that isn't even been approved for the public to say that we should blindly trust the scientists about it, the best thing to do would wait for the results, not the predictions, because even the experts can be wrong

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Muscles posted...

"Arguments from authority carry little weight authorities have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts."

Here's a quote from Carl Sagan for you, since you think I don't know what I'm saying

You are applying "authority" to anything you see fit. Doctors!!! They are authority. Doctors carry much less authority than politicians, as can be evidenced by the varying responses to COVID.

I agree with you and Carl Sagan that we should not trust authority, but should trust the respective experts in their fields.

Is this lady an 'expert' or is she 'authority'? I would consider her an expert.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/nov/21/covid-vaccine-technology-pioneer-i-never-doubted-it-would-work

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Conner4REAL posted...

Due to the lack of availability for the vast majority of the population early on the whole uncertainty will have largely gone away because those who come in contact with the disease the most will have taken the vaccine and documented any potential remaining undetected side effects.

so unless you are a doctor nurse or first responder the vaccine isnt even an option for you, and by the time it becomes available more and more people will have taken it from the various forms form diff companies.

due to the unique nature of the circumstances the problem of vaccine fears will work itself out by itself.

This is basically my stance on it. I'm skeptical because of how quickly the vaccine has been railroaded through the usual steps, but by the time I even have the option of taking it, vastly more people will have taken it than ever would in a normal vaccine trial and I won't need to be skeptical anymore. Relying on vulnerable people and front-line workers to test it for me like that isn't particularly ethical, but I don't really have much choice with how the whole situation is going to play out. All I can do is roll with it.

Muscles posted...

"Arguments from authority carry little weight authorities have made mistakes in the past. They will do so again in the future. Perhaps a better way to say it is that in science there are no authorities; at most, there are experts."

Here's a quote from Carl Sagan for you, since you think I don't know what I'm saying

"He's right because he's a doctor" is fallacious, because it relies entirely on his status as an authority figure to validate his opinion. "He's more credible than you because he's spent decades studying this matter and publishing works on it which any of us can read while you saw a youtube video once" is not fallacious. That's just the basic concept of evaluating sources before citing them.

Doctors and epidemiologists are not always right, but the only alternative we have to listening to them is to make it all up ourselves, and that's just dumb. The best option we have is to listen to them and trust that they're operating based on the best available data until they are found not to be.

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Muscles posted...

There just isn't enough data out for a vaccine that isn't even been approved for the public to say that we should blindly trust the scientists about it, the best thing to do would wait for the results, not the predictions, because even the experts can be wrong

"There just isn't enough data"

Where does this information come from? Can you back this up?

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ReturnOfFa posted...

"There just isn't enough data"

Where does this information come from? Can you back this up?

What are you talking about? We literally have nothing until we start giving to people the vaccine and see how they react. There could be some terrible side effects we don't know about that would come to light later

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Muscles posted...

There just isn't enough data out for a vaccine that isn't even been approved for the public to say that we should blindly trust the scientists about it, the best thing to do would wait for the results, not the predictions, because even the experts can be wrong

Here is an article that provides some healthy scepticism that you may find interesting. That being said, the studies still indicate the various vaccines as safe and effective. I apologize again if I come across as an ass about this, I just feel quite strongly about it. Cheers.

You can say "we literally have nothing until we start giving to people the vaccine" but we HAVE literally done SOMEthing and people HAVE been given the vaccine in studies, dating back MANY months.

https://hbr.org/2020/12/covid-19-vaccine-trials-are-a-case-study-on-the-challenges-of-data-literacy

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