Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic:Madness at the Darkmoon Faire

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10 neutrals huh

Warleader, Knife Juggler, Arcane Golem, Leper Gnome, Bonemare, Dragonqueen, Archivist, Small Time, Undertaker

Would they unnerf one of Patches/Corridor? I think one of them is the tenth unless I missed something big

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Saronite chain gang maybe? They changed his card to avoid Shudderwock shenanigans but it broke his hand buff synergy.

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Oh I forgot about that one

So yeah those 9 and Saronite, think they leave Patches/Corridor alone

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Saronite was already spoiled basically, so we know that's one of the 10.

I don't think they touch Archivist Elysiana. It's only used in Odd Warrior in wild. Buffing it to 8 mana means that it would be used in no wild decks (non-Odd Warrior has access to Dead Man's Hand, which is like 50x better). Unless they like...buff Elysiana to 7 mana or something.

I think Frenzied Felwing probably also gets the un-nerf. Don't remember it ever actually doing much in wild when it was 3/3.

I'm skittish about Undertaker. Undertaker is actually that good, like probably still the best minion they've ever printed, but the deathrattles are pretty weak now, so it would be a highroll deck that did well if it drew undertaker on turn 1, and badly if it didn't draw undertaker. IDK, doesn't sound like it would be fun for either player.

I really don't think they'll revert Small Time Buckaneer. Instantly goes into nearly every deck running patches (including Kingsbane Rogue, Odd Rogue, Pirate Warrior). These are tier 1-2 decks.

They might put Giggling Inventor down to 5 mana. It wasn't played in wild at 5 mana when it first came out, and I'm not sure why they left it at 6 mana when they "buffed" it.

Are they crazy enough to do Leeroy Jenkins at 4 mana? I feel like it's not impossible that they do this, just because most of the decks that run Leeroy right now are odd decks, so it would actually make those decks weaker (while making other decks stronger).

I hope they don't cause it was really obnoxious at 3 mana and still gets played sometimes in wild at 4 mana, but there is a nightmare scenario where they decide to make Bad Luck Albatross 3 mana again.

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Oh I forgot Felwing and Albatross, uh they might revert those.

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Anyway, I think these are a lock:

Dragonqueen Alextraza
Bonemare
Saronite Chain Gang
Frenzied Felwing
Arcane Golem

4 of them are pretty low impact in wild, and Saronite Chain Gang has already been spoiled.

These are really likely cause it's hard to get to 10 without them, and while maybe some decks play them, they aren't that scary:

Knife Juggler
Leper Gnome

Which leaves 3 cards out of the following list:

Murloc Warleader (Not that scary, but if they ever want to bring it back to standard it stays +2/+0. If they plan to leave it in wild, it becomes +2/+1).
Giggling Inventor (Not that scary in theory. However they did just un-nerf Rogue Quest, and it's scary in Quest Rogue).
Leeroy Jenkins (Normally I wouldn't expect them to buff a card that's already seeing wild play, but it's not impossible just cause it would actually shake up the meta, weaken odd decks a little and it's not clear what it would strengthen).
Bad Luck Albatross (Most people who play wild don't want this back at 3, but how tuned in are they with the wild community? Find out tomorrow...).
Undertaker (Would they bring back the best creature of all time just because it doesn't have the support cards it used to?)
Archivist Elysiana (I mean, very safe revert, it just ruins the card for the only wild deck that wanted it; will they actually bear that in mind before doing their reverts? Stay tuned...).

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UltimaterializerX posted...

So it's narrowed down to these 19? How did people figure this out?

There's only been 19 neutral cards nerfed since patch 1.0.0.5832 (the patch that is being used for Classic Mode). The assumption is that none of the cards will be reverted to older versions than classic (e.g. no pre-nerf Tinkmaster Overspark).

EDIT: oh yeah, guess I forgot about Faceless Corruptor. Eh, yeah, it's a contender. On the one hand, the card has shown up in a couple wild decks as a 4/4, like odd paladin, but on the other hand...not recently. Maybe the card is fine at 5/4. But then again, it was only a 5/4 for like...three weeks, do people really have nostalgia for 5/4 faceless?

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Well one more hint about what's being reverted tomorrow:

https://twitter.com/IksarHS/status/1369857154077761540

This was posted a few hours ago, so after Charge in warrior was reverted.

Which suggests at least one of Leeroy Jenkins, Arcane Golem, or Patches will be getting reverted tomorrow. (But I already expected Arcane Golem).

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https://twitter.com/GW_Alec/status/1370068287615164420

Undertaker (gets +1/+1)
Arcane Golem (4/2 w/ Charge)
Leper Gnome (2/1)
Knife Juggler (3/2)
Bonemare (7 mana)
Saronite Chain Gang (summons copy)
Archivist Elysiana (8 mana)
DQA (0 mana dragons, can't get self)
Albatross (3 mana)
Frenzied Felwing (3/3)

Well RIP, the two I didn't want to see them touch (Elysiana cause it would make her unplayable in Odd Warrior, and Albatross cause it was in every deck last time it was 3 mana in wild) did indeed get reverted.

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OK, what are the interesting exclusions?

No Giggling Inventor. A little surprised by this, they're handing out a lot of aggro tools, and no control tools, and also Giggling Inventor was barely played in wild as a 5 drop before. But also not really surprised since Giggling is a monster in Quest Rogue. They probably want to see if Quest Rogue becomes a force in the meta, and then if it is still a non-factor in the meta maybe Giggling goes back down to 5 next year?

No Murloc Warleader. It's a battlegrounds card and also a card they might think about bringing back to standard; has to be one of those two reasons.

No Faceless Corruptor. I'm not surprised by this--a lot of these un-nerfs are targeted at nostalgia, and nobody actually has nostalgia for 5/4 Faceless because it was nerfed to 4/4 in like...two weeks, and then spent a full year seeing plenty of play as a 4/4, so most people probably remember that version.

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Yeah BG being the reason for Warleader makes sense, it would make it pretty OP in BG.

Giggling would see play in a lot of aggro decks btw, it was like an auto include in a lot of them (Odd Pally, Zoo, Token Druid, I think Odd Rogue ran it too) at 5.


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metroid composite posted...

they're handing out a lot of aggro tools, and no control tools

So business as usual.

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VeryInsane posted... Giggling would see play in a lot of aggro decks btw, it was like an auto include in a lot of them (Odd Pally, Zoo, Token Druid, I think Odd Rogue ran it too) at 5.

Not in wild.

When I looked during the time period when Giggling was 5 mana in wild, the tier list I looked at none of the aggro decks ran it, and only one control deck ran it out of 24 decklists (Reno Warlock). Here's a tier list I looked at:

https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta-snapshot/wild/2018-09-01

This includes zero copies in wild Odd Rogue and zero copies in wild Odd Paladin at the time.

The card for aggro decks is a setup card right? You play it turn 5, and then turn 6 because it's so sticky it's probably still alive so you play Fungalmancer or Wargear or Soul of the Forest or Savage Roar or whatever. But that's a turn 6 plan with a turn 5 setup, a little bit slow for wild aggro, a lot of wild decks can actually clear a giggling inventor easily through cards like defile or flamewaker, or not even clear it just cast spreading plague and laugh at you, or just clear it by having a wide board and attacking into it--it's not nearly as sticky as it was in standard, and also people don't really run Fungalmancer in wild anymore so the turn 6 buff followup isn't really there.

Just...pretty sure there's good reasons why it wasn't run in aggro decks in wild before, and I don't think anything has really changed.

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Well lost three in a row with pure paladin, after going on winstreaks with it earlier in the season. But I decided, pure paladin isn't supposed to be that good right now, I'm just comfortable with it. So I switched to Libroom Paladin. Got some wins back, but still don't feel super comfortable deciding when to hold resources and when to spend resources with this deck.

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11k at BGs now

In this meta I think great chance to highroll (Omu, Maeiv, Jandice with a token, Millhouse, Patches, Rafaam) is the best followed by consistency heroes (Rag, Cthun, George, Silas, Akazam, these get a lot better when certain tribes arent in) then tempo heroes (Lich King, Al Akir, Greybough)

when you dont get any of those heroes theres lower consistency (Kael, Raka, Noz, Mill) and great high roll but potential 8th (Tick, Zeph, Tess, Barov, Reno, hell I guess Eudora even fits here)

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Well, this sure is a "we did it reddit" moment:

https://twitter.com/GW_Alec/status/1371509599841484806

OG Stonetusk Boar and Bluegill Warrior are going to wild with charge; a new 2/1 beast with rush and 3/1 murloc with rush will replace them in standard.

You can thank fans of Anyfin Paladin for that one. (But I am a little worried about the implications for Quest Rogue, since they probably playtested Quest Rogue -without- boar).

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LiquidOshawott posted...

11k at BGs now

Wish I had that success. I was climbing for a while, and I've done nothing but bleed rating for like 2 weeks now.

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azuarc posted...

Wish I had that success. I was climbing for a while, and I've done nothing but bleed rating for like 2 weeks now.

Triple turn 6 into Lightfang is really good right now.

but if you dont have a triple by like 7 or 8 you just kinda stay on 4 and go mechs or taunt comp

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New neutral epic:

8 mana 6/6
Elemental

Battlecry: draw your highest cost spell and summon a random minion with the same cost

Seems pretty strong

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8 Mana 18/18 draw a pyroblast sounds fair

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Oh hey Kazakus is back

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Which class is able to take advantage of the no four drop requirement the best? A lot rougher than no dupes.

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LiquidOshawott posted...

Oh hey Kazakus is back

I still need to see what the golems can do.

Like...the only one we've seen is 5 mana 5/5 taunt draw 2 cards, and that is I mean...better than Big ol' whelp I guess, but is it enough better to justify playing a 3/3 on turn 4? Is it enough better to justify cutting all your other 4 drops? Ehhhhhh....


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Camden posted...

Which class is able to take advantage of the no four drop requirement the best? A lot rougher than no dupes.

Stealth Rogue at the moment runs no 4 drops and could maybe run Shaodw Step, so there's that as an option. But this seems like this might be designed as more of a value card, so IDK if an aggro deck will care.

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Welp, they're printing support for Wild Even Mage

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/m6g06r/new_cards_reckless_apprentice_and_mordresh_fire/

So that's kinda neat.

(Presumably meant for a hero power mage in standard, of course).

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The hero power mage gimmick is something I like the idea of, but it feels like yet another gimmick that won't get enough support to ever actually do anything.

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Camden posted...

The hero power mage gimmick is something I like the idea of, but it feels like yet another gimmick that won't get enough support to ever actually do anything.

I mean, the two revealed cards don't seem like they need any support other than each other.

One of them is a 4 mana 3/5 with attached Arcane Explosion (that also hits face for 1).

Pretty solid when you realize that the following 2 cards saw play--a 5 mana 3/6 with a whirlwind effect:

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/cards/50412-dragonmaw-scorcher?set=wild&textFilter=1%20damage

And a 3 mana 2/2 with an arcane explosion effect:

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/cards/38409-twilight-flamecaller?set=wild&textFilter=1%20damage

The other card only really requires synergy from the first card, and then it becomes a 10 mana pyroblast the opponent's face while summoning a 10/10 and clearing their board.

I'm not sure if you run the core set hero power cards like Coldarra Drake or Fallen Hero alongside these cards, but pretty sure you could just run these two cards stand-alone.

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Just wait until the next expansion when we get a card that says "cast a random spell for each time your hero power was used this game".

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skullbone posted...

Just wait until the next expansion when we get a card that says "cast a random spell for each time your hero power was used this game".

Please no.

I like hero power decks because they have a high level of consistency, even if you don't draw what you need, you can hero power and it's not that bad.

Giving hero power decks the equivalent of puzzle box of yogg saron is like...the opposite of that.

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You know Arena might be easier if my draws didn't look like this on a not-small number of occasions.



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If that hunter card that draws spells is an indication that they really are moving away from random generation and more towards card draw then I'm all for it. Demon Hunter legendary seems mediocre and the deathrattle card makes wonder if they want deathrattle DH to be a thing. They seemingly want deathrattle hunter to be a thing and have so far failed to make it be popular. Hunter loses so much though that maybe it becomes a thing and maybe they print some good DH cards with deathrattle.

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please retire from board 8 and go to some alt right portion of the internet where people appreciate your edgelord divisiveness. I'm tired of having to block you 10x a year when you become insufferable in topics I enjoy.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

10x a year

You know that blocking isn't a one-month thing that expires, right?

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Libram + Pen Flinger wasn't obnoxious enough, now they summon 2/2 lifesteal minions with them as well.

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Libram Paladin definitely looks a bit scary going into this expansion. Although worth noting the pen flinger part of the deck will get a bit less reliable cause they are losing Salhet's Pride, which was a fast way to reliably tutor for pen flingers and broomsticks out of the deck. Might not always draw pen flinger now; paladin draw is really bad.

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I reached a point during this expansion where I was just conceding if a Paladin played pen flinger so hopefully it's not as popular.

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skullbone posted...

I reached a point during this expansion where I was just conceding if a Paladin played pen flinger so hopefully it's not as popular.

I would slow-play every turn so as not to reward them with a win that quickly.

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