Poll of the Day > Donald Trump win should be seen as an opportunity for Bernie Bros 2024

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If Joe wins, they would have to wait until at least 2028.
DNC stole the nomination from Bernie so this is a chance to hold them accountable and not let them fuck up 4 years from now.

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Ferarri619 posted...

DNC stole the nomination from Bernie

as someone who voted for Sanders in the primary, this is a load of bullshit

the DNC does not tell regular people how they have to vote in the primary, and the majority voted for Biden

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lol as if he'll still be alive

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Kimbos_Egg posted...

lol as if he'll still be alive

yoo lol

i shouldve elected kimbo as vice pres instead

you know, because he's bl...

bloody funny

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Bernie already so old.

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Biden said he wanted to be a single-term president and Sanders is not interested in running again.

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Bernie will be too old to run then.
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Mead posted...

the DNC does not tell regular people how they have to vote in the primary, and the majority voted for Biden

you really think they didn't try to influence the vote towards biden in every way possible, with the tactical withdrawals/endorsements towards one of the candidates with the least momentum and the overreporting of how biden was Ackshually Winning By Losing early on?

you don't need to strongarm americans into voting against their own interests because they're so easily manipulated. literally all you need to do is shout "OUR SIDE IS WINNING" harder than the other and people flock to it

we've been led to believe our party does no wrong and all the ills in our democracy are because of the other side; people do not critically consider the information they consume when it comes from "their" side

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agesboy posted...

we've been led to believe our party does no wrong

um thats not a thing I have ever been led to believe

the DNC can message all they want but in the end its the primary voters that decide who the nominee ends up being

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Obama told Bernie to sit in 2016
Someone told Bernie to sit in 2020..

.. I dont think they like Bernie -_-

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Doesn't have to be Bernie who runs, just someone with his policies.

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yea run a socialist next time plz thanks

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I think there is no shot someone like Bernie wins. If this election is evidence of anything its that there is a Bernie bubble online and we aren't connected to the rest of the population.

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how bout someone under the age of 90 for once?

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Smarkil posted...

how bout someone under the age of 90 for once?

What do you mean for once? Its only been a more recent trend.

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While a Trump win could potentially give Bernie another chance to run, I think his presidential aspirations are at an end whether there's an opportunity in 2024 or 2028. He was never a realistic candidate, and now he would be 81 in 2024 and 85 in 2028. I mean never say never with ages, but he'd really be pushing it.

And although the Democrats are running out of established "stars", keep in mind that Obama wasn't a big party name until he won the primary. Their next big candidate could be somebody we haven't heard about.

Otherwise, Joe Biden probably won't serve out his whole term so it's *possible* there might be a Democratic challenger in 2024 if Kamala becomes the de facto president

Ferarri619 posted...

DNC stole the nomination from Bernie

Patently false. And this time was an even cleaner loss for Bernie than last time.


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Obviously a big Bernie supporter, he's not running again. He's too old, he lost too many times. US will likely swing Republican. We're likely looking at Nina Turner or AOC as the new Bernie Sanders.

Mead posted...

as someone who voted for Sanders in the primary, this is a load of bullshit

the DNC does not tell regular people how they have to vote in the primary, and the majority voted for Biden

Haha no. I like being the big man and accepting loss, but that's dishonest. They all coordinated to have all their candidates drop out and endorse Biden on the same day, except Warren, who served to siphon Bernie votes, until she also dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was amazingly biased against Bernie. Remember when Bernie was at 38% and Biden was at 4%? The entire DNC was in panic mode. People on MSNBC were literally crying.

And then there was the fact the several superdelegates came out and confirmed they would override the vote because they didn't want Bernie to win.

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Zeus posted...

Otherwise, Joe Biden probably won't serve out his whole term so it's *possible* there might be a Democratic challenger in 2024 if Kamala becomes the de facto president

Yeah joe biden's brain is already mush. Imagine what this dude is gonna be like in 4 years

Yellow posted...

We're likely looking at Nina Turner or AOC as the new Bernie Sanders.

AOC is a weird comparison considering that they don't really share anything close to the same priorities. Sure, they're both far-left radicals, but their focus is on vastly different things and AOC is generally even more fringe than Bernie.

Yellow posted...

Haha no. I like being the big man and accepting loss, but that's dishonest. They all coordinated to have all their candidates drop out and endorse Biden on the same day, except Warren, who served to siphon Bernie votes, until she also dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was amazingly biased against Bernie. Remember when Bernie was at 38% and Biden was at 4%? The entire DNC was in panic mode

Which is a silly charge. Most of the people who dropped out already had poor showings, and your conspiracy theory suggests that Warren works at the behest of the DNC which is laughable.


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Zeus posted...

AOC is a weird comparison considering that they don't really share anything close to the same priorities. Sure, they're both far-left radicals, but their focus is on vastly different things and AOC is generally even more fringe than Bernie.

No, they are all part of the same progressive caucus and very strong allies.

Zeus posted...

Which is a silly charge. Most of the people who dropped out already had poor showings, and your conspiracy theory suggests that Warren works at the behest of the DNC which is laughable.

Do you not remember? They dropped out and endorsed Biden the day before election day. It was a coordinated effort to prevent Bernie from winning.

And Warren is as welcome in the progressive party as Obama.

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people with more support than biden dropped out to support biden

do you really not find that weird

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Yellow posted...

No, they are all part of the same progressive caucus and very strong allies.

Do you not remember? They dropped out and endorsed Biden the day before election day. It was a coordinated effort to prevent Bernie from winning.

And Warren is as welcome in the progressive party as Obama.

Yeah, even Buttiegieg, who looked like he had a real shot at it.

Also, if Warren was an actual progressive instead of the bullshit she is, she would've dropped out long before she did and endorsed Bernie.
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Yellow posted...

Haha no. I like being the big man and accepting loss, but that's dishonest. They all coordinated to have all their candidates drop out and endorse Biden on the same day, except Warren, who served to siphon Bernie votes, until she also dropped out and endorsed Biden. It was amazingly biased against Bernie. Remember when Bernie was at 38% and Biden was at 4%? The entire DNC was in panic mode. People on MSNBC were literally crying.

And then there was the fact the several superdelegates came out and confirmed they would override the vote because they didn't want Bernie to win.

none of that forced voters to vote for Biden

everyone complains about the superdelegates and I dont like them either, but superdelegates did not decide the outcome of the primaries in 2020 or in 2016, voters did

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They didn't do voter fraud, of course not.

They only did everything they could logistically short of voter fraud to funnel votes to Biden and then said they would commit voter fraud if he didn't win. Big difference.

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Yellow posted...

They didn't do voter fraud, of course not.

They only did everything they could logistically short of voter fraud to funnel votes to Biden and then said they would commit voter fraud if he didn't win. Big difference.

voters voted the way they voted

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voters voted the way they were manipulated to

the fact that you don't see a problem with propaganda and manipulation makes you very american, i guess

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agesboy posted...

voters voted the way they were manipulated to

the fact that you don't see a problem with propaganda and manipulation makes you very american, i guess

not saying it isnt a problem but at the end of the day in a democracy voters make up their own minds

the RNC absolutely did not want trump to be the nominee in 2016 and tried to keep that from happening but instead of crying about it conservatives actually got out and voted for the guy, democrats simply didnt do the same for Bernie unfortunately

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Yellow posted...

No, they are all part of the same progressive caucus

Not really. Although I'm sure that they see eye-to-eye on many of the same issues, Bernie Sanders isn't often a Democrat and they have very different priorities.

Yellow posted...

They dropped out and endorsed Biden the day before election day.

What? They dropped out during the midst of the primaries, not "the day before election day" (whatever that is). And the people who dropped out didn't have a viable shot anyway. They hadn't done well and weren't projected to do well, so they dropped out. And then others dropped out after Biden picked up TEN races on Super Tuesday.

Only two candidates dropped out right before Super Tuesday. Then Tom Steyer, who spent more time promoting Bernie Sanders than himself, dropped out in late February (and didn't endorse anybody).

This is just another fictitious narrative that BernBros created to justify the fact that Bernie Sanders is a terrible candidate nobody wants and a selfish asshole who joined the Democrats to run for president, lost, left the party, and then re-joined just to run for president.

Yellow posted...

And Warren is as welcome in the progressive party as Obama.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but Warren is closer to Bernie on issues than Bernie is to AOC.

agesboy posted...

people with more support than biden dropped out to support biden

People who were polling badly and had so-so showings in early states dropped out because Biden was already set to carry those areas that would have made a greater impact. The argument that, "Oh, well ___ came in first in one state!", is idiotic when you consider how little impact the state the ONLY state they'd placed first in had, the fact that they'd done badly in other contests, and were projected to do badly in the big contests. Not every candidate wants to John Kasich the whole primary.

Two candidates dropped out immediately prior to Super Tuesday and neither one had done all that great beforehand and weren't projected to shake things up on Super Tuesday. Otherwise candidates dropped out through February, which is common and happens every primary.

lihlih posted...

Yeah, even Buttiegieg, who looked like he had a real shot at it.

lolwut? Mayor Pete had only managed to win ONE state and had mediocre showings everywhere else.

lihlih posted...

Also, if Warren was an actual progressive instead of the bullshit she is, she would've dropped out long before she did and endorsed Bernie.

That's not how that shit works. However, if Bernie had dropped out and thrown his weight behind Warren, Warren might have been able to beat Biden. But I guess Bernie isn't a real progressive for refusing to abandon his political ambitions to help somebody else win, right?

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American voters will believe anything to absolve themselves of responsibility for their democratically elected leaders

Y'all don't deserve Bernie and you probably deserve Trump

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Zeus posted...

lolwut? Mayor Pete had only managed to win ONE state and had mediocre showings everywhere else.

It's kind of hard to perform well in a race when you drop out of it to support one of your competitors.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Y'all don't deserve Bernie

No country has done enough awful things to deserve Bernie. He'd be too harsh a punishment even for China.

Entity13 posted...

It's kind of hard to perform well in a race when you drop out of it to support one of your competitors.

He dropped out after what, 6 or 7 primary races? During which he only won one and placed second in maybe one other race and wasn't projected to do well on Super Tuesday? It wasn't so much, "Oh shit! He got Iowa!", as it was "Oh, shit... He only got Iowa." And the thing that people who aren't terribly with familiar politics forget is that candidates frequently drop out and throw their support behind a much stronger competitor in hopes of scoring a place in that competitor's administration. Either one could have been hoping for a VP spot.

The only thing that was "orchestrated" by the DNC was strongarming Biden into taking Harris as a running mate, because Harris was a terribly unlikely VP choice (although he *may* have wanted Klobuchar -- which would have made more sense -- up until the BLM riots in her state). And keep in mind that Harris *was* the DNC's handpicked champion. They'd been promoting and grooming her for a very long time, but the American people just didn't want her. So instead of getting her to be the VP, they pushed Biden to make her the VP knowing that he's unlikely to serve a full term anyway and thus they'll get Harris as the president that way.

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Bernie will never run again no matter who wins. The dude is almost 80, theres a chance he wont make it to 2028.

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Zeus posted...

Not really. Although I'm sure that they see eye-to-eye on many of the same issues, Bernie Sanders isn't often a Democrat and they have very different priorities.

What? They dropped out during the midst of the primaries, not "the day before election day" (whatever that is). And the people who dropped out didn't have a viable shot anyway. They hadn't done well and weren't projected to do well, so they dropped out. And then others dropped out after Biden picked up TEN races on Super Tuesday.

Only two candidates dropped out right before Super Tuesday. Then Tom Steyer, who spent more time promoting Bernie Sanders than himself, dropped out in late February (and didn't endorse anybody).

This is just another fictitious narrative that BernBros created to justify the fact that Bernie Sanders is a terrible candidate nobody wants and a selfish asshole who joined the Democrats to run for president, lost, left the party, and then re-joined just to run for president.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but Warren is closer to Bernie on issues than Bernie is to AOC.

People who were polling badly and had so-so showings in early states dropped out because Biden was already set to carry those areas that would have made a greater impact. The argument that, "Oh, well ___ came in first in one state!", is idiotic when you consider how little impact the state the ONLY state they'd placed first in had, the fact that they'd done badly in other contests, and were projected to do badly in the big contests. Not every candidate wants to John Kasich the whole primary.

Two candidates dropped out immediately prior to Super Tuesday and neither one had done all that great beforehand and weren't projected to shake things up on Super Tuesday. Otherwise candidates dropped out through February, which is common and happens every primary.

lolwut? Mayor Pete had only managed to win ONE state and had mediocre showings everywhere else.

That's not how that shit works. However, if Bernie had dropped out and thrown his weight behind Warren, Warren might have been able to beat Biden. But I guess Bernie isn't a real progressive for refusing to abandon his political ambitions to help somebody else win, right?

Except Warren had no chance at that point. She was acting as a progressive just to siphon votes from Sanders and help Biden win.
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Bernie is a plant!

He's just there to get the radicals to vote Dems at all and never had any intention of actually running for real

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Zeus posted...

He dropped out after what, 6 or 7 primary races? During which he only won one and placed second in maybe one other race and wasn't projected to do well on Super Tuesday?

Considering how Hillary vs Obama played out in 08, that doesn't really mean much. I know, however, that I wasn't the only person who didn't even get to vote for Pete because he withdrew and backed the man I didn't want. I also know that if Pete were to run again, I'd have zero trust in him after this point.

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Zeus posted...

No country has done enough awful things to deserve Bernie. He'd be too harsh a punishment even for China.

Ah yes, because socialist policies are literally worse than ethnic cleansing. Zeus at his finest.

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AOC could get the Gen Z vote

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Zareth posted...

Ah yes, because socialist policies are literally worse than ethnic cleansing. Zeus at his finest.

Don't you know that pretty much every other first world country is suffering because of their Healthcare system?/s
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Jen0125 posted...

AOC could get the Gen Z vote

Who, by that point, would probably have a different name for their generation, like how Gen Y became Millennials since that's more original than using the next letter to follow a generation that had only tried to sound cool.

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I thought we were calling them zoomers.

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Entity13 posted...

like how Gen Y became Millennials since that's more original than using the next letter to follow a generation that had only tried to sound cool.

Uhm, no? Millenial has only been an insult aimed at a certain kind of mindset.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I thought we were calling them zoomers.

I don't think that's been agreed upon, but I could be wrong?

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Entity13 posted...

I don't think that's been agreed upon, but I could be wrong?

Because a letter-substitution pun is better than just using the next letter?

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Uhm, no? Millenial has only been an insult aimed at a certain kind of mindset.

Nope, it applies to the whole generation. The derogatory usage by any amount of the media can be disregarded here, especially since they can't seem to get straight if they're talking about us versus the current tweens.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Uhm, no? Millenial has only been an insult aimed at a certain kind of mindset.

No it hasn't. It's a generally accepted term for the generation who came of age (teens) around the year 2000.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Because a letter-substitution pun is better than just using the next letter?

This sounds somewhere between strawman and weak man fallacy, and I'm curious where you are getting this interpretation to what's been said.

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Oh boy another person is about to learn millenials are all in their 20s to late 30s

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Yeah, millennials are mid-late 20s to late 30s at this point. It's crazy how there's still this mindset that we're all jobless college students.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Oh boy another person is about to learn millenials are all in their 20s to late 30s

Many are, but just because it is a mindset prevalent in my generation, does not mean all of us are millenials.

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Jen0125 posted...

Yeah, millennials are mid-late 20s to late 30s at this point. It's crazy how there's still this mindset that we're all jobless college students.

It often feels like such critics are stuck in the late 90s or early 2000s with their stagnating beliefs or lives. Feels like. Sometimes, it's clear criticisms aimed at current college students, while referring to them as our demographic's generation label, is just trying to get Boomers and older X folk to despise everyone else trying actually make a change for the better around here. Confused gaslighting - weee...

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