Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 333: Biden out The Storm [2020 Edition]

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 6:32:46 PM
#51:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Last year, Virginia was the state that opened my eyes to the realization that there actually are people out there who fly the Confederate flag on their front porch.

Thanks for that, Virginia.
Ugh, that's terrible. Where in VA?

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 6:34:05 PM
#52:


xp1337 posted...
What worries me about Georgia is the runoff. If I "just" had to believe Warnock and Ossoff had to get the most votes I might have the former Lean D and Ossoff just a tossup.

But the fact that that is not sufficient and they need to hit 50%+1 or else we get a run-off is what makes me a bit of a downer on them, because I'm not sure I think Georgia can replicate the turnout for a run-off and you know Kemp and the Republicans will dial up the suppression and bullshit to even higher levels for it.

I know there's been a poll or two showing at least Warnock hitting 50%+ but ugh.
Lukewarm take: unless any of these races avoid a runoff they'll go to the opposite party of the winner of the presidency

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red sox 777
10/30/20 6:36:47 PM
#53:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Ugh, that's terrible. Where in VA?

I see confederate flags driving through Washington, Oregon, and California. I would be very surprised if they weren't present in the home of the Army of Northern Virginia (it's actually their battle flag, not the CSA national flag).

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UberPyro64
10/30/20 6:37:08 PM
#54:


https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1322291983394705408

How do you guys feel about this? Seems nice, but I'm not ready to fully believe Biden will win until he does.

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xp1337
10/30/20 6:37:16 PM
#55:


Eh, I think Georgia runoffs are Lean R at worst regardless of the result of the presidency but I see where you're coming from.

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Corrik7
10/30/20 6:38:46 PM
#56:


UberPyro64 posted...
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1322291983394705408

How do you guys feel about this? Seems nice, but I'm not ready to fully believe Biden will win until he does.
Wasn't it 99% in 2016.

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Corrik7
10/30/20 6:40:42 PM
#57:


https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-10-30/biden-aides-see-warning-signs-in-black-latino-turnout-so-far

That plus a record share for the republican candidate could be worrying in PA.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/30/20 6:40:47 PM
#58:


My GA situation is weird because I Iive in Cobb. We already broke for the Dems in 2018, it's not like that's gonna change now. Locally, there's not much to do, and talking about how much more Biden representation I see here isn't surprising.

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xp1337
10/30/20 6:41:16 PM
#59:


UberPyro64 posted...


How do you guys feel about this? Seems nice, but I'm not ready to fully believe Biden will win until he does.
That Morris (the guy behind the Economist forecast) is totally stealing my predix with that 352 EV estimate (my map had 351.) /s

I'm a bit leery of that 97% number. I think a lot of it is 2016 PTSD because the data clearly shows Biden in a commanding spot and even 538 isn't that far off that number really. But any time I start feeling really optimistic it's like I feel the need to panic and get depressed and anxious again.

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UberPyro64
10/30/20 6:43:52 PM
#60:


Corrik7 posted...
Wasn't it 99% in 2016.

I believe it was less than that in 2016, but I really don't remember. I think they had Trump at 33% on one of them back then, but I could be wrong.

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 6:44:29 PM
#61:


Afaik a lot of the divergence between 538 and the Economists' models are that the latter threw out Trafalgar (good reason to suspect they're not totally on the up-and-up, but it might bias the Economist towards Biden regardless).

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Corrik7
10/30/20 6:45:25 PM
#62:


UberPyro64 posted...
I believe it was less than that in 2016, but I really don't remember. I think they had Trump at 33% on one of them back then, but I could be wrong.
Thought they were all 99% besides Silver.

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red sox 777
10/30/20 6:47:37 PM
#63:


Yeah, it's really important not to throw out outliers, and to have a good estimate for unknown unknowns. That's why 538 gave Trump a reasonable 30% in 2016 instead of the lolworthy 1% other models were giving.

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Grimlyn
10/30/20 6:48:57 PM
#64:


https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1322206119486464004

has CNN Comms always had this much bite

(ps thank god it wasn't Diane)

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 6:49:08 PM
#65:


Speaking of which, Trafalgar thread from Nate

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1322301003090268162

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red sox 777
10/30/20 6:50:27 PM
#66:


Also, these headlines have gotten so partisan that I have no idea what's actually going on. One article says the early vote favors Republicans, the next says Democrats, and all the data is given levels of spin significantly less transparent than me projecting characters to make deep comebacks using Crono/Vincent 2007 trends.

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UberPyro64
10/30/20 6:51:31 PM
#67:


red sox 777 posted...
Yeah, it's really important not to throw out outliers, and to have a good estimate for unknown unknowns. That's why 538 gave Trump a reasonable 30% in 2016 instead of the lolworthy 1% other models were giving.

Yeah, that was the poll I was thinking of. Not from the same guys as the one I posted. Right now they have him at 10%. Considerably lower than in 2016. Which makes me less nervous, but still not fully convinced.

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UshiromiyaEva
10/30/20 6:51:56 PM
#68:


Grimlyn posted...
https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1322206119486464004

has CNN Comms always had this much bite

(ps thank god it wasn't Diane)

I feel like I should know who Kirstie Alley is, but I really don't.

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 6:52:14 PM
#69:


I'm gonna stick with my prior that nobody who knows enough to maybe glean anything useful beyond "turnout is high" from the early vote is going to be confidently proclaiming that they learned something useful from the early vote

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Grimlyn
10/30/20 6:58:54 PM
#70:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
I feel like I should know who Kirstie Alley is, but I really don't.
I even threw in a hint about Diane! she's the inferior Cheers love interest Rebecca

uhhhh if you didn't watch Cheers well she was also a Jenny Craig spokeswoman for a while who I think I often mixed up with Brooke Shields from Suddenly Susan

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 6:59:41 PM
#71:


https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1322311110129819651

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UshiromiyaEva
10/30/20 7:00:19 PM
#72:


I have heard of but never seen Cheers.

Everything other word you said is moon speak.

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CaptainOfCrush
10/30/20 7:00:33 PM
#73:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Ugh, that's terrible. Where in VA?
Near Shenandoah National Park and the WV border. We spent the holidays in a cabin there. Super rural area, but it was still a wake-up call since I've never seen it before (city boy from the west coast). I counted at least a dozen - every second or third home I drove by seemed to proudly fly it.

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Suprak the Stud
10/30/20 7:04:25 PM
#74:


Corrik7 posted...
Thought they were all 99% besides Silver.

Or close to it. Silver got a ton of heat from Twitter for giving trump a 1/3 chance back then.

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red sox 777
10/30/20 7:08:31 PM
#75:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
Near Shenandoah National Park and the WV border. We spent the holidays in a cabin there. Super rural area, but it was still a wake-up call since I've never seen it before (city boy from the west coast). I counted at least a dozen - every second or third home I drove by seemed to proudly fly it.

They are very common in rural parts of the West Coast. I don't remember seeing them growing up in New England, which is understandable given the results of the 1860 election.

What's fascinating to me though is that apparently the parts of the South that are the most pro-confederate now were often the most unionist ones in 1861. WV and much of the western parts of what remains in VA voted to stay in the US in the 1861 secession referendum. See the map below:

https://secession.richmond.edu/visualizations/vote-maps.html

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xp1337
10/30/20 7:10:13 PM
#76:


2016 forecasts went something like this:

(Number is % for Clinton)

Princeton Election Consortium (Sam Wang) - 99%
Huffington Post - 98%
NYT's Upshot (Nate Cohn) - 85% (Betting markets were generally in this area as well)
538 (Nate Silver) - 71%

The Economist did not have a statistical forecast in 2016 AFAIK, this is their first cycle doing so. Reading up on it it uses a Bayesian model (and as LotM notes and Silver also kinda notes in that thread has been a bit more aggressive in handling outfits like Trafalgar. Silver has always been reluctant to label polls partisan and only did so when their sponsor was a partisan, not by polling outfit. His beef with Trafalgar has been they're super obviously partisan and he has commented such over the past few days, culminating in that thread an hour ago where he finds out they've been releasing partisan sponsored polls without disclosing that fact. Previously he was unwilling to touch the matter of Trafalgar and mess with his model in the middle of a cycle but with this latest revelation looks like he went back and marked them all as partisan polls because we can no longer trust what polls they're releasing are and aren't.)

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UshiromiyaEva
10/30/20 7:33:44 PM
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Grimlyn
10/30/20 7:48:40 PM
#78:


2020

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xp1337
10/30/20 8:14:29 PM
#79:


Grimlyn posted...
https://twitter.com/CNNPR/status/1322206119486464004

has CNN Comms always had this much bite

(ps thank god it wasn't Diane)
lmao cnn chyron guy must have got the twitter password too

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 8:35:17 PM
#80:


https://twitter.com/markniesse/status/1322307184319975424

I was actually just reading an article about this problem generally. Iirc in Georgia you had to request a medical emergency absentee ballot at least 5 days ahead of time, and when they asked the GA election official quoted in the story what a covid positive person what they could do to vote if they got a positive test within five days of election day he literally said "go vote in person"

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 8:57:18 PM
#81:


Over 100,000 new covid cases today.

Sure feels like we've "turned a corner"...!

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Maniac64
10/30/20 8:57:33 PM
#82:


Guarantee Kemp brakes quarrentine in that case.

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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 9:26:07 PM
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LordoftheMorons
10/30/20 10:06:22 PM
#84:


Biden just hit 90 on 538

I think it was because of an A+ NC poll (Marist) that had Biden +6; NC is now slightly more likely to go to Biden than FL in their model.

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Peace___Frog
10/30/20 10:24:41 PM
#85:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
https://twitter.com/JoeBrunoWSOC9/status/1322182676682625024?s=19
this is the straw that breaks 2020's back

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UshiromiyaEva
10/31/20 12:00:33 AM
#86:


Rittenhouse is being extredited to face homicide charges.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1322297509910319105?s=19

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GuessMyUserName
10/31/20 3:58:53 AM
#87:


https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1322305851626082304

Buzzfeed Studios to make gaming comedy film '1-Up' staring Ellen Page, using GamerGate as the story's backdrop....... "described as being in the vein of Pitch Perfect but set in the world of eSports"

...

>_>

also Ellen Page's character is named Vivian lmao

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LinkMarioSamus
10/31/20 7:46:21 AM
#88:


Grimlyn posted...
I even threw in a hint about Diane! she's the inferior Cheers love interest Rebecca

uhhhh if you didn't watch Cheers well she was also a Jenny Craig spokeswoman for a while who I think I often mixed up with Brooke Shields from Suddenly Susan

Alternately, Saavik from Wrath of Khan.

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LordoftheMorons
10/31/20 8:49:03 AM
#89:


A paper estimates that Trump rallies between June 20 and Sept 22 most likely led to at least 30000 covid cases and 700 deaths (so far):

https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/1322516370257567744

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LordoftheMorons
10/31/20 9:05:01 AM
#90:


Some other stuff:

I think this is like the fourth laptop we're supposed to believe Hunter lost
https://twitter.com/danielchaitin7/status/1322313180832550913

Taylor Swift ad
https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1322184161571020803

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Mr Lasastryke
10/31/20 9:13:09 AM
#91:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Taylor Swift ad
https://twitter.com/TheRealHoarse/status/1322184161571020803

pretty big deal given how famously apolitical taylor swift is. the only time she made a political statement before this was when she made the pro-LGBT music video for "you need to calm down".

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Corrik7
10/31/20 9:15:34 AM
#92:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
pretty big deal given how famously apolitical taylor swift is. the only time she made a political statement before this was when she made the pro-LGBT music video for "you need to calm down".
She literally endorsed blackburn's opponent in 2018.

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Mr Lasastryke
10/31/20 9:19:35 AM
#93:


Corrik7 posted...
She literally endorsed blackburn's opponent in 2018.

i didn't know about that but yeah, that's true.

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Corrik7
10/31/20 9:24:08 AM
#94:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/31/politics/us-forces-operation-american-citizen-africa/index.html

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colliding
10/31/20 10:09:50 AM
#95:


does Taylor Swift even connect with "young people" anymore? not trying to throw shade here, just saying I don't know if she's going to have much of an impact on increasing young people turnout.

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RaidenGarai
10/31/20 10:17:51 AM
#96:


https://twitter.com/ericcervini/status/1322336226792321025?s=20

This is normal

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Corrik7
10/31/20 10:18:35 AM
#97:


colliding posted...
does Taylor Swift even connect with "young people" anymore? not trying to throw shade here, just saying I don't know if she's going to have much of an impact on increasing young people turnout.
She didn't affect the Tenn Senator race too much.

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LordoftheMorons
10/31/20 10:21:12 AM
#98:


https://twitter.com/David_Boaz/status/1322540671513841664

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Corrik7
10/31/20 10:33:58 AM
#99:


https://mobile.twitter.com/theblaze/status/1322335107504463872

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Corrik7
10/31/20 10:35:09 AM
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Trump is also expected to campaign in election day itself also in addition to this.

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