Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 333: Biden out The Storm [2020 Edition]

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269 to 269 is just civil war, tbh.

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You know what would be the most awesome thing?

The election results are 270-268 for Biden. Republican electors start a campaign to elect Bernie, and announce they will vote en masse for Bernie. Two Democratic electors are socialists and join the movement. But, one Republican elector is a hardcore conservative and secretly sticks with Trump. The final EC votes are:

Bernie Sanders 269
Joe Biden 268
Donald Trump 1

No person having attained a majority, the election goes to the House, where the state delegations vote on party lines to reelect Trump.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

As the guy who called Trump before almost anyone else, I can promise you he has no possible chance of winning outside SCOTUS bailing him out.

I live in NJ. I know my area of the country very well. There is a 0% chance Trump wins Pennsylvania, and without that state he has no path. Its over.

I hope you're right!! Corrik has said as much too.

Really though, despite all the good polling all Trump really needs is for there to have been some sort of mistake in polling Pennsylvania and he has a realistic shot at this. Pennsylvania is absurdly important this election and I have just had this nagging bad feeling about it. I'm not worried about Michigan or even Wisconsin at this point, but Pennsylvania scares me.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1322684046728663040?s=19

Honestly I don't even know who I blame if Biden loses at this point. Not Biden. I know he hasn't been campaigning as heavily as Trump but I support his decision not to. He isn't running nearly as bad as a campaign as Hillary did in 2016 and as much as I didn't like him in the primaries I really don't think anything was fishy about the nomination process and that's who democrats nominated.

If he loses, that says a lot more about America than it says about Biden.

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And just as I type that there is an A+ WashPo/ABC News poll released that shows Biden down two in Florida but up seven in Pennsylvania by seven.

Save us Pennsylvania.

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red sox 777 posted...

You know what would be the most awesome thing?

The election results are 270-268 for Biden. Republican electors start a campaign to elect Bernie, and announce they will vote en masse for Bernie. Two Democratic electors are socialists and join the movement. But, one Republican elector is a hardcore conservative and secretly sticks with Trump. The final EC votes are:

Bernie Sanders 269
Joe Biden 268
Donald Trump 1

No person having attained a majority, the election goes to the House, where the state delegations vote on party lines to reelect Trump.

How can you just sit here wasting your time on GameFAQs dot com when you have such a natural talent for writing political fanfiction?

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Suprak the Stud posted...

And just as I type that there is an A+ WashPo/ABC News poll released that shows Biden down two in Florida but up seven in Pennsylvania by seven.

Save us Pennsylvania.

Don't count on Florida for anything.

Their reputation is deserved.

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red sox 777 posted...

No person having attained a majority, the election goes to the House, where the state delegations vote on party lines to reelect Trump.

And then Civil War erupts and America splits into 6 different nations.

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I am interested in knowing if we go full civil war or just peaceful secession with intermittent violence.

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red13n posted...

I am interested in knowing if we go full civil war or just peaceful secession with intermittent violence.

Cynical take but I dont think "peaceful secession" is possible since the USA has a vested interest in maintaining the whole. That's what happened in the Civil War!

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Cynical take but I dont think "peaceful secession" is possible since the USA has a vested interest in maintaining the whole. That's what happened in the Civil War!

100% agree. Lets do a wildly impossible hypothetical and say California decided to secede after Trump wins re-election.

Do Republicans allow it? They talk a big game, but even if we ignore all the money an Independent Cali would take from the US, it opens the door to literally any other state deciding they dont want to play anymore.

It cant happen.

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Considering how badly the economy of liberal states prop up the economy of conservative states, the GOP literally cannot afford a secession

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KamikazePotato posted...

Considering how badly the economy of liberal states prop up the economy of conservative states, the GOP literally cannot afford a secession

They can't actually win a war either though.

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I could see a state being allowed to negotiate a peaceful secession, but the federal government would only agree to terms that would massively hurt the state in question. The US would have to make an example of them to dissuade other states from leaving. For what its worth, this holds even if Biden wins and a red state were to try seceding; it's funny to imagine Wyoming leaving and becoming its own country, but it's much less funny to imagine other states deciding to join them (or being forced) until the US is just the Pacific Coast and Northeast.
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Why are we entertaining Red Sox's celebration of our country coming apart?

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Final NYT polls:

https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1322841604638474240

I wish PA was higher, but they're all above average so I'll take them!

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My favourite electoral college tie fact is the real possibility of president Trump and vice president Harris.

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Is there any burning reason Trump's supporters stick by him other than fear of a leftist America becoming a social justice dystopia?

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Is there any burning reason Trump's supporters stick by him other than fear of a leftist America becoming a social justice dystopia?

Owning the libs

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Trump solved the immigration problem with his wall and had the best economy ever before covid after Obama ruined it. Why wouldn't you want that?

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Owning the libs

That kind of goes hand in hand with what I suggested.

Oh yeah good point. America is a hyper-capitalist nation. My bad.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

If he loses, that says a lot more about America than it says about Biden.

this was also my takeaway when trump won in the first place tbqh.

yeah trump lost the popular vote, i know, but still. the fact that sooo many americans went "it's acceptable for this man to be president" reflects extremely poorly on the US.

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I can at least excuse that as people just being REALLY sick of Hillary Clinton. Although it still says something about the country when Hillary Clinton's controversies could be blown up just by overexposure.

EDIT: I also choose to believe that many of these people either didn't know or didn't care about Trump's controversies. Doesn't help that most of said "controversies" were more in regards to his character than his actions, whereas most of his controversies now kind of do relate to his actions.

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While I am generally a believer in Clinton losing the election more than Trump won (exemplified by Trump getting a lower percentage of the vote than Romney) that only tracks if he doesnt win this time. If Biden gets 50%+ and still loses then its only down to the American system.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bW99vkpkUY

the fact that trump thinks it's a good stratergy to attack biden for being "a hateful man" is something.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

yeah trump lost the popular vote, i know, but still. the fact that sooo many americans went "it's acceptable for this man to be president" reflects extremely poorly on the US.

I think that our election came down to Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump in the first place reflects very poorly on the United States. Then again, we are making progress. 2016 Hillary was better than 2000 Gore. We've been slowly making progress. A bit too slow, mind you. But progress is still progress. Maybe one day 'socialism' won't be such a dirty word.

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Dancedreamer posted...

I think that our election came down to Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump in the first place reflects very poorly on the United States. Then again, we are making progress. 2016 Hillary was better than 2000 Gore. We've been slowly making progress. A bit too slow, mind you. But progress is still progress. Maybe one day 'socialism' won't be such a dirty word.

Bro we have to get past fucking "Liberal" being one of the dirtiest words imaginable according to ads I'm seeing on TV here.

Reg posted...

Bro we have to get past fucking "Liberal" being one of the dirtiest words imaginable according to ads I'm seeing on TV here.

I do like to tell Americans that in my province the Liberal Party is the right-wing option.

Though to be fair, the party is essentially a coalition between conservatives and liberals in an attempt to prevent the "socialist" NDP from taking over.

Not that it did any good in the last two elections.

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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1322925071674073091?s=21

I thought stories by anonymous sources were all made up
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https://twitter.com/liljon/status/1321971034866753537?s=21

Count another rapper for Biden
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Remember if you're in a non-battleground state, vote for Jo (or Howie if you really hate the L-word so much) so they can get 5% of the popular vote and thus millions in funding in the next election.

If you refuse to vote 3rd party even when you know your vote for Biden is wasted, the only conclusion is that you specifically want more of the 2-party duopoly, more Trump/Hillary style elections, and thus more Trump winners. You do you, but Trump's blood is definitely on your hands in that case.

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OK Foolmo

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foolm0r0n posted...

If you refuse to vote 3rd party even when you know your vote for Biden is wasted, the only conclusion is that you specifically want more of the 2-party duopoly, more Trump/Hillary style elections, and thus more Trump winners. You do you, but Trump's blood is definitely on your hands in that case.

Ross Perrot got 18% of the popular vote in 1992. That definitely fixed things.


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The 2 major 3rd party candidates in 2016 sure were great weren't they

Oh wait


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foolm0r0n posted...

Remember if you're in a non-battleground state, vote for Jo (or Howie if you really hate the L-word so much) so they can get 5% of the popular vote and thus millions in funding in the next election.

If you refuse to vote 3rd party even when you know your vote for Biden is wasted, the only conclusion is that you specifically want more of the 2-party duopoly, more Trump/Hillary style elections, and thus more Trump winners. You do you, but Trump's blood is definitely on your hands in that case.

Define battleground
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foolm0r0n posted...

Remember if you're in a non-battleground state, vote for Jo (or Howie if you really hate the L-word so much) so they can get 5% of the popular vote and thus millions in funding in the next election.

If you refuse to vote 3rd party even when you know your vote for Biden is wasted, the only conclusion is that you specifically want more of the 2-party duopoly, more Trump/Hillary style elections, and thus more Trump winners. You do you, but Trump's blood is definitely on your hands in that case.

I am thoroughly unsurprised that somebody who advocates for a genuine fantasy world ideology would also advocate for another one by pretending that the two-party system in the US can simply be broken by voting for a different option instead of needing some form of systemic change that can't be brought about in this way.

Do not vote third party even in a safe state. If fascism is to be defeated in the US Biden needs as big a victory as possible, perhaps record setting, so that the Republican party cant win again without changing. Otherwise there will just be someone else later. You cant worry about not voting for the Democrats when not doing so in any way means risking democracy.

Besides, the way to actually make third party candidates viable is to first get rid of the electoral college.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

The 2 major 3rd party candidates in 2016 sure were great weren't they

Oh wait

You really do prefer Trump, which is really all that needs to be said

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"OK Foolmo"

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Reg posted...

I am thoroughly unsurprised that somebody who advocates for a genuine fantasy world ideology would also advocate for another one by pretending that the two-party system in the US can simply be broken by voting for a different option instead of needing some form of systemic change that can't be brought about in this way.

I am far from a fan of voting as a tool for change, but it's an incredibly easy and free thing we can do RIGHT NOW. If we can't even do this, then we can never do the systemic change you're talking about.

Dancedreamer posted...

Ross Perrot got 18% of the popular vote in 1992. That definitely fixed things.

It helped. We can make it help again.

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as someone in an actual multiparty system I can only laugh at Americans thinking third parties are their savior

Quite simply, the strongest message that can be sent right now is for Trumpism to be stomped out as overwhelmingly as possible.

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maybe if third parties focused more on winnable local seats so they could have a genuine effect and not waste everyone's time going for President just for scraps of publicity, they wouldn't be complete jokes

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Lightning Strikes posted...

If fascism is to be defeated in the US Biden needs as big a victory as possible, perhaps record setting, so that the Republican party cant win again without changing.

So if CA votes 90% for Biden instead of just 75%, fascism is defeated? That's absolute nonsense. Where is this idea coming from?

All that matters is electoral votes. Trumpers don't care at all what CA does, because it's a D state. They win in battleground states. Until there's a national popular vote, your vote in CA does not matter.

And no, popular vote does not help 3rd parties as long as there's winner-take-all. A parliamentary system or ranked voting would. I'm in favor of those (especially RCV which does not require any amendments). But until then, it's so easy to just vote 3rd party in these cases.

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Even if I bought into foolmos argument, the fact that third party candidates think its a good idea to run serious campaigns after what happened in 2016 makes me question whether any such candidate has the necessary intellect to deserve my vote in the first place.

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Why the fuck would I want third parties that have done nothing but get us a Bush and Trump presidency to receive funding?

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

maybe if third parties focused more on winnable local seats so they could have a genuine effect and not waste everyone's time going for President just for scraps of publicity, they wouldn't be complete jokes

They do that but you don't give a shit because you only care about federal elections.

GuessMyUserName posted...

Quite simply, the strongest message that can be sent right now is for Trumpism to be stomped out as overwhelmingly as possible.

But also we have to avoid supporting the #1 way for Trumpism to be stomped out? Why?

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vote third parties this year and go back to voting against them when it matters more is hardly a strong argument

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If 3rd parties got twice as many votes in 2016, Trump would not be president right now.

If 5% of Clinton campaign effort went to promoting the L party, Trump would not be president right now.

Do y'all really hate 3rd parties more than a Trump presidency?

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foolm0r0n posted...

All that matters is electoral votes.

Pretty sure just about everyone here's go to take is to eliminate the electoral college, a far better way to solve this potential issue than yours.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

vote third parties this year and go back to voting against them when it matters more is hardly a strong argument

Why? That's how Biden is gonna win this election. That's how Trump won his election.

My point is that even if you hate 3rd parties, it's strategic to vote for them. Obviously I think there's philosophical merit to the party, but that's not how you convince people to vote.

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