Poll of the Day > Who is the worst president of all time?

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Donald Trump

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Woodrow Wilson

The one you really like, and think was the best one. Because you're wrong about everything.
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Of those probably Reagan since he pretty much reinvented systemic racism

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Realistically speaking the guy that came after Lincoln really fucked up reconstruction which is a good part of why we have a president like Trump today.

Lokarin posted...

Of those probably Reagan since he pretty much reinvented systemic racism

You ought to read up on Nixon's 'Southern Strategy'. Essentially he turned a huge portion of southern democrats red by taking advantage of deep rooted race divisions.

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out of the options listed, it's Trump or Reagan.
The absolute worst president of all time is Andrew Jackson, though.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Realistically speaking the guy that came after Lincoln really fucked up reconstruction which is a good part of why we have a president like Trump today.

He's also up there (or... "down there"?) as one of the absolute worst ever.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Woodrow Wilson

This is #1 which is also shared with Obama

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If you're adjusting for era (i.e. asking if they were good "for their time"), it's Trump by a mile. If not, there are a couple others that give him a run for his money.

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Decoy77 posted...

This is #1 which is also shared with Obama

lol wtf

I'll agree Andrew Jackson is the worst.

Of this list I went with Nixon, who really laid a lot of foundational work for what the GOP is currently.

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Taft was pretty bad, I understand, and mainly contributed a large bathtub in the white house so as to accommodate his girth. The one before Polk had apparently been a lame duck before Polk was elected on a platform of three goals, and then went and did the first of those three things (annex Texas) just to have done something AND steal Polk's thunder. Noteworthy presidents were great to some people and pariahs to everyone else, so it really depends on which end of the stick you were on during their terms. Sometimes people have been on the short-end without realizing it, because they at least had everyone worse off, those not even on the stick, to look down upon, much to the presidents' delight or convenience.

So yeah, measuring the worst is a herculean feat unless you believe Trump has actually said and done some terrible things (many of which I do but won't get into here). Without even listing him, I would go with Nixon for setting the yellow snowball on its path before he had even taken office - the one we're all dealing with to this day. Mass division with blame games more than solutions; televised, popular images placed on a higher pedestal than function; criminal activities and cover-ups to such a degree any sane person can agree is happening while we all get to see it in real-time. Nixon had a hand in all of this through the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and now here we are, dealing with all of this we're seeing today because that yellow snowball grew to massive, reckless proportions, and it's still going.

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Entity13 posted...

So yeah, measuring the worst is a herculean feat unless you believe Trump has actually said and done some terrible things (many of which I do but won't get into here). Without even listing him, I would go with Nixon for setting the yellow snowball on its path before he had even taken office - the one we're all dealing with to this day. Mass division with blame games more than solutions; televised, popular images placed on a higher pedestal than function; criminal activities and cover-ups to such a degree any sane person can agree is happening while we all get to see it in real-time. Nixon had a hand in all of this through the 50s, 60s, and 70s, and now here we are, dealing with all of this we're seeing today because that yellow snowball grew to massive, reckless proportions, and it's still going.

I kind of feel like all that would have happened almost no matter what any previous president did. It's not like theres currently one evil ruler and everyone else is good. The whole thing is rotten and I'm not convinced it would be significantly less so if you cycled out the current people. An awful president like trump is a consequence of a lot more than just the law.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I kind of feel like all that would have happened almost no matter what any previous president did. It's not like theres currently one evil ruler and everyone else is good. The whole thing is rotten and I'm not convinced it would be significantly less so if you cycled out the current people. An awful president like trump is a consequence of a lot more than just the law.

Well, I'm not saying the current people are all the fault in the world. I'm saying predecessors set things in motion that culminated in the issues we have today. That the system may have had issues before those things were in motion, but now it's a mound of toxic fruit, some long-since-expired, on top of everything else that could and should have been fixed by now. The current people, I'm saying, are a product, one product of several, countless others within the foul and poisonous mound that's taking more from us than we are able to give just to plug our noses and pray it goes away (for all the good prayer is doing this thing).

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Trump beats the last 3 simply by not involving us in multiple new overseas conflicts murdering brown people for the oil and big pharma industries. Oh, and he also ended the TPP. That is my number 1 factor right there. That said, his coronavirus response has been a disaster, but I probably have different reasoning for why I believe so than most here. Absolute worst... it's a 4 way tie between Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Reagan helped create the massive police state we see today. Clinton began the process of selling the U.S. to other countries. Bush presided over the lies that dragged us into what would become a decades long war in the ME that has been catastrophic. Obama decided to continue and expand upon bush's legacy in terrible ways I never imagined and was responsible for further selling us out with TPP.

What a lame list. WOODROW WILSON. Look it up. He broke America, Earth, and Trump is a symptom of his actions. No Wilson, no Trump.

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Entity13 posted...

Well, I'm not saying the current people are all the fault in the world. I'm saying predecessors set things in motion that culminated in the issues we have today. That the system may have had issues before those things were in motion, but now it's a mound of toxic fruit, some long-since-expired, on top of everything else that could and should have been fixed by now. The current people, I'm saying, are a product, one product of several, countless others within the foul and poisonous mound that's taking more from us than we are able to give just to plug our noses and pray it goes away (for all the good prayer is doing this thing).

And I'm saying even if every president before like 20 years ago had been great and only done good things, I think it still would have ended up roughly the same way. I think given technology, the people in charge are using the optimal strategy and because it's optimal for them, someone would have arrived at that same strategy no matter what systems were in place.

The ability to obfuscate every process that matters and bombard idiots with too much information to make good decisions is a fundamental weakness that is being exploited in just about every country's government

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Ugh, I don't know. Wilson and Jackson were both atrocious. Buchanan is widely sneered at, too.

OhhhJa posted...
Trump singlehandedly ensured that the USA continues to fund genocide in Yemen. Please do not pretend that he's any better on bloodshed in the Middle-East than the rest of the establishment to which he belongs.

One of the things that stands out about modern presidents is that they tend to compound problems that previous presidents started, with our non-stop bungling in the Middle East being the most obvious example.

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OhhhJa posted...

Trump beats the last 3 simply by not involving us in multiple new overseas conflicts murdering brown people for the oil and big pharma industries. Oh, and he also ended the TPP. That is my number 1 factor right there. That said, his coronavirus response has been a disaster, but I probably have different reasoning for why I believe so than most here. Absolute worst... it's a 4 way tie between Reagan, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Reagan helped create the massive police state we see today. Clinton began the process of selling the U.S. to other countries. Bush presided over the lies that dragged us into what would become a decades long war in the ME that has been catastrophic. Obama decided to continue and expand upon bush's legacy in terrible ways I never imagined and was responsible for further selling us out with TPP.

Is Trumps C-Virus response worse than Trudeaus when Trudeau said he was going to breach C-Virus protocol by bringing more people here from higher-infected countries and extend their stays?

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so whats gonna happen to the wall of trump loses? do mexicans still pay for it?

YoukaiSlayer posted...

And I'm saying even if every president before like 20 years ago had been great and only done good things, I think it still would have ended up roughly the same way. I think given technology, the people in charge are using the optimal strategy and because it's optimal for them, someone would have arrived at that same strategy no matter what systems were in place.

The ability to obfuscate every process that matters and bombard idiots with too much information to make good decisions is a fundamental weakness that is being exploited in just about every country's government

Define "good things," though. Do you plainly mean just benevolent for its own sake, or is there more to it such as taking steps to improve the system so it doesn't become an unwieldy mess? Good leaders try to consider such things. In the past 40 years, there hasn't been enough of that. Whatever efforts one man might have made toward a better system was undone by the next if he was of the opposing party, and neither side could truly overlook the party divide long enough to agree upon an adequate number of systemic changes. Then what little had been put into place by Republicans and Democrats alike was undone by Trump, who himself is an amalgamation of all the wrong things leading up to the present, whether because he didn't like it outright or because it simply didn't have his name on it.

Things that are wrong today most certainly date back to anywhere from the 1960 election to Nixon's resignation from presidency. These things could and should have been addressed, and some barely were without any meaningful solution. We should have never let up on tax brackets for the obscenely rich. We should have done better against racism at all levels. We should have made sure elections were more about policy than good looks or positive familiarity, and make elections about the country as a whole rather than which party is more popular than the other that season. We should have strengthened the division between church and state so the former would not dictate policy on any state or federal level. Roe vs Wade should have been ruled with better language in terms of health, rather than leaving it to another case that defined health with such broad strokes that of course RvW ends up taking the heat as a point of contention between supporters and deniers.

"Good" isn't what I'm saying we should have aimed for here. I'm saying thoughtful, resounding action with this country as a whole is what was key, but we tossed that key in a radioactive furnace and reused what was left to make something dangerous. 2020 was when things blew up, because we as a country let it get to this point.

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Obama

Dumpster Trash (what I call Trump)

In my life, there has never been a president I couldn't accept. I was able to accept the previous presidents, even when I didn't vote for them. Today, I still refuse to acknowledge Trash as president.

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Entity13 posted...

"Good" isn't what I'm saying we should have aimed for here. I'm saying thoughtful, resounding action with this country as a whole is what was key, but we tossed that key in a radioactive furnace and reused what was left to make something dangerous. 2020 was when things blew up, because we as a country let it get to this point.

I'm saying even if that happened, those systems would have been dismantled and corrupted in like 10 years tops. You can't future proof anything because everything can be repealed or overwritten if they even need to. A lot of the times they just get around it.

A few of our specific problems could have been solved like systemic racism in an ideal scenario but I believe the people at the top having all the control and using it selfishly and short sightedly would remain the same no matter what as we can see by looking at literally every countries government. If it wasn't nixon or reagan it would have just been someone else because they are a symptom, not the cause.

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Bible posted...

Obama

Why?

Donald Trump is worse than Andrew Johnson, the President responsible for reconstruction.

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DMX99 posted...

so whats gonna happen to the wall of trump loses? do mexicans still pay for it?

There is no wall and there never will be. All he's done is replace existing fencing plus add like five miles of new fencing. His big beautiful wall was always a pipe dream.

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William Henry Harrison. Wasn't he the president who got sick from getting caught in the rain on Inauguration Day and died three months later? Really crappy presidency if you ask me.

OhhhJa posted...

Trump beats the last 3 simply by not involving us in multiple new overseas conflicts murdering brown people for the oil and big pharma industries.

Yemen.

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For a long time my worst presidents were Nixon (for Watergate and the phony War On Drugs) and Reagan (who helped to bust labor unions which ultimately snuffed out all that working-class hourly paid workers had gained from the end of WW2 until the 1980s).

Now Trump trumps both of these guys in my book and it's not even a contest.

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darkknight109 posted...

Yemen.

Still a far cry from what the previous administrations have done in the ME. It's not even close

zebatov posted...

Is Trumps C-Virus response worse than Trudeaus when Trudeau said he was going to breach C-Virus protocol by bringing more people here from higher-infected countries and extend their stays?

We should have never had any lockdowns. Thats my perspective and nobody will change my mind on that. And these half lockdown measures are just silly

OhhhJa posted...

We should have never had any lockdowns. Thats my perspective and nobody will change my mind on that. And these half lockdown measures are just silly

I dont disagree. Restaurants cant serve alcohol after 10 here and close at 11. Because everyone knows Covid only strikes then.

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GastroFan posted...

William Henry Harrison. Wasn't he the president who got sick from getting caught in the rain on Inauguration Day and died three months later? Really crappy presidency if you ask me.

It was actually only one month before he died. I'm not sure if he even did anything in office.

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zebatov posted...

I dont disagree. Restaurants cant serve alcohol after 10 here and close at 11. Because everyone knows Covid only strikes then.

Dont be silly everyone knows that eating or drinking protects from Big C thats why you see girls with chin diapers walking around walmart drinking their pumpkin spice barrista ejaculate sorry I meant latte from starbucks wherever they go.

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On the list, Trump. Ever? Probably Buchanan.

GastroFan posted...

William Henry Harrison. Wasn't he the president who got sick from getting caught in the rain on Inauguration Day and died three months later? Really crappy presidency if you ask me.

That's kind of the urban legend. More likely though, water contaminated with waste got him sick.

ScritchOwl posted...

Dont be silly everyone knows that eating or drinking protects from Big C thats why you see girls with chin diapers walking around walmart drinking their pumpkin spice barrista ejaculate sorry I meant latte from starbucks wherever they go.

My government likes to feel important, when theyre really just sad sacks.

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DeathMagnetic80 posted...

That's kind of the urban legend. More likely though, water contaminated with waste got him sick.

Unless you believe in curses, of course. Then it was angering Tecumseh and kicking off the deaths of several presidents whose terms were on years divisible by 20 . . . until Reagan and Bush Jr. Yeah, it was probably some bad water.

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Skroob

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I don't think you can definitively judge a standing president as often things won't come out that he/she has done until later, people will attack them with things that are not true because of current politics etc. I'm not a fan of Trump, but I won't judge him as the worst until I can look back at his presidency objectively.

Outside of not liking him as a person, I have not been a fan of some of his changes (especially the whole leaving the Paris Climate Agreement (which...again...after some time looking back may qualify him in my mind) and I think many of them will cause him to at least end up being my least favorite president in my lifetime, but we will see.

For now it's Regan though, because of the tax loopholes/exemptions etc that he created (again this is just presidents in my lifetime, not over all). It's hard for me to judge presidents that were before I was born, as the world was different then.

You would probably think I'm a Democrat because of my choice (and dislike for Trump) but if your new to these boards I am NOT a Democrat, I support ideas from both sides and just want everyone to work together to make a better country. I dislike Regan because he made the divide between the rich and poor greater, and no president since him has basically fixed it yet (which is on them, even Demo presidents).


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CaptainStrong posted...

Why?

Ruined private insurance
Poured gasoline on race relations and then threw a fireball at it
Locked up whistle blowers after claiming he was pro whistle blower (and then silently removed it from his website)

Bible posted...

Ruined private insurance

You are so funny. It was ruined before he got there sweetie. If you call allowing sick people to actually be able to get healthcare ruining private insurance then you're just messed up. Also would like to add that his plan was actually going to reduce healthcare costs until the republican party continually undermined the mandate which was the core of the bills cost reducing power. When that happened insurance companies were forced to make up the losses with massive hikes in their monthly charges. Then republicans turned around and yelled "look how much worse insurance is now!" when they're the ones who engineered it to be worse in the first place.

Bible posted...

Poured gasoline on race relations and then threw a fireball at it

*roll eyes* Once again race relations were shit long before he got there. The fact that there was an entire conservative push to block everything he did was more of a spit on the face of him being black than anything. You can thank Nixon most recently and a few others before for him for that. If anything we thought we had moved past racism because we elected him and it ended up fermenting until we got our current fuck of a president.

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Lokarin posted...

Of those probably Reagan since he pretty much reinvented systemic racism

Lokarin posted...

Of those probably Reagan since he pretty much reinvented systemic racism

Reagan also helped drive the nails in the coffin of working class people too and he helped to weaken labor unions that has rendered them useless today when he went against striking air traffic controllers union PATCO. Reagan flat out refused to negotiate then he hired scab workers to replace the striking controllers and the workforce in America hasn't quite been the same since.

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chaosbowser posted...

You are so funny. It was ruined before he got there sweetie. If you call allowing sick people to actually be able to get healthcare ruining private insurance then you're just messed up. Also would like to add that his plan was actually going to reduce healthcare costs until the republican party continually undermined the mandate which was the core of the bills cost reducing power. When that happened insurance companies were forced to make up the losses with massive hikes in their monthly charges. Then republicans turned around and yelled "look how much worse insurance is now!" when they're the ones who engineered it to be worse in the first place.

*roll eyes* Once again race relations were shit long before he got there. The fact that there was an entire conservative push to block everything he did was more of a spit on the face of him being black than anything. You can thank Nixon most recently and a few others before for him for that. If anything we thought we had moved past racism because we elected him and it ended up fermenting until we got our current fuck of a president.

Youre delusional and completely skipped one of my points.

The ghost of Warren G. Harding thanks Donald J.Trump for being an even worse and more corrupt POTUS.

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When TDS is on, George W. Bush is not picked as the worst president of all time xD

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Michael Wilson is the worst president in US history

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