Poll of the Day > Straight males and females, would you choose to be homosexual if it was possible

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I wasn't looking for a reason to be offended, and I really didn't mean make you defensive about this. I guess I had the wrong impression as to what kind of person you were. I guess you only care about what I have to say when it comes with a pic of my ass.

*ninja vanishes from topic disappointed*

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wwinterj25 posted...

Just his other issues for the most part. Given the context and posts I've made here you're looking for reasons to be offended and it's wasted on me. Post some hot traps or something.

I'm not looking for reasons to be offended, nor am I offended. Just making a case for conscientiousness. The point of bringing up Sunny was just to highlight some hypocrisy.

JigsawTDC posted...

I feel like the whole archetype of the anime "trap" is already kinda pushing negative perception of trans people from the get go though,

But anime traps and reverse traps literally aren't trans. If it's a slur towards anything it'd be crossdressers. It's also generally a pretty positive thing in the anime community. Theres tons of trap lovers, it's an extremely popular archetype. I think it's genuinely improving the public perception of crossdressers and feminine traits in males and it's high prevalence is effectively normalizing non traditional gender roles.

IronBornCorps posted...

I'm all for taking back language and labels, but quite frankly since neither you nor Winter are "traps" to my knowledge, it's not your place to reclaim it.

I don't agree with the idea that you have to be in a group to try and alter a words a perception or that you need a right to do so. The word is still clearly in an ambiguous state so the more people using it the "good" way, the better.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

But anime traps and reverse traps literally aren't trans. If it's a slur towards anything it'd be crossdressers. It's also generally a pretty positive thing in the anime community. Theres tons of trap lovers, it's an extremely popular archetype. I think it's genuinely improving the public perception of crossdressers and feminine traits in males and it's high prevalence is effectively normalizing non traditional gender roles.

That's all pretty interesting. I'm not super familiar with anime communities myself, so I'll need to look more into this.

IronBornCorps posted...

I wasn't looking for a reason to be offended, and I really didn't mean make you defensive about this.

JigsawTDC posted...

I'm not looking for reasons to be offended, nor am I offended.

It's good we are on the same page.

IronBornCorps posted...

I guess I had the wrong impression as to what kind of person you were.

Eh. Perhaps I've never bothered asking your impressions on me.

I guess you only care about what I have to say when it comes with a pic of my ass.

Caring seems a stretch.

JigsawTDC posted...

The point of bringing up Sunny was just to highlight some hypocrisy.

I don't think I'm been hypocritical at all as nothing I've said is homophobic but I guess you've enlightened me on the fact most folk are hypocrites in some shape or form.

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So after reviewing your post for a total of five minutes I have arranged some questions that most immediately jumped out at me. I wrote them down so I wouldn't forget. So here we go, after consulting my notes...

1) What the fuck is wrong with you?

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I mean it is a choice already anyways so...uh yeah what's the point?

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Decoy77 posted...

I mean it is a choice already anyways so...uh yeah what's the point?

It's a choice to act on the preference, not to have it in the first place.

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trap is not a slur you goddamn babies

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Attraction sure is weird. It's clearly a strange mix of innate and learned but I don't think I've seen any preference that can always be developed or never be developed.

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Noop_Noop posted...

trap is not a slur you goddamn babies

Spoken like a man talking about an issue that doesn't affect him.

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IronBornCorps posted...

Spoken like a man talking about an issue that doesn't affect him.

Why do you keep pointing out "man"? I'd have thought you would be happy with equality so gender or sex shouldn't matter. Also how do traps effect you? Do you know folk who trick others into thinking they are the opposite gender? Has someone tricked you?

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IronBornCorps posted...

Spoken like a man talking about an issue that doesn't affect him.

pretty sexist bro. what does me being a man have to do with it

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Attraction sure is weird. It's clearly a strange mix of innate and learned but I don't think I've seen any preference that can always be developed or never be developed.

That's most of psychology/behaviour. Pretty much everything about us is a product of some combination of our genes and our environment, with near-limitless possibilities.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

reverse trap

Ngl I call myself this one in my home sometimes. I wouldn't call someone else that though, just like I wouldn't just randomly call someone the q word (not sure how people here feel about that so I'm not sure about putting the word rn) but I sure call myself it.

I'm uncomfortable with the 3 letter f word, but some gay dudes apparently use it for themselves.(I've met one tbh.) Ngl it causes a bit of a panic freeze, but it's not my place to decide for another person imo.

Of course pretty sure that's already been touched on (self identification is different). But just throwing out my cat in the race I guess?

ChaosAzeroth posted...

just like I wouldn't just randomly call someone the q word (not sure how people here feel about that so I'm not sure about putting the word rn) but I sure call myself it.

Queer? That one's very much been retaken by the LGBTQ community (hence it's in the acronym) as a catch-all term for any unusual orientations/gender identities (though then the acronym has kept expanding past the "Other" option, which kinda defeats the purpose of having it >.>). As you say, though, it's more of a self-identifier than a way to describe others, since it expresses a personal sense of not really fitting into any of the usual boxes.

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Yep.

I just have encountered some people who really hate that word tbh, and decided to err on the side of caution after having people tell me I can't even call myself it because it's a slur. I'm not sure if anyone here (or the site itself tbh) would consider it a slur.

Definitely had a lot more issues with that one than the first, but tbh the first isn't one I use outside of my own house.

Really, it's one that has evolved incredibly fast. Even "gay" has gone through the same process, where it was treated as a bad thing to call somebody as recently as ten years ago but has since become happily embraced by the community. "Queer" was always generally worse than "gay," given the mildly pejorative connotation (prior to its use to describe gay people, it was a synonym for "weird"), but it's also very quickly evolved to have people happily describing themselves as being unusual (mostly because the progress toward gay acceptance has made "unusual" become a much more accepted descriptor). It's understandable, though, that people are wary of a term that was almost exclusively used to insult gay people within very recent memory, since the interpretation has changed quite dramatically in a very short period of time.

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Jen0125 posted...

Notice the men are posting from a purely sexual standpoint

Well duh, obviously. Last time I checked, this thread was about sexuality hence the word 'homosexual' in the title and not 'homoromantic'. But congrats on your ground-breaking observation!

YoukaiSlayer posted...

The best part of sex isn't the physical pleasure, it's the intimacy. Raw sensation wise, anyone else is going to be hard pressed to do significantly better than I can do to myself, but it's so much more satisfying when you mix it with intimacy.

But what if you didn't need sex, to derive those same feelings of intimacy with a person, as an asexual? That was my point!

adjl posted...

Not really. There's that one guy who explicitly said that the only thing a relationship with a woman could give him is sex, but he's generally just being really weird about relationships and doesn't even really want one anyway, so I think that can safely be taken with a grain of salt. I can't say I've noticed much by way of homophobia, aside from, again, TC having weird preconceptions about gender-based differences in sex drive, so again, grain of salt. Most of it's been taken over by Jen being openly misandrist and getting defensive when people called her out on it (which is really a very typical Jen thing to do), not by misogyny/homophobia.

To actually answer the topic question myself, it's hard to say because my current thoughts and feelings regarding sex and relationships are based on being straight. I don't have enough romantic/sexual interest in men to be able to say "I'd like to be gay," so I would be inclined to answer negatively, but that's based on my current orientation. If I were gay, though, it stands to reason that that attitude would change, meaning the answer would become yes. To that end, it's really a weird question that can't be answered. If the question were "If you woke up tomorrow and had magically turned gay, would you be okay with it?" then it'd be easy to answer "yes," aside from the fact that it would throw a rather large wrench into my current long-term heterosexual relationship such that I'd say "no" for purely practical reasons.

Without knowing anything about me personally? It's not hard to know why that is, because there's only one immediate explanation for that: angry, bitter prejudice. That's literally what the word "prejudice" means. The basis for that prejudice will vary from person to person, but pretty invariably it says more about them and their failure to handle their life experiences healthily than it does about me.

Saying 'females can't provide me anything outside of sex that my male friends couldn't' is anything but misogynstic, sexist or homophobic. This is just a statement from my own personal experience, and nobody so far has been able to provide me one thing a female can provide me outside of sex that my male friends can't.

And if anything, my comments indicate me being pro-homosexual instead of homophobic. You can't possibly infer from anything I commented that I am homophobic here.

LinkPizza posted...

Wouldnt it be hard to say all men are useless if you havent met all men? Or dont know all men?

Yes. I would. Sex if much better with another person. Not just because of the sex, either. I love the other person, so it makes it better. Sex with other guys isnt the same. And its not just because hes good at sex, but because its him... So, I wouldnt ever want to be asexual. It works for some people, but not me...

If you want the actual definition, youd have to look that up. But it can mean different things for different people. Some consider it just more than sex, some consider it a connection with someone, some consider it a relationship, etc...

Ive seen that in porn. Though, I dont know much about it. Though, Im hoping for the day they could fully change a human inside and out. Thatll be exciting...

Yeah. Its been a while, but I think I saw somewhere the numbers. It was higher than I thought it would be. People always make it seem like its super ultra rare. But its not as rare as they make it seem...

Maybe. Though, that might not be as true as youd hope. I mean, guys still have different feelings of what its like to be a guy... Not to mention, even in gay relationships, I dont think its really something people focus on...

But what if you didn't sex to feel that love, pleasure and all the other positive emotions about another person? What if love was enough, without sex? Whatever feelings you can derive from sex, imagine you were able to derive them without sex?

And all the pleasure from sex you can you can derive, what if you can derive them by yourself?

And for me, there is no difference between romance and sex. They are one and the same to me. Outside of sex, I have no idea what romance even means and nobody has ever been able to provide a specific or a measurable definition of 'romance'. So it basically means nothing to me, until it is specifically and measurably defined.

There may be differences in guys, but for the most part, two guys will understand each other WAY more than a guy and a female would, as there are way more similarities between two guys (similar genitals, hormones, testosterone levels, drive, emotions and etc.) than between a male and a female. There are many things only two males can understand about each other that no female can, unless she also became a male and vice versa. And this is no sexism or misogyny, but simple facts!

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

No, I would be a very poor lesbian. Guys are too nice to look at and I cant stand most women. High heels and makeup? Hell no! Keep pink stuff away from me!

Do you attain sexual pleasure and arousal by looking at males?

Most of the this topic is nonsense. Men and women do like 99% the same shit and the 1% different is sex. Yes men are more likely to have certain traits or do certain things and women are more likely to have certain other traits but those are only odds. Everything you might hate about men doesn't apply to all men and almost certainly also applies to some women and vice versa. Unless it's something dictated by the biological differences which is pretty much just sex/childbirth.

Ganstaz003 posted...

But what if you didn't need sex, to derive those same feelings of intimacy with a person, as an asexual? That was my point!

But you do. That's like saying what if you could taste good food without taste buds. You aren't going to be able to match the level of intimacy that sex provides without it. It's not like you NEED to experience that kind of thing but it's unique and something I would be pretty sad to give up.

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As a bi person I wish I could become purely straight. It's extremely uncomfortable getting close to members of the same sex and having to repress the urge to make out with them and/or start to flirt with them.

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This is quite the clusterfuck of a topic. I should have expected as much,but geez.

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Ganstaz003 posted...

and nobody so far has been able to provide me one thing a female can provide me outside of sex that my male friends can't.

Apparently, that would be the female perspective...

Ganstaz003 posted...

But what if you didn't sex to feel that love, pleasure and all the other positive emotions about another person? What if love was enough, without sex? Whatever feelings you can derive from sex, imagine you were able to derive them without sex?

Nope. Sex is definitely part of it for me...

Ganstaz003 posted...

And all the pleasure from sex you can you can derive, what if you can derive them by yourself?

I cant. Because that second person is what makes it what it is. I need that second person for it to be the best it can be...

Ganstaz003 posted...

And for me, there is no difference between romance and sex. They are one and the same to me. Outside of sex, I have no idea what romance even means and nobody has ever been able to provide a specific or a measurable definition of 'romance'. So it basically means nothing to me, until it is specifically and measurably defined.

It.s already specifically and measurably defined. But its different for everybody. Nobody can define it for you because its different from person to person...

Ganstaz003 posted...

There may be differences in guys, but for the most part, two guys will understand each other WAY more than a guy and a female would, as there are way more similarities between two guys (similar genitals, hormones, testosterone levels, drive, emotions and etc.) than between a male and a female. There are many things only two males can understand about each other that no female can, unless she also became a male and vice versa. And this is no sexism or misogyny, but simple facts!

I cant agree with that. There are some guys I understand very well, but some I dont. Just like how there are some women I know very well and understand. Like my best friend. We can easily communicate with each other without saying anything most of the time. Even though Im a guy and shes a lady(not to mention all the other differences like I'm black, short, and more of an extrovert where she's white, tall, and more of an introvert and many other differences). And there are many guys who I try to understand and cant even though were both guys. To be able to understand someone, it doesnt matter what a between you legs... Those are the facts... Out of those things you mentioned (similar genitals, hormones, testosterone levels, drive, emotions), the only one thats really right is the similar genitals. And even that can be very different. The only thing is that they are usually made up from the same parts... But everyone has emotions. And theyre different for everybody. Just like testosterone levels. They literally have pills for when people have an imbalance. So, those mean nothing since those are different for everybody...
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This topic, WOW!

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No but I have had a man-crush at one point.

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Ganstaz003 posted...

nobody so far has been able to provide me one thing a female can provide me outside of sex that my male friends can't.

What can your male friends provide you that a female friend couldn't?

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Heterosexual male, and no.

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I identify as straight and have often thought about pursuing relationships with other men.

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adjl posted...

What can your male friends provide you that a female friend couldn't?

According to him, he thinks all men are basically the same... According to what he told me. That they are able to understand each other much better. Though, I disagree. I think being there are many other factors that can help you to understand each other better than what's between your legs. Just being close with somebody can help you to understand them better, tbh...
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Low-quality bait. I have friends who have gone back-and-forth many times, by choice.

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zebatov posted...

I have friends who have gone back-and-forth many times, by choice.

That sounds like they're bi, rather than switching between heterosexual and homosexual...
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zebatov posted...

Low-quality bait. I have friends who have gone back-and-forth many times, by choice.

I mean sure I could 'choose' to fuck a bloke but if I did that many times then chances are I'd be bisexual. Sexuality isn't a choice.

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I'm asexual, but heteroromantic. I wouldn't change anything. (I didn't put a vote in the poll, because I figured it wasn't tailored to asexuals.)

I've always related better to the opposite sex, and felt disconnected from those of my own. Also found anything sexual to be rather overrated and underwhelming.

Philip027 posted...

heteroromantic.

I'm not progressive enough. What is this?

Edit: Ah so you date gals but feel nothing sexually. Thanks google.

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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm not progressive enough. What is this?

I believe thats when they have romantic feeling for the opposite sex, but it has no bearing on their sexual feelings. Like how in this case, they are asexual...
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LinkPizza posted...

I believe thats when they have romantic feeling for the opposite sex, but it has no bearing on their sexual feelings. Like how in this case, they are asexual...

Got it. I live and learn. Labels mean very little to me but that's a new label for me.

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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm not progressive enough. What is this?

Edit: Ah so you date gals but feel nothing sexually. Thanks google.

Yeah sorry, it's not common vernacular, but that's basically it.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Most of the this topic is nonsense. Men and women do like 99% the same shit and the 1% different is sex. Yes men are more likely to have certain traits or do certain things and women are more likely to have certain other traits but those are only odds. Everything you might hate about men doesn't apply to all men and almost certainly also applies to some women and vice versa. Unless it's something dictated by the biological differences which is pretty much just sex/childbirth.

But you do. That's like saying what if you could taste good food without taste buds. You aren't going to be able to match the level of intimacy that sex provides without it. It's not like you NEED to experience that kind of thing but it's unique and something I would be pretty sad to give up.

I'm pretty sure some asexual people would totally disagree with you, and tell you that they can feel just as intimate, if not more intimate with a person without sex as a sexual person can through sex.

Some people who even like sex, even asexuals, would tell you that they can feel more intimate with a person through a different means than through sex.

Ganstaz003 posted...

I'm pretty sure some asexual people would totally disagree with you, and tell you that they can feel just as intimate, if not more intimate with a person without sex as a sexual person can through sex.

Some people who even like sex, even asexuals, would tell you that they can feel more intimate with a person through a different means than through sex.

They can disagree with me if they want but the brain isn't just going to release the chemicals because we want it to.

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LinkPizza posted...

I cant agree with that. There are some guys I understand very well, but some I dont. Just like how there are some women I know very well and understand. Like my best friend. We can easily communicate with each other without saying anything most of the time. Even though Im a guy and shes a lady(not to mention all the other differences like I'm black, short, and more of an extrovert where she's white, tall, and more of an introvert and many other differences). And there are many guys who I try to understand and cant even though were both guys. To be able to understand someone, it doesnt matter what a between you legs... Those are the facts... Out of those things you mentioned (similar genitals, hormones, testosterone levels, drive, emotions), the only one thats really right is the similar genitals. And even that can be very different. The only thing is that they are usually made up from the same parts... But everyone has emotions. And theyre different for everybody. Just like testosterone levels. They literally have pills for when people have an imbalance. So, those mean nothing since those are different for everybody...

I already get the 'female perspective' from non-sexual female partners like my mothers and sisters. That should be enough. May be I should've reworded this better: What can my sexual female partners provide me that my brothers or male friends couldn't? I can't think of anything.

And yes, males have more in common with each other than males and females overall, for the most part. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having segregated sports. Instead, everything would be mixed. Males vs females. But of course, the fact that males aren't allowed to face females in sports and vice versa, proves my point.

And the fact that males numerically dominate females in certain fields and vice versa, proves that males and females aren't quite as similar as many people would want to believe they are. And there is nothing wrong with that!

YoukaiSlayer posted...

They can disagree with me if they want but the brain isn't just going to release the chemicals because we want it to.

That's because you're being narrow-minded. Just because they don't need sex to release those chemicals, don't mean there aren't other ways for them to release those chemicals. Sex isn't everything, or the be end all end. Sex is absolutely not the equivalent of love for everyone.

adjl posted...

What can your male friends provide you that a female friend couldn't?

Be a more compettive sports partner.

Have mutual understanding together of what it means to be a male We can both understand each other in a way a female could never understand me. Such as the needs of a male.

Ganstaz003 posted...

Just because they don't need sex to release those chemicals, don't mean there aren't other ways for them to release those chemicals

Unless they have some sort of brain defect it sure does.

Ganstaz003 posted...

Sex isn't everything, or the be end all end. Sex is absolutely not the equivalent of love for everyone.

I never said it was. I said it's unique and something I'd be sad to live without. It's only one component of a relationship and you can certainly find happiness without it, but it's not replaceable either.

I'm not trying to tell you to stop being asexual, but asexual people absolutely do not get the same experience as people that do enjoy sex.

It's like religion. It can leave you feeling incredibly fulfilled and comforted, but I can't manage to believe in it, so I just don't get to experience those things. I can find fulfillment and comfort through other means, but I'll never be able to experience feeling like god is looking out for me and that I have heaven to look forward to after this life.

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