Poll of the Day > Straight males and females, would you choose to be homosexual if it was possible

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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 5:29:26 PM
#51:


LinkPizza posted...
The only thing is a real penis. Other than that, not much, AFAIK...

There are women with real penis

adjl posted...
Are you surprised that people are somewhat put off by you literally calling them useless?

I mean if the shoe fits

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JigsawTDC
10/22/20 5:29:42 PM
#52:


#notallmen
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adjl
10/22/20 5:31:28 PM
#53:


Jen0125 posted...
If someone doesn't feel it applies to them then they wouldn't feel the need to defend themselves.

You seem to be conflating self-defense with pointing out that you're being unreasonable. Those are actually two different things. Of course, if you didn't feel that being called unreasonable applied to you, I guess you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself, by your own reasoning, so...

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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:33:05 PM
#54:


There's a shocking amount of casual misandry in this topic.
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LinkPizza
10/22/20 5:33:18 PM
#55:


IronBornCorps posted...
There are women with real penis

I guess I was talking about being born biologically a male. That being said, there are people also born with both... Though, I do need to read up more about the biology of that... Seems very interesting...
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Ganstaz003
10/22/20 5:34:02 PM
#56:


LinkPizza posted...
I wouldnt like that. I like sex, and the feeling I get from it...

Isnt she right, though? I mean, in most other species, its the male that usually looks super pretty and colorful to attract mates...

Oh. Really? I see...

So, now youre assuming all gay males can jerk off to pictures of attractive males? You know thats not true, right?

Many women want just sex, as well. And many men also want romance. IIRC, @wolfy42 mentioned how many of his male friends were actually bummed because they were looking for a relationship, but kept finding women that wanted to hook-up.

The only thing is a real penis. Other than that, not much, AFAIK...

But what if you could give yourself the same amount of pleasure through 'self-sex' as you could from having sex with another person. That's why asexuality is best, as it renders the need for anybody else to pleasure one's self.

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Ganstaz003
10/22/20 5:35:21 PM
#57:


Jen0125 posted...
No, I just think men in general are useless. I'm sorry that you feel offended enough by that that you need to defend men.

And I think females in general are useless. Makes us both even there!
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Ganstaz003
10/22/20 5:36:06 PM
#58:


LinkPizza posted...
I wouldnt like that. I like sex, and the feeling I get from it...

Isnt she right, though? I mean, in most other species, its the male that usually looks super pretty and colorful to attract mates...

Oh. Really? I see...

So, now youre assuming all gay males can jerk off to pictures of attractive males? You know thats not true, right?

Many women want just sex, as well. And many men also want romance. IIRC, @wolfy42 mentioned how many of his male friends were actually bummed because they were looking for a relationship, but kept finding women that wanted to hook-up.

The only thing is a real penis. Other than that, not much, AFAIK...

Can you define 'romance' for me please?
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CarefreeDude
10/22/20 5:37:05 PM
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Some FtM trans men who have had hormones have a sizable clit that is like a small penis

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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 5:37:37 PM
#60:


LinkPizza posted...
I guess I was talking about being born biologically a male. That being said, there are people also born with both... Though, I do need to read up more about the biology of that... Seems very interesting...

It's really interesting. I have read up on it myself. Those women are born biological women, just biological women with a penis. It took a while to wrap my head around it all, but I found it easier once I stopped associating penis with men, and vagina with women. Also, glad to hear you mention intersex conditions as they are more common than the general population believes.

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adjl
10/22/20 5:38:02 PM
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And pre-op trans women still have their natural wangus, though hormone treatments tend to interfere with it working properly.

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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:38:08 PM
#62:


IronBornCorps posted...
Those women are born biological women, just biological women with a penis.
...uhhh
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Ganstaz003
10/22/20 5:38:13 PM
#63:


IronBornCorps posted...
What can your bros provide that a woman can't?

Mutual understanding of what it means to be a male I guess? We can both understand each other in a way a female could never understand me.
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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 5:38:28 PM
#64:


Vescreth posted...
There's a shocking amount of casual misandry in this topic.

some men want to be oppressed so bad...

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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:39:34 PM
#65:


adjl posted...
You seem to be conflating self-defense with pointing out that you're being unreasonable. Those are actually two different things. Of course, if you didn't feel that being called unreasonable applied to you, I guess you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself, by your own reasoning, so...

Okay and men are trash. What about it

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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:40:41 PM
#66:


IronBornCorps posted...
some men want to be oppressed so bad...
How would you characterize this statement:

Jen0125 posted...
Okay and men are trash. What about it

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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:41:32 PM
#67:


Oh, very oppressive

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Yellow
10/22/20 5:44:10 PM
#68:


Jen0125 posted...
No, I just think men in general are useless. I'm sorry that you feel offended enough by that that you need to defend men.
If I was a nice person I'd say something to cheer you up. Instead I'll say I grew up with a mom who went in and out of psychosis episodes that terrified the shit out of me. I can come out of that not thinking women are too emotional to think clearly, you sure are giving quick judgements after being single for a whole *gasp* week and a half, and it doesn't look good on you.

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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:44:28 PM
#69:


Jen0125 posted...
Oh, very oppressive
I said misandry.

The definition of misandry is as follows:

dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men

The posts you and Iron have made in this topic unquestionably suit this definition. Why are you gloating about your prejudices?

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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:45:13 PM
#70:


Yellow posted...
If I was a nice person I'd say something to cheer you up. Instead I'll say I grew up with a mom who went in and out of psychosis episodes that terrified the shit out of me. I can come out of that not thinking women are too emotional to think clearly, you sure are giving quick judgements after being single for a whole *gasp* week and a half, and it doesn't look good on you.

Why do you assume my opinion of men is formed by a recent break up? I have the capability to observe many men in many environments and my conclusion is that men are useless.

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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:45:34 PM
#71:


Vescreth posted...
I said misandry.

The definition of misandry is as follows:

dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men

The posts you and Iron have made in this topic unquestionably suit this definition. Why are you gloating about your prejudices?

Men are so sensitive holy moly

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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:46:55 PM
#72:


Jen0125 posted...
Men are so sensitive holy moly
You didn't answer the question. Why are you so proud of your prejudice?
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adjl
10/22/20 5:46:57 PM
#73:


Vescreth posted...
...uhhh

I mean, there are actually several different elements to biological sex. It's not just genitalia, as people tend to presume. You can get mismatches between genitalia, gonads, chromosomes, neuroanatomy, hormones... Off-hand, I can't think of any conditions that cause somebody who checks off every other box as "female" to develop a fully-functional penis (some result in "ambiguous genitalia" that may resemble a penis, but rarely a complete one), but Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome can result in a person who's almost completely indistinguishable from a biological female except that they have internal testicles and a Y chromosome (they produce the normal amount of testosterone for a male, but the body ignores it and so develops as a female). Folks with AIS pass so well as female that the condition generally isn't even diagnosed until they get well into puberty and go see a doctor to find out why they haven't had a period yet or to complain about painful sex (having no uterus results in a shallower vagina than is typical), depending on which becomes a concern first.

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JigsawTDC
10/22/20 5:47:00 PM
#74:


Vescreth posted...
I said misandry.

The definition of misandry is as follows:

dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men

The posts you and Iron have made in this topic unquestionably suit this definition. Why are you gloating about your prejudices?

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Yellow
10/22/20 5:48:03 PM
#75:


Jen0125 posted...
Men are so sensitive holy moly
What do you expect from someone you call useless?

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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:48:48 PM
#76:


Yellow posted...
What do you expect from someone you call useless?

Truth

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adjl
10/22/20 5:49:18 PM
#77:


Jen0125 posted...
Okay and men are trash. What about it

I don't really need to tell you what about it. It's been pretty exhaustively covered why that's an absurd blanket statement completely in line with your fragile emotional state post-breakup. You can go back and read prior posts if you need help figuring it out.

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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:50:36 PM
#78:


adjl posted...
I don't really need to tell you what about it. It's been pretty exhaustively covered why that's an absurd blanket statement completely in line with your fragile emotional state post-breakup. You can go back and read prior posts if you need help figuring it out.

Okay

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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 5:51:33 PM
#79:


All the misogyny and homophobia in this topic, but no lets talk about how men have it bad.

Do you see why someone would think you useless?

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JigsawTDC
10/22/20 5:52:13 PM
#80:


adjl posted...
I don't really need to tell you what about it. It's been pretty exhaustively covered why that's an absurd blanket statement completely in line with your fragile emotional state post-breakup. You can go back and read prior posts if you need help figuring it out.

Men are trash is like a meme statement, not a literal blanket statement. Anyone upset by that statement has just as fragile of an emotional state.
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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:53:09 PM
#81:


Sexism isn't a meme. Kindly rethink your worldview.
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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 5:54:33 PM
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CarefreeDude
10/22/20 5:54:56 PM
#83:


This topic is lulzy

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JigsawTDC
10/22/20 5:56:08 PM
#84:


Vescreth posted...
Sexism isn't a meme. Kindly rethink your worldview.

please tell me more about how sexism has negatively impacted your life, sir
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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:56:27 PM
#85:


Hypocrisy is an interesting thing.
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Vescreth
10/22/20 5:57:14 PM
#86:


JigsawTDC posted...
please tell me more about how sexism has negatively impacted your life, sir
Sexism is sexism. Don't perpetuate it and call it a meme, because it's not.
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Jen0125
10/22/20 5:57:58 PM
#87:


Vescreth posted...
Sexism is sexism. Don't perpetuate it and call it a meme, because it's not.

So it hasn't affected your life then

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Yellow
10/22/20 5:59:18 PM
#88:


Jen there's a pothole in the road, someone call the book club so we can get that fixed.

/things that will prevent me from being elected as a public official, thinks jen

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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 5:59:41 PM
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LinkPizza
10/22/20 6:00:09 PM
#90:


Wouldnt it be hard to say all men are useless if you havent met all men? Or dont know all men?

Ganstaz003 posted...
But what if you could give yourself the same amount of pleasure through 'self-sex' as you could from having sex with another person. That's why asexuality is best, as it renders the need for anybody else to pleasure one's self.

Yes. I would. Sex if much better with another person. Not just because of the sex, either. I love the other person, so it makes it better. Sex with other guys isnt the same. And its not just because hes good at sex, but because its him... So, I wouldnt ever want to be asexual. It works for some people, but not me...

Ganstaz003 posted...
Can you define 'romance' for me please?

If you want the actual definition, youd have to look that up. But it can mean different things for different people. Some consider it just more than sex, some consider it a connection with someone, some consider it a relationship, etc...

CarefreeDude posted...
Some FtM trans men who have had hormones have a sizable clit that is like a small penis

Ive seen that in porn. Though, I dont know much about it. Though, Im hoping for the day they could fully change a human inside and out. Thatll be exciting...

IronBornCorps posted...
It's really interesting. I have read up on it myself. Those women are born biological women, just biological women with a penis. It took a while to wrap my head around it all, but I found it easier once I stopped associating penis with men, and vagina with women. Also, glad to hear you mention intersex conditions as they are more common than the general population believes.

Yeah. Its been a while, but I think I saw somewhere the numbers. It was higher than I thought it would be. People always make it seem like its super ultra rare. But its not as rare as they make it seem...

Ganstaz003 posted...
Mutual understanding of what it means to be a male I guess? We can both understand each other in a way a female could never understand me.

Maybe. Though, that might not be as true as youd hope. I mean, guys still have different feelings of what its like to be a guy... Not to mention, even in gay relationships, I dont think its really something people focus on...
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Vescreth
10/22/20 6:00:15 PM
#91:


Jen0125 posted...
So it hasn't affected your life then
Why are you fighting to justify your prejudice?
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Jen0125
10/22/20 6:03:03 PM
#92:


Yellow posted...
Jen there's a pothole in the road, someone call the book club so we can get that fixed.

/things that will prevent me from being elected as a public official, thinks jen

Do you think there are no female construction workers

Mad about misandry while being misogynist
Ok

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adjl
10/22/20 6:06:09 PM
#93:


IronBornCorps posted...
All the misogyny and homophobia in this topic

Not really. There's that one guy who explicitly said that the only thing a relationship with a woman could give him is sex, but he's generally just being really weird about relationships and doesn't even really want one anyway, so I think that can safely be taken with a grain of salt. I can't say I've noticed much by way of homophobia, aside from, again, TC having weird preconceptions about gender-based differences in sex drive, so again, grain of salt. Most of it's been taken over by Jen being openly misandrist and getting defensive when people called her out on it (which is really a very typical Jen thing to do), not by misogyny/homophobia.

To actually answer the topic question myself, it's hard to say because my current thoughts and feelings regarding sex and relationships are based on being straight. I don't have enough romantic/sexual interest in men to be able to say "I'd like to be gay," so I would be inclined to answer negatively, but that's based on my current orientation. If I were gay, though, it stands to reason that that attitude would change, meaning the answer would become yes. To that end, it's really a weird question that can't be answered. If the question were "If you woke up tomorrow and had magically turned gay, would you be okay with it?" then it'd be easy to answer "yes," aside from the fact that it would throw a rather large wrench into my current long-term heterosexual relationship such that I'd say "no" for purely practical reasons.

IronBornCorps posted...
Do you see why someone would think you useless?

Without knowing anything about me personally? It's not hard to know why that is, because there's only one immediate explanation for that: angry, bitter prejudice. That's literally what the word "prejudice" means. The basis for that prejudice will vary from person to person, but pretty invariably it says more about them and their failure to handle their life experiences healthily than it does about me.

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YoukaiSlayer
10/22/20 6:08:06 PM
#94:


Ganstaz003 posted...
But what if you could give yourself the same amount of pleasure through 'self-sex' as you could from having sex with another person. That's why asexuality is best, as it renders the need for anybody else to pleasure one's self.
The best part of sex isn't the physical pleasure, it's the intimacy. Raw sensation wise, anyone else is going to be hard pressed to do significantly better than I can do to myself, but it's so much more satisfying when you mix it with intimacy.

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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 6:08:42 PM
#95:


Wow, you wrote all those words and said nothing of value...

I would call that useless

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Noop_Noop
10/22/20 6:09:01 PM
#96:


Aculo posted...
some of you are severely fucking odd...

thats why i keep coming back

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Yellow
10/22/20 6:14:22 PM
#97:


Jen0125 posted...
Do you think there are no female construction workers
No no no

There are roughly 10%. Probably because of gender norms. And 5.4% on github, a free software distribution site that anyone can use without revealing their identity.

It's almost like men aren't useless because they play a small part in helping produce some of the software and technology your life revolves around. Nah, totally useless.

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Jen0125
10/22/20 6:15:13 PM
#98:


Yellow posted...
No no no

There are roughly 10%. Probably because of gender norms. And 5.4% on github, a free software distribution site that anyone can use without revealing their identity.

It's almost like men aren't useless because they play a small part in helping produce some of the software and technology your life revolves around. Nah, totally useless.

So there are women construction workers and you still think only men are construction workers or that only women are in book clubs

So misogyny is okay with you but not misandry

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JigsawTDC
10/22/20 6:15:44 PM
#99:


idk in Y: The Last Man all the men except one die and society moves on fine, so maybe there's some truth to the statement
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IronBornCorps
10/22/20 6:15:59 PM
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Modern computing and the most common programming languages were developed by women though...

So I guess they aren't useless as long as you show them what to do.

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