Poll of the Day > Straight males and females, would you choose to be homosexual if it was possible

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fun fact: my exes last job was in construction and of the two of us I am far more likely to join a book club.

IronBornCorps posted...

Modern computing and the most common programming languages were developed by women though...

So I guess they aren't useless as long as you show them what to do.

That last sentence is probably closer to the truth. They can do thing but usually need someone (a woman a lot of times) to tell them how to do it

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I am saying that the average wage for a construction worker would go up if there were no men. And that's more taxes you have to pay, as a woman. See? We have at least one use.

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When you can't make an argument against men being useless without misogyny you may be having an issue

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IronBornCorps posted...

Modern computing and the most common programming languages were developed by women though...

So I guess they aren't useless as long as you show them what to do.

Yeah man just give a little help I'm just a dumb caveman brain man

I owe my entire portfolio to Jen, she basically did all the work.

And I do hold female programmers in very high regard, just not Jen at this very moment. XD

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Ganstaz003 posted...

Thanks for your honesty! I'm pretty sure there are many males who also feel the same way about females for obvious reasons.

https://imgur.com/a/jxFzv5q

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Why would wages go up if there were no men in the field?

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IronBornCorps posted...

Why would wages go up if there were no men in the field?

Less people would want the job probably

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That makes zero sense

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IronBornCorps posted...

Wow, you wrote all those words and said nothing of value...

I would call that useless

I'd call that illiterate. I wish you the best of luck in overcoming that handicap. I imagine it must be hard.

Jen0125 posted...

So there are women construction workers and you still think only men are construction workers or that only women are in book clubs

So misogyny is okay with you but not misandry

Pretty sure that particular post was more than a little facetious.

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IronBornCorps posted...

That makes zero sense

Think about it.

There are 10% women construction workers. You now need 10x the amount of workers that you have while people are applying indiscriminately. You're going to need to pay construction workers more to get more workers.

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Yellow posted...

Think about it.

tall order for that one bro

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adjl posted...

I'd call that illiterate. I wish you the best of luck in overcoming that handicap. I imagine it must be hard.

Pretty sure that particular post was more than a little facetious.

You would defend misogyny as a man. I'm not shocked.

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Jen0125 posted...

You would defend misogyny as a man. I'm not shocked.

https://i.imgur.com/JwiVKqL.jpg

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Jen0125 posted...

You would defend misogyny as a man. I'm not shocked.

Calling something a joke is defending it?

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I'm heterosexual. Not that it'll ever happen but I do want kids one day. If possible I'd want to do this naturally so I'd want to remain sexually attracted to woman. However the mind does wonder and some guys are attractive. I actually find femboys sexually attractive and some traps too. If anything I'd want to find more blokes sexually attractive as then I'd have the best of both worlds. I'd probably more chance of rejection but definitely more chance of getting laid.

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Jen0125 posted...

I'd choose to be a lesbian. Men are useless.

People always say this and I just think
"Thats not how sexuality works."

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Yellow posted...

Think about it.

There are 10% women construction workers. You now need 10x the amount of workers that you have while people are applying indiscriminately. You're going to need to pay construction workers more to get more workers.

If there are no men in contruction, then 100% of contruction workers are women. In this magical scenario do men just all quit together? because in that case yes, they would likely hire the replacement workers at a higher rate. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure they would just hire more people BAU.

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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm heterosexual.

wwinterj25 posted...

However the mind does wonder and some guys are attractive. I actually find femboys sexually attractive and some traps too.

You can just admit to being bi.

IronBornCorps posted...

In this magical scenario do men just all quit together?

The usual implication of "useless" is that nothing would be lost if the person were to vanish altogether, so the hypothetical situation could easily entail men magically disappearing completely.

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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm heterosexual. Not that it'll ever happen but I do want kids one day. If possible I'd want to do this naturally so I'd want to remain sexually attracted to woman. However the mind does wonder and some guys are attractive. I actually find femboys sexually attractive and some traps too. If anything I'd want to find more blokes sexually attractive as then I'd have the best of both worlds. I'd probably more chance of rejection but definitely more chance of getting laid.

I get what you are saying, and I'm all for it. However, did you know referring to trans women as traps is not good?

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TrainerNeo_02 posted...

People always say this and I just think
"Thats not how sexuality works."

Obviously that's not how it works because I'm heterosexual

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Vescreth posted...

You can just admit to being bi.

You could open your mind and understand that not all heterosexual men are 100% heterosexual and nor would that make then bisexual. Still if we must label things put me under asexual because sexual attraction is always a one way street for me so I should just not even bother.

IronBornCorps posted...

I get what you are saying, and I'm all for it. However, did you know referring to trans women as traps is not good?

I never said anything about transsexual woman. Although on that subject now that you bring it up some transsexual folk are also sexually attractive. That can go many ways in many combinations.

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Vescreth posted...

You can just admit to being bi.

Honestly, labelling sexual orientation is pretty useless. Like who you like, and if anyone asks, tell them you like that person. Any further or more general description than that serves no practical purpose.

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I'd like to give a reply to that, but this topic gave a hearty laugh that has cleared all the cigarette smoking shit out of my throat, and now that all the shit is gone this topic is as useful to me as men.

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wwinterj25 posted...

I never said anything about transsexual woman.

In my experience the term "trap" is only ever used as a slur for transwomen. Did you mean it in some other way?

It is kind of interesting how useless has such a negative connotation, as if everything needs to justify it's reason to exist, rather than just not be a negative influence. Ultimately being useless/worthless is net neutral but it's seen as such a problem. Like you see depressed people say how they are worthless and that to them means they need to die as an example. It's just kinda strange to me.

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JigsawTDC posted...

In my experience the term "trap" is only ever used as a slur for trans women. Did you mean it in some other way?

*edit* I have met people who use the label trap for themselves, which is fine, but it shouldn't be used to refer to the group as a whole.

Example

Do
I talked to Felica the other day, she told me she labels herself as a trap.

Don't
I was looking around the internet and came across this site that was full of traps


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JigsawTDC posted...

Did you mean it in some other way?

Yes. Guys and even gals who look and dress like the opposite gender in order to "trap" folk. Technically a cross dresser could pass as a trap if they dressed that way to lore folk in. It seems some folk want to look for things that are not there.

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Maybe it's cause I watch/discuss a fair amount of anime but to me a trap is a bit more specific. It'd be someone who appears to be female but self-identifies as a male. It could be that they appear female on purpose or they could be completely unaware.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Maybe it's cause I watch/discuss a fair amount of anime but to me a trap is a bit more specific. It'd be someone who appears to be female but self-identifies as a male. It could be that they appear female on purpose or they could be completely unaware.

Whatever the case if they are hot then we could possibly have some fun.

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adjl posted...

Honestly, labelling sexual orientation is pretty useless. Like who you like, and if anyone asks, tell them you like that person. Any further or more general description than that serves no practical purpose.

Agreed.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Yes. Guys and even gals who look and dress like the opposite gender in order to "trap" folk. Technically a cross dresser could pass as a trap if they dressed that way to lore folk in. It seems some folk want to look for things that are not there.

Is that something people actually do irl though? Or a myth perpetuated because of transphobic fears? Seems more like the latter because I have never heard of someone "trapping" someone as you describe...

wwinterj25 posted...

Yes. Guys and even gals who look and dress like the opposite gender in order to "trap" folk. Technically a cross dresser could pass as a trap if they dressed that way to lore folk in. It seems some folk want to look for things that are not there.

This is exactly what I'm talking about though. It's called the deceiver archetype and has been used in media relentlessly in the last century. The idea that these people are dressing that way to trick and deceive others has led to violence against them.

I am aware that there is an identity with the label "trap" and some people do use it. It does seem to steam from Anime a lot, which explains is common use on sites like this. However, do you really want to use the argument "It's in anime so it's fine"?

*edit* The Dark Crusader gets it, it was really something little that I thought you may want to know for future reference is all Winter

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JigsawTDC posted...

In my experience the term "trap" is only ever used as a slur for transwomen. Did you mean it in some other way?

In Japanese media, it's a character archetype of a particularly effeminate male (usually younger) who routinely passes as female in-universe. They may or may not dress as female, and if they do, it's often because another character has dressed them as such. Bridget from Guilty Gear is an example. It's generally played for comedic effect and not necessarily as a deliberate deception on the part of the trap.

It's understandable how it's ended up as a slur for transwomen, but in that sense, it's not a question of gender identity or any such thing. If anything, using it as a slur for transwomen is an example of erroneously conflating transsexuals with transvestites.

YoukaiSlayer posted...

It is kind of interesting how useless has such a negative connotation, as if everything needs to justify it's reason to exist, rather than just not be a negative influence.

It kind of depends on context. If we're talking about whether or not a given group of people is of use to me, it's so obvious as to be pointless to say. Of course most people aren't useful to me. I will never interact with or be affected by the vast majority of people in any way. To that end, when people do actually say it, it's usually said with a certain degree of vitriol behind it (i.e. "I wish none of X people existed"), which is where the negative connotation comes from.

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JigsawTDC posted...

Is that something people actually do irl though? Or a myth perpetuated because of transphobic fears? Seems more like the latter because I have never heard of someone "trapping" someone as you describe...

It takes a lot of people to make the human race so the answer is yes, someone somewhere will probably do that.

IronBornCorps posted...

However, do you really want to use the argument "It's in anime so it's fine"?

I don't watch anime. I feel I do after reading all the comments over the years though.

IronBornCorps posted...

The Dark Crusader gets it, it was really something little that I thought you may want to know for future reference is all Winter

I'm going to use the term regardless. Stop been so sensitive.

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EvilMegas posted...

I would love to be double discriminated against.

join the club bro

You could always use the Kinsey Scale...
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Well I guess that's that.

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adjl posted...

In Japanese media, it's a character archetype of a particularly effeminate male (usually younger) who routinely passes as female in-universe. They may or may not dress as female, and if they do, it's often because another character has dressed them as such. Bridget from Guilty Gear is an example. It's generally played for comedic effect and not necessarily as a deliberate deception on the part of the trap.

It's understandable how it's ended up as a slur for transwomen, but in that sense, it's not a question of gender identity or any such thing. If anything, using it as a slur for transwomen is an example of erroneously conflating transsexuals with transvestites.

Origin aside, it's still used as a slur for a group of people now. Whether people mean it harmfully or not is kinda beside the point.

wwinterj25 posted...

I'm going to use the term regardless. Stop been so sensitive.

You can call it sensitivity, but "mindfulness" seems like the more apt term here. When knowingly using a word that is a slur to a group of people, you need to be conscious of intentions vs. impact.

Absolutely not. Fewer options, more discrimination, and i cant think of any positive gain that the choice would bring.

Thered be an argument for Bi as it would increase your options but even then i dont know if itd be worth it given the type of people around here. If i moved somewhere more tolerant maybe.

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JigsawTDC posted...

Origin aside, it's still used as a slur for a group of people now. Whether people mean it harmfully or not is kinda beside the point.

Yes and no. It's important to be cognizant of how your audience is going to interpret it, as with all communication, but the original use is still very much a part of the vernacular (at least among certain circles). There's precedent for stopping use of terms and whatnot because they've taken on very bad connotations (the swastika being by far the most notorious example), but that doesn't mean it always has to go that way.

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JigsawTDC posted...

Origin aside, it's still used as a slur for a group of people now. Whether people mean it harmfully or not is kinda beside the point.

You can call it sensitivity, but "mindfulness" seems like the more apt term here. When knowingly using a word that is a slur to a group of people, you need to be conscious of intentions vs. impact.

Exactly right about the origins. The three letter F slur to describe gay men originated to describe a bundle of sticks. Then it was used to describe a cigarette.

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I generally feel like it's better to push multi-use words towards the acceptable use rather than try to stop using them. You basically have the power to delete a slur from existence. Look at how the weeb community just absorbs any insult (like otaku, and weeb). Right now theres not even an applicable slur towards that group because they just repurpose any that come up.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I generally feel like it's better to push multi-use words towards the acceptable use rather than try to stop using them. You basically have the power to delete a slur from existence. Look at how the weeb community just absorbs any insult (like otaku, and weeb). Right now theres not even an applicable slur towards that group because they just repurpose any that come up.

My attempt was to try and explain why it's a slur. The trans and gender non conforming community have TONS of slurs against them, and some (such as trap) are so common, that people outside the community don't even recognize them as slurs.

I'm all for taking back language and labels, but quite frankly since neither you nor Winter are "traps" to my knowledge, it's not your place to reclaim it.

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I feel like the whole archetype of the anime "trap" is already kinda pushing negative perception of trans people from the get go though, and the term's use a slur is an inevitable outcome as a result. So I'm not sure I'd call that "acceptable" but obviously it's the media portrayal that is the problem, not just the term itself. And the problematic portrayal of this archetype is primarily rooted in another culture, so it will continue to persist. There's a good documentary on Netflix called Disclosure about media portrayals of trans people throughout history that is pretty interesting and worth checking out.

I saw Disclosure. It was interesting, and really made me think what I really know about trans people and not just what I've seen in movies/TV.

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JigsawTDC posted...

You can call it sensitivity

Oh I will.

IronBornCorps posted...

I'm all for taking back language and labels, but quite frankly since neither you nor Winter are "traps" to my knowledge, it's not your place to reclaim it.

It really doesn't matter to me enough as a word to "reclaim it" you're right.

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Anyone who is really bi is seriously lucky. I don't think all people who have sex with both genders are really bi though, they may just be willing to have sex with people they are not strongly attracted to because you know....sex.

I don't find men attractive at all, sadly, but I really wish there was a pill that would change that tbh, more options is never a bad thing, even if i'm not into casual.

I'm not sexual active, nor do I really have a sex drive at all at this point, but I'm not totally asexual as I still find women attractive, and notice when a woman is especially hot etc. I have always been more into cute though than "sexy", and to actually date or eventually want to have sex with a woman, her personality was far more important to me than her looks.

I've also always been super considerate/careful about not making unwanted advances etc, which means most of the relationships I have been in, the woman had to beat me over the head repeatedly to get me to realize she was interested in me and wanted to date. That would have worked WAY freaking better if I had been a girl, just because of the way society generally is, and the dating roles that are most common.

If I the choice, over all, I think I would be a lesbian primarily, but bi (still found guys attractive) to give more long term options. I would look for a partner who was into a commited relationship, but open to adding others into our bed (possibly guys as well) sometimes, probably also bi, so we might have the option of adding a guy long term to have/raise children with.

The foundation would be a strong commited relationship with each other, anything added on would be secondary, but we would both be focused on each other and what the other person wants/needs to be happy. Neither member would be selfish, neither would ever consider cheating on the other, and both would be willing to communicate openly about their desires.

Course for all of that to happen/matter I'd need to be at least 20 years younger than I am now, at this point it wouldn't really make any difference at all.

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wwinterj25 posted...

It really doesn't matter to me enough as a word to "reclaim it" you're right.

Aren't you one of Sunny's critics when he takes a very similar attitude to when users tell him he is being homophobic or a using a slur?

wolfy42 posted...

Anyone who is really bi is seriously lucky.

Agreed. Many fish swim in a ocean.

JigsawTDC posted...

Aren't you one of Sunny's critics when he takes a very similar attitude to when users tell him he is being homophobic or a using a slur?

Just his other issues for the most part. Given the context and posts I've made here you're looking for reasons to be offended and it's wasted on me. Post some hot traps or something.

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