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Judgmenl
08/15/20 1:13:31 PM
#1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1faqdhOd4o

I just watched this video and totally can't relate to it. PC and switch are just superior platforms (even if I don't like many switch games).

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Mead
08/15/20 1:31:26 PM
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all that matters is games to me

I dont really care all that much what platform Im playing them on

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ArvTheGreat
08/15/20 1:34:24 PM
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Why does it matter which one is better when you have all of them

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Cruddy_horse
08/15/20 1:50:39 PM
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Because it's kinda petty.

Yeah I think PC is the far superior platform to play on but argueing about whether consoles are better are just plain dumb.
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helIy
08/15/20 2:15:04 PM
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everyone knows the ngage was the best platform


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LinkPizza
08/15/20 3:54:39 PM
#6:


ArvTheGreat posted...
Why does it matter which one is better when you have all of them

You have a point, there...
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blu
08/15/20 5:11:39 PM
#7:


ArvTheGreat posted...
Why does it matter which one is better when you have all of them

Who buys Xbox these days?
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Bulbasaur
08/15/20 5:17:53 PM
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blu posted...
Who buys Xbox these days?
who wouldn't want the strongest console

especially after it's been reported that games are struggling to hit 1080p60fps on the ps5, for some reason

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Far-Queue
08/15/20 5:22:22 PM
#9:


Mead posted...
all that matters is games to me

I dont really care all that much what platform Im playing them on
This. I don't care if one system has a small advantage in graphics or performance over another, either. We're reaching the point of diminishing returns. Progress is noticeable, but not mind blowing or anything.

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acesxhigh
08/15/20 5:52:37 PM
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well, I remember arguing with xbox fanboys when I was like 15 about how superior the PS3 was. so some people maybe just haven't mentally grown past that age yet
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Revelation34
08/15/20 6:06:04 PM
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PC would be the best if all games were ported to it.
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Mead
08/15/20 6:10:33 PM
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within my life I hope we get to a point where you just buy games and they work on wherever machine or service you have

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Revelation34
08/15/20 6:12:09 PM
#13:


Mead posted...
within my life I hope we get to a point where you just buy games and they work on wherever machine or service you have


Yeah but that would never happen. The technology exists already I think but the companies just want full competition.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/15/20 6:16:13 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
(even if I don't like many switch games).

Then by definition, the Switch is a terrible platform.



Bulbasaur posted...
who wouldn't want the strongest console

People who play games, not masturbate over specs?



Mead posted...
within my life I hope we get to a point where you just buy games and they work on wherever machine or service you have

We can't even get a fair number of games to work on the console they're supposed to be on as-is. At least not without multiple patches and constant tinkering.

The main problems in gaming mostly stem from the business model, where there's always incentive to release broken games and keep releasing multiple exclusive consoles/platforms (which is why we're now bordering having a "console war" for PC in spite of PC not even having consoles). As long as that doesn't change (and it almost certainly won't), they'll never be motivation to streamline gaming down into a single distribution model that actually benefits the consumer.
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Mead
08/15/20 6:16:37 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Yeah but that would never happen.

you dont know

even the smartest people are very bad at predicting what will happen in the future

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Zeus
08/15/20 6:26:21 PM
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PC and console wars are stupid, but spec discussions and other elements can interesting, particularly if you're trying to decide what to go with (and only picking one)

Personally, when Nintendo exited the handheld market (and no, the Switch isn't a proper handheld), the last remnant of my enthusiasm for traditional gaming went with it. There's very little to actually excite me any more.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Then by definition, the Switch is a terrible platform.

What?

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ParanoidObsessive
08/15/20 6:27:15 PM
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Mead posted...
even the smartest people are very bad at predicting what will happen in the future

Not really. It's generally pretty easy to predict the future, as long as you're predicting trends based on human behavior rather than technological innovation. A futurist in 1995 might not have been able to predict the invention of the smart phone or what it could eventually do, but given the assumption of the growing influence of the Internet and increasingly easier means of accessing it, they could do a pretty good job of predicting the ultimate effect it would have on human behavior and society.

If anything, the futurists who tend to get things wrong more often than not are the idealistic futurists. The cynical and pessimistic ones tend to be right a hell of a lot more often.
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LinkPizza
08/15/20 6:38:00 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
PC would be the best if all games were ported to it.

I feel the same about Switch. And feel it would be the best if all games were ported to it. That being said, if any of the systems had all games ported to it and the others didnt, it would definitely be the best. If all systems had all games, then Id go with Switch...

Revelation34 posted...
Yeah but that would never happen. The technology exists already I think but the companies just want full competition.

I mean, seeing how many games can already be played of more than one system, and can even cross play with each other (even PC and mobile), it definitely exist...
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Mead
08/15/20 6:41:31 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Not really. It's generally pretty easy to predict the future, as long as you're predicting trends based on human behavior rather than technological innovation. A futurist in 1995 might not have been able to predict the invention of the smart phone or what it could eventually do, but given the assumption of the growing influence of the Internet and increasingly easier means of accessing it, they could do a pretty good job of predicting the ultimate effect it would have on human behavior and society.

If anything, the futurists who tend to get things wrong more often than not are the idealistic futurists. The cynical and pessimistic ones tend to be right a hell of a lot more often.

I dont agree

Pretty much all of human history is just notable events that made everybody go Oh fuck!

People can make educated guesses but you never know what new thing is gonna happen in a few months or years that is gonna turn things on their head and effect things in weird ways

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Bulbasaur
08/15/20 6:49:32 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
People who play games, not masturbate over specs?
as it turns out, people tend to like their machine to play the game as good as it can be, and not worse than a different, similarly priced, machine

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LinkPizza
08/15/20 6:50:44 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
as it turns out, people tend to like their machine to play the game as good as it can be, and not worse than a different, similarly priced, machine

I guess... Though, as long as it can play the game good enough, Im usually fine...
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Bulbasaur
08/15/20 6:50:54 PM
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Mead posted...
I dont agree

Pretty much all of human history is just notable events that made everybody go Oh fuck!

People can make educated guesses but you never know what new thing is gonna happen in a few months or years that is gonna turn things on their head and effect things in weird ways
we're living in one of those examples now

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acesxhigh
08/15/20 7:14:57 PM
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Mead posted...
within my life I hope we get to a point where you just buy games and they work on wherever machine or service you have

you would think that's best for the public, but it might not be. the "exclusivity" competition can be pretty helpful for funding game development.

for example, GD Studio got a ton of support from Epic in exchange for making Diabotical exclusive to the Epic store. While it would have been great to play it on Steam, the resources are going towards improving the game and all we really have to do as players is to install the Epic launcher to play it.

There are obviously limits to how fragmented the PC platform can be, but I feel that it will naturally come to a reasonable number.
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Rooster_Sucker
08/15/20 8:34:49 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
as it turns out, people tend to like their machine to play the game as good as it can be, and not worse than a different, similarly priced, machine
Xbox One X must be flying off the shelves, then. Certainly they must've publicized sales data again to show how successful it is.

Oh, no. For some odd reason they're still not showing sales data. According to best industry guesses they've surpassed 50M units sold but that accounts for *all* Xbox One models. Surely this dwarfs PS4 sales figures and proves your point. Surely.

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Revelation34
08/15/20 8:44:55 PM
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LinkPizza posted...


I feel the same about Switch. And feel it would be the best if all games were ported to it. That being said, if any of the systems had all games ported to it and the others didnt, it would definitely be the best. If all systems had all games, then Id go with Switch...

I mean, seeing how many games can already be played of more than one system, and can even cross play with each other (even PC and mobile), it definitely exist...


Switch isn't powerful enough to play some of the games. Hell they even released a gutted FF15 for it.

acesxhigh posted...


you would think that's best for the public, but it might not be. the "exclusivity" competition can be pretty helpful for funding game development.

for example, GD Studio got a ton of support from Epic in exchange for making Diabotical exclusive to the Epic store. While it would have been great to play it on Steam, the resources are going towards improving the game and all we really have to do as players is to install the Epic launcher to play it.

There are obviously limits to how fragmented the PC platform can be, but I feel that it will naturally come to a reasonable number.


Epic is trash.
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LinkPizza
08/15/20 8:56:23 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Switch isn't powerful enough to play some of the games. Hell they even released a gutted FF15 for it.

But, I can take it everywhere. And while a laptop is also portable, the switch is better at portability...
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wwinterj25
08/15/20 9:01:31 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
I just watched this video and totally can't relate to it. PC and switch are just superior platforms (even if I don't like many switch games).


I mean by your own admission you've fallen out of love with gaming. I believe every platform has it's own merits but also it's own cons. As a grown arsed adult i could simply buy any or all platforms at some point but I have all I desire right now. As Mead pointed out all that matters to me is the software not the hardware. I certainly don't feel the need to make a weak topic on PotD trying to cause some kind of platform war.

Bulbasaur posted...
as it turns out, people tend to like their machine to play the game as good as it can be, and not worse than a different, similarly priced, machine

I'd rather have a platform with great exclusives and less specs then visa versa. Specs are not the reason I game. It always baffles me when console folk go on about specs. I mean you would be gaming on the PC if you wanted the best experience spec wise.

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Judgmenl
08/15/20 9:23:50 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
I mean by your own admission you've fallen out of love with gaming. I believe every platform has it's own merits but also it's own cons. As a grown arsed adult i could simply buy any or all platforms at some point but I have all I desire right now. As Mead pointed out all that matters to me is the software not the hardware. I certainly don't feel the need to make a weak topic on PotD trying to cause some kind of platform war.

I just finished Trails of Cold Steel 3 last night (I got it back in April) and I'm currently playing through Trails from Zero. Problem isn't me not "loving" gaming, the problem is a lack of games I like as I'm not the targeted demographic and haven't been for around 15 years now.

As for buying things, I'm not a reckless consumer. I make educated purchases. Consoles don't have any value to me as their IPs are mostly, uninspired action games from "popular IPs". See the argument over fucking Spider Man of all characters.

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wwinterj25
08/15/20 9:35:10 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
I just finished Trails of Cold Steel 3 last night (I got it back in April) and I'm currently playing through Trails from Zero. Problem isn't me not "loving" gaming, the problem is a lack of games I like as I'm not the targeted demographic and haven't been for around 15 years now.

Give me a list of games you've like. Recent ones would be nice but old ones too if you want.

As for buying things, I'm not a reckless consumer. I make educated purchases. Consoles don't have any value to me as their IPs are mostly, uninspired action games from "popular IPs". See the argument over fucking Spider Man of all characters.

Again I play where the games are. This doesn't mean I'm a " reckless consumer". I actually buy most games when cheaper. I feel bad for soemoen who can't enjoy good games.

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Judgmenl
08/15/20 9:43:00 PM
#30:


wwinterj25 posted...
Give me a list of games you've liked in the past couple of years.
Sure no problem. (I'll do this by release date)
2020:
Trails of Cold Steel 3
Trails from Zero (Didn't come out in 2020 technically, but Geofront released it's translation patch)
One Step From Eden (really needs to get some more content updates)

2019:
Pokemon SwSh
(I bought all of 5 games in 2019, none of which came out in 2019 except Pokemon)

2018:
Battletech
Mega Man 11
Dragon Quest XI
Slay the Spire

2017:
Divinity: Original Sin 2
Dead Cells
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky 3rd
Tales of Berseria (could have been a better game, series is going in the wrong direction)

2019 and 2020 have just been really bad for me.

Oh and I play an unhealthy amount of Star Trek Online (like 2000-2500 hours since April)

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wwinterj25
08/15/20 9:44:42 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Dragon Quest XI
Divinity: Original Sin 2

These are the only one I've played from your list. Both are enjoyable games.

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bulbinking
08/15/20 9:45:00 PM
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Console wars are what poor people wage who cant afford all the consoles.

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gbagcn
08/15/20 11:41:39 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1faqdhOd4o

I just watched this video and totally can't relate to it. PC and switch are just superior platforms (even if I don't like many switch games).

Did you even watch the whole thing?
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hypnox
08/15/20 11:45:35 PM
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Anything with multiple players will have loyalties. Cars, consoles, bars, etc. As long as there exists another option of something, there will be atleast two people fighting over which is better.

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BlackScythe0
08/16/20 12:22:01 AM
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I don't see any purpose in discussing PS5 or Xbox. I regret buying my PS4 basically all the games I bought for it are now available on PC (which didn't used to happen in the past) The only console with marginal justifications to buy is nintendo.

When it's all on PC now days no reason to get a console.
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Aculo
08/16/20 12:25:04 AM
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I haven't engaged in console war arguments since I was a teenager, ok?

Seems pointless and stupid if you ask me, ok?

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LinkPizza
08/16/20 12:37:10 AM
#38:


BlackScythe0 posted...
When it's all on PC now days no reason to get a console.

Depends. There are enough exclusives to get people to buy consoles. Even if you don't buy them, other people will. And if their friends all buy a certain console, the rest might buy it to so they can all play together. Though, with cross-play, it won't matter as much. Which is probably why they don't want that to happen.

Then you have people who like console better. Like I'll probably always buy console. I'm not a fan of mouse and keyboard. So, I'd rather use a controller. But I'm not using a controller against people using a mouse and keyboard, so...

There's enough reason to buy consoles. The reasons just don't apply to everyone...
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wwinterj25
08/16/20 12:48:03 AM
#39:


BlackScythe0 posted...
When it's all on PC now days no reason to get a console.

Unless you simply don't own a gaming PC and like the exclusives of a console sure.


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BlackScythe0
08/16/20 1:14:47 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
Depends. There are enough exclusives to get people to buy consoles. Even if you don't buy them, other people will. And if their friends all buy a certain console, the rest might buy it to so they can all play together. Though, with cross-play, it won't matter as much. Which is probably why they don't want that to happen.

Then you have people who like console better. Like I'll probably always buy console. I'm not a fan of mouse and keyboard. So, I'd rather use a controller. But I'm not using a controller against people using a mouse and keyboard, so...

There's enough reason to buy consoles. The reasons just don't apply to everyone...
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LinkPizza
08/16/20 1:20:17 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
*shug* I use my PS4 controller on my PC more than I do on the ps4.

And I could use my XBox controller. Though, it can be a deterrent to use a controller against many other using a mouse and keyboard. The difference in how they play (for online games) between using a controller vs mouse and keyboard is quite different, from what I'v'e seen. So, when it comes to online, I'd rather use a controller against others using a controller... Personally... I like an even playing field, if possible...
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Revelation34
08/16/20 1:30:04 AM
#42:


Judgmenl posted...

Sure no problem. (I'll do this by release date)
2020:
Trails of Cold Steel 3
Trails from Zero (Didn't come out in 2020 technically, but Geofront released it's translation patch)
One Step From Eden (really needs to get some more content updates)

2019:
Pokemon SwSh
(I bought all of 5 games in 2019, none of which came out in 2019 except Pokemon)

2018:
Battletech
Mega Man 11
Dragon Quest XI
Slay the Spire

2017:
Divinity: Original Sin 2
Dead Cells
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky 3rd
Tales of Berseria (could have been a better game, series is going in the wrong direction)

2019 and 2020 have just been really bad for me.

Oh and I play an unhealthy amount of Star Trek Online (like 2000-2500 hours since April)


I'm sorry you got it on PC.

LinkPizza posted...


And I could use my XBox controller. Though, it can be a deterrent to use a controller against many other using a mouse and keyboard. The difference in how they play (for online games) between using a controller vs mouse and keyboard is quite different, from what I'v'e seen. So, when it comes to online, I'd rather use a controller against others using a controller... Personally... I like an even playing field, if possible...


For JRPGs playing without a controller is fucking horrible on PC. Windows 10 glitched on me and I had to play with keyboard until I could get to a place I could save.
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Judgmenl
08/16/20 7:32:38 AM
#43:


Revelation34 posted...
I'm sorry you got it on PC.
Why?

Revelation34 posted...
For JRPGs playing without a controller is fucking horrible on PC.
I have 360 controller, a PS2 controller, a PS3 controller and a wireless Xbox One controller I can use on PC just fine.

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Revelation34
08/16/20 3:47:05 PM
#44:


Judgmenl posted...

Why?

I have 360 controller, a PS2 controller, a PS3 controller and a wireless Xbox One controller I can use on PC just fine.


Denuvo. The controller I have uses Xbox controls.
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LinkPizza
08/16/20 4:19:39 PM
#45:


Revelation34 posted...
The controller I have uses Xbox controls.

This reminds me of the time I played with a controller for a PC game. It told me to press X, which caused me to lose. Turns out, they meant X for PS controls, but I was using an XBox controller...
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Revelation34
08/16/20 6:32:09 PM
#46:


LinkPizza posted...


This reminds me of the time I played with a controller for a PC game. It told me to press X, which caused me to lose. Turns out, they meant X for PS controls, but I was using an XBox controller...


It just automatically detects it. Eventually I'll like to get the wireless version of it. Then I could probably just lay in bed and play.
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