Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic Part 500: The Posting Business

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I believe WWE and Vince McMahon.

https://wrestlenomics.com/2020/08/11/i-believe-wwe-and-in-wwe/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Thurston is always awesome but this is a truly incredible work
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Highly recommend reading the article! It's good stuff.

Also, Raw rating barely went down. Which means... people wanted to see more Underground and Retribution? Which boggles my mind.

More strange is that sports aren't affecting wrestling now.

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AEW beat all 3 hours of raw in 18-34
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Oh.

So the OLDS are just really invested in Underground and Retribution.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Also, Raw rating barely went down. Which means... people wanted to see more Underground and Retribution? Which boggles my mind.

This isn't an accurate reading of ratings necessarily. As ratings dwindle, the audience is comprised of a higher percentage of the hardcore fan that is less likely to be affected by the content of the show.

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scarletspeed7 posted...

This isn't an accurate reading of ratings necessarily. As ratings dwindle, the audience is comprised of a higher percentage of the hardcore fan that is less likely to be affected by the content of the show.

Well, considering that ratings were up from the weeks prior to that in a bigger way, my argument is that they managed to retain viewership somehow.

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This is the issue with short-term ratings affecting long-term booking. Much like climate change, it's the running trend that matters.

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Clearly getting rid of the dancing girls is why they dropped so hard in the demos.

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So Curt Hawkins debut with IMPACT was a world title shot again Eddie Edwards (which was not a squash) and his gimmick is now he is "The Most Professional Wrestler."

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I heard it was a great match too.

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Also the dancer's biggest fan? Liv Morgan.

https://twitter.com/YaOnlyLivvOnce/status/1293226181286752256

https://twitter.com/YaOnlyLivvOnce/status/1293332566188032000

https://twitter.com/YaOnlyLivvOnce/status/1293332681481101312

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I heard it was a great match too.

I heard it was nothing special and Edwards was in control for a decent amount of it.

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Tbh that sounds more like I would expect.

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Awww, Pineapple Pete confirmed he's done with AEW.

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Wait, they're still going through with Cassidy/Jericho? Is it pre-taped?

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I have heard it was but that the rest of dynamite was gonna be live

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bick congratulations on your new job

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So what do you guys think of this Meltzer hot take? I actually think this could be the case. I think people are more invested in AEW than WWE at this point, and that while most people know WWE, I don't think they're into it enough to know the champs.

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1293669856936509440?s=19

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https://twitter.com/Santiag0180/status/1293672223790727170?s=19

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I think it's very possible. It took me 2-3 minutes of thinking to remember who the WWE champs were so the chances of the general public knowing them is very slim I think. They would probably just throw out names of people who don't even wrestle anymore.

I mean I don't think a ton of people are going to know what AEW is either. But it's more likely they have heard of AEW in passing or seen a commercial or something than they know who Braun/Drew are and that they are the champs

TheRock1525 posted...

https://twitter.com/Santiag0180/status/1293672223790727170?s=19

This is more accurate to his statement

https://twitter.com/Widmore316/status/1293674981537136640

ShatteredElysium posted...

I think it's very possible. It took me 2-3 minutes of thinking to remember who the WWE champs were so the chances of the general public knowing them is very slim I think. They would probably just throw out names of people who don't even wrestle anymore.

I mean I don't think a ton of people are going to know what AEW is either. But it's more likely they have heard of AEW in passing or seen a commercial or something than they know who Braun/Drew are and that they are the champs

There's radically different from tell you they heard of AEW vs. telling you about AEW. I watched the second half of an NBA game and got four commercials. So like if someone asked a non-wrestling fan who watches NBA basketball, I'm sure I'd get "it's a wrestling show" but if I asked them what the Dark Order was, they'd have no idea.

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Right, but doesn't that more or less apply for WWE too? Like nobody knows Drew McIntyre. They could tell you they know WWE. About some wrestler's they used to watch. "oh I saw John Cena in a movie the other week." But I doubt they know the vast majority of anyone on the roster, let alone the champs.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Right, but doesn't that more or less apply for WWE too? Like nobody knows Drew McIntyre. They could tell you they know WWE. About some wrestler's they used to watch. "oh I saw John Cena in a movie the other week." But I doubt they know the vast majority of anyone on the roster, let alone the champs.

Right but this is true with AEW, too. Even less people can tell you specifics about who is champion in AEW, who are the factions, etc. There's an even bigger gap between searches of WWE vs. Jon Moxley.

There's a reason one garners higher ratings than the other. Drew McIntyre's spikes when he won the WWE title match the entirety of AEW where's Moxley's win doesn't even come close.

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I tried to think of who still currently active in WWE average people might know. Like, before you could count on Cena, probably the Bellas, and so on. Now it's a lot tougher.

Miz might be the only one I'd say any sizable amount of people may know? Maybe New Day due to gaming presence?

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TheRock1525 posted...

There's radically different from tell you they heard of AEW vs. telling you about AEW. I watched the second half of an NBA game and got four commercials. So like if someone asked a non-wrestling fan who watches NBA basketball, I'm sure I'd get "it's a wrestling show" but if I asked them what the Dark Order was, they'd have no idea.

I think the point is that their awareness of their existence is growing rapidly, and awareness of the actual goings-on in WWE is rapidly waning

Of course you cant compare awareness of the companies themselves. WWE has decades of a head start
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Randy Orton would probably be the biggest one.

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I forget Braun is champ constantly.

I only remember McIntyre because Rock is annoying.

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TheRock1525 posted...

There's a reason one garners higher ratings than the other. Drew McIntyre's spikes when he won the WWE title match the entirety of AEW where's Moxley's win doesn't even come close.

Yeah, but that rating is almost entirely due to the 50+ demo who watches mostly out of habit. I'm more likely to run into people under the age of 50 who are likely more excited than most 50 year olds to watch their product and follow it.

I'd love to see Twitter trending of AEW vs Raw or Smackdown. I think that might also be a telling number concerning this.

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Eh, I'd say Miz is probably more well known than Orton. Orton doesn't really have a big outside of wrestling presence, while Miz has both the USA show and commentating one of those network Wipeout-esque shows.

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I actually wasn't sure Braun was the champ or not because I thought the Fiend beat him but I guess not? Or it wasn't for the title or something?

Granted, Orton may get a big "Is he still around?" style recognition from fans who don't watch anymore.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I think the point is that their awareness of their existence is growing rapidly, and awareness of the actual goings-on in WWE is rapidly waning

I think people are jumping the gun here because it wasn't a few weeks ago AEW lost three weeks in overall viewership to NXT. If AEW keeps growing its audience and is pulling in over a million on a routine basis I might actually agree but they're not far removed from drawing 600k, too.

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I think this might be a good question too

Do you think more people overall are aware of AEW, or TNA/Impact?
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StealThisSheen posted...

Eh, I'd say Miz is probably more well known than Orton. Orton doesn't really have a big outside of wrestling presence, while Miz has both the USA show and commentating one of those network Wipeout-esque shows.

Google trends has Orton firmly ahead of Miz.

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TheRock1525 posted...

I think people are jumping the gun here because it wasn't a few weeks ago AEW lost three weeks in overall viewership to NXT. If AEW keeps growing its audience and is pulling in over a million on a routine basis I might actually agree but they're not far removed from drawing 600k, too.

AEW is beating Raw in 12-34 demo as of this week.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I think this might be a good question too

Do you think more people overall are aware of AEW, or TNA/Impact?

TNA easily. Didn't it draw over 2 million viewers head to head with RAW? And it featured guys like Sting, Hulk Hogan, and Ric Flair as regular performers.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

AEW is beating Raw in 12-34 demo as of this week.

Last I checked, 50+ people still count in the realm of "awareness" which is what we are arguing about.

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Well, I'm talking recognition, not interest. Interest is hard to judge, and recognition isn't something Google trends is going to help you with. Like, wrestling fans are obviously going to be searching Orton more than Miz, but I'd bet money the general public is more aware of who Miz is on average.

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TheRock1525 posted...

TNA easily. Didn't it draw over 2 million viewers head to head with RAW? And it featured guys like Sting, Hulk Hogan, and Ric Flair as regular performers.

That was 10 years ago. How many of those 2 million are old people that have since died? <_<
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And to be clear what I'm trying to get across, what I mean is that I'm struggling to think of anybody in WWE that actually has name recognition outside of those that actually watch wrestling anymore. They pretty much legitimately have no stars left whatsoever, which is kinda depressing.

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I think I got your question confused. I thought we were comparing peak TNA vs. current AEW.

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StealThisSheen posted...

And to be clear what I'm trying to get across, what I mean is that I'm struggling to think of anybody in WWE that actually has name recognition outside of those that actually watch wrestling anymore. They pretty much legitimately have no stars left whatsoever, which is kinda depressing.

I mean the real answer was Becky Lynch and Ronda Rousey but one left over a year ago and the other left a few months ago.

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StealThisSheen posted...

And to be clear what I'm trying to get across, what I mean is that I'm struggling to think of anybody in WWE that actually has name recognition outside of those that actually watch wrestling anymore. They pretty much legitimately have no stars left whatsoever, which is kinda depressing.

Big Show maybe?
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TheRock1525 posted...

I think I got your question confused. I thought we were comparing peak TNA vs. current AEW.

I just meant to compare how many people in 2020 are aware that either company exists or ever existed
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TheRock1525 posted...

Last I checked, 50+ people still count in the realm of "awareness" which is what we are arguing about.

How often are you running into 50+ people in public than 12-49? I would also wager a lot more than more people tune into WWE out of habit and just to have on background noise than AEW.

The 50+ demo is high more than likely out of routine for much older people.

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Also the answer becomes Rey Mysterio as soon as he re-signs
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

How often are you running into 50+ people in public than 12-49?

About 10 to 1 where I work. >_>

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Jakyl25 posted...

Big Show maybe?

I was actually just thinking that, but I wasn't sure if he was still around.

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